Ba Ji Yin Yang Wan and gynecomastia

July 17, 2007

Dear Friends, Colleagues and Teachers,

An 85 year old male patient had been using in his protocol the medicine in

pill form: Ba Ji Yin Yang Wan for the past 3 weeks. The ingredients are: Ba

ji tian, Shu di huang, Yin yang huo, Shan yao, Bai shao, Gou ji, Xu duan, Lian

zi, Shan zhu yu, Jin ying zi, Gou qi zi, Du zhong, Dang gui. During that 3 week

period, he noticed that he started growing breasts. I know that there are some

estrogenic herbs in the formula, particularly Dang Gui, but I hadn't seen this

response before. Has anyone else come across this phenomenon? BTW, I plan on

introducing some androgenic herbs such as Hai Ma over the short term. Comments?

Y

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July 17, 2007

HI Yehuda,

Isn't Hei Ma an endangered species?

Trevor

, yehuda frischman

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>

> Dear Friends, Colleagues and Teachers,

>

> An 85 year old male patient had been using in his protocol the

medicine in pill form: Ba Ji Yin Yang Wan for the past 3 weeks. The

ingredients are: Ba ji tian, Shu di huang, Yin yang huo, Shan yao,

Bai shao, Gou ji, Xu duan, Lian zi, Shan zhu yu, Jin ying zi, Gou qi

zi, Du zhong, Dang gui. During that 3 week period, he noticed that

he started growing breasts. I know that there are some estrogenic

herbs in the formula, particularly Dang Gui, but I hadn't seen this

response before. Has anyone else come across this phenomenon? BTW,

I plan on introducing some androgenic herbs such as Hai Ma over the

short term. Comments?

>

> Y

>

> Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative

vehicles.

> Visit the Auto Green Center.

>

July 17, 2007

Where is the pill manufactured? One of the first things I would look

into is the possible contamination of the pill with pharmaceuticals.

It seems unlikely that an individual could get enough of any natural

hormone from a patent pill given that they are usually way under-

dosed WRT raw herbals.

-Steve

On Jul 17, 2007, at 3:57 AM, yehuda frischman wrote:

> Dear Friends, Colleagues and Teachers,

>

> An 85 year old male patient had been using in his protocol the

> medicine in pill form: Ba Ji Yin Yang Wan for the past 3 weeks. The

> ingredients are: Ba ji tian, Shu di huang, Yin yang huo, Shan yao,

> Bai shao, Gou ji, Xu duan, Lian zi, Shan zhu yu, Jin ying zi, Gou

> qi zi, Du zhong, Dang gui. During that 3 week period, he noticed

> that he started growing breasts. I know that there are some

> estrogenic herbs in the formula, particularly Dang Gui, but I

> hadn't seen this response before. Has anyone else come across this

> phenomenon? BTW, I plan on introducing some androgenic herbs such

> as Hai Ma over the short term. Comments?

>

> Y

>

> Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles.

> Visit the Auto Green Center.

>

July 17, 2007

Hi Steve,

It's a Plum Flower formula from Mayway, so I don't think there is a problem

with contamination or alteration:

www.mayway.com/general/in_plum_flower.htm

I have been treating the patient for about 3 months, and this side effect only

occurred after I began Ba Ji Yin Yang Wan. He stopped it last Thursday, so I'm

going to check with him to see if the symptom has reversed.

Yehuda

Stephen Bonzak <stephenbonzak wrote: