Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Andrea Beth, You are not correct. In California we may NOT call ourselves " physicians " as per this blurb from the California acupuncture board's site: " In addition, according to section 1399.456 of the Acupuncture Regulations, anyone using the title Oriental Medical Doctor or Doctor Oriental Medicine must have obtained the doctorate degree from a school or college that was approved by the California Department of Education at the time of issuance. Please be advised also, that in the State of California, it is improper to use any title that makes reference to a medical doctor, such as M.D. (China) or C.M.D. (Chinese Medical Doctor), or otherwise. Only those individuals licensed as a physician and surgeon, M.D. (medical doctor), by the State of California may use such initials. " Though it is not explicitly prohibited as is the case in using the letters MD or CMD, still the board interprets the terms physician or surgeon to refer to MDs and only someone licensed as such may use the term. At least for now..... Yehuda < wrote: Richard and all, In California, we are prohibited from calling ourselves " doctors " , but we may call ourselves " physicians " ; in Arizona we may not use either of these terms in describing ourselves. Unless, of course, we have a doctorate (Ph.D.) degree. The " free speech " issue you use is not equally applicable in every state, especially when our licensing statutes specify what we may and may not call ourselves. This is separate from whether or we are not considered " primary care providers " . I wish it was that simple! In a state where one is a primary healthcare provider and they have fulfilled the educational requirements of those relevant statutes (whatever they may be)......they don't need to hold a doctorate degree. Their function is a doctor and according to commercial free speech in this country (at least for now) as long as the speech is truthful and not meant to be misleading, what you are practicing is lawful in accordance with your state law.....that's ALL you need to do to call yourself DOCTOR. (Not meant as legal advice). That battle is over unless of course we lose more of our US Constitutional Rights. Richard In a message dated 08/12/07 2:50:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, naturaldoc1 writes: Richard, I agree with much of what you are saying but still disagree with your last item about doctor and our education. Very few of us have a doctorate degree especially in TCM/OM. Our degree is most likely a master's and and lacking any regional accreditation at that. We also do hold ourselves out to the public as a matter of public record, licensing and advertising. Do you mean to tell me that you do not call or advertise yourself as a doctor or an Acupuncture Physician? That would seem to be opposite of your response. Continuity is the key to a lot and makes patient understanding easier as well. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Hi all Yi Shi's Give my regards to Gov. Schwatzeneggar. Remember he was type set in the movies as The Terminator! Richard n a message dated 08/13/07 5:45:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, writes: You are right, and primary care physicians at that, if we so choose. BUT, that is only with worker's comp, and therefore, it is my impression that we are not allowed to advertise ourselves as physician, according to state law. Yehuda Frischman, L.Ac, CST, SER, Yi Shi? www.traditionaljewiwww.traditiwww Robert Chu <_chusauli_ (chusauli) > wrote: According to California Worker's compensation law, we are recognized as " Physicians " " Physicians " <WBR> " Doctor " also just means " Teacher " so those of us who teach can be affectionately called that. My opinion is that we should correctly be called " Yi Shi " . (Skilled at Medicine) Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME, PhD _chusauli_ (chusauli) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 According to California Worker's compensation law, we are recognized as " Physicians " , hence " Doctor " . " Doctor " also just means " Teacher " so those of us who teach can be affectionately called that. My opinion is that we should correctly be called " Yi Shi " . (Skilled at Medicine) Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME, PhD chusauli www.chusaulei.com > >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine > The term " Physician " in California >Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:32:20 -0700 (PDT) > >Andrea Beth, > > You are not correct. In California we may NOT call ourselves > " physicians " as per this blurb from the California acupuncture board's >site: > > " In addition, according to section 1399.456 of the Acupuncture >Regulations, anyone using the title Oriental Medical Doctor or Doctor >Oriental Medicine must have obtained the doctorate degree from a school or >college that was approved by the California Department of Education at the >time of issuance. > Please be advised also, that in the State of California, it is improper >to use any title that makes reference to a medical doctor, such as M.D. >(China) or C.M.D. (Chinese Medical Doctor), or