Pete Thiessen - See? Some gold came out of the Large Intestinal matter

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Hi all, thank you to everyone that responded as a result of my email. I agree

that something needed to be done about that original thread. Some people needed

to hit the delete button, some people needed to " step up " as Anne said, and so

on.

I would like to reiterate my point: plurality and heterogeneity (as Hugo

scrambles to bring this back to ). As good (or even excellent)

CM practitioners we need to be very skilful, sensitive, as well as appropriate,

in our actions. Very difficult. I would simply hope that anyone who did get a

" reaction " from Pete looks at themselves and what buttons they had triggered in

themselves - this only makes us bigger people, as we well know. And next time we

are faced with someone with a lot of metal, as Anne said, we might be able to

use some compassionate warmth to dull that blade (fire melts metal for those of

you in 1st year)... as well as serving to keep our own blade from coming out.

You can do this with needles too, you know.

On the other side, we do need to set boundaries. This is an expression of a

good and healthy Liver General, who I am guessing would be more like a nimble

and wise tai chi grandma or grandpa than a brawler, or even a calm bouncer. I

hope everyone knows that patients sometimes really do need to be fired - very

dangerous situations can result from maintaining a relationship that has grown

unhealthy or blocked. And at the same time, we cannot be firing every person

that irritates us or causes us to feel uncomfortable. Again, a fine balance.

 

A story from the Japanese tradition to finish my post off:

 

A soldier named Nobushige came to Hakuin and asked " Is there really a paradise

and a hell? "

" Who are you? " inquired Hakuin.

" I am a samurai. "

" You? A samurai? " Hakuin spat, " What kind of lord would have you as his guard?

You look like a beggar! "

Nobushige became so angry that he put his hand on his sword reflexively.

Hakuin continued - " So you have a sword, " he sneered, " that cheap piece of

metal probably couldn't cut through grass! "

As an enraged Nobushige began to draw his sword, Hakuin calmly uttered, " Here

open the gates of hell. "

At this point the samurai felt his anger transform to shame, and he withdrew,

resheathed his sword and bowed, eyes lowered.

" Here open the gates of paradise, " said Hakuin.

 

 

Thanks,

Hugo

 

 

 

Petra Buchanan <petrabuchanan

Chinese Medicine

Friday, 13 July, 2007 5:25:09 AM

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Thank you Roseanne

 

--- ra6151 wrote:

 

 

 

> I'd like to thank Bill for acknowledging that Pete

 

> has made many thinly

 

> veiled, insulting and derogatory remarks aimed at

 

> women (and also gays and lesbians

 

> in past rants). Yes, you can choose to delete

 

> these kind of messages so

 

> that you don't have to read them, but then who takes

 

> responsibility for the

 

> general 'pollution' of the airwaves? It does hurt

 

> women when remarks like that

 

> are made publicly, repeatedly. (remember Don Imus

 

> not too long ago). Slurs

 

> are not OK, and I think Pete knows exactly what he's

 

> doing; I think it's right

 

> to call him on it.

 

>

 

> --RoseAnne

 

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Hugo,

 

Nicely put, and I like the story...

 

Gordon.

 

On 7/13/07, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote:

>

> Hi all, thank you to everyone that responded as a result of my email. I

> agree that something needed to be done about that original thread. Some

> people needed to hit the delete button, some people needed to " step up " as

> Anne said, and so on.

> I would like to reiterate my point: plurality and heterogeneity (as Hugo

> scrambles to bring this back to ). As good (or even

> excellent) CM practitioners we need to be very skilful, sensitive, as well

> as appropriate, in our actions. Very difficult. I would simply hope that

> anyone who did get a " reaction " from Pete looks at themselves and what

> buttons they had triggered in themselves - this only makes us bigger people,

> as we well know. And next time we are faced with someone with a lot of

> metal, as Anne said, we might be able to use some compassionate warmth to

> dull that blade (fire melts metal for those of you in 1st year)... as well

> as serving to keep our own blade from coming out. You can do this with

> needles too, you know.

> On the other side, we do need to set boundaries. This is an expression of

> a good and healthy Liver General, who I am guessing would be more like a

> nimble and wise tai chi grandma or grandpa than a brawler, or even a calm

> bouncer. I hope everyone knows that patients sometimes really do need to be

> fired - very dangerous situations can result from maintaining a relationship

> that has grown unhealthy or blocked. And at the same time, we cannot be

> firing every person that irritates us or causes us to feel uncomfortable.

> Again, a fine balance.

>

> A story from the Japanese tradition to finish my post off:

>

> A soldier named Nobushige came to Hakuin and asked " Is there really a

> paradise and a hell? "

> " Who are you? " inquired Hakuin.

> " I am a samurai. "

> " You? A samurai? " Hakuin spat, " What kind of lord would have you as his

> guard? You look like a beggar! "

> Nobushige became so angry that he put his hand on his sword reflexively.

> Hakuin continued - " So you have a sword, " he sneered, " that cheap piece of

> metal probably couldn't cut through grass! "

> As an enraged Nobushige began to draw his sword, Hakuin calmly uttered,

> " Here open the gates of hell. "

> At this point the samurai felt his anger transform to shame, and he

> withdrew, resheathed his sword and bowed, eyes lowered.

> " Here open the gates of paradise, " said Hakuin.

>

> Thanks,

> Hugo

>

>

> Petra Buchanan <petrabuchanan <petrabuchanan%40>>

> To:

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> Friday, 13 July, 2007 5:25:09 AM

> Re: Re: Re: Pete Thiessen

>

> Thank you Roseanne

>

> --- ra6151 <ra6151%40aol.com> wrote:

>

> > I'd like to thank Bill for acknowledging that Pete

>

> > has made many thinly

>

> > veiled, insulting and derogatory remarks aimed at

>

> > women (and also gays and lesbians

>

> > in past rants). Yes, you can choose to delete

>

> > these kind of messages so

>

> > that you don't have to read them, but then who takes

>

> > responsibility for the

>

> > general 'pollution' of the airwaves? It does hurt

>

> > women when remarks like that

>

> > are made publicly, repeatedly. (remember Don Imus

>

> > not too long ago). Slurs

>

> > are not OK, and I think Pete knows exactly what he's

>

> > doing; I think it's right

>

> > to call him on it.

>

> >

>

> > --RoseAnne

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ************ ********* ********* ********

>

> > Get a sneak peak of the

>

> > all-new AOL at

>

> > http://discover. aol.com/memed/ aolcom30tour

>

> >

>

> >

>

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> > removed]

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> >

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