Guest guest Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 yehuda, this sounds interesting. Did you study NAET first? How did you learn this? I did make similar observations about fibro clients; I usually just advice them to eliminate wheat, sugar, and yeast; and a lot of them get significant benefits from that. But many are also unwilling to restrict their diets in this way, which is the reason that I became interested in NAET, but I have not studied it yet and thought I look around a bit more first. Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angela.pf Phone: 503 364 3022 - yehuda frischman Chinese Medicine Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:58 AM Re: fibromyalgia I've discussed this previously on a couple of occasions (in this group, I think), and please don't judge this as reductionism or oversimplification, but, virtually every patient I have treated who has suffered from fibromyalgia has turned out to have food sensitivities or allergies. Using the bioset method to determine their reactive foods, and then either eliminate or desensitize, I have had tremendous success, BS " D, in eliminating the " fibromyalgia " . (However, I must add, that this is not in a vacuum, and always I take a complete history, determine a differential diagnosis and treat the patterns). If interested in reading more about this method see the page on my website: http://traditionaljewishmedicine.net/ that addressed food allergies, and feel free to contact me privately. Sincerely, Yehuda anne.crowley wrote: Don't Torpedo me, but from a 5E perspective I see a lot of earth in these patients. Even if I don't classify them as an Earth Constitutional type, I see dampness in the muscles, and of course I treat the dampness. Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- < > HI Avishay, > > I can't answer your question about e-stim, but I do have a number of " favorite " > points I use with fibromyalgia patients. Having fibromyalgia myself, I feel I > have a good sense of what works and what doesn't. I just haven't used e-stim, > so I can't comment on it. > > The points I use regularly are Liv-3, LI-4, ST-36, and the NADA points in the > ear: shenmen, sympathetic, liver, lung, and kidney. Depending on what else is > going on, I also commonly add LI-11, LI-10, PC-6, GB-41, SP-6 and KI-3, with > other points as necessary. I keep it simple with 10-15 minutes of retention, > and get good results such as overall reduction in pain, increased energy, > improved sleep and lessened anxiety. > > Good luck with your study. I'd love to see the results. > > > > avishay_yamin <avishay_yamin wrote: Hi evrybody > > my question is about the use of electro acupuncture an FMS paitients. > > i am going to make a research about the influence of acupuncture on > fibromyalgia patients in a hospital in israel. untill today i have > never used electro acupuncture on FMS paitients since a big part of > them are very tierd as well and i thought regular acupuncture > without electro should be enough. > > on the few reserches that have been done untill today, the best > results was achived by using electro acupuncture and i wanted to ask > you if you dont think that electro can make these patients even more > tierd? > > another thing i wanted to ask about electro acu. and FMS is on which > points do you put the electro wires on? do you put it on tender > points or do you put it on points that works in a more systemic way > such as: LIV 3 to spread QI stagnation or SP9 to eliminate dampness > > another question is about FMS and Abdominal acupuncture. to those of > you who are practecing abdominal acupuncture and have used on FMS > paitients, what is your results? > > thanks > avishay > > > > Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at Times > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, > http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > and adjust > accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group > requires prior permission from the author. > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely > necessary. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Hi Angela, I was generally unenthusiastic about NAET, as those I had spoken to had indicated that the results were only temporary. Ellen Cutler, DC, who developed Bioset, is into all kinds of other stuff such as EAV testing and enzymes, which I have little interest in, but the idea of auto-immune dysfunction manifesting as reactivity to one's own blood struck a chord with me. Basically I read her first book, The Food allergy cure, and though I found most of it to be oriented to lay people and quite boring, when she indicated that she reimforced the desensitization, by pressing on specific acupuncture points, I asked myself, " well why not just needle those points in rapid succession, instead? " My result has been nothing short of amazing. Also, BTW, I find it interesting that generally the body will not hold a desensitization to something that is an unhealthy food. All the best, Yehuda " Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. " <angela.pf wrote: yehuda, this sounds interesting. Did you study NAET first? How did you learn this? I did make similar observations about fibro clients; I usually just advice them to eliminate wheat, sugar, and yeast; and a lot of them get significant benefits from that. But many are also unwilling to restrict their diets in this way, which is the reason that I became interested in NAET, but I have not studied it yet and thought I look around a bit more first. Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angela.pf Phone: 503 364 3022 - yehuda frischman Chinese Medicine Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:58 AM Re: fibromyalgia I've discussed this previously on a couple of occasions (in this group, I think), and please don't judge this as reductionism or oversimplification, but, virtually every patient I have treated who has suffered from fibromyalgia has turned out to have food sensitivities or allergies. Using the bioset method to determine their reactive foods, and then either eliminate or desensitize, I have had tremendous success, BS " D, in eliminating the " fibromyalgia " . (However, I must add, that this is not in a vacuum, and always I take a complete history, determine a differential diagnosis and treat the patterns). If interested in reading more about this method see the page on my website: http://traditionaljewishmedicine.net/ that addressed food allergies, and feel free to contact me privately. Sincerely, Yehuda anne.crowley wrote: Don't Torpedo me, but from a 5E perspective I see a lot of earth in these patients. Even if I don't classify them as an Earth Constitutional type, I see dampness in the muscles, and of course I treat the dampness. Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- < > HI Avishay, > > I can't answer your question about e-stim, but I do have a number of " favorite " > points I use with fibromyalgia patients. Having fibromyalgia myself, I feel I > have a good sense of what works and what doesn't. I just haven't used e-stim, > so I can't comment on it. > > The points I use regularly are Liv-3, LI-4, ST-36, and the NADA points in the > ear: shenmen, sympathetic, liver, lung, and kidney. Depending on what else is > going on, I also commonly add LI-11, LI-10, PC-6, GB-41, SP-6 and KI-3, with > other points as necessary. I keep it simple with 10-15 minutes of retention, > and get good results such as overall reduction in pain, increased energy, > improved sleep and lessened anxiety. > > Good luck with your study. I'd love to see the results. > > > > avishay_yamin <avishay_yamin wrote: Hi evrybody > > my question is about the use of electro acupuncture an FMS paitients. > > i am going to make a research about the influence of acupuncture on > fibromyalgia patients in a hospital in israel. untill today i have > never used electro acupuncture on FMS paitients since a big part of > them are very tierd as well and i thought regular acupuncture > without electro should be enough. > > on the few reserches that have been done untill today, the best > results was achived by using electro acupuncture and i wanted to ask > you if you dont think that electro can make these patients even more > tierd? > > another thing i wanted to ask about electro acu. and FMS is on which > points do you put the electro wires on? do you put it on tender > points or do you put it on points that works in a more systemic way > such as: LIV 3 to spread QI stagnation or SP9 to eliminate dampness > > another question is about FMS and Abdominal acupuncture. to those of > you who are practecing abdominal acupuncture and have used on FMS > paitients, what is your results? > > thanks > avishay > > > > Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at Times > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, > http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > and adjust > accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group > requires prior permission from the author. > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely > necessary. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Yehuda, if I understand you correctly, you read the book and were able to apply this; assuming that you know how to perform muscle testing accurately? Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angela.pf Phone: 503 364 3022 - yehuda frischman Chinese Medicine Friday, August 03, 2007 1:40 AM Re: bioset Hi Angela, I was generally unenthusiastic about NAET, as those I had spoken to had indicated that the results were only temporary. Ellen Cutler, DC, who developed Bioset, is into all kinds of other stuff such as EAV testing and enzymes, which I have little interest in, but the idea of auto-immune dysfunction manifesting as reactivity to one's own blood struck a chord with me. Basically I read her first book, The Food allergy cure, and though I found most of it to be oriented to lay people and quite boring, when she indicated that she reimforced the desensitization, by pressing on specific acupuncture points, I asked myself, " well why not just needle those points in rapid succession, instead? " My result has been nothing short of amazing. Also, BTW, I find it interesting that generally the body will not hold a desensitization to something that is an unhealthy food. All the best, Yehuda " Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. " <angela.pf wrote: yehuda, this sounds interesting. Did you study NAET first? How did you learn this? I did make similar observations about fibro clients; I usually just advice them to eliminate wheat, sugar, and yeast; and a lot of them get significant benefits from that. But many are also unwilling to restrict their diets in this way, which is the reason that I became interested in NAET, but I have not studied it yet and thought I look around a bit more first. Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angela.pf Phone: 503 364 3022 - yehuda frischman Chinese Medicine Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:58 AM Re: fibromyalgia I've discussed this previously on a couple of occasions (in this group, I think), and please don't judge this as reductionism or oversimplification, but, virtually every patient I have treated who has suffered from fibromyalgia has turned out to have food sensitivities or allergies. Using the bioset method to determine their reactive foods, and then either eliminate or desensitize, I have had tremendous success, BS " D, in eliminating the " fibromyalgia " . (However, I must add, that this is not in a vacuum, and always I take a complete history, determine a differential diagnosis and treat the patterns). If interested in reading more about this method see the page on my website: http://traditionaljewishmedicine.net/ that addressed food allergies, and feel free to contact me privately. Sincerely, Yehuda anne.crowley wrote: Don't Torpedo me, but from a 5E perspective I see a lot of earth in these patients. Even if I don't classify them as an Earth Constitutional type, I see dampness in the muscles, and of course I treat the dampness. Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- < > HI Avishay, > > I can't answer your question about e-stim, but I do have a number of " favorite " > points I use with fibromyalgia patients. Having fibromyalgia myself, I feel I > have a good sense of what works and what doesn't. I just haven't used e-stim, > so I can't comment on it. > > The points I use regularly are Liv-3, LI-4, ST-36, and the NADA points in the > ear: shenmen, sympathetic, liver, lung, and kidney. Depending on what else is > going on, I also commonly add LI-11, LI-10, PC-6, GB-41, SP-6 and KI-3, with > other points as necessary. I keep it simple with 10-15 minutes of retention, > and get good results such as overall reduction in pain, increased energy, > improved sleep and lessened anxiety. > > Good luck with your study. I'd love to see the results. > > > > avishay_yamin <avishay_yamin wrote: Hi evrybody > > my question is about the use of electro acupuncture an FMS paitients. > > i am going to make a research about the influence of acupuncture on > fibromyalgia patients in a hospital in israel. untill today i have > never used electro acupuncture on FMS paitients since a big part of > them are very tierd as well and i thought regular acupuncture > without electro should be enough. > > on the few reserches that have been done untill today, the best > results was achived by using electro acupuncture and i wanted to ask > you if you dont think that electro can make these patients even more > tierd? > > another thing i wanted to ask about electro acu. and FMS is on which > points do you put the electro wires on? do you put it on tender > points or do you put it on points that works in a more systemic way > such as: LIV 3 to spread QI stagnation or SP9 to eliminate dampness > > another question is about FMS and Abdominal acupuncture. to those of > you who are practecing abdominal acupuncture and have used on FMS > paitients, what is your results? > > thanks > avishay > > > > Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at Times > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, > http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > and adjust > accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group > requires prior permission from the author. > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely > necessary. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Dear Angela, I have been doing muscle testing for over 20 years. It's quite easy to do, but to be really accurate takes a sensitivity which has taken me many years to develop. Maybe it's easier for others, who knows. It is very accurate, but requires a complete negation of ego, agendas or preconceived notions about what is good for your patient. I applied what I know to what I learned from Cutler's book, added my own touches, and voila! A wonderful tool that has been very helpful to complement my practice. All the best, Yehuda " Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. " <angela.pf wrote: Yehuda, if I understand you correctly, you read the book and were able to apply this; assuming that you know how to perform muscle testing accurately? Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angela.pf Phone: 503 364 3022 - yehuda frischman Chinese Medicine Friday, August 03, 2007 1:40 AM Re: bioset Hi Angela, I was generally unenthusiastic about NAET, as those I had spoken to had indicated that the results were only temporary. Ellen Cutler, DC, who developed Bioset, is into all kinds of other stuff such as EAV testing and enzymes, which I have little interest in, but the idea of auto-immune dysfunction manifesting as reactivity to one's own blood struck a chord with me. Basically I read her first book, The Food allergy cure, and though I found most of it to be oriented to lay people and quite boring, when she indicated that she reimforced the desensitization, by pressing on specific acupuncture points, I asked myself, " well why not just needle those points in rapid succession, instead? " My result has been nothing short of amazing. Also, BTW, I find it interesting that generally the body will not hold a desensitization to something that is an unhealthy food. All the best, Yehuda " Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. " <angela.pf wrote: yehuda, this sounds interesting. Did you study NAET first? How did you learn this? I did make similar observations about fibro clients; I usually just advice them to eliminate wheat, sugar, and yeast; and a lot of them get significant benefits from that. But many are also unwilling to restrict their diets in this way, which is the reason that I became interested in NAET, but I have not studied it yet and thought I look around a bit more first. Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angela.pf Phone: 503 364 3022 - yehuda frischman Chinese Medicine Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:58 AM Re: fibromyalgia I've discussed this previously on a couple of occasions (in this group, I think), and please don't judge this as reductionism or oversimplification, but, virtually every patient I have treated who has suffered from fibromyalgia has turned out to have food sensitivities or allergies. Using the bioset method to determine their reactive foods, and then either eliminate or desensitize, I have had tremendous success, BS " D, in eliminating the " fibromyalgia " . (However, I must add, that this is not in a vacuum, and always I take a complete history, determine a differential diagnosis and treat the patterns). If interested in reading more about this method see the page on my website: http://traditionaljewishmedicine.net/ that addressed food allergies, and feel free to contact me privately. Sincerely, Yehuda anne.crowley wrote: Don't Torpedo me, but from a 5E perspective I see a lot of earth in these patients. Even if I don't classify them as an Earth Constitutional type, I see dampness in the muscles, and of course I treat the dampness. Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- < > HI Avishay, > > I can't answer your question about e-stim, but I do have a number of " favorite " > points I use with fibromyalgia patients. Having fibromyalgia myself, I feel I > have a good sense of what works and what doesn't. I just haven't used e-stim, > so I can't comment on it. > > The points I use regularly are Liv-3, LI-4, ST-36, and the NADA points in the > ear: shenmen, sympathetic, liver, lung, and kidney. Depending on what else is > going on, I also commonly add LI-11, LI-10, PC-6, GB-41, SP-6 and KI-3, with > other points as necessary. I keep it simple with 10-15 minutes of retention, > and get good results such as overall reduction in pain, increased energy, > improved sleep and lessened anxiety. > > Good luck with your study. I'd love to see the results. > > > > avishay_yamin <avishay_yamin wrote: Hi evrybody > > my question is about the use of electro acupuncture an FMS paitients. > > i am going to make a research about the influence of acupuncture on > fibromyalgia patients in a hospital in israel. untill today i have > never used electro acupuncture on FMS paitients since a big part of > them are very tierd as well and i thought regular acupuncture > without electro should be enough. > > on the few reserches that have been done untill today, the best > results was achived by using electro acupuncture and i wanted to ask > you if you dont think that electro can make these patients even more > tierd? > > another thing i wanted to ask about electro acu. and FMS is on which > points do you put the electro wires on? do you put it on tender > points or do you put it on points that works in a more systemic way > such as: LIV 3 to spread QI stagnation or SP9 to eliminate dampness > > another question is about FMS and Abdominal acupuncture. to those of > you who are practecing abdominal acupuncture and have used on FMS > paitients, what is your results? > > thanks > avishay > > > > Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at Times > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, > http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > and adjust > accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group > requires prior permission from the author. > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely > necessary. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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