otherwise. Only those >individuals licensed as a physician and surgeon, M.D. (medical doctor), by >the State of California may use such initials. " > > Though it is not explicitly prohibited as is the case in using the >letters MD or CMD, still the board interprets the terms physician or >surgeon to refer to MDs and only someone licensed as such may use the term. > > At least for now..... > > Yehuda > < wrote: > Richard and all, > >In California, we are prohibited from calling ourselves " doctors " , but we >may call ourselves " physicians " ; in Arizona we may not use either of these >terms in describing ourselves. Unless, of course, we have a doctorate >(Ph.D.) degree. The " free speech " issue you use is not equally applicable >in every state, especially when our licensing statutes specify what we may >and may not call ourselves. This is separate from whether or we are not >considered " primary care providers " . I wish it was that simple! > > > >In a state where one is a primary healthcare provider and they have >fulfilled the educational requirements of those relevant statutes (whatever >they may >be)......they don't need to hold a doctorate degree. Their function is a >doctor and according to commercial free speech in this country (at least >for now) >as long as the speech is truthful and not meant to be misleading, what you >are practicing is lawful in accordance with your state law.....that's ALL >you >need to do to call yourself DOCTOR. (Not meant as legal advice). > >That battle is over unless of course we lose more of our US Constitutional >Rights. > >Richard > > > > > > > > > >In a message dated 08/12/07 2:50:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >naturaldoc1 writes: > >Richard, > >I agree with much of what you are saying but still disagree with your last >item >about doctor and our education. Very few of us have a doctorate degree >especially >in TCM/OM. > >Our degree is most likely a master's and and lacking any regional >accreditation >at that. We also do hold ourselves out to the public as a matter of public >record, licensing >and advertising. > >Do you mean to tell me that you do not call or advertise yourself as a >doctor >or an Acupuncture Physician? That would seem to be opposite of your >response. > >Continuity is the key to a lot and makes patient understanding easier as >well. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > >************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL >at >http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 You are right, and primary care physicians at that, if we so choose. BUT, that is only with worker's comp, and therefore, it is my impression that we are not allowed to advertise ourselves as physician, according to state law. Yehuda Frischman, L.Ac, CST, SER, Yi Shi? Robert Chu <chusauli wrote: According to California Worker's compensation law, we are recognized as " Physicians " , hence " Doctor " . " Doctor " also just means " Teacher " so those of us who teach can be affectionately called that. My opinion is that we should correctly be called " Yi Shi " . (Skilled at Medicine) Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME, PhD chusauli www.chusaulei.com > >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >The term " Physician " in California >Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:32:20 -0700 (PDT) > >Andrea Beth, > > You are not correct. In California we may NOT call ourselves > " physicians " as per this blurb from the California acupuncture board's >site: > > " In addition, according to section 1399.456 of the Acupuncture >Regulations, anyone using the title Oriental Medical Doctor or Doctor >Oriental Medicine must have obtained the doctorate degree from a school or >college that was approved by the California Department of Education at the >time of issuance. > Please be advised also, that in the State of California, it is improper >to use any title that makes reference to a medical doctor, such as M.D. >(China) or C.M.D. (Chinese Medical Doctor), or otherwise. Only those >individuals licensed as a physician and surgeon, M.D. (medical doctor), by >the State of California may use such initials. " > > Though it is not explicitly prohibited as is the case in using the >letters MD or CMD, still the board interprets the terms physician or >surgeon to refer to MDs and only someone licensed as such may use the term. > > At least for now..... > > Yehuda > < wrote: > Richard and all, > >In California, we are prohibited from calling ourselves " doctors " , but we >may call ourselves " physicians " ; in Arizona we may not use either of these >terms in describing ourselves. Unless, of course, we have a doctorate >(Ph.D.) degree. The " free speech " issue you use is not equally applicable >in every state, especially when our licensing statutes specify what we may >and may not call ourselves. This is separate from whether or we are not >considered " primary care providers " . I wish it was that simple! > > > >In a state where one is a primary healthcare provider and they have >fulfilled the educational requirements of those relevant statutes (whatever >they may >be)......they don't need to hold a doctorate