Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Pacific Botanicals carries it: http://www.pacificbotanicals.com/index.php?cid=106 & fc=S & so= - Bill , yehuda frischman < wrote: > > Dear friend, colleagues and teachers, > > Can anyone direct me to a reliable (preferrably organic) and reasonably priced source of Saw Palmetto berries? > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Dear friend, colleagues and teachers, Can anyone direct me to a reliable (preferrably organic) and reasonably priced source of Saw Palmetto berries? Thanks, Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Pacific Botanicals carries it: http://www.pacificbotanicals.com/index.php?cid=106 & fc=S & so= - Bill Chinese Medicine , yehuda frischman < wrote: > > Dear friend, colleagues and teachers, > > Can anyone direct me to a reliable (preferrably organic) and reasonably priced source of Saw Palmetto berries? > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I'm a big fan of http://www.starwest-botanicals.com/ they have amazing quality of herbs and best prices I have seen for wholesale purchases. Really large selection of organic and wildcrafted. bob www.acuherbals.com wrote: Dear friend, colleagues and teachers, Can anyone direct me to a reliable (preferrably organic) and reasonably priced source of Saw Palmetto berries? Thanks, Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Thanks Bill and Bob for the great sources. I've already placed my order. Y Bill Schoenbart <plantmed wrote: Pacific Botanicals carries it: http://www.pacificbotanicals.com/index.php?cid=106 & fc=S & so= - Bill Chinese Medicine , yehuda frischman < wrote: > > Dear friend, colleagues and teachers, > > Can anyone direct me to a reliable (preferrably organic) and reasonably priced source of Saw Palmetto berries? > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 On 7/12/07, wrote: > > . > > > www.mountainroseherbs.com and www.starwest-botanicals.com both have organic offerings. Starwest does have a wholesale program, mountain rose does not (and yet still has comparable pricing) and both are good companies (no personal financial bias on my part). J ________ Joy Keller, LAc, Dipl.OM Board Certified in Acupuncture & Oriental Medicine Ramona Acupuncture & Oriental Medicine Clinic Phone: (760) 654-1040 Fax: (760) 654-4019 www.RamonaAcupuncture.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Have you ever tasted them? If so, I doubt that you'd have many takers for them in decoction. One of those herbs that we can be grateful that it is commercially available in pills or alcoholic extracts. Michael Tierra www.planetherbs.com _____ On Behalf Of yehuda frischman Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:34 PM ; TCM saw palmetto berries Dear friend, colleagues and teachers, Can anyone direct me to a reliable (preferrably organic) and reasonably priced source of Saw Palmetto berries? Thanks, Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 I have, indeed. Personally, I find that herbs taken in decoction form work faster than pills, powders or alcoholic extracts. I add 9g saw palmetto to any formula for males with prostate problems, or urinary retention or obstruction. I warn my patients about the bitter unpalatable quality of decoctions in general, and advise them to take them with Kal brand pure stevia powder, which I find to be the only stevia that doesn't leave an unpleasant aftertaste. Yehuda Michael Tierra <mtierra wrote: Have you ever tasted them? If so, I doubt that you'd have many takers for them in decoction. One of those herbs that we can be grateful that it is commercially available in pills or alcoholic extracts. Michael Tierra www.planetherbs.com _____ On Behalf Of yehuda frischman Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:34 PM ; TCM saw palmetto berries Dear friend, colleagues and teachers, Can anyone direct me to a reliable (preferrably organic) and reasonably priced source of Saw Palmetto berries? Thanks, Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 I thought that Saw palmetto¹s active constituents were alcohol soluble, so that decoctions are not as effective. Michael, could you provide some clarity on that? Cara O. Frank, R.Ac, Dipl Ac & Ch.H. Six Fishes Healing Arts & President China Herb Company of the Chinese Herb Program Tai Sophia Institute of the Healing Arts 215-772-0770 Sun, 15 Jul 2007 00:33:51 -0700 (PDT) RE: saw palmetto berries I have, indeed. Personally, I find that herbs taken in decoction form work faster than pills, powders or alcoholic extracts. I add 9g