Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 Nam, Be careful. I would not consider the term " evil " to be taken as literally, as in some kind of satanic force ready to pounce on us. Rather I would say that Xie Qi, might better be described as dysbiosis, a lack of balance to the body, such as a PH imbalance, or a terrain which is not conducive to healthy flora, or any other system of the body, be it musculo-skeletal, cardiovascular, nervous or any other system not working harmoniously and in balance. But this Xie Qi should not be looked at as a force ready to harm us, but rather the result of this dysbiosis. Yehuda dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58 wrote: Dear Yehuda, You call Xie Qi ( evil Qi ). Yes, there are some Xie Qi. Any Qi that is not working with us but against us is called Xie Qi. They are everywhere and they are ready to harm us at anytime. But if your Qi is good and strong , they can not harm you, can't they? This is what TCM we learned. Why we call it a lack of harmony ? not working together or against each other ? If I am fine and healthy, my patient is having arthritis. He is afraid of cold weather, rainy days, certain foods. To him , they are all evil Qi. But to me , they are just as friends, do me no harm. I am not linking micro and macro theories. I have been using simple TCM terms all the ways.... QI , QI , QI... IF YOU CAN DEFINE A GOOD HEATHY PULSE, A GENERAL GOOD QI, YOU ARE SUPERIOR IN YOUR FILED. I heard my teachers said, " Everybody is sick when they are palpated. No one is free of disease!!! " . If you think this is real, you are one of them. I call them the cheaters, the quacks, for they do not understand pulses or normal health at all. I 've seen a lot of healthy people: 3 months ago, I worked with an M.D, a surgeon, a very good acupuncturist as well. She treated a patient with fibromyalgia by acupuncture, pain everwhere in the body. She wanted me to check and treat her patient, a female who was brought into the treatment room. I brought her, MD , along with me into the room. I checked the patients pulses and claimed, " You are free! There is nothing for me to work with you. You are fine now. I do not see any diseases from my view, how can I treat you. YOur doctor did all the work. " I explained to the MD and the patient why. Patient and her M.D was so exiciting! She ended the treatment, but asked her to come back and checked on her. for 2 months, the patient came and reported no pain at all. NO GOOD PULSES , EVERYBODY IS SICK ????????????????????? I do know that all of my associate still saying it this way, except me................. Either I am dump or they are lunatic! Yehuda, you may disagree every point of my view. But if your knowledge makes yourself stronger and you have more confidence with it. Please stay with it. However, when there are times you may think about this view. It may help you, not against you. There is no rush to disagree. If my view is complicate, or if it does not work, or if I have brought up some fictitious cases, I have been making a fool out of myself and others and also wasting my time. GOOD lUCK, Yehuda !!! Chinese Medicine , yehuda frischman < wrote: > > Dear Nam, > > What you describe in detail is exactly what connectivity is: the ability to link systems people and resources, both in a micro and macro sense. BTW, I would disagree with you, that Qi requires there to be harmony. For by definition is that not exactly what xie qi (evil qi) really is: a lack of harmony. Yet it is also Qi! As I said, it is the vital connectivity (both harmonious and disharmonious, both strong and not strong) between things that seems to me to more accurately describe what Qi is. > > Yehuda > > > > dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58 wrote: Yehuda, > > You and everybody brought out a good point. It is not easy to > simply Qi in one sentence or one paragraph or reducing it into Qi. > I had classified Qi in 5 elements, maybe more can be added in > later on. > The ways I look at Qi in directions ( up-down, in-out, to-bottom , > through-across, emerging-sinking ... ) TASTES ... COLORS ... PROPERTIES. > But if we distinguish liver Qi, Sp Qi, Ki Qi, Heart Qi, Lu Qi, > they are all different kinds of Qi " power or function " . > our eyes ( vision Qi ) , ears ( hearing Qi ), tongue ( taste Qi ), > noses ( smelling Qi ), skin ( sensing Qi ), hand-foot ( moving Qi ), > brain ( thinking Qi )... > If our brain does not have Qi , you tell me what happen? > If our heart .............................. > If our Spleen ............................. > > 112 elements possess different kinds of its Qi. If one is mixed with > another, it produces different combination of Qi yielding different > functions. 112 element creates billions of Qi. Fortunately, they are > working together in harmony. > If our brain rejects and against our Heart Qi , what will happen? > If our kidney ...................... Spleen , Heart, Liver .....? > What if our hands refuse to work with our feet ? > Our mouth against our hands and feet, or with our brain? > Or if our feet and our hands say " Why do I have to work so hard, the > mouth is there do nothing beside eating and we are not? " > The mouth saying " Why do I have to eat, chewing and they do not ? " > If our Qi are not in harmony, then ..........? > If they are not Qi, then what ? > > Nam Nguyen > > > Chinese Medicine , yehuda frischman > <@> wrote: > > > > Hi Kokko, > > > > Check out Ken Rose & Zhang Yu Huan's book, " A Brief History of Qi, " > ISBN 0-912111-63-1. Etymologically, historically, and practically it > is inappropriate reductionism to call Qi simply energy. To trap Qi > in the cage of " energy " , is to call the Taj Mahal a structure, it is > to call the Amazon a stream, it is to call Everest a hill. From > discussions with Ken, and reading his thoughts, I think that a much > better word to include the many facets of Qi would be connectivity. > It is what manifests our relationships with ourselves, others, and our > world. It is that spark of life that moves the blood, and it is so > much more. Yet to really begin to properly describe it takes much > more than a few sentences. Read " A Brief history of Qi " . I think > you'll enjoy it. > > > > Yehuda > > > > <johnkokko@> wrote: > > Does anyone know of a good description of Qi published or > unpublished in the > > English language? > > I'm not sure if " energy " captures this concept completely. > > > > If we're going to base our entire diagnosis and treatment protocols > based on > > Qi, > > we should have sharper metaphors to be able to understand this > phenomenon. > > > > Nam, thanks for bringing up this issue, which is fundamental to our > > practices. > > > > On 8/5/07, Nam Nguyen <dr_namnguyen58@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dr. Alon Marcus, > > > > > > We apply our treatments based on Qi alone. Eventhough > > > we are using herbs or acupuncture, we should not get > > > our sight out of Qi. If there is stagnation, phlegm, > > > heat, cold, dampness, dryness or combination of all, I > > > strongly suggested focusing on Qi. This will help us > > > tremendously.... > > > HOW DO WE GET QI AND HOW WE USE THEM ??? > > > Qi ( energy, life-force ) is giving us by nature, > > > is everywhere. They are foods and air. > > > HOW TO ACQUIRE THEM ? Depend on our diagnosis ! > > > What do we need ? What do we want to get rid of so our > > > body can function properly ? > > > ACUPUNCTURE regulates Qi and enhances Qi. This > > > methods can treat and cure a lot of disease... Oh! By > > > the way, my daughter is free of stuffy nose after 1 > > > treatment. This encourages everybody. > > > ACUPUNCTURE is not used to tonify Yin nor Yang, but > > > it is to regulate our body energy. > > > If our energy is strong enough and works properly , > > > it can receive ( absorb ) proper energy foods and > > > transform them into whatever we call it " Yin or Yang, > > > cold or heat, dryness or moisture ... " > > > IN THIS CASE WE TONIFY YIN OR YANG INDIRECTLY. > > > Please correct me if I am wrong. I am learning just as > > > you all. > > > HERBS ARE TRUE SUPPLEMENTS for us to strengthen our > > > body, but it is no used if our energy is unable to > > > absorb them nor transform them into useful energy, the > > > needed energy. > > > > > > ARE THESE HELPFUL ??? > > > > > > Thanks for spending time to view these things with me. > > > I am still learning , guys ! > > > > > > GOOD LUCK !!! > > > > > > Nam Nguyen > > > > > > > > > --- Alon Marcus <alonmarcus@ <alonmarcus%40wans.net>> wrote: > > > > > > > Nam > > > > Now that you have described this what do you with it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dr_namnguyen58 > > > > To: > Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > > > Sunday, August 05, 2007 10:15 AM > > > > FOCUSING POINT " NEW APPROACH " > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all friends, > > > > > > > > I have had simplified our TCM theory years ago and > > > > applied it. It > > > > works well. But it needs some more works and some > > > > more wisdom to > > > > develop further, instead of ending right here. > > > > However, I need to > > > > share my approach to all of you - us, so we may > > > > focus on it and > > > > develop more and more as people do in western > > > > medicine. Our future > > > > probably will have a great expansion and extension > > > > and be brighter. So > > > > please help me here, all of you!!!!! > > > > Our TCM theory emphasizes on Yin and Yang, Qi and > > > > blood, Heat and > > > > cold, exterior and interior, acute and chronic. > > > > They are very > > > > complicate to me and to some. This is why we can > > > > not master our field. > > > > I unified them all in one word : Qi ( energy, > > > > life, life source, > > > > heat, expansion, moving, growing, transform, > > > > transport, breaking, > > > > destroying, condensing ... ) > > > > NOW LET SEE SOME EXAMPLES, we will base on these > > > > models and develop > > > > further if we wish, but be sure to make them as > > > > simple as possible. > > > > PAIN ( Qi stagnation, slow moving, or stop ) do > > > > not think about > > > > blood stagnation, phlegm or injuries, but Qi... Qi > > > > slows down, get > > > > stuck -obstructed , or too weak to move... Rx : > > > > Remove and regulate > > > > obstruction if obstructed, strenghten if Qi is too > > > > weak... Phlegm are > > > > cause by Qi weakness or obstruction. > > > > PHLEGM -again , from Qi stagnation, weakness, > > > > unable to transform > > > > SWOLEN ( Qi and blood stagnation , but Qi is the > > > > main factor. Do > > > > think about Qi first -use Qi to destroying > > > > obstruction or transfer the > > > > obstruction into different forms- softer, smaller, > > > > or melting ... ) > > > > EDEMA - fluid accumulation ( Qi weakness or some > > > > obstruction which > > > > is unable to transform food or Gu Qi or body fluid > > > > then edema forms ) > > > > DAMP ( same as phlegm , swollen, edema > > > > ............ ) > > > > > > > > TO ME : EVERYTHING HAPPENS GOOD OR BAD IS FROM QI. > > > > Yin and yang in universe means nothing to me if > > > > our body can not > > > > utilize them. Ex : If you are dying and you are to > > > > inject, drink or > > > > eat some Yang ( energy, life-giving ) foods but > > > > still dying, it does > > > > not mean anything to you. > > > > The most important thing to me is our energy > > > > inside our body. Is it > > > > strong enough to transform Yin into Yin or Yang > > > > into Yang for our ( > > > > life ) needs. If it does, it counts. So when we > > > > are sick, ill, or > > > > terminally ill, my question is : Can we absorb any > > > > energy ( live > > > > giving support ) to save our life ? How can we > > > > absorb them ? Is that > > > > because we still have our breath to receive energy > > > > ? The energy which > > > > is very very weak, but somehow is still able > > > > receive and transform any > > > > giving energy outside of our body into our fuel > > > > -living energy which > > > > our life will hold on. > > > > If terminal illness can be treated, we should have > > > > confident in > > > > pain, edema, highblood pressure ( accumulation of > > > > cholesterol, fats, > > > > calcium or something obstructed the vessels ... > > > > too much pressure- > > > > energy? ), overweight ( accumulation , Qi not > > > > transform food into > > > > fuel ), infection ( Qi not strong enough to defend > > > > invaders ... ).... > > > > should we ????????????? > > > > Why should every one look for heat, cold , > > > > interior, exterior , > > > > deficiency or excess at this point ? We know that > > > > if our energy is > > > > weak --> tired, listless, fatigue... If > > > > obstruction --> pain and other > > > > accumulation... If we are dying, we know our enery > > > > is not refueling > > > > or it is giving up of receiving or transforming. > > > > REMEMBER OUR QI ....... QI , QI , QI. This is what > > > > counts, not > > > > other. But we should understand Yin and yang , Qi > > > > and Blood > > > > thoroughly. They won't hurt , but will help us > > > > more if we know more. > > > > > > > > IF WE UNDERSTAND QI, THERE SHOULD BE NO PROBLEM TO > > > > LEARN YOUR > > > > PULSES................... > > > > > > > > LET 'S SEE IT in an example, and please help me , > > > > friends !!!!!! > > > > > > > > PULSE is deep , middle or floating ... > > > > Why it is deep ? because my Qi senses something > > > > wrong deep inside ( > > > > interior prob ? ) > > > > Why it is in the middle ? My Qi senses something > > > > in the blood, > > > > muscles, tendons, something in the middle ( Qi and > > > > blood prob? ) > > > > Why it is floating ? My Qi is sensing something > > > > out side,it goes > > > > up and looks for something or try to defend for my > > > > body ( exterior pro ? ) > > > > Why slippery - because no obstruction. > > > > Why hesistate - because it can not move smoothly, > > > > there must be > > > > obstruction, weak qi ( not strong enough to move > > > > -- hesistation too. > > > > body fluid or blood is too thick or too lillte --> > > > > not moving smoothly > > > > then it will cause hesitation too. .. ) > > > > > > > > > > > > IF WE ALL GET THE PICTURE AS THE ABOVE SAMPLES I > > > > THINK WE WILL > > > > ENJOY OUR THEORY AND WE CAN BE SOME SCIENTISTS > > > > SOMEDAY !!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > GOOD LUCK, everybody !!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > PLEASE HELP ME IF I AM WRONG. I AM HERE TO SHARE > > > > AND TO LEARN WITH ALL > > > > OF YOU. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Nam Nguyen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos > new Car > > > Finder tool. > > > http://autos./carfinder/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > aka Mu bong Lim > > Father of Bhakti > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 Yehuda, I am sorry for using the term I called evil Qi. It should be called a harmful Qi, foreign Qi or an alien Qi. Whatever we may call it. Thanks for alarming me. Nam -- In Chinese Medicine , yehuda frischman < wrote: > > Nam, > > Be careful. I would not consider the term " evil " to be taken as literally, as in some kind of satanic force ready to pounce on us. Rather I would say that Xie Qi, might better be described as dysbiosis, a lack of balance to the body, such as a PH imbalance, or a terrain which is not conducive to healthy flora, or any other system of the body, be it musculo-skeletal, cardiovascular, nervous or any other system not working harmoniously and in balance. But this Xie Qi should not be looked at as a force ready to harm us, but rather the result of this dysbiosis. > > Yehuda > > dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58 wrote: > Dear Yehuda, > You call Xie Qi ( evil Qi ). Yes, there are some Xie Qi. Any Qi > that is not working with us but against us is called Xie Qi. They are > everywhere and they are ready to harm us at anytime. > But if your Qi is good and strong , they can not harm you, can't > they? This is what TCM we learned. > Why we call it a lack of harmony ? not working together or against > each other ? > If I am fine and healthy, my patient is having arthritis. He is > afraid of cold weather, rainy days, certain foods. To him , they are > all evil Qi. But to me , they are just as friends, do me no harm. > I am not linking micro and macro theories. I have been using simple > TCM terms all the ways.... QI , QI , QI... > > IF YOU CAN DEFINE A GOOD HEATHY PULSE, A GENERAL GOOD QI, YOU ARE > SUPERIOR IN YOUR FILED. > I heard my teachers said, " Everybody is sick when they are > palpated. No one is free of disease!!! " . If you think this is real, > you are one of them. I call them the cheaters, the quacks, for they > do not understand pulses or normal health at all. > I 've seen a lot of healthy people: > 3 months ago, I worked with an M.D, a surgeon, a very good > acupuncturist as well. She treated a patient with fibromyalgia by > acupuncture, pain everwhere in the body. She wanted me to check and > treat her patient, a female who was brought into the treatment room. I > brought her, MD , along with me into the room. > I checked the patients pulses and claimed, " You are free! There is > nothing for me to work with you. You are fine now. I do not see any > diseases from my view, how can I treat you. YOur doctor did all the > work. " I explained to the MD and the patient why. > Patient and her M.D was so exiciting! She ended the treatment, but > asked her to come back and checked on her. for 2 months, the patient > came and reported no pain at all. > > NO GOOD