degree. Their function is a >doctor and according to commercial free speech in this country (at least >for now) >as long as the speech is truthful and not meant to be misleading, what you >are practicing is lawful in accordance with your state law.....that's ALL >you >need to do to call yourself DOCTOR. (Not meant as legal advice). > >That battle is over unless of course we lose more of our US Constitutional >Rights. > >Richard > > > > > > > > > >In a message dated 08/12/07 2:50:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >naturaldoc1 writes: > >Richard, > >I agree with much of what you are saying but still disagree with your last >item >about doctor and our education. Very few of us have a doctorate degree >especially >in TCM/OM. > >Our degree is most likely a master's and and lacking any regional >accreditation >at that. We also do hold ourselves out to the public as a matter of public >record, licensing >and advertising. > >Do you mean to tell me that you do not call or advertise yourself as a >doctor >or an Acupuncture Physician? That would seem to be opposite of your >response. > >Continuity is the key to a lot and makes patient understanding easier as >well. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > >************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL >at >http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Yehuda, I agree with your take on the CA designation. I understand what others say about generalities of practice, patient refers to you as a doctor, but we cannot self-promote our education as doctor. Once you do then the state board will come looking for you. We seem to misunderstand that these are two separate issues. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac : : Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:43:19 -0700RE: The term " Physician " in California You are right, and primary care physicians at that, if we so choose. BUT, that is only with worker's comp, and therefore, it is my impression that we are not allowed to advertise ourselves as physician, according to state law.Yehuda Frischman, L.Ac, CST, SER, Yi Shi?Robert Chu <chusauli wrote:According to California Worker's compensation law, we are recognized as " Physicians " , hence " Doctor " . " Doctor " also just means " Teacher " so those of us who teach can be affectionately called that.My opinion is that we should correctly be called " Yi Shi " . (Skilled at Medicine)Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME, PhDchusauliyehuda frischman <>Chinese Medicine >To: Chinese Medicine >The term " Physician " in California>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:32:20 -0700 (PDT)>>Andrea Beth,>> You are not correct. In California we may NOT call ourselves > " physicians " as per this blurb from the California acupuncture board's >site:>> " In addition, according to section 1399.456 of the Acupuncture >Regulations, anyone using the title Oriental Medical Doctor or Doctor >Oriental Medicine must have obtained the doctorate degree from a school or >college that was approved by the California Department of Education at the >time of issuance.> Please be advised also, that in the State of California, it is improper >to use any title that makes reference to a medical doctor, such as M.D. >(China) or C.M.D. (Chinese Medical Doctor), or otherwise. Only those >individuals licensed as a physician and surgeon, M.D. (medical doctor), by >the State of California may use such initials. " >> Though it is not explicitly prohibited as is the case in using the >letters MD or CMD, still the board interprets the terms physician or >surgeon to refer to MDs and only someone licensed as such may use the term.>> At least for now.....>> Yehuda> < wrote:> Richard and all,>>In California, we are prohibited from calling ourselves " doctors " , but we >may call ourselves " physicians " ; in Arizona we may not use either of these >terms in describing ourselves. Unless, of course, we have a doctorate >(Ph.D.) degree. The " free speech " issue you use is not equally applicable >in every state, especially when our licensing statutes specify what we may >and may not call ourselves. This is separate from whether or we are not >considered " primary care providers " . I wish it was that simple!>>>>In a state where one is a primary healthcare provider and they have>fulfilled the educational requirements of those relevant statutes (whatever >they may>be)......they don't need to hold a doctorate degree. Their function is a>doctor and according to commercial free speech in this country (at least >for now)>as long as the speech is truthful and not meant to be misleading, what you>are practicing is lawful in accordance with your state law.....that's ALL >you>need to do to call yourself DOCTOR. (Not meant as legal advice).>>That battle is over unless of course we lose more of our US Constitutional>Rights.>>Richard>>>>>>>>>>In a message dated 08/12/07 2:50:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,>naturaldoc1 writes:>>Richard,>>I agree with much of what you are saying but still disagree with your last>item>about doctor and our education. Very few of us have a doctorate degree>especially>in TCM/OM.