Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 I am wandering if people have experience using Mucuna Pruriens? What have you found, and what have you used it for? - Joy Bannerman Saturday, August 04, 2007 1:40 PM Re: Herb powders I'm a medical botanist and have conducted medicinal plant expeditions/collections in muggy, fetid swamp/marsh/wetland/tropical environments. So I had to learn in a hurry how to effectively deal with all kinds of herbal compounds, from all plant parts -- keeping the range in tact from the field to the delivery of processed materials to the laboratory. Outsmarting water-borne parasitic and other plant contaminants taught me several things that might be of use: (1) Different plant compounds react differently to chemical components of air and water. Hence, there's no one simple " do " or " don't " . Some herbal compounds are very stable, some very unstable; some water-soluble, some not; some reactive with the basic constituents of air and water, some not, etc. (2) Any herbal product is going to have some fungal spores somewhere. They are opportunistic and will be delighted with any moisture you might like to provide them. (3) Other contaminants may be present in air and water, including bacterial, as well as a vast array of human-made chemical pollutants floating around. These will no doubt be irresistibly drawn to your ground plant material. (4) Even controlling for air and water, there are the variables of temperature and light. Too cold (especially frozen), too hot (especially exposed to light) and you're going to lose at least some of the constituents. (5) Even the grinder/grinding process you choose can affect the final product if it gives off too much heat/friction. Slow and cool should be your guides. Here are some suggestions -- which may or may not be obvious reminders: (1) The starting point: Make certain of where your whole material comes from, that you can verify its purity and cleanliness and that you know how it was dried; don't " assume " anything; (2) If drying yourself, clean first, then air dry in a dark cool environment with a well-filtered and circulating air flow - and do so immediately. (3) Make sure the material is totally completely utterly dry before grinding, and grind cool and clean. (4) If appropriate, load into capsules immediately. If not, make packets of ground material using wax paper from a natural foods store (do not tape -- fold and wrap sufficiently to hold). (5) Immediately store small batches of capsules/packets in modest-size containers, preferably blue glass ones, or glass canning jars w/ lids. Place these in cool, dark cabinet/chest/shelving -- where you only open and close the door to get out the medicinals. Stable temperature and low light are important. I prefer to put small batches of glass containers in thick brown paper bags with handles from the grocery store. All the information -- re prep dates, i.d. of material, amounts, etc. - can be written on the bag; the bags provide a light/humidity barrier; and it's easy to lift and move batches around quickly. (6) If you need it, the refrigerator is better than the freezer in creating a stabilizing storage environment. As long as your material is packaged and then sealed in glass jars (this is why canning jars are good), it will remain in a temperature and light controlled environment. However, you still need to package the jars so that they'll be uncontaminated by other food stuffs and molds. (7) This entire process provides a nice opportunity for a ritual of infusing the material and the storage area with healing energy, as suits your personal practices, and you will feel this effect returned to you whenever you go there to " gather " an herbal product. I like to think of the herbal material storage place as a nursery for your baby medicinals -- where these living forms are kept swaddled, in health and harmony, till they go off on their own to be healers. Taking short-cuts, hoping for the best, and not paying attention have just about the same results that they do with human kids . . .. sometimes they turn out just fine -- and sometimes they don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 I am wandering if people have experience using Mucuna Pruriens? What have you found, and what have you used it for? - mike Bowser Chinese Traditional Medicine Monday, August 06, 2007 12:34 PM RE: TCM and Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia Gary, Depending upon your patient and your ability, do you feel confident in taking his case? If not, then refer. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac : conanjb: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:48:33 +0000TCM and Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia Hi,I have a patient that was recently diagnosed with CLL (Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia). He is asymptomatic and his oncologist said of all the types of cancer to get this is the one. The oncologist doesn't feel this will impact his life.My patient wants to know what can be done as a preventative measure, with herbs, for this conditions. This is my 1st cancer patient.Thanks,Gary ________ Recharge--play some free games. Win cool prizes too! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_wlmailtextlink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Hi Alon and all Herbal friends out there, I have used Mucuna Pruriens which I had ordered from Dr Gary Sun from an Ayurvedic Medicine web site. I used the powder for two of my Parkinson patients. They combined it with another powder of Ashgawanda and Guduchi (50%each to 100% of Mucuna) The combination seemed to change their neurological condition (rigidity and tremors) in a promising way. There were problems with the approach because the powder was tough to take and did not sit well in the digestive system. And some times the " off-time " afterward was difficult. " like dropping off a cliff " . We experimented with ratios and times to take it. We interrupted our experimentations because I then came across Dr John Grinstein of www.br13.com <http://www.br13.com/> - we found that his product had a more powerful effect and according to him results in neurogenesis Which eventually would lead to not needing any more medication all together because the body would re learn to produce Dopamine. He estimates the treatment would take a few years to eventually not even needing to replace Cinemet with his organic extract anymore. His claim is that he has discovered substances in organically grown heirloom vegetables that have this ability. There are some charitable organizations that support his research. Two patients also had tremendous success with liver cancer and glia-blastomas. Dr. Grinstein's GC100 extract seemed to have a concrete effect on both these patients - my liver cancer patient had a reduction in " spots " on the liver from 3 to 1. and the size of the last one went from 2.7cm to 1.7cm.. All research papers and many articles are available for your viewing. I look forward to your feed back and comments All the best Verena _____ On Behalf Of Alon Marcus Monday, August 06, 2007 4:24 PM Re: Re: Mucuna I am wandering if people have experience using Mucuna Pruriens? What have you found, and what have you used it for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Verena Thanks Verena Smith <verena wrote: Hi Alon and all Herbal friends out there, I have used Mucuna Pruriens which I had ordered from Dr Gary Sun from an Ayurvedic Medicine web site. I used the powder for two of my Parkinson patients. They combined it with another powder of Ashgawanda and Guduchi (50%each to 100% of Mucuna) The combination seemed to change their neurological condition (rigidity and tremors) in a promising way. There were problems with the approach because the powder was tough to take and did not sit well in the digestive system. And some times the " off-time " afterward was difficult. " like dropping off a cliff " . We experimented with ratios and times to take it. We interrupted our experimentations because I then came across Dr John Grinstein of www.br13.com <http://www.br13.com/> - we found that his product had a more powerful effect and according to him results in neurogenesis Which eventually would lead to not needing any more medication all together because the body would re learn to produce Dopamine. He estimates the treatment would take a few years to eventually not even needing to replace Cinemet with his organic extract anymore. His claim is that he has discovered substances in organically grown heirloom vegetables that have this ability. There are some charitable organizations that support his research. Two patients also had tremendous success with liver cancer and glia-blastomas. Dr. Grinstein's GC100 extract seemed to have a concrete effect on both these patients - my liver cancer patient had a reduction in " spots " on the liver from 3 to 1. and the size of the last one went from 2.7cm to 1.7cm.. All research papers and many articles are available for your viewing. I look forward to your feed back and comments All the best Verena _____ On Behalf Of Alon Marcus Monday, August 06, 2007 4:24 PM Re: Re: Mucuna I am wandering if people have experience using Mucuna Pruriens? What have you found, and what have you used it for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Verena Do you know what treatment they do - Verena Smith Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:16 PM RE: Re: Mucuna Hi Alon and all Herbal friends out there, I have used Mucuna Pruriens which I had ordered from Dr Gary Sun from an Ayurvedic Medicine web site. I used the powder for two of my Parkinson patients. They combined it with another powder of Ashgawanda and Guduchi (50%each to 100% of Mucuna) The combination seemed to change their neurological condition (rigidity and tremors) in a promising way. There were problems with the approach because the powder was tough to take and did not sit well in the digestive system. And some times the " off-time " afterward was difficult. " like dropping off a cliff " . We experimented with ratios and times to take it. We interrupted our experimentations because I then came across Dr John Grinstein of www.br13.com <http://www.br13.com/> - we found that his product had a more powerful effect and according to him results in neurogenesis Which eventually would lead to not needing any more medication all together because the body would re learn to produce Dopamine. He estimates the treatment would take a few years to eventually not even needing to replace Cinemet with his organic extract anymore. His claim is that he has discovered substances in organically grown heirloom vegetables that have this ability. There are some charitable organizations that support his research. Two patients also had tremendous success with liver cancer and glia-blastomas. Dr. Grinstein's GC100 extract seemed to have a concrete effect on both these patients - my liver cancer patient had a reduction in " spots " on the liver from 3 to 1. and the size of the last one went from 2.7cm to 1.7cm.. All research papers and many articles are available for your viewing. I look forward to your feed back and comments All the best Verena _____ On Behalf Of Alon Marcus Monday, August 06, 2007 4:24 PM Re: Re: Mucuna I am wandering if people have experience using Mucuna Pruriens? What have you found, and what have you used it for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2007 Report Share Posted August 8, 2007 Chinese Medicine , " Alon Marcus " <alonmarcus wrote: > > I am wandering if people have experience using Mucuna Pruriens? What have you found, and what have you used it for? > > > > > > > > Its more an ayurvedic herb than a tcm herb, Its good for nervous system disorders, as a sex tonic for men, Parkinson's. It is toxic at high doses. In tcm terms I would call it a very neutral kidney yang tonic that extinguishes wind. A good formula with mucuna is energy tonic from tibetanherbs.com(its a traditinal Tibetan formula). I have a very high quality extract for sale is you want some... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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