Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Hi all, I'm a 3rd year TCM student and have been following the group for some time but have never posted before. Today I received a call from a friend of a friend whose 15 year old daughter has been suffering from trichotillomania (compulsively pulling out her own hair) for the last three years. Apparently this is a pretty severe case that has been quite devastating both for the young woman and the family. I referred them to the best Chinese doctor I know, but was curious if any in the group knew of a precedence for this type of condition in the context or literature of TCM? Obviously we treat based on the pattern, but is there any type of " TCM disease " that this would fall under? The mother mentioned to me that the hair pulling episodes are worse before and for the first couple days of her daughter's menstrual cycle and, just from our conversation, other qi stagnation S/S seem to be present. Does anyone in the group either have experience with these types of compulsive cases, or otherwise feel that simply treating the pattern would be enough to resolve a complex psycho-somatic disorder such as this? Thanks for the input and assistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Hi Dan, Can you tell me more about the girl. Specifically does she grind or clench her teeth? is there any specific spot in the scalp that she pulls hair out from? You mention that she is 15 years old and she has been pulling her hair out for 3 years. That would be just about the time of menarche (onset of menstruation). Can you ask her or her parents if she experienced any traumas related to her menarche? Whenever we treat a syndrome, I feel that the correct approach is to always try to determine the pathogenesis in order to get to the origin of the problem, instead of just treating a pattern, which sometimes works, but not always, or a symptom (the western way) which has even a less successful prognosis for success. Much success in your studies, Yehuda Frischman, L.Ac, CST, SER ali_dan313 <danfischer wrote: Hi all, I'm a 3rd year TCM student and have been following the group for some time but have never posted before. Today I received a call from a friend of a friend whose 15 year old daughter has been suffering from trichotillomania (compulsively pulling out her own hair) for the last three years. Apparently this is a pretty severe case that has been quite devastating both for the young woman and the family. I referred them to the best Chinese doctor I know, but was curious if any in the group knew of a precedence for this type of condition in the context or literature of TCM? Obviously we treat based on the pattern, but is there any type of " TCM disease " that this would fall under? The mother mentioned to me that the hair pulling episodes are worse before and for the first couple days of her daughter's menstrual cycle and, just from our conversation, other qi stagnation S/S seem to be present. Does anyone in the group either have experience with these types of compulsive cases, or otherwise feel that simply treating the pattern would be enough to resolve a complex psycho-somatic disorder such as this? Thanks for the input and assistance. Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel and lay it on us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 yehuda asks some insightful questions to which the answers would be quite helpful in determining dx of this conditions. if i'm not mistaken, bob flaws tcm psych disorders book discusses obsessive behavior that might be useful. in addition to reg chong and ren due to the menstrual connection (reg yin/xue: anxiety during mense due to disreg of chong/ren), since liv qi stag is part of the pattern, you might consider chai hu long gu mu li tang to anchor the shen (anxiety) and address the liver system disorder. maybe combine in with xiao yao wan (dan zhi with heat signs). well, that's my 2 cents, hope it's helpful. kb On 8/14/07, wrote: > > Hi Dan, > > Can you tell me more about the girl. Specifically does she grind or clench > her teeth? is there any specific spot in the scalp that she pulls hair out > from? You mention that she is 15 years old and she has been pulling her hair > out for 3 years. That would be just about the time of menarche (onset of > menstruation). Can you ask her or her parents if she experienced any traumas > related to her menarche? > > Whenever we treat a syndrome, I feel that the correct approach is to > always try to determine the pathogenesis in order to get to the origin of > the problem, instead of just treating a pattern, which sometimes works, but > not always, or a symptom (the western way) which has even a less successful > prognosis for success. > > Much success in your studies, > > Yehuda Frischman, L.Ac, CST, SER > > > > ali_dan313 <danfischer <danfischer%40gmail.com>> wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm a 3rd year TCM student and have been following the group for some > time but have never posted before. > > Today I received a call from a friend of a friend whose 15 year old > daughter has been suffering from trichotillomania (compulsively > pulling out her own hair) for the last three years. Apparently this > is a pretty severe case that has been quite devastating both for the > young woman and the family. > > I referred them to the best Chinese doctor I know, but was curious if > any in the group knew of a precedence for this type of condition in > the context or literature of TCM? Obviously we treat based on the > pattern, but is there any type of " TCM disease " that this would fall > under? The mother mentioned to me that the hair pulling episodes are > worse before and for the first couple days of her daughter's > menstrual cycle and, just from our conversation, other qi stagnation > S/S seem to be present. > > Does anyone in the group either have experience with these types of > compulsive cases, or otherwise feel that simply treating the pattern > would be enough to resolve a complex psycho-somatic disorder such as > this? > > Thanks for the input and assistance. > > > > > > > > > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user > panel and lay it on us. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Oh gosh. Trichotillomania. How obscenely stupid. I wonder if this syndrome is further differentiated based on whether it is the left or right hand that's doing the pulling, or if there is a naming convention that takes into account how many strands of hair are in each fistful, and how many, thereof, are dyed, split-ended or glossy? There is one good thing about this obsessive compulsion to give long, stupid names to diseases, and that is that the name for fear of long names is Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia. Anyway, on to something useful, I hope: Apart from being all technically technicacious about our patients, we shouldn't forget to be human. While we must be very careful to mind our manners, ethics, scope of practice and personal limitations, be not afraid to be human. If someone is pulling their hair out, ask yourself, what in god's dreaming heaven would cause ME to pull out my mane. Start from there, and you may find a way to delicately tease out (part, just enough) of a painful story to inform your pattern diagnosis, and perhaps give the girl and her family a better result than something who blindly, meaninglessly tries to treat for liver qi, or phlegm misting the heart. I agree with Yehuda. In a case like this, it might be most important to find out what started it. I just had a patient in the other week with bad chest pain who responded not at all to western medicine, a very competent naturopath or a very heartfelt osteopath, and yet responded in my clinic (with a 100% reduction in pain after 20 minutes), in my humble opinion, because I asked her what was going on when this started (thirty years ago when she was 17). And when she said nothing, I gently said, " something " . And eventually she " mentioned " , by the by, that her boyfriend, when she was 16, had tried to kill her. I gently, over the course of our conversation, explained about some possible connections, placed some needles in her, and she seemed to relax, cry, and begin a new stage in her life. Not my credit, I credit it to being human, and trying to keep the old sages in mind. Hugo I'm a 3rd year TCM student and have been following the group for some time but have never posted before. Today I received a call from a friend of a friend whose 15 year old daughter has been suffering from trichotillomania (compulsively pulling out her own hair) for the last three years. Apparently this Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely necessary. Change settings via the Web ( ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un Recent Activity 6 New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 hugo: thanks for sharing your insights and case hist. a gifted practitioner, you truly are. i had a similar reaction to Trichotillomania, and the western medical obsession to give obscenely long, pretentiously and unnecessarily complicated names to straight forward conditions. Trichotillomania tx (who knew?): *Trichotillomania Therapy* Experienced Therapists Available Change Your Life Today-Call Now! www.CBTSoCal.com *Wigs for Trichotillomania*<http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/iclk?sa=l & ai=Bjcbd\ //www.headcovers.com> Wigs, Eyebrows, Lashes, Hats, Caps. Cosmetic solutions for trich. www.headcovers.com kb On 8/14/07, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: > > Oh