>>Our degree is most likely a master's and and lacking any regional>accreditation>at that. We also do hold ourselves out to the public as a matter of public>record, licensing>and advertising.>>Do you mean to tell me that you do not call or advertise yourself as a >doctor>or an Acupuncture Physician? That would seem to be opposite of your>response.>>Continuity is the key to a lot and makes patient understanding easier as>well. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac>>************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL >at>http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>>Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at Times >http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com>>Help build the world's largest online encyclopedia for Chinese medicine and >acupuncture, click, http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/wiki/CMTpedia>>To change your email delivery settings, click, > and adjust >accordingly.>>Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group >requires prior permission from the author.>>Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely >necessary.> Links>>>Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car >Finder tool.>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>>>>>>>> >>>>>Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today!>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>Yehuda L. 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Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Robert, The problem here is that work comp code might have us listed under the physician category but we must abide by our own acupuncture statutes, which do not define us this way nor does it allow us to use physician as a designation. It is used mostly as a general term and not defined by our statute. The Acupuncture statutes rule. It is good for us to have this discussion as it seems then we can overcome some of our lack of clarity over this issue. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac : chusauli: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:17:23 -0700RE: The term " Physician " in California According to California Worker's compensation law, we are recognized as " Physicians " , hence " Doctor " . " Doctor " also just means " Teacher " so those of us who teach can be affectionately called that.My opinion is that we should correctly be called " Yi Shi " . (Skilled at Medicine)Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME, PhDchusauliyehuda frischman <>Chinese Medicine >To: Chinese Medicine >The term " Physician " in California>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:32:20 -0700 (PDT)>>Andrea Beth,>> You are not correct. In California we may NOT call ourselves > " physicians " as per this blurb from the California acupuncture board's >site:>> " In addition, according to section 1399.456 of the Acupuncture >Regulations, anyone using the title Oriental Medical Doctor or Doctor >Oriental Medicine must have obtained the doctorate degree from a school or >college that was approved by the California Department of Education at the >time of issuance.> Please be advised also, that in the State of California, it is improper >to use any title that makes reference to a medical doctor, such as M.D. >(China) or C.M.D. (Chinese Medical Doctor), or otherwise. Only those >individuals licensed as a physician and surgeon, M.D. (medical doctor), by >the State of California may use such initials. " >> Though it is not explicitly prohibited as is the case in using the >letters MD or CMD, still the board interprets the terms physician or >surgeon to refer to MDs and only someone licensed as such may use the term.>> At least for now.....>> Yehuda> < wrote:> Richard and all,>>In California, we are prohibited from calling ourselves " doctors " , but we >may call ourselves " physicians " ; in Arizona we may not use either of these >terms in describing ourselves. Unless, of course, we have a doctorate >(Ph.D.) degree. The " free speech " issue you use is not equally applicable >in every state, especially when our licensing statutes specify what we may >and may not call ourselves. This is separate from whether or we are not >considered " primary care providers " . I wish it was that simple!>>>>In a state where one is a primary healthcare provider and they have>fulfilled the educational requirements of those relevant statutes (whatever >they may>be)......they don't need to hold a doctorate degree. Their function is a>doctor and according to commercial free speech in this country (at least >for now)>as long as the speech is truthful and not meant to be misleading, what you>are practicing is lawful in accordance with your state law.....that's ALL >you>need to do to call yourself DOCTOR. (Not meant as legal advice).>>That battle is over unless of course we lose more of our US Constitutional>Rights.>>Richard>>>>>>>>>>In a message dated 08/12/07 2:50:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,>naturaldoc1 writes:>>Richard,>>I agree with much of what you are saying but still disagree with your last>item>about doctor and our education. Very few of us have a doctorate degree>especially>in TCM/OM.