PULSES , EVERYBODY IS SICK ????????????????????? > I do know that all of my associate still saying it this way, except > me................. Either I am dump or they are lunatic! > > Yehuda, you may disagree every point of my view. But if your > knowledge makes yourself stronger and you have more confidence with > it. Please stay with it. However, when there are times you may think > about this view. It may help you, not against you. There is no rush to > disagree. > If my view is complicate, or if it does not work, or if I have > brought up some fictitious cases, I have been making a fool out of > myself and others and also wasting my time. > > GOOD lUCK, Yehuda !!! > > Chinese Medicine , yehuda frischman > <@> wrote: > > > > Dear Nam, > > > > What you describe in detail is exactly what connectivity is: the > ability to link systems people and resources, both in a micro and > macro sense. BTW, I would disagree with you, that Qi requires there > to be harmony. For by definition is that not exactly what xie qi > (evil qi) really is: a lack of harmony. Yet it is also Qi! As I > said, it is the vital connectivity (both harmonious and disharmonious, > both strong and not strong) between things that seems to me to more > accurately describe what Qi is. > > > > Yehuda > > > > > > > > > dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58@> wrote: Yehuda, > > > > You and everybody brought out a good point. It is not easy to > > simply Qi in one sentence or one paragraph or reducing it into Qi. > > I had classified Qi in 5 elements, maybe more can be added in > > later on. > > The ways I look at Qi in directions ( up-down, in-out, to-bottom , > > through-across, emerging-sinking ... ) TASTES ... COLORS ... PROPERTIES. > > But if we distinguish liver Qi, Sp Qi, Ki Qi, Heart Qi, Lu Qi, > > they are all different kinds of Qi " power or function " . > > our eyes ( vision Qi ) , ears ( hearing Qi ), tongue ( taste Qi ), > > noses ( smelling Qi ), skin ( sensing Qi ), hand-foot ( moving Qi ), > > brain ( thinking Qi )... > > If our brain does not have Qi , you tell me what happen? > > If our heart .............................. > > If our Spleen ............................. > > > > 112 elements possess different kinds of its Qi. If one is mixed with > > another, it produces different combination of Qi yielding different > > functions. 112 element creates billions of Qi. Fortunately, they are > > working together in harmony. > > If our brain rejects and against our Heart Qi , what will happen? > > If our kidney ...................... Spleen , Heart, Liver .....? > > What if our hands refuse to work with our feet ? > > Our mouth against our hands and feet, or with our brain? > > Or if our feet and our hands say " Why do I have to work so hard, the > > mouth is there do nothing beside eating and we are not? " > > The mouth saying " Why do I have to eat, chewing and they do not ? " > > If our Qi are not in harmony, then ..........? > > If they are not Qi, then what ? > > > > Nam Nguyen > > > > > > Chinese Medicine , yehuda frischman > > <@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Kokko, > > > > > > Check out Ken Rose & Zhang Yu Huan's book, " A Brief History of Qi, " > > ISBN 0-912111-63-1. Etymologically, historically, and practically it > > is inappropriate reductionism to call Qi simply energy. To trap Qi > > in the cage of " energy " , is to call the Taj Mahal a structure, it is > > to call the Amazon a stream, it is to call Everest a hill. From > > discussions with Ken, and reading his thoughts, I think that a much > > better word to include the many facets of Qi would be connectivity. > > It is what manifests our relationships with ourselves, others, and our > > world. It is that spark of life that moves the blood, and it is so > > much more. Yet to really begin to properly describe it takes much > > more than a few sentences. Read " A Brief history of Qi " . I think > > you'll enjoy it. > > > > > > Yehuda > > > > > > <johnkokko@> wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a good description of Qi published or > > unpublished in the > > > English language? > > > I'm not sure if " energy " captures this concept completely. > > > > > > If we're going to base our entire diagnosis and treatment protocols > > based on > > > Qi, > > > we should have sharper metaphors to be able to understand this > > phenomenon. > > > > > > Nam, thanks for bringing up this issue, which is fundamental to our > > > practices. > > > > > > On 8/5/07, Nam Nguyen <dr_namnguyen58@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Dr. Alon Marcus, > > > > > > > > We apply our treatments based on Qi alone. Eventhough > > > > we are using herbs or acupuncture, we should not get > > > > our sight out of Qi. If there is stagnation, phlegm, > > > > heat, cold, dampness, dryness or combination of all, I > > > > strongly suggested focusing on Qi. This will help us > > > > tremendously.... > > > > HOW DO WE GET QI AND HOW WE USE THEM ??? > > > > Qi ( energy, life-force ) is giving us by nature, > > > > is everywhere. They are foods and air. > > > > HOW TO ACQUIRE THEM ? Depend on our diagnosis ! > > > > What do we need ? What do we want to get rid of so our > > > > body can function properly ? > > > > ACUPUNCTURE regulates Qi and enhances Qi. This > > > > methods can treat and cure a lot of disease... Oh! By > > > > the way, my daughter is free of stuffy nose after 1 > > > > treatment. This encourages everybody. > > > > ACUPUNCTURE is not used to tonify Yin nor Yang, but > > > > it is to regulate our body energy. > > > > If our energy is strong enough and works properly , > > > > it can receive ( absorb ) proper energy foods and > > > > transform them into whatever we call it " Yin or Yang, > > > > cold or heat, dryness or moisture ... " > > > > IN THIS CASE WE TONIFY YIN OR YANG INDIRECTLY. > > > > Please correct me if I am