saw palmetto to any formula for males with prostate problems, or urinary retention or obstruction. I warn my patients about the bitter unpalatable quality of decoctions in general, and advise them to take them with Kal brand pure stevia powder, which I find to be the only stevia that doesn't leave an unpleasant aftertaste. Yehuda Michael Tierra <mtierra <mtierra%40planetherbs.com> > wrote: Have you ever tasted them? If so, I doubt that you'd have many takers for them in decoction. One of those herbs that we can be grateful that it is commercially available in pills or alcoholic extracts. Michael Tierra www.planetherbs.com _____ <%40> [ <%40> ] On Behalf Of yehuda frischman Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:34 PM <%40> ; TCM saw palmetto berries Dear friend, colleagues and teachers, Can anyone direct me to a reliable (preferrably organic) and reasonably priced source of Saw Palmetto berries? Thanks, Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 You're right. Saw palmetto is not the yummiest herb around. The berries were consumed by the Native Americans and regardless of biochemistry, if something is decocted for a long time and in large quantity extraction will occur. Of course volatile substances would be lost. The best way to take them today is in concentrated capsule and dry extract. One more thing about native American herbs and Saw Palmetto is one of those. In most cases unless something was poisonous, they weren't concerned about dosage. People i've been with would load an entire pot full of the herb they were going to take and boil the living day lights out of it. For most herbs dosage represents standard minimum effective dose. I've found that Beta sitosterol, which is perhaps the most important component for regulating urinary function in Saw Palmetto is more effective for urinary frequency than most saw palmetto products I've seen. Michael Tierra www.planetherbs.com _____ On Behalf Of Cara Frank Sunday, July 15, 2007 4:52 AM Re: saw palmetto berries I thought that Saw palmetto¹s active constituents were alcohol soluble, so that decoctions are not as effective. Michael, could you provide some clarity on that? Cara O. Frank, R.Ac, Dipl Ac & Ch.H. Six Fishes Healing Arts & President China Herb Company of the Chinese Herb Program Tai Sophia Institute of the Healing Arts 215-772-0770 (AT) (DOT) <%40> com> <@ <%40> > Sun, 15 Jul 2007 00:33:51 -0700 (PDT) <@ <%40> > RE: saw palmetto berries I have, indeed. Personally, I find that herbs taken in decoction form work faster than pills, powders or alcoholic extracts. I add 9g saw palmetto to any formula for males with prostate problems, or urinary retention or obstruction. I warn my patients about the bitter unpalatable quality of decoctions in general, and advise them to take them with Kal brand pure stevia powder, which I find to be the only stevia that doesn't leave an unpleasant aftertaste. Yehuda Michael Tierra <mtierra@planetherbs <mtierra%40planetherbs.com> .com <mtierra%40planetherbs.com> > wrote: Have you ever tasted them? If so, I doubt that you'd have many takers for them in decoction. One of those herbs that we can be grateful that it is commercially available in pills or alcoholic extracts. Michael Tierra www.planetherbs.com _____ @ <%40> <%40> [@ <%40> <%40> ] On Behalf Of yehuda frischman Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:34 PM @ <%40> <%40> ; TCM saw palmetto berries Dear friend, colleagues and teachers, Can anyone direct me to a reliable (preferrably organic) and reasonably priced source of Saw Palmetto berries? Thanks, Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Yehuda, I'd be cautious using saw palmetto with damp heat conditions, as it seems to be very warm and acrid in nature. Also, without a history of usage in Chinese herbal medicine, combine it with other Chinese herbs in decoction has to be considered experimental, because of the potentially unfavorable interactions. If I ever use it, I use liquid extract given at a separate time from other herbs. On Jul 15, 2007, at 12:33 AM, yehuda frischman wrote: > I have, indeed. Personally, I find that herbs taken in decoction > form work faster than pills, powders or alcoholic extracts. I add > 9g saw palmetto to any formula for males with prostate problems, or > urinary retention or obstruction. I warn my patients about the > bitter unpalatable quality of decoctions in general, and advise > them to take them with Kal brand pure stevia powder, which I find > to be the only stevia that doesn't leave an unpleasant