RE: Fibromyalgia as a shao yang disorder? (and chronic fatigue)

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Avishay,I agree with you that many patients with fibromyalgia have LV invading

SP as a pattern-- but this does not explain to me the frequent bouts of

illness.There was a recent article in the NY Times about chronic fatigue. The

CDC is speculating that exposure to certain viruses can trigger it. It is

interesting because most of my patients come in with diagnoses of fiibromyalgia

with chronic fatigue, although I'm not sure how the MDs decide which diagnosis

is primary.For a link to the article,

see:http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/17/science/17fatigue.html?ex=1342670400 & en=22\

5c2867dcd17ef4 & ei=5124 & partner=permalink & exprod=permalinkEmilyTo:

Chinese Medicine: avishay_yamin:

Sun, 29 Jul 2007 10:58:22 +0000 Re: Fibromyalgia as a shao yang

disorder?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi

 

the basic sindrom of FMS is liver invading spleen so it can explain

the SHAO YANG sin. you diagnose.

on top of the liv invading sp sindrom there can be damp, stasis,

kidney deficiency and so on but the basic sindrom is liver

stagnation invadig spleen.

you can read about it in the book : " the treatment of western modern

diseases by TCM " by jermy ross

 

avishay

 

Chinese Medicine , " Emily Konstan "

<emilylists wrote:

>

> I am wondering if anyone else has had a similar experience…

>

> At least 5 of my patients with fibromyalgia have presented with

many of the

> signs of a shao yang stage illness. They get a bad flu, get over

it, and

> then the fibromyalgia symptoms start. Over the course of their

years with

> fibromyalgia they have frequent illnesses (every couple of weeks)

consisting

> of alternating fever and chills, headache, irritability, nausea

and often

> bitter taste in the mouth and/or hypochondriac pain.

>

> In between their bouts of illness, they are generally fatigued and

achy.

> Most of them are not able to work as a result.

>

> I have had good success by treating them to clear the shao yang

level. I

> use points like GB 40, GV 14, BL 19, and the yang wei mai. I have

also

> tried prescribing Xiao Chai Hu Tang, but most of them refuse

herbs.

> Generally, the flu-like symptoms go away and do not recur after 5-

10

> treatments.

>

> Then, I focus of the underlying pattern (often Liver Qi stagnation

with

> heat, SP Qi deficiency with damp). These patients don't respond

as quickly

> to treatment as many of my other patients, but overall they are

willing to

> stick with it because they are making progress.

>

> Does anyone have patients like this? Or, does anyone have an

alternate

> explanation for these symptoms? Any thoughts on appropriate

herbal

> formulas?

>

> I did not learn shao yang as a possible pattern for fibromyalgia,

but there

> is an interesting article that mentions it: California Journal

of Oriental

> Medicine, Spring 2000 (Vol. 11 No. 2) " Modern Disorders and Shao

Yang

> Channels; Practical Application of Shao Yang Theory " by Yitian

Ni. Does

> anyone have other suggestions for reading up on shao yang

disorders or

> latent pathogens?

>

> Thanks,

> Emily

>

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