wrong. I am learning just as > > > > you all. > > > > HERBS ARE TRUE SUPPLEMENTS for us to strengthen our > > > > body, but it is no used if our energy is unable to > > > > absorb them nor transform them into useful energy, the > > > > needed energy. > > > > > > > > ARE THESE HELPFUL ??? > > > > > > > > Thanks for spending time to view these things with me. > > > > I am still learning , guys ! > > > > > > > > GOOD LUCK !!! > > > > > > > > Nam Nguyen > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Alon Marcus <alonmarcus@ <alonmarcus%40wans.net>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nam > > > > > Now that you have described this what do you with it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dr_namnguyen58 > > > > > To: > > > Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > > > > Sunday, August 05, 2007 10:15 AM > > > > > FOCUSING POINT " NEW APPROACH " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all friends, > > > > > > > > > > I have had simplified our TCM theory years ago and > > > > > applied it. It > > > > > works well. But it needs some more works and some > > > > > more wisdom to > > > > > develop further, instead of ending right here. > > > > > However, I need to > > > > > share my approach to all of you - us, so we may > > > > > focus on it and > > > > > develop more and more as people do in western > > > > > medicine. Our future > > > > > probably will have a great expansion and extension > > > > > and be brighter. So > > > > > please help me here, all of you!!!!! > > > > > Our TCM theory emphasizes on Yin and Yang, Qi and > > > > > blood, Heat and > > > > > cold, exterior and interior, acute and chronic. > > > > > They are very > > > > > complicate to me and to some. This is why we can > > > > > not master our field. > > > > > I unified them all in one word : Qi ( energy, > > > > > life, life source, > > > > > heat, expansion, moving, growing, transform, > > > > > transport, breaking, > > > > > destroying, condensing ... ) > > > > > NOW LET SEE SOME EXAMPLES, we will base on these > > > > > models and develop > > > > > further if we wish, but be sure to make them as > > > > > simple as possible. > > > > > PAIN ( Qi stagnation, slow moving, or stop ) do > > > > > not think about > > > > > blood stagnation, phlegm or injuries, but Qi... Qi > > > > > slows down, get > > > > > stuck -obstructed , or too weak to move... Rx : > > > > > Remove and regulate > > > > > obstruction if obstructed, strenghten if Qi is too > > > > > weak... Phlegm are > > > > > cause by Qi weakness or obstruction. > > > > > PHLEGM -again , from Qi stagnation, weakness, > > > > > unable to transform > > > > > SWOLEN ( Qi and blood stagnation , but Qi is the > > > > > main factor. Do > > > > > think about Qi first -use Qi to destroying > > > > > obstruction or transfer the > > > > > obstruction into different forms- softer, smaller, > > > > > or melting ... ) > > > > > EDEMA - fluid accumulation ( Qi weakness or some > > > > > obstruction which > > > > > is unable to transform food or Gu Qi or body fluid > > > > > then edema forms ) > > > > > DAMP ( same as phlegm , swollen, edema > > > > > ............ ) > > > > > > > > > > TO ME : EVERYTHING HAPPENS GOOD OR BAD IS FROM QI. > > > > > Yin and yang in universe means nothing to me if > > > > > our body can not > > > > > utilize them. Ex : If you are dying and you are to > > > > > inject, drink or > > > > > eat some Yang ( energy, life-giving ) foods but > > > > > still dying, it does > > > > > not mean anything to you. > > > > > The most important thing to me is our energy > > > > > inside our body. Is it > > > > > strong enough to transform Yin into Yin or Yang > > > > > into Yang for our ( > > > > > life ) needs. If it does, it counts. So when we > > > > > are sick, ill, or > > > > > terminally ill, my question is : Can we absorb any > > > > > energy ( live > > > > > giving support ) to save our life ? How can we > > > > > absorb them ? Is that > > > > > because we still have our breath to receive energy > > > > > ? The energy which > > > > > is very very weak, but somehow is still able > > > > > receive and transform any > > > > > giving energy outside of our body into our fuel > > > > > -living energy which > > > > > our life will hold on. > > > > > If terminal illness can be treated, we should have > > > > > confident in > > > > > pain, edema, highblood pressure ( accumulation of > > > > > cholesterol, fats, > > > > > calcium or something obstructed the vessels ... > > > > > too much pressure- > > > > > energy? ), overweight ( accumulation , Qi not > > > > > transform food into > > > > > fuel ), infection ( Qi not strong enough to defend > > > > > invaders ... ).... > > > > > should we ????????????? > > > > > Why should every one look for heat, cold , > > > > > interior, exterior , > > > > > deficiency or excess at this point ? We know that > > > > > if our energy is > > > > > weak --> tired, listless, fatigue... If > > > > > obstruction --> pain and other > > > > > accumulation... If we are dying, we know our enery > > > > > is not refueling > > > > > or it is giving up of receiving or transforming. > > > > > REMEMBER OUR QI ....... QI , QI , QI. This is what > > > > > counts, not > > > > > other. But we should understand Yin and yang , Qi > > > > > and Blood > > > > > thoroughly. They won't hurt , but will help us > > > > > more if we know more. > > > > > > > > > > IF WE UNDERSTAND QI, THERE SHOULD BE NO PROBLEM TO > > > > > LEARN YOUR > > > > > PULSES................... > > > > > > > > > > LET 'S SEE IT in an example, and please help me , > > > > > friends !!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > PULSE is deep , middle or floating ... > > > > > Why it is deep ? because my Qi senses something > > > > > wrong deep inside ( > > > > > interior prob ? ) > > > > > Why it is in the middle ? My Qi senses something > > > > > in the blood, > > > > > muscles, tendons, something in the middle ( Qi and > > > > > blood prob? ) > > > > > Why it is floating ? My Qi is sensing something > > > > > out side,it goes > > > > > up and looks for something or try to defend for my > > > > > body ( exterior pro ? ) > > > > > Why slippery - because no obstruction. > > > > > Why hesistate - because it can not move smoothly, > > > > > there must be > > > > > obstruction, weak qi ( not strong enough to move > > > > > -- hesistation too. > > > > > body fluid or blood is too thick or too lillte --> > > > > > not moving smoothly > > > > > then it will cause hesitation too. .. ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IF WE ALL GET THE PICTURE AS THE ABOVE SAMPLES I > > > > > THINK WE WILL > > > > > ENJOY OUR THEORY AND WE CAN BE SOME SCIENTISTS > > > > > SOMEDAY !!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > GOOD LUCK, everybody !!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE HELP ME IF I AM WRONG. I AM HERE TO SHARE > > > > > AND TO LEARN WITH ALL > > > > > OF YOU. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > Nam Nguyen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos > > new Car > > > > Finder tool. > > > > http://autos./carfinder/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > aka Mu bong Lim > > > Father of Bhakti > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 Actually the term Xie Qi is generally translated as evil or pathogenic Qi. (Wiseman, Maciocia, Bensky, Deadman). From my understanding the Radical implies that which is crooked or deviant, like the example of a tree which is growing crooked. dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58 wrote: Yehuda, I am sorry for using the term I called evil Qi. It should be called a harmful Qi, foreign Qi or an alien Qi. Whatever we may call it. Thanks for alarming me. Nam -- In Chinese Medicine , yehuda frischman < wrote: > > Nam, > > Be careful. I would not consider the term " evil " to be taken as literally, as in some kind of satanic force ready to pounce on us. Rather I would say that Xie Qi, might better be described as dysbiosis, a lack of balance to the body, such as a PH imbalance, or a terrain which is not conducive to healthy flora, or any other system of the body, be it musculo-skeletal, cardiovascular, nervous or any other system not working harmoniously and in balance. But this Xie Qi should not be looked at as a force ready to harm us, but rather the result of this dysbiosis. > > Yehuda > > dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58 wrote: > Dear Yehuda, > You call Xie Qi ( evil Qi ). Yes, there are some Xie Qi. Any Qi > that is not working with us but against us is called Xie Qi. They are > everywhere and they are ready to harm us at anytime. > But if your Qi is good and strong , they can not harm you, can't > they? This is what TCM we learned. > Why we call it a lack of harmony ? not working together or against > each other ? > If I am fine and healthy, my patient is having arthritis. He is > afraid of cold weather, rainy days, certain foods. To him , they are > all evil Qi. But to me , they are just as friends, do me no harm. > I am not linking micro and macro theories. I have been using simple > TCM terms all the ways.... QI , QI , QI... > > IF YOU CAN DEFINE A GOOD HEATHY PULSE, A GENERAL GOOD QI, YOU ARE > SUPERIOR IN YOUR FILED. > I heard my teachers said, " Everybody is sick when they are > palpated. No one is free of disease!!! " . If you think this is real, > you are one of them. I call them the cheaters, the quacks, for they > do not understand pulses or normal health at all. > I 've seen a lot of healthy people: > 3 months ago, I worked with an M.D, a surgeon, a very good > acupuncturist as well. She treated a patient with fibromyalgia by > acupuncture, pain everwhere in the body. She wanted me to check and > treat her patient, a female who was brought into the treatment room. I > brought her, MD , along with me into the room. > I checked the patients pulses and claimed, " You are free! There is > nothing for me to work with you. You are fine now. I do not see any > diseases from my view, how can I treat you. YOur doctor did all the > work. " I explained to the MD and the patient why. > Patient and her M.D was so exiciting! She ended the treatment, but > asked her to come back and checked on her. for 2 months, the patient > came and reported no pain at all. > > NO GOOD PULSES , EVERYBODY IS SICK ????????????????????? > I do know that all of my associate still saying it this way, except > me................. Either I am dump or they are lunatic! > > Yehuda, you may disagree every point of my view. But if your > knowledge makes yourself stronger and you have more confidence with > it. Please stay with it. However, when there are times you may think > about this view. It may help you, not against you. There is no rush to > disagree. > If my view is complicate, or if it does not work, or if I have > brought up some fictitious cases, I have been making a fool out of > myself and others and also wasting my time. > > GOOD lUCK, Yehuda !!! > > Chinese Medicine , yehuda frischman > <@> wrote: > > > > Dear Nam, > > > > What you describe in detail is exactly what connectivity is: the > ability to link systems people and resources, both in a micro and > macro sense. BTW, I would disagree with you, that Qi requires there > to be harmony. For by definition is that not exactly what xie qi > (evil qi) really is: a lack of harmony. Yet it is also Qi! As I > said, it is the vital connectivity (both harmonious and disharmonious, > both strong and not strong) between things that seems to me to more > accurately describe what Qi is. > > > > Yehuda > > > > > > > > > dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58@> wrote: Yehuda, > > > > You and everybody brought out a good point. It is not easy to > > simply Qi in one sentence or one paragraph or reducing it into Qi. > > I had classified Qi in 5 elements, maybe more can be added in > > later on. > > The ways I look at Qi in directions ( up-down, in-out, to-bottom , > > through-across, emerging-sinking ... ) TASTES ... COLORS ... PROPERTIES. > > But if we distinguish liver Qi, Sp Qi, Ki Qi, Heart Qi, Lu Qi, > > they are all different kinds of Qi " power or function " . > > our eyes ( vision Qi ) , ears ( hearing Qi ), tongue ( taste Qi ), > > noses ( smelling Qi ), skin ( sensing Qi ), hand-foot ( moving Qi ), > > brain ( thinking Qi )... > > If our brain does not have Qi , you tell me what happen? > > If our heart .............................. > > If our Spleen ............................. > > > > 112 elements possess different kinds of its Qi. If one is mixed with > > another, it produces different combination of Qi yielding different > > functions. 112 element creates billions of Qi. Fortunately, they are > > working together in harmony. > > If our brain rejects and against our Heart Qi , what will happen? > > If our kidney ...................... Spleen , Heart, Liver .....? > > What if our hands refuse to work with our feet ? > > Our mouth against our hands and feet, or with our brain? > > Or if our feet and our hands say " Why do I have to work so hard, the > > mouth is there do nothing beside eating and we are not? " > > The mouth saying " Why do I have to eat, chewing and they do not ? " > > If our Qi are not in harmony, then ..........? > > If they are not Qi, then what ? > > > > Nam Nguyen > > > > > > Chinese Medicine , yehuda frischman > > <@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Kokko, > > > > > > Check out Ken Rose & Zhang Yu Huan's book, " A Brief History of Qi, " > > ISBN 0-912111-63-1. Etymologically, historically, and practically it > > is inappropriate reductionism to call Qi simply energy. To trap Qi > > in the cage of " energy " , is to call the Taj Mahal a structure, it is > > to call the Amazon a stream, it is to call Everest a hill. From > > discussions with Ken, and reading his thoughts, I think that a much > > better word to include the many facets of Qi would be connectivity. > > It is what manifests our relationships with ourselves, others, and our > > world. It is that spark of life that moves the blood, and it is so > > much more. Yet to really begin to properly describe it takes much > > more than a few sentences. Read " A Brief history of Qi " . I think > > you'll enjoy it. > > > > > > Yehuda > > > > > > <johnkokko@> wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a good description of Qi published or > > unpublished in the > > > English language? > > > I'm not sure if " energy " captures this concept completely. > > > > > > If we're going to base our entire diagnosis and treatment protocols > > based on > > > Qi, > > > we should have sharper metaphors to be able to understand this > > phenomenon. > > > > > > Nam, thanks for bringing up this issue, which is fundamental to our > > > practices. > > > > > > On 8/5/07, Nam Nguyen <dr_namnguyen58@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Dr. Alon Marcus, > > > > > > > > We apply our treatments based on Qi alone. Eventhough > > > > we are using herbs or acupuncture, we should not get > > > > our sight out of Qi. If there is stagnation, phlegm, > > > > heat, cold, dampness, dryness or combination of all, I > > > > strongly suggested focusing on Qi. This will help us > > > > tremendously.... > > > > HOW DO WE GET QI AND HOW WE USE THEM ??? > > > > Qi ( energy, life-force ) is giving us by nature, > > > > is everywhere. They are foods and air. > > > > HOW TO ACQUIRE THEM ? Depend on our diagnosis ! > > > > What do we need ? What do we want to get rid of so our > > > > body can function properly ? > > > > ACUPUNCTURE regulates Qi and enhances Qi. This > > > > methods can treat and cure a lot of disease... Oh! By > > > > the way, my daughter is free of stuffy nose after 1 > > > > treatment. This encourages everybody. > > > > ACUPUNCTURE is not used to tonify Yin nor Yang, but > > > > it is to regulate our body energy. > > > > If our energy is strong enough and works properly , > > > > it can receive ( absorb ) proper energy foods and > > > > transform them into whatever we call it " Yin or Yang, > > > > cold or heat, dryness or moisture ... " > > > > IN THIS CASE WE TONIFY YIN OR YANG INDIRECTLY. > > > > Please correct me if I am wrong. I am learning just as > > > > you all. > > > > HERBS ARE TRUE SUPPLEMENTS for us to strengthen our > > > > body, but it is no used if our energy is unable to > > > > absorb them nor transform them into useful energy, the > > > > needed energy. > > > > > > > > ARE THESE HELPFUL ??? > > > > > > > > Thanks for spending time to view these things with me. > > > > I am still learning , guys ! > > > > > > > > GOOD LUCK !!! > > > > > > > > Nam Nguyen > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Alon Marcus <alonmarcus@ <alonmarcus%40wans.net>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nam > > > > > Now that you have described this what do you with it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dr_namnguyen58 > > > > > To: > > > Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > > > > Sunday, August 05, 2007 10:15 AM > > > > > FOCUSING POINT " NEW APPROACH " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all friends, > > > > > > > > > > I have had simplified our TCM theory years ago and > > > > > applied it. It > > > > > works well. But it needs some more works and some > > > > > more wisdom to > > > > > develop further, instead of ending right here. > > > > > However, I need to > > > > > share my approach to all of you - us, so we may > > > > > focus on it and > > > > > develop more and more as people do in western > > > > > medicine. Our future > > > > > probably will have a great expansion and