Some informations about Traditional Chinese Medicine jobs

[Guest guest]

On Monday 09 July 2007 06:57, carl ploss wrote:

> Dear Listmembers,

>

> Please see Sicko, the new Michael Moore film about healthcare.

 

Hi Carl!

 

It ran for about a week here, in about 9th place. If it comes to the dollar

screen I will see it, but with a showing as bad as 9th, it might not.

--

Regards,

 

Pete

http://www.pete-theisen.com/

[Guest guest]

On Monday 09 July 2007 07:21, acudoc wrote:

<snip>

> There is also the SBA, SCORE, the local colleges and vast amounts of

> businesses there to help us.

 

Hi Dr. Lee!

 

Are there? I personally had the SCORE and SBA experience. The SCORE guy sent

me all over to every bank in town. One banker told me that every business

that has had anything to do with SCORE or the SBA fails, but he didn't

elaborate. I thought that this couldn't be right, but it was.

 

Eventually the SBA arranged a $15,000 loan for me at credit card rates of

which I only actually received a little over $4000 at the last minute. Then

the SCORE guy advised me to consolidate my credit cards, and I followed his

advice. The consolidation company drew the money out of my account and then

failed to pay the payments, instead keeping the money for month, returning it

only when I notified the authorities about prosecuting them. Of course that

destroyed my credit.

 

I would have liked to have gotten just one good break . . .

--

Regards,

 

Pete

http://www.pete-theisen.com/

[Guest guest]

On Monday 09 July 2007 09:48, wrote:

> When I hired 2 stunning and friendly waitresses, our business almost

>doubled.

 

Hi Dr. John!

 

Well, if I ever again have the money I will get my hair styled and maybe a

facial. Too late I think, however . . .

--

Regards,

 

Pete

http://www.pete-theisen.com/

[Guest guest]

On Monday 09 July 2007 10:03, Petra Buchanan wrote:

> after a year out here I am doing very well and am happy with where I am at.

 

Hi Dr. Petra!

 

Great that it has finally worked out for you. I never had any money for the

website and did that all myself. Eventually I am going to refine the menu

system so people who are interested in TCM can see only that, people who like

the entertainment stuff can just see that, etc.

 

I spent a lot of money on conventional marketing and was very busy, but lost

money on every patient because the patients got better before they paid me

what it cost to attract them.

--

Regards,

 

Pete

http://www.pete-theisen.com/

[Guest guest]

On Monday 09 July 2007 11:14, stephen woodley wrote:

<snip>

> Why not hire an attractive/personable receptionist to interact with your

> clients?

 

Hi Dr. Stephen!

 

Because I am dead broke and can't pay her? I thought I mentioned that earlier

in the thread, perhaps you missed it.

 

I only think of this when someone asks on the list how to start a " successful "

practice or should they take TCM in school. Otherwise, I just see a patient

now and then and don't worry about anything.

 

I feel duty bound to be truthful about what happened to me. I will not pretend

that there are any opportunities around here, because I think that there

aren't any right now. All other business is dead in Sarasota right now as

well.

--

Regards,

 

Pete

http://www.pete-theisen.com/

[Guest guest]

On Monday 09 July 2007 13:12, Pete Theisen wrote:

> On Monday 09 July 2007 07:21, acudoc wrote:

 

Correction: They kept my money for MONTHS (plural), sorry about that.

> <snip>

>

> > There is also the SBA, SCORE, the local colleges and vast amounts of

> > businesses there to help us.

>

> Hi Dr. Lee!

>

> Are there? I personally had the SCORE and SBA experience. The SCORE guy

> sent me all over to every bank in town. One banker told me that every

> business that has had anything to do with SCORE or the SBA fails, but he

> didn't elaborate. I thought that this couldn't be right, but it was.

>

> Eventually the SBA arranged a $15,000 loan for me at credit card rates of

> which I only actually received a little over $4000 at the last minute. Then

> the SCORE guy advised me to consolidate my credit cards, and I followed his

> advice. The consolidation company drew the money out of my account and then

> failed to pay the payments, instead keeping the money for months, returning

> it only when I notified the authorities about prosecuting them. Of course

> that destroyed my credit.

