Pete Thiessen/grads not practicing

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Hi All-I have a couple thoughts--one is that I think that it is to be

expected that a career in an " alternative " health profession would be

less likely to have a high success rate than other professions. The

other thought is that I think we'd all be surprised to see how few

people succeed in any profession.

 

I received an MSW prior to going into Chinese medicine, and so I

sometimes felt down on myself for having " failed " at my first career

(particularly because I went deeply in debt for grad school at Boston

University--I enjoyed MSW work but knew it wasn't what I felt

passionate enough about to continue forever). Therefore I found

myself paying attention whenever statistics came out on this kind of

thing and I discovered that I was actually a huge success in my field

because the vast majority of people in most professions are not in

their field anymore after 5 years, and another large percent never

even have one job in their field. I was successfully employed for 5

years after I got my MSW, so that was comforting to me. But the point

is that the statistics show that it is a gamble to go into any field.

However, I think that most of the time the path that eventually is

settled on turns out to be related (as in my case---my MSW work has

everything to do with why I've been successful in my TCM clinic).

 

Just a few thoughts--

 

Laura

 

 

Chinese Medicine , mike Bowser

<naturaldoc1 wrote:

>

> Zev,

>

> So then why was he allowed continuing access if he has retired? I

thought this forum

> was for practitioners/students. From time to time, I have found it

odd that

> many in our profession have difficulty with acknowledging reality of

others (majority?)

> and the way things stand (ie, a majority of grads are not practicing

for long after school).

> I guess I was hoping to hear some acknowledgement of this problem

and also a discussion

> as to suggestions that could help, both for schools and LAc. As for

junk mail, I find a lot

> of discussions on this forum get deleted as such (sorry). Nice to

hear from you again. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

>

>

> : zrosenbe: Thu, 12 Jul 2007

20:53:01 -0700Re: Re: Pete Thiessen

>

>

>

>

> Mike,While I had no problem with Pete personally, this thread was

interminable, we'd been down this road before not too many months ago

with the same subject, same person, and Pete also retired from

practice some time ago. My opinion was that this thread was out of

control, and generating a lot of junk mail in the process.Z'ev

RosenbergOn Jul 12, 2007, at 8:34 PM, mike Bowser wrote:> I would

agree with Hugo on this as well. When the subject matter > becomes>

uncomfortable we tend to ignore the realities of it. I have heard >

many times> the numbers of practicing grads is not really that

impressive after > 5 years.> Instead of blasting him, I think we

should have acknowledged his > experience> and then start looking for

solutions to help others. I have been > involved in> a couple of

different schools and find that it appears these > students do not>

seem to understand what it takes, at least from a business stand >

point and> I would question their ability to do well. Mike W. Bowser,

L Ac>> > Chinese Medicine:subincor > e: Thu,

12 Jul 2007 20:30:51 +0000Re: Re: Pete Thiessen>> Hi

all...I'm with Alon on this one. Hit the delete key...I erase > most

of the threads anyway !! :DBut seriously, I am disappointed > that

Pete was banned. Things seemed to have gone really badly for > him,

and he is understandably angry about it. A temporary, > compassionate,

ban (a time-out, if you will) might have been more > appropriate. Does

the software do that, or was it coded by someone > with a more

draconian bent?In any case, I understand how difficult > bitterness is

to handle...at the same time, I am surprised at the > list. We're

supposed to be healers here...? But then, who knows, > banning could

create a healing effect...but was that the intent...? > What I saw was

a lot of people trying to shut him down, and very > very few trying to

listen and support. I'm not surprised it turned > ugly.In any case, I

am still disappointed. Poo poo on all of > you.Hugo----- Original

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I think we need to be careful about making broad claims about

professional success. There are many people, my father included, who

made their education work for them in practice. I would like to see

where you are getting your stats from. Can you please share this?Mike W.

Bowser, L Ac

 

 

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Sat, 14 Jul 2007 07:40:07 +0000Re: Pete Thiessen/grads not

practicing

 

 

 

 

Hi All-I have a couple thoughts--one is that I think that it is to beexpected

that a career in an " alternative " health profession would beless likely to have

a high success rate than other professions. Theother thought is that I think

we'd all be surprised to see how fewpeople succeed in any profession. I received

an MSW prior to going into Chinese medicine, and so Isometimes felt down on

myself for having " failed " at my first career(particularly because I went deeply

in debt for grad school at BostonUniversity--I enjoyed MSW work but knew it

wasn't what I feltpassionate enough about to continue forever). Therefore I

foundmyself paying attention whenever statistics came out on this kind ofthing

and I discovered that I was actually a huge success in my fieldbecause the vast

majority of people in most professions are not intheir field anymore after 5

years, and another large percent nevereven have one job in their field. I was

successfully employed for 5years after I got my MSW, so that was comforting to

me. But the pointis that the statistics show that it is a gamble to go into any

field.However, I think that most of the time the path that eventually issettled

on turns out to be related (as in my case---my MSW work haseverything to do with

why I've been successful in my TCM clinic). Just a few thoughts-- Laura--- In

Chinese Medicine , mike Bowser<naturaldoc1

wrote:>> Zev,> > So then why was he allowed continuing access if he has retired?

Ithought this forum> was for practitioners/students. From time to time, I have

found itodd that> many in our profession have difficulty with acknowledging

reality ofothers (majority?)> and the way things stand (ie, a majority of grads

are not practicingfor long after school). > I guess I was hoping to hear some

acknowledgement of this problemand also a discussion> as to suggestions that

could help, both for schools and LAc. As forjunk mail, I find a lot> of

discussions on this forum get deleted as such (sorry). Nice tohear from you

again. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac> > > :

zrosenbe: Thu, 12 Jul 200720:53:01 -0700Re: Re: Pete

Thiessen> > > > > Mike,While I had no problem with Pete personally, this thread

wasinterminable, we'd been down this road before not too many months agowith the

same subject, same person, and Pete also retired frompractice some time ago. My

opinion was that this thread was out ofcontrol, and generating a lot of junk

mail in the process.Z'evRosenbergOn Jul 12, 2007, at 8:34 PM, mike Bowser

wrote:> I wouldagree with Hugo on this as well. When the subject matter >

becomes>uncomfortable we tend to ignore the realities of it. I have heard >many

times> the numbers of practicing grads is not really thatimpressive after > 5

years.> Instead of blasting him, I think weshould have acknowledged his >

experience> and then start looking forsolutions to help others. I have been >

involved in> a couple ofdifferent schools and find that it appears these >

students do not>seem to understand what it takes, at least from a business stand

>point and> I would question their ability to do well. Mike W. Bowser,L Ac>> To:

> Chinese Medicine:subincor > e: Thu,12 Jul 2007 20:30:51

+0000Re: Re: Pete Thiessen>> Hiall...I'm with Alon on this one.

Hit the delete key...I erase > mostof the threads anyway !! :DBut seriously, I

am disappointed > thatPete was banned. Things seemed to have gone really badly

for > him,and he is understandably angry about it. A temporary, >

compassionate,ban (a time-out, if you will) might have been more > appropriate.

Doesthe software do that, or was it coded by someone > with a moredraconian

bent?In any case, I understand how difficult > bitterness isto handle...at the

same time, I am surprised at the > list. We'resupposed to be healers here...?

But then, who knows, > banning couldcreate a healing effect...but was that the

intent...? > What I saw wasa lot of people trying to shut him down, and very >

very few trying tolisten and support. I'm not surprised it turned > ugly.In any

case, Iam still disappointed. Poo poo on all of > you.Hugo----- OriginalMessage

----Alon Marcus > <alonmarcusBillYou can alwayschoose to not read. To

me > its like all the ranting about media. Justchoose what you readAlon > Marcus

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