>>Our degree is most likely a master's and and lacking any regional>accreditation>at that. We also do hold ourselves out to the public as a matter of public>record, licensing>and advertising.>>Do you mean to tell me that you do not call or advertise yourself as a >doctor>or an Acupuncture Physician? That would seem to be opposite of your>response.>>Continuity is the key to a lot and makes patient understanding easier as>well. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac>>************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL >at>http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>>Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at Times >http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com>>Help build the world's largest online encyclopedia for Chinese medicine and >acupuncture, click, http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/wiki/CMTpedia>>To change your email delivery settings, click, > and adjust >accordingly.>>Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group >requires prior permission from the author.>>Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely >necessary.> Links>>>Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car >Finder tool.>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>>>>>>>> >>>>>Shape in your own image. 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Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Robert except that a physician in CA traded by MDs and DOs only. We are a list of primary care providers which are called physician in WC but legally only an MD or a DO can be called physician - Robert Chu Chinese Medicine Monday, August 13, 2007 2:17 PM RE: The term " Physician " in California According to California Worker's compensation law, we are recognized as " Physicians " , hence " Doctor " . " Doctor " also just means " Teacher " so those of us who teach can be affectionately called that. My opinion is that we should correctly be called " Yi Shi " . (Skilled at Medicine) Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME, PhD chusauli www.chusaulei.com > >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >The term " Physician " in California >Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:32:20 -0700 (PDT) > >Andrea Beth, > > You are not correct. In California we may NOT call ourselves > " physicians " as per this blurb from the California acupuncture board's >site: > > " In addition, according to section 1399.456 of the Acupuncture >Regulations, anyone using the title Oriental Medical Doctor or Doctor >Oriental Medicine must have obtained the doctorate degree from a school or >college that was approved by the California Department of Education at the >time of issuance. > Please be advised also, that in the State of California, it is improper >to use any title that makes reference to a medical doctor, such as M.D. >(China) or C.M.D. (Chinese Medical Doctor), or otherwise. Only those >individuals licensed as a physician and surgeon, M.D. (medical doctor), by >the State of California may use such initials. " > > Though it is not explicitly prohibited as is the case in using the >letters MD or CMD, still the board interprets the terms physician or >surgeon to refer to MDs and only someone licensed as such may use the term. > > At least for now..... > > Yehuda > < wrote: > Richard and all, > >In California, we are prohibited from calling ourselves " doctors " , but we >may call ourselves " physicians " ; in Arizona we may not use either of these >terms in describing ourselves. Unless, of course, we have a doctorate >(Ph.D.) degree. The " free speech " issue you use is not equally applicable >in every state, especially when our licensing statutes specify what we may >and may not call ourselves. This is separate from whether or we are not >considered " primary care providers " . I wish it was that simple! > > > >In a state where one is a primary healthcare provider and they have >fulfilled the educational requirements of those relevant statutes (whatever >they may >be)......they don't need to hold a doctorate degree. Their function is a >doctor and according to commercial free speech in this country (at least >for now) >as long as the speech is truthful and not meant to be misleading, what you >are practicing is lawful in accordance with your state law.....that's ALL >you >need to do to call yourself DOCTOR. (Not meant as legal advice). > >That battle is over unless of course we lose more of our US Constitutional >Rights. > >Richard > > > > > > > > > >In a message dated 08/12/07 2:50:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >naturaldoc1 writes: > >Richard, > >I agree with much of what you are saying but still disagree with your last >item >about doctor and our education. Very few of us have a doctorate degree >especially >in TCM/OM. > >Our degree is most likely a master's and and lacking any regional >accreditation >at that. We also do hold ourselves out to the public as a matter of public >record, licensing >and advertising. > >Do you mean to tell me that you do not call or advertise yourself as a >doctor >or an Acupuncture Physician? That would seem to be opposite of your >response. > >Continuity is the key to a lot and makes patient understanding easier as >well. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > >************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL >at >http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 This is good for us to debate the general from the legal. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac : alonmarcus: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:35:35 -0700Re: The term " Physician " in California Robert except that a physician in CA traded by MDs and DOs only. We are a list of primary care providers which are called physician in WC but legally only an MD or a DO can be called physicianOakland CA 94609- Robert Chu Chinese Medicine Monday, August 13, 2007 2:17 PMRE: The term " Physician " in CaliforniaAccording to California Worker's compensation law, we are recognized as " Physicians " , hence " Doctor " . " Doctor " also just means " Teacher " so those of us who teach can be affectionately called that.My opinion is that we should correctly be called " Yi Shi " . (Skilled at Medicine)Robert Chu, L.Ac., QME, PhDchusauliyehuda frischman <>Chinese Medicine >To: Chinese Medicine >The term " Physician " in California>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:32:20 -0700 (PDT)>>Andrea Beth,>> You are not correct. In California we may NOT call ourselves > " physicians " as per this blurb from the California acupuncture board's >site:>> " In addition, according to section 1399.456 of the Acupuncture >Regulations, anyone using the title Oriental Medical Doctor or Doctor >Oriental Medicine must have obtained the doctorate degree from a school or >college that was approved by the California Department of Education at the >time of issuance.> Please be advised also, that in the State of California, it is improper >to use any title that makes reference to a medical doctor, such as M.D. >(China) or C.M.D. (Chinese Medical Doctor), or otherwise. Only those >individuals licensed as a physician and surgeon, M.D. (medical doctor), by >the State of California may use such initials. " >> Though it is not explicitly prohibited as is the case in using the >letters MD or CMD, still the board interprets the terms physician or >surgeon to refer to MDs and only someone licensed as such may use the term.>> At least for now.....>> Yehuda> < wrote:> Richard and all,>>In California, we are prohibited from calling ourselves " doctors " , but we >may call ourselves " physicians " ; in Arizona we may not use either of these >terms in describing ourselves. Unless, of course, we have a doctorate >(Ph.D.) degree. The " free speech " issue you use is not equally applicable >in every state, especially when our licensing statutes specify what we may >and may not call ourselves. This is separate from whether or we are not >considered " primary care providers " . I wish it was that simple!>>>>In a state where one is a primary healthcare provider and they have>fulfilled the educational requirements of those relevant statutes (whatever >they may>be)......they don't need to hold a doctorate degree. Their function is a>doctor and according to commercial free speech in this country (at least >for now)>as long as the speech is truthful and not meant to be misleading, what you>are practicing is lawful in accordance with your state law.....that's ALL >you>need to do to call yourself DOCTOR. (Not meant as legal advice).>>That battle is over unless of course we lose more of our US Constitutional>Rights.>>Richard>>>>>>>>>>In a message dated 08/12/07 2:50:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,>naturaldoc1 writes:>>Richard,>>I agree with much of what you are saying but still disagree with your last>item>about doctor and our education. Very few of us have a doctorate degree>especially>in TCM/OM.>>Our degree is most likely a master's and and lacking any regional>accreditation>at that. We also do hold ourselves out to the public as a matter of public>record, licensing>and advertising.>>Do you mean to tell me that you do not call or advertise yourself as a >doctor>or an Acupuncture Physician? That would seem to be opposite of your>response.>>Continuity is the key to a lot and makes patient understanding easier as>well. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac>>************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL >at>http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>>Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at Times >http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com>>Help build the world's largest online encyclopedia for Chinese medicine and >acupuncture, click, http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/wiki/CMTpedia>>To change your email delivery settings, click, > and adjust >accordingly.>>Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group >requires prior permission from the author.>>Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely >necessary.> Links>>>Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car >Finder tool.>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>>>>>>>> >>>>>Shape in your own image. 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