>

> I would have liked to have gotten just one good break . . .

 

--

Regards,

 

Pete

http://www.pete-theisen.com/

[Guest guest]

Free advice on business/practice building

 

http://www.emofree.com/building/building1.htm

 

Kind regards,

 

Thomas Sorensen

--

Althea Akupunktur & Orientalsk Medicin

Albanigade 23A, Kld.

5000 Odense C

Denmark

 

Tlf.: (+45) 31 25 92 26

info

www.orientalskmedicin.dk

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Guys,

 

My 2 cents.

 

 

 

I think longevity in an area is a primary key to eventually thriving

practice. I also see that unless you are working in a very very tiny

populated area the more practitioners the better. WHY? Because it FORCES

you to get real and raise your game, reach your own potential in the

process. There are millions and millions of people who are yet to have

acupuncture in every city, every country. The more practitioners the more

“social-proof” and the better for everyone. My practice improves EVERY year

for the last 20 years even though there are at least 50-80 more

practitioners in a radius of only 2-3 miles, even phsios are muscling in.

The reason is that the community are becoming more and more aware of what we

offer,- taking our health care market share beyond and up past the 5-10% it

has been for years, COMPETITION is GOOD.

 

Teachers “ nearly “ always do their best, often working within internal

“political” beliefs at their institutions, often having to compromise to

stay in a job. It can be a very difficult balancing act.

 

After 20 years or more I employ very, very little of what I was originally

taught over 4 years BUT I fondly remember all of my college teachers spirit,

passion and encouragement, they were truly early pioneers in this country.

They were people who understood my liking for this wisdom and medicine

without having to explain and “prove it “ to everyone else including close

family, thank God for them.

 

Ray

 

 

 

_____

 

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of stephen

woodley

Sunday, 8 July 2007 8:38 AM

Chinese Medicine

Re: Some informations about Traditional jobs

 

 

 

 

Now, now Pete

 

I would suggest that your e-mails are coming across in a way that you

don't intend.

 

> If you are making $80K + per year teaching,

Schools pay per lecture hour...teachers teach one day per week or one

class per week. I have never met a TCM instructor making $80K. Surely

you are aware that nobody is lecturing 40 hours per week.

 

you are past the level where any understanding of those in need is easy

or perhaps even possible.

 

Could you clarify this? It sounds like you're saying that if Bill does

make $80K, he is incapable of compassion...so surely it's not coming

across as intended...

 

Be thankful, to begin with, and refrain from criticizing those, uh,

" below " you.

 

I missed where Bill was criticizing anyone. Only commenting on

pejoratives.

 

Above all, it is very inappropriate for you to be thin-skinned.

 

It doesn't strike me as " thin-skinned " to react to statements like:

" those who can, do; those who can't, teach " --not your words

" riding the gravy train " -- your words I believe

" TCM education at least approaches fraud " -- your words

 

These types of statements aren't particularly constructive...and many

might find them offensive

>

> The fact of the matter is, higher education cannot be sold without the

> implicit promise that it will lead to a good income with clean, easy and

> pleasant work. In this, TCM education at least approaches fraud. You

> don't need me to tell you this, any number of others have said it, again

and

> again, on this list and in other forums.

 

Speaking only for myself, I studied because I wanted to

learn it. Nobody told me it would be easy...nobody told me that starting

a practice would be easy. Nobody said or implied that I would be trained

in business and marketing at a school of Chinese medicine. These classes

are available at community colleges by people trained to teach such

things and internet resources from some with experience.

 

I expected to be trained to use this paradigm to analyze and treat

people's health from a very small group of people who know, understand

and communicate profound knowledge. I can learn bookkeeping from

Quickbooks 2006 for Dummies.

 

Anyone involved in TCM education will acknowledge that there is plenty

of room for improvement!!! Didactic training in this medicine dates back

less than a century and many of the skills we need to know require more

hands on guidance.