aftertaste. > > Yehuda > Michael Tierra <mtierra wrote: > Have you ever tasted them? If so, I doubt that you'd have many > takers for > them in decoction. One of those herbs that we can be grateful that > it is > commercially available in pills or alcoholic extracts. > Michael Tierra > www.planetherbs.com > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of yehuda > frischman > Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:34 PM > ; TCM > saw palmetto berries > > Dear friend, colleagues and teachers, > > Can anyone direct me to a reliable (preferrably organic) and > reasonably > priced source of Saw Palmetto berries? > > Thanks, > > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Hi Z'ev, I agree with you, but would characterize Saw Palmetto, indeed as warm and acrid, but also sweet. As such, though I would not use it unmodified for damp heat smoldering in the spleen, LI or UB, even there I think I would add it in a very small dose, say 3 g as a guide herb, in formulas such as Ba Zheng san or yin chen hao tang. But I would consider its usage in a larger dose, say 9g with indications similar to Rou Gui, when treating issues primarily relating to KD Yang xu, but also perhaps with the UB or SI where there might be cold. Respectfully, Yehuda <zrosenbe wrote: Yehuda, I'd be cautious using saw palmetto with damp heat conditions, as it seems to be very warm and acrid in nature. Also, without a history of usage in Chinese herbal medicine, combine it with other Chinese herbs in decoction has to be considered experimental, because of the potentially unfavorable interactions. If I ever use it, I use liquid extract given at a separate time from other herbs. On Jul 15, 2007, at 12:33 AM, yehuda frischman wrote: > I have, indeed. Personally, I find that herbs taken in decoction > form work faster than pills, powders or alcoholic extracts. I add > 9g saw palmetto to any formula for males with prostate problems, or > urinary retention or obstruction. I warn my patients about the > bitter unpalatable quality of decoctions in general, and advise > them to take them with Kal brand pure stevia powder, which I find > to be the only stevia that doesn't leave an unpleasant aftertaste. > > Yehuda > Michael Tierra <mtierra wrote: > Have you ever tasted them? If so, I doubt that you'd have many > takers for > them in decoction. One of those herbs that we can be grateful that > it is > commercially available in pills or alcoholic extracts. > Michael Tierra > www.planetherbs.com > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of yehuda > frischman > Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:34 PM > ; TCM > saw palmetto berries > > Dear friend, colleagues and teachers, > > Can anyone direct me to a reliable (preferrably organic) and > reasonably > priced source of Saw Palmetto berries? > > Thanks, > > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Yehuda, These are all interesting and possibly good ideas. I agree that saw palmetto is also sweet. I am not so sure about combining it with ba zheng san or yin chen hao tang, if its nature would balance the other ingredients in the prescriptions. My hit on Saw Palmetto is that it is valuable in vacuity cold conditions, but since a high percentage of prostate and urinary disorders involve some form of evil heat, one would have to be cautious in these situations. On Jul 17, 2007, at 8:36 PM, yehuda frischman wrote: > Hi Z'ev, > > I agree with you, but would characterize Saw Palmetto, indeed as > warm and acrid, but also sweet. As such, though I would not use it > unmodified for damp heat smoldering in the spleen, LI or UB, even > there I think I would add it in a very small dose, say 3 g as a > guide herb, in formulas such as Ba Zheng san or yin chen hao tang. > But I would consider its usage in a larger dose, say 9g with > indications similar to Rou Gui, when treating issues primarily > relating to KD Yang xu, but also perhaps with the UB or SI where > there might be cold. > > Respectfully, > > Yehuda > > <zrosenbe wrote: > Yehuda, > I'd be cautious using saw palmetto with damp heat conditions, as > it seems to be very warm and acrid in nature. Also, without a > history of usage in Chinese herbal medicine, combine it with other > Chinese herbs in decoction has to be considered experimental, because > of the potentially unfavorable interactions. If I ever use it, I use > liquid extract given at a separate time from other herbs. > > > On Jul 15, 2007, at 12:33 AM, yehuda frischman wrote: > > > I have, indeed. Personally, I find that herbs taken