gosh. Trichotillomania. How obscenely stupid. I wonder if this > syndrome is further differentiated based on whether it is the left or right > hand that's doing the pulling, or if there is a naming convention that takes > into account how many strands of hair are in each fistful, and how many, > thereof, are dyed, split-ended or glossy? > > There is one good thing about this obsessive compulsion to give long, > stupid names to diseases, and that is that the name for fear of long names > is Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia. > > Anyway, on to something useful, I hope: > > Apart from being all technically technicacious about our patients, we > shouldn't forget to be human. While we must be very careful to mind our > manners, ethics, scope of practice and personal limitations, be not afraid > to be human. If someone is pulling their hair out, ask yourself, what in > god's dreaming heaven would cause ME to pull out my mane. Start from there, > and you may find a way to delicately tease out (part, just enough) of a > painful story to inform your pattern diagnosis, and perhaps give the girl > and her family a better result than something who blindly, meaninglessly > tries to treat for liver qi, or phlegm misting the heart. > > I agree with Yehuda. In a case like this, it might be most important to > find out what started it. I just had a patient in the other week with bad > chest pain who responded not at all to western medicine, a very competent > naturopath or a very heartfelt osteopath, and yet responded in my clinic > (with a 100% reduction in pain after 20 minutes), in my humble opinion, > because I asked her what was going on when this started (thirty years ago > when she was 17). And when she said nothing, I gently said, " something " . And > eventually she " mentioned " , by the by, that her boyfriend, when she was 16, > had tried to kill her. I gently, over the course of our conversation, > explained about some possible connections, placed some needles in her, and > she seemed to relax, cry, and begin a new stage in her life. Not my credit, > I credit it to being human, and trying to keep the old sages in mind. > > Hugo > > > > I'm a 3rd year TCM student and have been following the group for some > > time but have never posted before. > > Today I received a call from a friend of a friend whose 15 year old > > daughter has been suffering from trichotillomania (compulsively > > pulling out her own hair) for the last three years. Apparently this > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely > necessary. > > Change settings via the Web ( ID required) > > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format > to Traditional > > Visit Your Group > | > > Terms of Use | > > Un > > > > > > Recent Activity > > 6 > > New Members > > Visit Your Group > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Why Hugo, you are sounding very Worsleyesque in your treatment style. Bravo, Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- Hugo Ramiro <subincor > Oh gosh. Trichotillomania. How obscenely stupid. I wonder if this syndrome is > further differentiated based on whether it is the left or right hand that's > doing the pulling, or if there is a naming convention that takes into account > how many strands of hair are in each fistful, and how many, thereof, are dyed, > split-ended or glossy? > > There is one good thing about this obsessive compulsion to give long, stupid > names to diseases, and that is that the name for fear of long names is > Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia. > > > Anyway, on to something useful, I hope: > > Apart from being all technically technicacious about our patients, we shouldn't > forget to be human. While we must be very careful to mind our manners, ethics, > scope of practice and personal limitations, be not afraid to be human. If > someone is pulling their hair out, ask yourself, what in god's dreaming heaven > would cause ME to pull out my mane. Start from there, and you may find a way to > delicately tease out (part, just enough) of a painful story to inform your > pattern diagnosis, and perhaps give the girl and her family a better result than > something who blindly, meaninglessly tries to treat for liver qi, or phlegm > misting the heart. > > I agree with Yehuda. In a case like this, it might be most important to find > out what started it. I just had a patient in the other week with bad chest pain > who responded not at all to western medicine, a very competent naturopath or a > very heartfelt osteopath, and yet responded in my clinic (with a 100% reduction > in pain after 20 minutes), in my humble opinion, because I asked her what was > going on when this started (thirty years ago when she was 17). And when she said > nothing, I gently said, " something " . And eventually she " mentioned " , by the by, > that her boyfriend, when she was 16, had tried to kill her. I gently, over the > course of our conversation, explained about some possible connections, placed > some needles in her, and she seemed to relax, cry, and begin a new stage in her > life. Not my credit, I credit it to being human, and trying to keep the old > sages in mind. > > Hugo > > > > > > > I'm a 3rd year TCM student and have been following the group for some > > time but have never posted before. > > > > Today I received a call from a friend of a friend whose 15 year old > > daughter has been suffering from trichotillomania (compulsively > > pulling out her own hair) for the last three years. Apparently this > Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely > necessary. > > > > > Change settings via the Web ( ID required) > > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format > to Traditional > > > > Visit Your Group > | > > Terms of Use | > > Un > > > > > > > Recent Activity > > > > 6 > > New Members > > > > Visit Your Group > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 This is not an easy case but seems interesting. With the girl at this age , 15, I think we should look at all angles. It is best to ask the patient directly in person, preferably private. Is she frustrating, angry , or does she feel something shameful ? The TCM should ask the care-taker to observe her face, reaction and emotion when she pulls her hairs and should pay atttention when she is relax at best, when she feels angry - with the present of someone? If she still feels angry when she pulls her hairs, I think she needs some attentions and cares - something seriously happened , mentally or physically. If she is physically abused, some special cares must be addressed beside acupuncture and or medication. If she feels good when she pulls her hair, then maybe infection or neuropathy , something physical. This may relate to diet ( polluted water, food ... ) or some chemicals ( drugs, or medication ... ) All things are considered. But if this is my case, I first try to eliminate physical abuse first, then look into physcial ( symptoms ). Pulling hairs ??? Is that from anger ( Liv Qi stagnation ) ? If this is then when is the worst case , at night, day, morning or with someone near her? Does she talk of nonsense to us ( angrily ) ? How about menstruation ? Is she taking any medication ? Using any contraceptive devices or medication? Did she get pregnant and did abort then she feel guilty ??? If just Liv Qi stagn, then what about digestion, chest disomfort, abdominal discomfort, chest pain ???... wiry or slippery pulses? Of course, if this exists in pattern , we have all kinds of formulars that could help her...... But find out exactly what happen first..... IF THIS CAN HELP...........PLEASE DO NOT OVERLOOK THE PHYSICAL ABUSE. GOOD LUCK !!! Nam Nguyen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 I had a friend, as an adolescent and late teens, who had this (trichotillomania). At the time I didn't realize what this was but as I grew older I realized how bad it was. She would pull out handfulls of her own hair whenever she got angry or had any kind of intense feelings. I know that she came from a very abusive family life. Her parents were both alchoholics/drug addicts that fought all the time and as a result she was usually awaken and beaten by her dad. I know from spending the night at her house that this happened frequently because she seemed to think it was normal. No one has a perfect childhood but even my parents steered me away from her. When we were about 15-16 she was pulling her hair out and trying to hide it by wearing hats. I stayed in touch with her until we were in our early 20's and she was still pulling her hair out and trying to cover it up. By that time she was doing to the extreme that she had scabbs on her head. What was weird about it was that she was modeling. She was very beautiful and naturally tall and thin with a beautiful face but I know she struggled with trichotillomania but didn't know it. She started keeping her head shaved and that's the last I saw her. I hope this helps in some way. I think if my friend could've gotten help at an early age it would've kept her from developing so many other addictions. Jamie - ali_dan313 Chinese Medicine Monday, August 13, 2007 11:44 PM compulsive hair pulling Hi all, I'm a 3rd year TCM student and have been following the group for some time but have never posted before. Today I received a call from a friend of a friend whose 15 year old daughter has been suffering from trichotillomania (compulsively pulling out her own hair) for the last three years. Apparently this is a pretty severe case that has been quite devastating both for the young woman and the