 

Words like " fraud " might overstate your stance as they impune the

integrity of the vast majority of teachers and school administrators who

are trying to help students learn, in 4 years or less, (a medicine that

most have ZERO background in at the start) to become licensed

practitioners and often primary care providers.

 

Many of the members of this forum have strong opinions and are

passionate about their beliefs...we might want to use care in our word

choices...

 

Stephen Woodley LAc

 

--

http://www.fastmail <http://www.fastmail.fm> .fm - Same, same, but

different…

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Mr. Ford,

 

Wonderful for you ...and wonderful for CM too!

 

It is possible - if you choose it and have the perseverance to follow

through.... and you have a " product " that people want again and again and

again!

 

The more money we make the more proof we have (if we work ethically) that

our services are good. No medicine however wonderful it is will develop if

it isn't practiced!

 

Kindly,

 

Thomas

 

2007/7/11, Ray Ford <ray:

>

> Hi Guys,

>

> My 2 cents.

>

> I think longevity in an area is a primary key to eventually thriving

> practice. I also see that unless you are working in a very very tiny

> populated area the more practitioners the better. WHY? Because it FORCES

> you to get real and raise your game, reach your own potential in the

> process. There are millions and millions of people who are yet to have

> acupuncture in every city, every country. The more practitioners the more

> " social-proof " and the better for everyone. My practice improves EVERY

> year

> for the last 20 years even though there are at least 50-80 more

> practitioners in a radius of only 2-3 miles, even phsios are muscling in.

> The reason is that the community are becoming more and more aware of what

> we

> offer,- taking our health care market share beyond and up past the 5-10%

> it

> has been for years, COMPETITION is GOOD.

>

> Teachers " nearly " always do their best, often working within internal

> " political " beliefs at their institutions, often having to compromise to

> stay in a job. It can be a very difficult balancing act.

>

> After 20 years or more I employ very, very little of what I was originally

> taught over 4 years BUT I fondly remember all of my college teachers

> spirit,

> passion and encouragement, they were truly early pioneers in this country.

> They were people who understood my liking for this wisdom and medicine

> without having to explain and " prove it " to everyone else including close

> family, thank God for them.

>

> Ray

>

> _____

>

>

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

>

[Chinese Medicine <Traditional_Chinese_Medicin\

e%40>]

> On Behalf Of stephen

> woodley

> Sunday, 8 July 2007 8:38 AM

> To:

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

> Re: Some informations about Traditional

> jobs

>

> Now, now Pete

>

> I would suggest that your e-mails are coming across in a way that you

> don't intend.

>

> > If you are making $80K + per year teaching,

> Schools pay per lecture hour...teachers teach one day per week or one

> class per week. I have never met a TCM instructor making $80K. Surely

> you are aware that nobody is lecturing 40 hours per week.

>

> you are past the level where any understanding of those in need is easy

> or perhaps even possible.

>

> Could you clarify this? It sounds like you're saying that if Bill does

> make $80K, he is incapable of compassion...so surely it's not coming

> across as intended...

>

> Be thankful, to begin with, and refrain from criticizing those, uh,

> " below " you.

>

> I missed where Bill was criticizing anyone. Only commenting on

> pejoratives.

>

> Above all, it is very inappropriate for you to be thin-skinned.

>

> It doesn't strike me as " thin-skinned " to react to statements like:

> " those who can, do; those who can't, teach " --not your words

> " riding the gravy train " -- your words I believe

> " TCM education at least approaches fraud " -- your words

>

> These types of statements aren't particularly constructive...and many

> might find them offensive

> >

> > The fact of the matter is, higher education cannot be sold without the

> > implicit promise that it will lead to a good income with clean, easy and

>

> > pleasant work. In this, TCM education at least approaches fraud. You

> > don't need me to tell you this, any number of others have said it, again

> and

> > again, on this list and in other forums.

