Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Hi, I have a new patient that is going to come and see him next week. I haven't seen him yet so I will give a precise description of his signs and symptoms and pattern after I see him but I wanted to ask a few things to the group before this. In terms of Western medicine, he suffered some damage to his carotide artery (not by accident, not sure what happened yet, only spoke to his mum), which deprived his brain of blood. As a results he has lost motor function on half of his body and his speech is very imperred (only says a few sounds). So he hasn't had a real stroke but the results is similar. When I was in China I saw a lot of Stroke patients being treated but they were seen very quickly. His damage happened about 18 months ago. In your experience is it likely that I might get improvement such a long time after it happened? One thing I saw done in China for stroke patients which speech damage was to bleed the sublingal veins. It had good results, but again was done within weeks of the stroke. Has anyone actually done this themselves? Any other ideas would be really welcomed. Thanks. May Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Hi All- I remember a while back there was a group of acupuncturists specializing in and having great success with patients who had strokes and other brain injuries. They were somewhere north of the San Diego area in California, and are all graduates of PCOM. Anyone remember who they are or where they are practicing? They did a presentation at PCOM's annual symposium about their success rate several years ago and would have good information for May. Alternatively, May, you could call PCOM and ask them if they could tell you the name of the clinic, or who did that presentation. PCOM's phone number is 800 729-0941. maylucken <maylucken wrote: Hi, I have a new patient that is going to come and see him next week. I haven't seen him yet so I will give a precise description of his signs and symptoms and pattern after I see him but I wanted to ask a few things to the group before this. In terms of Western medicine, he suffered some damage to his carotide artery (not by accident, not sure what happened yet, only spoke to his mum), which deprived his brain of blood. As a results he has lost motor function on half of his body and his speech is very imperred (only says a few sounds). So he hasn't had a real stroke but the results is similar. When I was in China I saw a lot of Stroke patients being treated but they were seen very quickly. His damage happened about 18 months ago. In your experience is it likely that I might get improvement such a long time after it happened? One thing I saw done in China for stroke patients which speech damage was to bleed the sublingal veins. It had good results, but again was done within weeks of the stroke. Has anyone actually done this themselves? Any other ideas would be really welcomed. Thanks. May Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at Times http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 and adjust accordingly. Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Hi Andrea, Thanks!! Will ring them now, see if they can find the information. May On 18/7/07 15:19, " " < wrote: > > > > > Hi All- > > I remember a while back there was a group of acupuncturists specializing in > and having great success with patients who had strokes and other brain > injuries. They were somewhere north of the San Diego area in California, and > are all graduates of PCOM. Anyone remember who they are or where they are > practicing? They did a presentation at PCOM's annual symposium about their > success rate several years ago and would have good information for May. > Alternatively, May, you could call PCOM and ask them if they could tell you > the name of the clinic, or who did that presentation. PCOM's phone number is > 800 729-0941. > > > > maylucken <maylucken <maylucken%40qi-clinic.com> > wrote: > Hi, > > I have a new patient that is going to come and see him next week. I haven't > seen him yet > so I will give a precise description of his signs and symptoms and pattern > after I see him > but I wanted to ask a few things to the group before this. > > In terms of Western medicine, he suffered some damage to his carotide artery > (not by > accident, not sure what happened yet, only spoke to his mum), which deprived > his brain of > blood. As a results he has lost motor function on half of his body and his > speech is very > imperred (only says a few sounds). So he hasn't had a real stroke but the > results is similar. > > When I was in China I saw a lot of Stroke patients being treated but they were > seen very > quickly. His damage happened about 18 months ago. > > In your experience is it likely that I might get improvement such a long time > after it > happened? > > One thing I saw done in China for stroke patients which speech damage was to > bleed the > sublingal veins. It had good results, but again was done within weeks of the > stroke. Has > anyone actually done this themselves? > > Any other ideas would be really welcomed. > > Thanks. > > May > > Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at Times > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, > http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > and adjust > accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group > requires prior permission from the author. > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely > necessary. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 For TCM patterns on stroke, see http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/wiki/Cerebrovascular_Accident_-_Zhong_Fe ng I studied with a stroke specialist in Beijing. She used a lot of needles, 20-40. Body points and scalp points were selected, with electric stimulation on scalp points, mainly the motor channel. She had great success with her treatments. People could talk and walk again. Kind regards, Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) BSc (Hons) TCM MBAcC Editor Times +44 (0) 1189 612512 enquiries <http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/> www.chinesemedicinetimes.com Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of May Lucken-Ardjomande 18 July 2007 16:37 Chinese Medicine Re: Stroke type patient Hi Andrea, Thanks!! Will ring them now, see if they can find the information. May On 18/7/07 15:19, " " < (AT) (DOT) <%40> com> wrote: > > > > > Hi All- > > I remember a while back there was a group of acupuncturists specializing in > and having great success with patients who had strokes and other brain > injuries. They were somewhere north of the San Diego area in California, and > are all graduates of PCOM. Anyone remember who they are or where they are > practicing? They did a presentation at PCOM's annual symposium about their > success rate several years ago and would have good information for May. > Alternatively, May, you could call PCOM and ask them if they could tell you > the name of the clinic, or who did that presentation. PCOM's phone number is > 800 729-0941. > > > > maylucken <maylucken@qi- <maylucken%40qi-clinic.com> clinic.com <maylucken%40qi-clinic.com> > wrote: > Hi, > > I have a new patient that is going to come and see him next week. I haven't > seen him yet > so I will give a precise description of his signs and symptoms and pattern > after I see him > but I wanted to ask a few things to the group before this. > > In terms of Western medicine, he suffered some damage to his carotide artery > (not by > accident, not sure what happened yet, only spoke to his mum), which deprived > his brain of > blood. As a results he has lost motor function on half of his body and his > speech is very > imperred (only says a few sounds). So he hasn't had a real stroke but the > results is similar. > > When I was in China I saw a lot of Stroke patients being treated but they were > seen very > quickly. His damage happened about 18 months ago. > > In your experience is it likely that I might get improvement such a long time > after it > happened? > > One thing I saw done in China for stroke patients which speech damage was to > bleed the > sublingal veins. It had good results, but again was done within weeks of the > stroke. Has > anyone actually done this themselves? > > Any other ideas would be really welcomed. > > Thanks. > > May > > Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at Times > http://www.chinesem <http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com> edicinetimes.com > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, > http://toolbar. <http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145> thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > http://groups. <> and adjust > accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group > requires prior permission from the author. > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely > necessary. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Hi Attilio. I'm sorry to say that your link doesn't seems to work... I for one am very interested! Could you pleas try again? note: I did log in to CMT, but even then no go... 2007/7/18, Attilio D'Alberto <attiliodalberto: > > For TCM patterns on stroke, see > > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/wiki/Cerebrovascular_Accident_-_Zhong_Fe > ng > > I studied with a stroke specialist in Beijing. She used a lot of needles, > 20-40. Body points and scalp points were selected, with electric > stimulation > on scalp points, mainly the motor channel. She had great success with her > treatments. People could talk and walk again. > > Kind regards, > > Attilio D'Alberto > Doctor of (Beijing, China) > BSc (Hons) TCM MBAcC > Editor > Times > +44 (0) 1189 612512 > enquiries <enquiries%40chinesemedicinetimes.com> > <http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/> www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > > Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > [Chinese Medicine <Traditional_Chinese_Medicin\ e%40>] > On Behalf Of May > Lucken-Ardjomande > 18 July 2007 16:37 > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > Re: Stroke type patient > > Hi Andrea, > > Thanks!! Will ring them now, see if they can find the information. > > May > > On 18/7/07 15:19, " " < (AT) (DOT) > <% <%25>40> com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All- > > > > I remember a while back there was a group of acupuncturists specializing > in > > and having great success with patients who had strokes and other brain > > injuries. They were somewhere north of the San Diego area in California, > and > > are all graduates of PCOM. Anyone remember who they are or where they > are > > practicing? They did a presentation at PCOM's annual symposium about > their > > success rate several years ago and would have good information for May. > > Alternatively, May, you could call PCOM and ask them if they could tell > you > > the name of the clinic, or who did that presentation. PCOM's phone > number > is > > 800 729-0941. > > > > > > > > maylucken <maylucken@qi- <maylucken% <maylucken%25> > 40qi-clinic.com> clinic.com > <maylucken% <maylucken%25>40qi-clinic.com> > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have a new patient that is going to come and see him next week. I > haven't > > seen him yet > > so I will give a precise description of his signs and symptoms and > pattern > > after I see him > > but I wanted to ask a few things to the group before this. > > > > In terms of Western medicine, he suffered some damage to his carotide > artery > > (not by > > accident, not sure what happened yet, only spoke to his mum), which > deprived > > his brain of > > blood. As a results he has lost motor function on half of his body and > his > > speech is very > > imperred (only says a few sounds). So he hasn't had a real stroke but > the > > results is similar. > > > > When I was in China I saw a lot of Stroke patients being treated but > they > were > > seen very > > quickly. His damage happened about 18 months ago. > > > > In your experience is it likely that I might get improvement such a long > time > > after it > > happened? > > > > One thing I saw done in China for stroke patients which speech damage > was > to > > bleed the > > sublingal veins. It had good results, but again was done within weeks of > the > > stroke. Has > > anyone actually done this themselves? > > > > Any other ideas would be really welcomed. > > > > Thanks. > > > > May > > > > Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at Times > > http://www.chinesem <http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com> > edicinetimes.com > > > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, > > http://toolbar. < > http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145> > thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > > > > http://groups. > <> > and adjust > > accordingly. > > > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the > group > > requires prior permission from the author. > > > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if > absolutely > > necessary. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Hi Daniel, I think the program cut the link. Here is a tiny version: http://tinyurl.com/39mt8j The homepage to this info source is www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/wiki/CMTpedia This project is still in development and will be rolled out in a few weeks. I'll give more info about it later on. Kind regards, Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) BSc (Hons) TCM MBAcC Editor Times +44 (0) 1189 612512 enquiries <http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/> www.chinesemedicinetimes.com Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Daniel Luz 18 July 2007 21:31 Chinese Medicine Re: Stroke type patient Hi Attilio. I'm sorry to say that your link doesn't seems to work... I for one am very interested! Could you pleas try again? note: I did log in to CMT, but even then no go... 2007/7/18, Attilio D'Alberto <attiliodalberto@ <attiliodalberto%40.co.uk> .co.uk>: > > For TCM patterns on stroke, see > > http://www.chinesem <http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/wiki/Cerebrovascular_Accident_-_Zhong_F e> edicinetimes.com/wiki/Cerebrovascular_Accident_-_Zhong_Fe > ng > > I studied with a stroke specialist in Beijing. She used a lot of needles, > 20-40. Body points and scalp points were selected, with electric > stimulation > on scalp points, mainly the motor channel. She had great success with her > treatments. People could talk and walk again. > > Kind regards, > > Attilio D'Alberto > Doctor of (Beijing, China) > BSc (Hons) TCM MBAcC > Editor > Times > +44 (0) 1189 612512 > enquiries@chineseme <enquiries%40chinesemedicinetimes.com> dicinetimes.com <enquiries%40chinesemedicinetimes.com> > <http://www.chinesem <http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/> edicinetimes.com/> www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > > Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%40> Chinese_Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40. com> > [Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%40> Chinese_Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40. com>] > On Behalf Of May > Lucken-Ardjomande > 18 July 2007 16:37 > Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%40> Chinese_Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40. com> > Re: Stroke type patient > > Hi Andrea, > > Thanks!! Will ring them now, see if they can find the information. > > May > > On 18/7/07 15:19, " " < (AT) (DOT) > <% <%25>40> com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All- > > > > I remember a while back there was a group of acupuncturists specializing > in > > and having great success with patients who had strokes and other brain > > injuries. They were somewhere north of the San Diego area in California, > and > > are all graduates of PCOM. Anyone remember who they are or where they > are > > practicing? They did a presentation at PCOM's annual symposium about > their > > success rate several years ago and would have good information for May. > > Alternatively, May, you could call PCOM and ask them if they could tell > you > > the name of the clinic, or who did that presentation. PCOM's phone > number > is > > 800 729-0941. > > > > > > > > maylucken <maylucken@qi- <maylucken% <maylucken%25> > 40qi-clinic.com> clinic.com > <maylucken% <maylucken%25>40qi-clinic.com> > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have a new patient that is going to come and see him next week. I > haven't > > seen him yet > > so I will give a precise description of his signs and symptoms and > pattern > > after I see him > > but I wanted to ask a few things to the group before this. > > > > In terms of Western medicine, he suffered some damage to his carotide > artery > > (not by > > accident, not sure what happened yet, only spoke to his mum), which > deprived > > his brain of > > blood. As a results he has lost motor function on half of his body and > his > > speech is very > > imperred (only says a few sounds). So he hasn't had a real stroke but > the > > results is similar. > > > > When I was in China I saw a lot of Stroke patients being treated but > they > were > > seen very > > quickly. His damage happened about 18 months ago. > > > > In your experience is it likely that I might get improvement such a long > time > > after it > > happened? > > > > One thing I saw done in China for stroke patients which speech damage > was > to > > bleed the > > sublingal veins. It had good results, but again was done within weeks of > the > > stroke. Has > > anyone actually done this themselves? > > > > Any other ideas would be really welcomed. > > > > Thanks. > > > > May > > > > Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at Times > > http://www.chinesem <http://www.chinesem <http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com> edicinetimes.com> > edicinetimes.com > > > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, > > http://toolbar. < > http://toolbar. <http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145> thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145> > thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > > > > http://groups. > <http://groups. <> > > and adjust > > accordingly. > > > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the > group > > requires prior permission from the author. > > > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if > absolutely > > necessary. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 Hi May, I have treated many stroke patients and still have some patients under my treatment at this time, include a 13 years old girl. One of my current patient is 60 years old lady who had her stroke 5 months ago when the first time she saw me. I thought I couldn't help her much because the duration of her stroke, but after 6 treatments, now she can walk again. I was pessimistic at first because usually I gain the best result during the first three months. Since your patient had his stroke 18 months ago, I would say it takes a miracle. If you can't heal him from the stroke, at least you could make him feel better with acupuncture, like some sleep improvement, better " digestion " , etc. Cheers, Yandy Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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