family. I referred them to the best Chinese doctor I know, but was curious if any in the group knew of a precedence for this type of condition in the context or literature of TCM? Obviously we treat based on the pattern, but is there any type of " TCM disease " that this would fall under? The mother mentioned to me that the hair pulling episodes are worse before and for the first couple days of her daughter's menstrual cycle and, just from our conversation, other qi stagnation S/S seem to be present. Does anyone in the group either have experience with these types of compulsive cases, or otherwise feel that simply treating the pattern would be enough to resolve a complex psycho-somatic disorder such as this? Thanks for the input and assistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 You're getting really good feedback. I've never treated this but if I were treating it I'd look at doing scalp acupuncture along with extraordinary meridians. Maybe using some ion cords. I'd be curious to also feel the pulses and see the tounge. Is this girl thin and wiry by chance? Thanks, JW - Chinese Medicine Tuesday, August 14, 2007 7:52 PM Re: compulsive hair pulling hugo: thanks for sharing your insights and case hist. a gifted practitioner, you truly are. i had a similar reaction to Trichotillomania, and the western medical obsession to give obscenely long, pretentiously and unnecessarily complicated names to straight forward conditions. Trichotillomania tx (who knew?): *Trichotillomania Therapy Experienced Therapists Available Change Your Life Today-Call Now! www.CBTSoCal.com *Wigs for Trichotillomania* Wigs, Eyebrows, Lashes, Hats, Caps. Cosmetic solutions for trich. www.headcovers.com kb On 8/14/07, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: > > Oh gosh. Trichotillomania. How obscenely stupid. I wonder if this > syndrome is further differentiated based on whether it is the left or right > hand that's doing the pulling, or if there is a naming convention that takes > into account how many strands of hair are in each fistful, and how many, > thereof, are dyed, split-ended or glossy? > > There is one good thing about this obsessive compulsion to give long, > stupid names to diseases, and that is that the name for fear of long names > is Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia. > > Anyway, on to something useful, I hope: > > Apart from being all technically technicacious about our patients, we > shouldn't forget to be human. While we must be very careful to mind our > manners, ethics, scope of practice and personal limitations, be not afraid > to be human. If someone is pulling their hair out, ask yourself, what in > god's dreaming heaven would cause ME to pull out my mane. Start from there, > and you may find a way to delicately tease out (part, just enough) of a > painful story to inform your pattern diagnosis, and perhaps give the girl > and her family a better result than something who blindly, meaninglessly > tries to treat for liver qi, or phlegm misting the heart. > > I agree with Yehuda. In a case like this, it might be most important to > find out what started it. I just had a patient in the other week with bad > chest pain who responded not at all to western medicine, a very competent > naturopath or a very heartfelt osteopath, and yet responded in my clinic > (with a 100% reduction in pain after 20 minutes), in my humble opinion, > because I asked her what was going on when this started (thirty years ago > when she was 17). And when she said nothing, I gently said, " something " . And > eventually she " mentioned " , by the by, that her boyfriend, when she was 16, > had tried to kill her. I gently, over the course of our conversation, > explained about some possible connections, placed some needles in her, and > she seemed to relax, cry, and begin a new stage in her life. Not my credit, > I credit it to being human, and trying to keep the old sages in mind. > > Hugo > > > > I'm a 3rd year TCM student and have been following the group for some > > time but have never posted before. > > Today I received a call from a friend of a friend whose 15 year old > > daughter has been suffering from trichotillomania (compulsively > > pulling out her own hair) for the last three years. Apparently this > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely > necessary. > > Change settings via the Web ( ID required) > > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format > to Traditional > > Visit Your Group > | > > Terms of Use | > > Un > > > > > > Recent Activity > > 6 > > New Members > > Visit Your Group > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Dear Jamie, Eventhough this is in the past, but the pictures of physical damaged still appears in her mind off and on. I think this girl would need some