>

> Speaking only for myself, I studied because I wanted to

> learn it. Nobody told me it would be easy...nobody told me that starting

> a practice would be easy. Nobody said or implied that I would be trained

> in business and marketing at a school of Chinese medicine. These classes

> are available at community colleges by people trained to teach such

> things and internet resources from some with experience.

>

> I expected to be trained to use this paradigm to analyze and treat

> people's health from a very small group of people who know, understand

> and communicate profound knowledge. I can learn bookkeeping from

> Quickbooks 2006 for Dummies.

>

> Anyone involved in TCM education will acknowledge that there is plenty

> of room for improvement!!! Didactic training in this medicine dates back

> less than a century and many of the skills we need to know require more

> hands on guidance.

>

> Words like " fraud " might overstate your stance as they impune the

> integrity of the vast majority of teachers and school administrators who

> are trying to help students learn, in 4 years or less, (a medicine that

> most have ZERO background in at the start) to become licensed

> practitioners and often primary care providers.

>

> Many of the members of this forum have strong opinions and are

> passionate about their beliefs...we might want to use care in our word

> choices...

>

> Stephen Woodley LAc

>

> --

> http://www.fastmail <http://www.fastmail.fm> .fm - Same, same, but

> different…

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thomas,

It goes without saying that the Medicine, the tradition has to be practiced

we have to improve as best we can too.

I am not sure about your point about the more money, I think it is closer to

the truth that the MORE we SERVE and actually HELP others will deliver the

proof.

The more signs and shingles on every street will make what we do less

mystical and more 'everyday " acceptable choice.

It is heartening to see the growth before my eyes and know that all the

years sitting in my office with hardly anyone showing up was in fact part of

the journey. My students are having a much easier journey, when they go into

practice.

Ray

 

 

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Thomas

Sørensen

Wednesday, 11 July 2007 9:21 PM

Chinese Medicine

Re: Some informations about Traditional jobs

 

Mr. Ford,

 

Wonderful for you ...and wonderful for CM too!

 

It is possible - if you choose it and have the perseverance to follow

through.... and you have a " product " that people want again and again and

again!

 

The more money we make the more proof we have (if we work ethically) that

our services are good. No medicine however wonderful it is will develop if

it isn't practiced!

 

Kindly,

 

Thomas

 

2007/7/11, Ray Ford <ray:

>

> Hi Guys,

>

> My 2 cents.

>

> I think longevity in an area is a primary key to eventually thriving

> practice. I also see that unless you are working in a very very tiny

> populated area the more practitioners the better. WHY? Because it FORCES

> you to get real and raise your game, reach your own potential in the

> process. There are millions and millions of people who are yet to have

> acupuncture in every city, every country. The more practitioners the more

> " social-proof " and the better for everyone. My practice improves EVERY

> year

> for the last 20 years even though there are at least 50-80 more

> practitioners in a radius of only 2-3 miles, even phsios are muscling in.

> The reason is that the community are becoming more and more aware of what

> we

> offer,- taking our health care market share beyond and up past the 5-10%

> it

> has been for years, COMPETITION is GOOD.

>

> Teachers " nearly " always do their best, often working within internal

> " political " beliefs at their institutions, often having to compromise to

> stay in a job. It can be a very difficult balancing act.

>

> After 20 years or more I employ very, very little of what I was originally

> taught over 4 years BUT I fondly remember all of my college teachers

> spirit,

> passion and encouragement, they were truly early pioneers in this country.

> They were people who understood my liking for this wisdom and medicine

> without having to explain and " prove it " to everyone else including close

> family, thank God for them.

>

> Ray

>

> _____

>

>

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40

>

>

[Chinese Medicine <Traditional_Chinese_Med

icine%40>]

> On Behalf Of stephen

> woodley

> Sunday, 8 July 2007 8:38 AM

> To:

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40

>

> Re: Some informations about Traditional

> jobs

>

> Now, now Pete

>

> I would suggest that your e-mails are coming across in a way that you

> don't intend.

>

> > If you are making $80K + per year teaching,

> Schools pay per lecture hour...teachers teach one day per week or one

> class per week. I have never met a TCM instructor making $80K. Surely

> you are aware that nobody is lecturing 40 hours per week.

