Fibromyalgia as a shao yang disorder?

July 25, 2007

I am wondering if anyone else has had a similar experience…

At least 5 of my patients with fibromyalgia have presented with many of the

signs of a shao yang stage illness. They get a bad flu, get over it, and

then the fibromyalgia symptoms start. Over the course of their years with

fibromyalgia they have frequent illnesses (every couple of weeks) consisting

of alternating fever and chills, headache, irritability, nausea and often

bitter taste in the mouth and/or hypochondriac pain.

In between their bouts of illness, they are generally fatigued and achy.

Most of them are not able to work as a result.

I have had good success by treating them to clear the shao yang level. I

use points like GB 40, GV 14, BL 19, and the yang wei mai. I have also

tried prescribing Xiao Chai Hu Tang, but most of them refuse herbs.

Generally, the flu-like symptoms go away and do not recur after 5-10

treatments.

Then, I focus of the underlying pattern (often Liver Qi stagnation with

heat, SP Qi deficiency with damp). These patients don’t respond as quickly

to treatment as many of my other patients, but overall they are willing to

stick with it because they are making progress.

Does anyone have patients like this? Or, does anyone have an alternate

explanation for these symptoms? Any thoughts on appropriate herbal

formulas?

I did not learn shao yang as a possible pattern for fibromyalgia, but there

is an interesting article that mentions it: California Journal of Oriental

Medicine, Spring 2000 (Vol. 11 No. 2) “Modern Disorders and Shao Yang

Channels; Practical Application of Shao Yang Theory “ by Yitian Ni. Does

anyone have other suggestions for reading up on shao yang disorders or

latent pathogens?

Thanks,

Emily

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July 29, 2007

Emily,

I think this is much more on the right track than treating

fibromyalgia with symptomatic acupuncture points. Fibromyalgia is

really a loose definition for a condition that is quite broad in

presentation, and to try to find acupuncture or herbal protocols to

fit the disease instead of the patient is a lost cause, in my

opinion. Shao yang disease is a good place to start looking at the

fibromyalgic phenomenon.

On Jul 25, 2007, at 11:00 AM, Emily Konstan wrote:

> I am wondering if anyone else has had a similar experience

>

> At least 5 of my patients with fibromyalgia have presented with

> many of the

> signs of a shao yang stage illness. They get a bad flu, get over

> it, and

> then the fibromyalgia symptoms start. Over the course of their

> years with

> fibromyalgia they have frequent illnesses (every couple of weeks)

> consisting

> of alternating fever and chills, headache, irritability, nausea and

> often

> bitter taste in the mouth and/or hypochondriac pain.

>

> In between their bouts of illness, they are generally fatigued and

> achy.

> Most of them are not able to work as a result.

>

> I have had good success by treating them to clear the shao yang

> level. I

> use points like GB 40, GV 14, BL 19, and the yang wei mai. I have

> also

> tried prescribing Xiao Chai Hu Tang, but most of them refuse herbs.

> Generally, the flu-like symptoms go away and do not recur after 5-10

> treatments.

>

> Then, I focus of the underlying pattern (often Liver Qi stagnation

> with

> heat, SP Qi deficiency with damp). These patients don’t respond as

> quickly

> to treatment as many of my other patients, but overall they are

> willing to

> stick with it because they are making progress.

>

> Does anyone have patients like this? Or, does anyone have an

> alternate

> explanation for these symptoms? Any thoughts on appropriate herbal

> formulas?

>

> I did not learn shao yang as a possible pattern for fibromyalgia,

> but there

> is an interesting article that mentions it: California Journal of

> Oriental

> Medicine, Spring 2000 (Vol. 11 No. 2) “Modern Disorders and Shao Yang

> Channels; Practical Application of Shao Yang Theory “ by Yitian

> Ni. Does

> anyone have other suggestions for reading up on shao yang disorders or

> latent pathogens?

>

> Thanks,

> Emily

>

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July 29, 2007

Hi

the basic sindrom of FMS is liver invading spleen so it can explain

the SHAO YANG sin. you diagnose.

on top of the liv invading sp sindrom there can be damp, stasis,

kidney deficiency and so on but the basic sindrom is liver

stagnation invadig spleen.

you can read about it in the book : " the treatment of western modern

diseases by TCM " by jermy ross

avishay

Chinese Medicine , " Emily Konstan "

<emilylists wrote:

>

> I am wondering if anyone else has had a similar experience…

>

> At least 5 of my patients with fibromyalgia have presented with

many of the

> signs of a shao yang stage illness. They get a bad flu, get over

it, and

> then the fibromyalgia symptoms start. Over the course of their

years with

> fibromyalgia they have frequent illnesses (every couple of weeks)

consisting

> of alternating fever and chills, headache, irritability, nausea

and often

> bitter taste in the mouth and/or hypochondriac pain.

>

> In between their bouts of illness, they are generally fatigued and

achy.

> Most of them are not able to work as a result.

>

> I have had good success by treating them to clear the shao yang

level. I

> use points like GB 40, GV 14, BL 19, and the yang wei mai. I have

also

> tried prescribing Xiao Chai Hu Tang, but most of them refuse

herbs.

> Generally, the flu-like symptoms go away and do not recur after 5-

10

> treatments.

>

> Then, I focus of the underlying pattern (often Liver Qi stagnation

with

> heat, SP Qi deficiency with damp). These patients don't respond

as quickly

> to treatment as many of my other patients, but overall they are

willing to

> stick with it because they are making progress.

>

> Does anyone have patients like this? Or, does anyone have an

alternate

> explanation for these symptoms? Any thoughts on appropriate

herbal

> formulas?

>

> I did not learn shao yang as a possible pattern for fibromyalgia,

but there

> is an interesting article that mentions it: California Journal

of Oriental

> Medicine, Spring 2000 (Vol. 11 No. 2) " Modern Disorders and Shao

Yang

> Channels; Practical Application of Shao Yang Theory " by Yitian

Ni. Does

> anyone have other suggestions for reading up on shao yang

disorders or