extension > > > > > and be brighter. So > > > > > please help me here, all of you!!!!! > > > > > Our TCM theory emphasizes on Yin and Yang, Qi and > > > > > blood, Heat and > > > > > cold, exterior and interior, acute and chronic. > > > > > They are very > > > > > complicate to me and to some. This is why we can > > > > > not master our field. > > > > > I unified them all in one word : Qi ( energy, > > > > > life, life source, > > > > > heat, expansion, moving, growing, transform, > > > > > transport, breaking, > > > > > destroying, condensing ... ) > > > > > NOW LET SEE SOME EXAMPLES, we will base on these > > > > > models and develop > > > > > further if we wish, but be sure to make them as > > > > > simple as possible. > > > > > PAIN ( Qi stagnation, slow moving, or stop ) do > > > > > not think about > > > > > blood stagnation, phlegm or injuries, but Qi... Qi > > > > > slows down, get > > > > > stuck -obstructed , or too weak to move... Rx : > > > > > Remove and regulate > > > > > obstruction if obstructed, strenghten if Qi is too > > > > > weak... Phlegm are > > > > > cause by Qi weakness or obstruction. > > > > > PHLEGM -again , from Qi stagnation, weakness, > > > > > unable to transform > > > > > SWOLEN ( Qi and blood stagnation , but Qi is the > > > > > main factor. Do > > > > > think about Qi first -use Qi to destroying > > > > > obstruction or transfer the > > > > > obstruction into different forms- softer, smaller, > > > > > or melting ... ) > > > > > EDEMA - fluid accumulation ( Qi weakness or some > > > > > obstruction which > > > > > is unable to transform food or Gu Qi or body fluid > > > > > then edema forms ) > > > > > DAMP ( same as phlegm , swollen, edema > > > > > ............ ) > > > > > > > > > > TO ME : EVERYTHING HAPPENS GOOD OR BAD IS FROM QI. > > > > > Yin and yang in universe means nothing to me if > > > > > our body can not > > > > > utilize them. Ex : If you are dying and you are to > > > > > inject, drink or > > > > > eat some Yang ( energy, life-giving ) foods but > > > > > still dying, it does > > > > > not mean anything to you. > > > > > The most important thing to me is our energy > > > > > inside our body. Is it > > > > > strong enough to transform Yin into Yin or Yang > > > > > into Yang for our ( > > > > > life ) needs. If it does, it counts. So when we > > > > > are sick, ill, or > > > > > terminally ill, my question is : Can we absorb any > > > > > energy ( live > > > > > giving support ) to save our life ? How can we > > > > > absorb them ? Is that > > > > > because we still have our breath to receive energy > > > > > ? The energy which > > > > > is very very weak, but somehow is still able > > > > > receive and transform any > > > > > giving energy outside of our body into our fuel > > > > > -living energy which > > > > > our life will hold on. > > > > > If terminal illness can be treated, we should have > > > > > confident in > > > > > pain, edema, highblood pressure ( accumulation of > > > > > cholesterol, fats, > > > > > calcium or something obstructed the vessels ... > > > > > too much pressure- > > > > > energy? ), overweight ( accumulation , Qi not > > > > > transform food into > > > > > fuel ), infection ( Qi not strong enough to defend > > > > > invaders ... ).... > > > > > should we ????????????? > > > > > Why should every one look for heat, cold , > > > > > interior, exterior , > > > > > deficiency or excess at this point ? We know that > > > > > if our energy is > > > > > weak --> tired, listless, fatigue... If > > > > > obstruction --> pain and other > > > > > accumulation... If we are dying, we know our enery > > > > > is not refueling > > > > > or it is giving up of receiving or transforming. > > > > > REMEMBER OUR QI ....... QI , QI , QI. This is what > > > > > counts, not > > > > > other. But we should understand Yin and yang , Qi > > > > > and Blood > > > > > thoroughly. They won't hurt , but will help us > > > > > more if we know more. > > > > > > > > > > IF WE UNDERSTAND QI, THERE SHOULD BE NO PROBLEM TO > > > > > LEARN YOUR > > > > > PULSES................... > > > > > > > > > > LET 'S SEE IT in an example, and please help me , > > > > > friends !!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > PULSE is deep , middle or floating ... > > > > > Why it is deep ? because my Qi senses something > > > > > wrong deep inside ( > > > > > interior prob ? ) > > > > > Why it is in the middle ? My Qi senses something > > > > > in the blood, > > > > > muscles, tendons, something in the middle ( Qi and > > > > > blood prob? ) > > > > > Why it is floating ? My Qi is sensing something > > > > > out side,it goes > > > > > up and looks for something or try to defend for my > > > > > body ( exterior pro ? ) > > > > > Why slippery - because no obstruction. > > > > > Why hesistate - because it can not move smoothly, > > > > > there must be > > > > > obstruction, weak qi ( not strong enough to move > > > > > -- hesistation too. > > > > > body fluid or blood is too thick or too lillte --> > > > > > not moving smoothly > > > > > then it will cause hesitation too. .. ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IF WE ALL GET THE PICTURE AS THE ABOVE SAMPLES I > > > > > THINK WE WILL > > > > > ENJOY OUR THEORY AND WE CAN BE SOME SCIENTISTS > > > > > SOMEDAY !!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > GOOD LUCK, everybody !!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE HELP ME IF I AM WRONG. I AM HERE TO SHARE > > > > > AND TO LEARN WITH ALL > > > > > OF YOU. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > Nam Nguyen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos > > new Car > > > > Finder tool. > > > > http://autos./carfinder/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > aka Mu bong Lim > > > Father of Bhakti > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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