>

> you are past the level where any understanding of those in need is easy

> or perhaps even possible.

>

> Could you clarify this? It sounds like you're saying that if Bill does

> make $80K, he is incapable of compassion...so surely it's not coming

> across as intended...

>

> Be thankful, to begin with, and refrain from criticizing those, uh,

> " below " you.

>

> I missed where Bill was criticizing anyone. Only commenting on

> pejoratives.

>

> Above all, it is very inappropriate for you to be thin-skinned.

>

> It doesn't strike me as " thin-skinned " to react to statements like:

> " those who can, do; those who can't, teach " --not your words

> " riding the gravy train " -- your words I believe

> " TCM education at least approaches fraud " -- your words

>

> These types of statements aren't particularly constructive...and many

> might find them offensive

> >

> > The fact of the matter is, higher education cannot be sold without the

> > implicit promise that it will lead to a good income with clean, easy and

>

> > pleasant work. In this, TCM education at least approaches fraud. You

> > don't need me to tell you this, any number of others have said it, again

> and

> > again, on this list and in other forums.

>

> Speaking only for myself, I studied because I wanted to

> learn it. Nobody told me it would be easy...nobody told me that starting

> a practice would be easy. Nobody said or implied that I would be trained

> in business and marketing at a school of Chinese medicine. These classes

> are available at community colleges by people trained to teach such

> things and internet resources from some with experience.

>

> I expected to be trained to use this paradigm to analyze and treat

> people's health from a very small group of people who know, understand

> and communicate profound knowledge. I can learn bookkeeping from

> Quickbooks 2006 for Dummies.

>

> Anyone involved in TCM education will acknowledge that there is plenty

> of room for improvement!!! Didactic training in this medicine dates back

> less than a century and many of the skills we need to know require more

> hands on guidance.

>

> Words like " fraud " might overstate your stance as they impune the

> integrity of the vast majority of teachers and school administrators who

> are trying to help students learn, in 4 years or less, (a medicine that

> most have ZERO background in at the start) to become licensed

> practitioners and often primary care providers.

>

> Many of the members of this forum have strong opinions and are

> passionate about their beliefs...we might want to use care in our word

> choices...

>

> Stephen Woodley LAc

>

> --

> http://www.fastmail <http://www.fastmail.fm> .fm - Same, same, but

> different…

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ray,

 

I totally agree - it was more on the level of the individual practitioner as

a businessman - if you are not making money then the cause is that you are

not seeing patients - not good for you, not good for CM, and definitely not

good for potential healing of potential patients/clients.

 

Not making money means that you - for whichever reasons - are not getting

the message out there that you have an excellent service to provide -

because we do!

 

Making money is NOT the point - even though I have accepted it to be OK to

actually make a very decent income - a problem among many of my Danish

colleagues here is they just can't bring them to charge for medical services

in a country where standard health care is free. I use my income (and

patient retention after primary health issues have been solved) as a

parameter for how succesful I am in promoting CM and making good results in

treatment. Obviously in an ethical manner! In this market as long as he is

ethically sound a succesful business man equals a succesful pratitioner - it

is not always the other way around - unfortunately!

 

Kindly,

 

Thomas

 

 

2007/7/11, Ray Ford <ray:

>

> Thomas,

> It goes without saying that the Medicine, the tradition has to be

> practiced

> we have to improve as best we can too.

> I am not sure about your point about the more money, I think it is closer

> to

> the truth that the MORE we SERVE and actually HELP others will deliver the

> proof.

> The more signs and shingles on every street will make what we do less

> mystical and more 'everyday " acceptable choice.

> It is heartening to see the growth before my eyes and know that all the

> years sitting in my office with hardly anyone showing up was in fact part

> of

> the journey. My students are having a much easier journey, when they go

> into

> practice.