true care and love, someone who cares about her look, characters, attitudes. Something that is very positive. We may eliminate all negative inputs to help her to go on with her life. She does not have to follow the failures. She needs comforts and encouragenments and probably she must stay with her non-alcoholic relatives. With special cares and atttentions now may erase the past images. Ask her to look forward, a long way ahead is waiting. Do not look back for something which offers no help. We may tell her that she is very special which her parents, the alcoholics , do not recognize it. We may look into what makes her especial and what makes her proud and we may help her develop and encourage her to focus on that. With our love and cares we may explain to her pulling hairs does not solve any problem, but find out an interesting way and enjoy that. Tell her that her parents messed up does not mean she has to suffer, but she must stand up and prove to them she can do all beautiful things which her parents should learn from her and correct themselves. WHEN WE ARE IN CHARGE IN THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, PLEASE BE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE THEM WITH SPECIAL CARE AND ATTTENTION - THE LOVE A PERSON NEED. Someone that he / she can trust and talk to. SPECIAL ATTENTIONS : ALCOHOLIC ADDICTION can be cured by megadose of vitamin ( 2000mg - 4000mg / day ) with vitamin E ( 400 IU ). Add acupuncture therapy ( tonify and Regulate Qi ) for extra profit. This may help some other cases, I wish I wish you all luck !!! Nam Nguyen Chinese Medicine , " Whartenby! " <jwhartenby wrote: > > I had a friend, as an adolescent and late teens, who had this (trichotillomania). At the time I didn't realize what this was but as I grew older I realized how bad it was. > > She would pull out handfulls of her own hair whenever she got angry or had any kind of intense feelings. I know that she came from a very abusive family life. Her parents were both alchoholics/drug addicts that fought all the time and as a result she was usually awaken and beaten by her dad. I know from spending the night at her house that this happened frequently because she seemed to think it was normal. No one has a perfect childhood but even my parents steered me away from her. When we were about 15-16 she was pulling her hair out and trying to hide it by wearing hats. I stayed in touch with her until we were in our early 20's and she was still pulling her hair out and trying to cover it up. By that time she was doing to the extreme that she had scabbs on her head. What was weird about it was that she was modeling. She was very beautiful and naturally tall and thin with a beautiful face but I know she struggled with trichotillomania but didn't know it. She started keeping her head shaved and that's the last I saw her. > > I hope this helps in some way. I think if my friend could've gotten help at an early age it would've kept her from developing so many other addictions. > > Jamie > > - > ali_dan313 > Chinese Medicine > Monday, August 13, 2007 11:44 PM > compulsive hair pulling > > > Hi all, > > I'm a 3rd year TCM student and have been following the group for some > time but have never posted before. > > Today I received a call from a friend of a friend whose 15 year old > daughter has been suffering from trichotillomania (compulsively > pulling out her own hair) for the last three years. Apparently this > is a pretty severe case that has been quite devastating both for the > young woman and the family. > > I referred them to the best Chinese doctor I know, but was curious if > any in the group knew of a precedence for this type of condition in > the context or literature of TCM? Obviously we treat based on the > pattern, but is there any type of " TCM disease " that this would fall > under? The mother mentioned to me that the hair pulling episodes are > worse before and for the first couple days of her daughter's > menstrual cycle and, just from our conversation, other qi stagnation > S/S seem to be present. > > Does anyone in the group either have experience with these types of > compulsive cases, or otherwise feel that simply treating the pattern > would be enough to resolve a complex psycho-somatic disorder such as > this? > > Thanks for the input and assistance. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Dear Nam, With all due respect, emotional problems are never going to be " cured " unless specific precipitating events such as traumas are released and resolved. People are not machines that respond to special fuel additives! Yehuda dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58 wrote: SPECIAL ATTENTIONS : ALCOHOLIC ADDICTION can be cured by megadose of vitamin ( 2000mg - 4000mg / day ) with vitamin E ( 400 IU ). Add acupuncture therapy ( tonify and Regulate Qi ) for extra profit. Recent Activity 5 New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Dear Yehuda, You are absolutely right about the emotional problems are never being cured. However, if we direct a patient and help her / him look into another way and create a different positive lifestyle for herself or himself, not looking back into the past of negative I consider that is a stage of healing or curing. In medicine approach, there is no cure for anything. But if MDs said it is cured, then there is a cure. To me, a cure is a recovery and if the emotional problem is reinstated and a normal lifestyle is produced, that is a cured. However, the physical damaged is of course there in the mind, but the healthy mind rejects and refuses that those images and events are there, you are cured and free. PLEASE HELP ME IF I AM WRONG! Nam Nguyen Chinese Medicine , yehuda frischman < wrote: > > Dear Nam, > > With all due respect, emotional problems are never going to be " cured " unless specific precipitating events such as traumas are released and resolved. People are not machines that respond to special fuel additives! > > Yehuda > > dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58 wrote: > > > SPECIAL ATTENTIONS : ALCOHOLIC ADDICTION can be cured by megadose > of vitamin ( 2000mg - 4000mg / day ) with vitamin E ( 400 IU ). Add > acupuncture therapy ( tonify and Regulate Qi ) for extra profit. > > > > > Recent Activity > > 5 > New Members > > Visit Your Group > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Megadose of which vitamin? B Complex or a specific B? Mary Chamberlain ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Oh ! For those who are interesting in treatment of high BP, cardiovascular disease and some arthritis. Megadose of vitamin C ( 3000mg - 5000mg / day ) and vitamin E only 400IU. This formula is not for pulling hair. The best is Rosehip ( 1000mg / pill ) but it is the most expensive kind of vitamin C. Dang Gui contains vitamin C & E. Other kinds of ascorbic or synthetic vitamin C, I stay away from them. I have used this formula for infertility and it worked. Always add Qi or Yang tonic for extra $$$.. and besides it does not mean that we have to rely only on ( western medicine or vitamins ). We look more pro!!! as from the MDs' view. I used the above formula for arthritis and some with high BP. Their family doctor was amazed, but those MDs are in my office. Do not expect this is a quick-fix. A quick-fix must be combined with TCM herbal formula. Vitamin C is a water soluble vitamin. It goes out in urine and won't be excess. There are cases which dosages are very high up to 15,000mg. But I have not done this. For those who are sensitive to vitamin C because of its ascorbic acid. Please advise them to take it after food and drink a lot of water. This should not be taken on empty stomach because it will burn the stomach lining and causes ulcers!!! WATCH OUT !!! High dosage can be seen as first diarrhea. If reduces or stops, there is no harm. If too high dosages are taking for so long it may produce kidney stones because it absorbs calcium in the body too much more than our body can use. Vitamin C will help us to absorb calcium better. For those who have osetoporosis and are taking calcium. This is a plus and the healing will be accelerated. GOOD FOR ARTHRITIS AND OSTEOARTHRITIS ! But calcium must be added. If Calcium intake is too high , we may experience palpitation, tired, excited , insomnia , rapid heart rates. Vitamin C should be added. Vitamin E is good for heart, but it is fat soluble. High dosage will cause trouble in Liver. 400 IU is the limit. As I have used and observed this formular. This is equivalent to our TCM formula " BA ZHEN WAN " or we may name it as " SHI SHUAN DAI BU WAN " . But I do not know if the TCM' s formulas here will help the above cases. PLEASE DO NOT QUOTE ME FOR A TREATMENT OF PULLING HAIR. Even though calcium deficiency can cause neuropathy, nerve weakness or damaged. I have no experience in this case. We have to find out whether it is from physical abuse or from diet or any medication or chemical related. ENJOY FRIENDS ! GOOD LUCK !!! Nam Nguyen Chinese Medicine , acumary wrote: > > Megadose of which vitamin? B Complex or a specific B? > Mary Chamberlain > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 I haven't seen this person in about 20 yrs. I hope she does well and the strange thing about her hair pulling was that she didn't realize that she was doing it at the time. It was only afterward that she realized what she'd done to herself. I appreciate your kind feedback and hope that it helps someone/anyone who read it. I definately value the advice about the vitamins for alchoholism. Jamei Chinese Medicine , " dr_namnguyen58 " <dr_namnguyen58 wrote: > > Dear Jamie, > Eventhough this is in the past, but the pictures of physical > damaged still appears in her mind off and on. I think this girl would > need some true care and love, someone who cares about her look, > characters, attitudes. Something that is very positive. We may > eliminate all negative inputs to help her to go on with her life. She > does not have to follow the failures. She needs comforts and > encouragenments and probably she must stay with her non-alcoholic > relatives. > With special cares and atttentions now may erase the past images. > Ask her to look forward, a long way ahead is waiting. Do not look back > for something which offers no help. We may tell her that she is very > special which her parents, the alcoholics , do not recognize it. We > may look into what makes her especial and what makes her proud and we > may help her develop and encourage her to focus on that. > With our love and cares we may explain to her pulling hairs does > not solve any problem, but find out an interesting way and enjoy that. > Tell her that her parents messed up does not mean she has to suffer, > but she must stand up and prove to them she can do all beautiful > things which her parents should learn from her and correct themselves. > > WHEN WE ARE IN CHARGE IN THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, PLEASE BE SURE THAT > WE PROVIDE THEM WITH SPECIAL CARE AND ATTTENTION - THE LOVE A PERSON > NEED. Someone that he / she can trust and talk to. > > SPECIAL ATTENTIONS : ALCOHOLIC ADDICTION can be cured by megadose > of vitamin ( 2000mg - 4000mg / day ) with vitamin E ( 400 IU ). Add > acupuncture therapy ( tonify and Regulate Qi ) for extra profit. > > > This may help some other cases, I wish > > I wish you all luck !!! > > Nam Nguyen > Chinese Medicine , " Whartenby! " > <jwhartenby@> wrote: > > > > I had a friend, as an adolescent and late teens, who had this > (trichotillomania). At the time I didn't realize what this was but as > I grew older I realized how bad it was. > > > > She would pull out handfulls of her own hair whenever she got angry > or had any kind of intense feelings. I know that she came from a very > abusive family life. Her parents were both alchoholics/drug addicts > that fought all the time and as a result she was usually awaken and > beaten by her dad. I know from spending the night at her house that > this happened frequently because she seemed to think it was normal. > No one has a perfect childhood but even my parents steered me away > from her. When we were about 15-16 she was pulling her hair out and > trying to hide it by wearing hats. I stayed in touch with her until > we were in our early 20's and she was still pulling her hair out and > trying to cover it up. By that time she was doing to the extreme that > she had scabbs on her head. What was weird about it was that she was > modeling. She was very beautiful and naturally tall and thin with a > beautiful face but I know she struggled with trichotillomania but > didn't know it. She started keeping her head shaved and that's the > last I saw her. > > > > I hope this helps in some way. I think if my friend could've gotten > help at an early age it would've kept her from developing so many > other addictions. > > > > Jamie > > > > - > > ali_dan313 > > Chinese Medicine > > Monday, August 13, 2007 11:44 PM > > compulsive hair pulling > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm a 3rd year TCM student and have been following the group for some > > time but have never posted before. > > > > Today I received a call from a friend of a friend whose 15 year old > > daughter has been suffering from trichotillomania (compulsively > > pulling out her own hair) for the last three years. Apparently this > > is a pretty severe case that has been quite devastating both for the > > young woman and the family. > > > > I referred them to the best Chinese doctor I know, but was curious if > > any in the group knew of a precedence for this type of condition in > > the context or literature of TCM? Obviously we treat based on the > > pattern, but is there any type of " TCM disease " that this would fall > > under? The mother mentioned to me that the hair pulling episodes are > > worse before and for the first couple days of her daughter's > > menstrual cycle and, just from our conversation, other qi stagnation > > S/S seem to be present. > > > > Does anyone in the group either have experience with these types of > > compulsive cases, or otherwise feel that simply treating the pattern > > would be enough to resolve a complex psycho-somatic disorder such as > > this? > > > > Thanks for the input and assistance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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