in decoction > > form work faster than pills, powders or alcoholic extracts. I add > > 9g saw palmetto to any formula for males with prostate problems, or > > urinary retention or obstruction. I warn my patients about the > > bitter unpalatable quality of decoctions in general, and advise > > them to take them with Kal brand pure stevia powder, which I find > > to be the only stevia that doesn't leave an unpleasant aftertaste. > > > > Yehuda > > Michael Tierra <mtierra wrote: > > Have you ever tasted them? If so, I doubt that you'd have many > > takers for > > them in decoction. One of those herbs that we can be grateful that > > it is > > commercially available in pills or alcoholic extracts. > > Michael Tierra > > www.planetherbs.com > > > > _____ > > > > > > On Behalf Of yehuda > > frischman > > Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:34 PM > > ; TCM > > saw palmetto berries > > > > Dear friend, colleagues and teachers, > > > > Can anyone direct me to a reliable (preferrably organic) and > > reasonably > > priced source of Saw Palmetto berries? > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > > Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Z'ev, I think the fact that it is sweet is revealing. I pick up that it not only treats vacuity cold, but perhaps also spleen vacuity presenting with damp accumulation. Again, using it as a guide herb, in a very small dosage, much like Chai Hu in Bu Zhong Yi Qi Tang, I suspect that it could guide the blocked Qi downward. And in a case of damp heat accummulation, we could add to our formula herbs such as Huang Bai and Ze Xie. All the best, Yehuda <zrosenbe wrote: Yehuda, These are all interesting and possibly good ideas. I agree that saw palmetto is also sweet. I am not so sure about combining it with ba zheng san or yin chen hao tang, if its nature would balance the other ingredients in the prescriptions. My hit on Saw Palmetto is that it is valuable in vacuity cold conditions, but since a high percentage of prostate and urinary disorders involve some form of evil heat, one would have to be cautious in these situations. On Jul 17, 2007, at 8:36 PM, yehuda frischman wrote: > Hi Z'ev, > > I agree with you, but would characterize Saw Palmetto, indeed as > warm and acrid, but also sweet. As such, though I would not use it > unmodified for damp heat smoldering in the spleen, LI or UB, even > there I think I would add it in a very small dose, say 3 g as a > guide herb, in formulas such as Ba Zheng san or yin chen hao tang. > But I would consider its usage in a larger dose, say 9g with > indications similar to Rou Gui, when treating issues primarily > relating to KD Yang xu, but also perhaps with the UB or SI where > there might be cold. > > Respectfully, > > Yehuda > > <zrosenbe wrote: > Yehuda, > I'd be cautious using saw palmetto with damp heat conditions, as > it seems to be very warm and acrid in nature. Also, without a > history of usage in Chinese herbal medicine, combine it with other > Chinese herbs in decoction has to be considered experimental, because > of the potentially unfavorable interactions. If I ever use it, I use > liquid extract given at a separate time from other herbs. > > > On Jul 15, 2007, at 12:33 AM, yehuda frischman wrote: > > > I have, indeed. Personally, I find that herbs taken in decoction > > form work faster than pills, powders or alcoholic extracts. I add > > 9g saw palmetto to any formula for males with prostate problems, or > > urinary retention or obstruction. I warn my patients about the > > bitter unpalatable quality of decoctions in general, and advise > > them to take them with Kal brand pure stevia powder, which I find > > to be the only stevia that doesn't leave an unpleasant aftertaste. > > > > Yehuda > > Michael Tierra <mtierra wrote: > > Have you ever tasted them? If so, I doubt that you'd have many > > takers for > > them in decoction. One of those herbs that we can be grateful that > > it is > > commercially available in pills or alcoholic extracts. > > Michael Tierra > > www.planetherbs.com > > > > _____ > > > > > > On Behalf Of yehuda > > frischman > > Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:34 PM > > ; TCM > > saw palmetto berries > > > > Dear friend, colleagues and teachers, > > > > Can anyone direct me to a reliable (preferrably organic) and > > reasonably > > priced source of Saw Palmetto berries? > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > > Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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