> Ray

>

>

>

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

>

[Chinese Medicine <Traditional_Chinese_Medicin\

e%40>]

> On Behalf Of Thomas

> Sørensen

> Wednesday, 11 July 2007 9:21 PM

> To:

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

> Re: Some informations about Traditional

> jobs

>

> Mr. Ford,

>

> Wonderful for you ...and wonderful for CM too!

>

> It is possible - if you choose it and have the perseverance to follow

> through.... and you have a " product " that people want again and again and

> again!

>

> The more money we make the more proof we have (if we work ethically) that

> our services are good. No medicine however wonderful it is will develop if

> it isn't practiced!

>

> Kindly,

>

> Thomas

>

> 2007/7/11, Ray Ford

<ray<ray%40rayfordacupuncture.com.au>

> >:

> >

> > Hi Guys,

> >

> > My 2 cents.

> >

> > I think longevity in an area is a primary key to eventually thriving

> > practice. I also see that unless you are working in a very very tiny

> > populated area the more practitioners the better. WHY? Because it FORCES

> > you to get real and raise your game, reach your own potential in the

> > process. There are millions and millions of people who are yet to have

> > acupuncture in every city, every country. The more practitioners the

> more

> > " social-proof " and the better for everyone. My practice improves EVERY

> > year

> > for the last 20 years even though there are at least 50-80 more

> > practitioners in a radius of only 2-3 miles, even phsios are muscling

> in.

> > The reason is that the community are becoming more and more aware of

> what

> > we

> > offer,- taking our health care market share beyond and up past the 5-10%

> > it

> > has been for years, COMPETITION is GOOD.

> >

> > Teachers " nearly " always do their best, often working within internal

> > " political " beliefs at their institutions, often having to compromise to

> > stay in a job. It can be a very difficult balancing act.

> >

> > After 20 years or more I employ very, very little of what I was

> originally

> > taught over 4 years BUT I fondly remember all of my college teachers

> > spirit,

> > passion and encouragement, they were truly early pioneers in this

> country.

> > They were people who understood my liking for this wisdom and medicine

> > without having to explain and " prove it " to everyone else including

> close

> > family, thank God for them.

> >

> > Ray

> >

> > _____

> >

> >

>

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

> <Chinese Medicine%40

> >

> >

>

[Chinese Medicine <Traditional_Chinese_Medicin\

e%40>

> <Traditional_Chinese_Med

> icine%40>]

> > On Behalf Of stephen

> > woodley

> > Sunday, 8 July 2007 8:38 AM

> > To:

>

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

> <Chinese Medicine%40

> >

> > Re: Some informations about Traditional

> > jobs

> >

> > Now, now Pete

> >

> > I would suggest that your e-mails are coming across in a way that you

> > don't intend.

> >

> > > If you are making $80K + per year teaching,

> > Schools pay per lecture hour...teachers teach one day per week or one

> > class per week. I have never met a TCM instructor making $80K. Surely

> > you are aware that nobody is lecturing 40 hours per week.

> >

> > you are past the level where any understanding of those in need is easy

> > or perhaps even possible.

> >

> > Could you clarify this? It sounds like you're saying that if Bill does

> > make $80K, he is incapable of compassion...so surely it's not coming

> > across as intended...

> >

> > Be thankful, to begin with, and refrain from criticizing those, uh,

> > " below " you.

> >

> > I missed where Bill was criticizing anyone. Only commenting on

> > pejoratives.

> >

> > Above all, it is very inappropriate for you to be thin-skinned.

> >

> > It doesn't strike me as " thin-skinned " to react to statements like:

> > " those who can, do; those who can't, teach " --not your words

> > " riding the gravy train " -- your words I believe

> > " TCM education at least approaches fraud " -- your words

> >

> > These types of statements aren't particularly constructive...and many

> > might find them offensive

> > >

> > > The fact of the matter is, higher education cannot be sold without the

> > > implicit promise that it will lead to a good income with clean, easy

> and

> >

> > > pleasant work. In this, TCM education at least approaches fraud. You

> > > don't need me to tell you this, any number of others have said it,

> again

> > and

> > > again, on this list and in other forums.

> >

> > Speaking only for myself, I studied because I wanted to

> > learn it. Nobody told me it would be easy...nobody told me that starting

> > a practice would be easy. Nobody said or implied that I would be trained

> > in business and marketing at a school of Chinese medicine. These classes

> > are available at community colleges by people trained to teach such

> > things and internet resources from some with experience.

> >

> > I expected to be trained to use this paradigm to analyze and treat

> > people's health from a very small group of people who know, understand

> > and communicate profound knowledge. I can learn bookkeeping from

> > Quickbooks 2006 for Dummies.

> >

> > Anyone involved in TCM education will acknowledge that there is plenty

> > of room for improvement!!! Didactic training in this medicine dates back

> > less than a century and many of the skills we need to know require more

> > hands on guidance.

> >

> > Words like " fraud " might overstate your stance as they impune the

> > integrity of the vast majority of teachers and school administrators who

> > are trying to help students learn, in 4 years or less, (a medicine that

> > most have ZERO background in at the start) to become licensed

> > practitioners and often primary care providers.

> >

> > Many of the members of this forum have strong opinions and are

> > passionate about their beliefs...we might want to use care in our word

> > choices...

> >

> > Stephen Woodley LAc

> >

> > --

> > http://www.fastmail <http://www.fastmail.fm> .fm - Same, same, but

> > different…

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I'm having my web-site rebuilt and this was interesting to me as to

marketing. In a way because EFT has gotten to be pretty well known in

my circles here in LA it is it's own best advertisement. But what

about EFT itself? Being of the generation of promised Emotional

freedoms (from cannibus through gurus through EST through whatever) do

any of the people here have any sustained relationship with EFT and

what do you think?

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " Thomas Sørensen "

<aikinohari wrote:

>

> Free advice on business/practice building

>

> http://www.emofree.com/building/building1.htm

>

> Kind regards,

>

> Thomas Sorensen

[Guest guest]

Chinese Medicine , " Ray Ford "

<ray wrote:

 

> It is heartening to see the growth before my eyes and know that all

the

> years sitting in my office with hardly anyone showing up was in

fact part of

> the journey. > Ray

>

Sitting in the office when you don't have people coming in to get

worked on is the best method to assure slow growth.

 

Screenings, lectures, workshops, networking, asking MDs/DOs/DCs to

refer their incurables (all of which can cost you $0 plus some time)

are the way to fill those available appointments with people who need

your help. Chinese medicine works, and it has for thousands of

years, and 2 million people on the globe TODAY rely on it. Thousands

of people IN YOUR ACTIVE RADIUS have health problems without ready

solutions that they know about. Let them know you may have help for

them and invite them to your clinic to find-out if you do.

 

It is much quicker to build your reputation from a few hundred than a

few.

 

Mark Zaranski

[Guest guest]

Yes, you are right

 

In my early twenties, didn't know what I know now, information on " how to "

was scarce was the point.

 

That was then this is now.

 

Ray

 

 

 

_____

 

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of zedbowls

Thursday, 12 July 2007 9:03 AM

Chinese Medicine

Re: Some informations about Traditional jobs

 

 

 

Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%40>

Chinese_Medicine , " Ray Ford "

<ray wrote:

 

> It is heartening to see the growth before my eyes and know that all

the

> years sitting in my office with hardly anyone showing up was in

fact part of

> the journey. > Ray

>

Sitting in the office when you don't have people coming in to get

worked on is the best method to assure slow growth.

 

Screenings, lectures, workshops, networking, asking MDs/DOs/DCs to

refer their incurables (all of which can cost you $0 plus some time)

are the way to fill those available appointments with people who need

your help. Chinese medicine works, and it has for thousands of

years, and 2 million people on the globe TODAY rely on it. Thousands

of people IN YOUR ACTIVE RADIUS have health problems without ready

solutions that they know about. Let them know you may have help for

them and invite them to your clinic to find-out if you do.

 

It is much quicker to build your reputation from a few hundred than a

few.

 

Mark Zaranski