Guest guest Posted July 5, 2007 Report Share Posted July 5, 2007 Hi all, how do the practioners of TCM in countries with socialized medicine fare? Does the gvt pay for you as well, or do people pay out of pocket, knowing that they don't have to pay anything for their western care? if you do charge, what are people willing to pay? Have heard from denmark and cuba. does anyone else on this list practice in other countries, such as france, uk, canada? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2007 Report Share Posted July 5, 2007 On Thursday 05 July 2007 10:53, Sami Rank LAc wrote: > Hi all, how do the practioners of TCM in countries with socialized > medicine fare? Does the gvt pay for you as well, or do people pay out > of pocket, knowing that they don't have to pay anything for their > western care? if you do charge, what are people willing to pay? Have > heard from denmark and cuba. does anyone else on this list practice in > other countries, such as france, uk, canada? Hi Dr. Sami! The Hinchey bill HR 1479 is currently before the House. Have you written or called your congressperson? Personally, I think we need universal health care in the US, " Right to Life " language in the declaration and all that. Socialized medicine is more for the patients than for the practitioners, however, and often the doctors are working very cheap in such systems. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Hi Sami, I practice in a small town in Belgium. The government does not pay us directly. What has been happening is that some of the health insurance companies (which are supported by the government) have started some reimbursements for alternative medicine. Reimbursements are low and limited (50 to 185€ per year, depending on the company) but it is a start. Actually acupuncture is the most debated alternative medicine, because MD's still fight for exclusive rights (which is not the case with chiropraxy or osteopathy). 95% of my patients pay out of pocket. I charge 30€ per treatment, which is probably the average in Belgium (or just above average). I started my clinic in Ingelmunster, Belgium, less than two years ago and have a healthy practice, seeing between 50 and 75 people per week. Btw people still have to pay for western medicine as well, only the reimbursement rates are much higher (60 to 80% of the fee is reimbursed). I just came back from Munich, Germany, where I attended a great seminar by Liu Guohui. I heard that people there charge 50€ per treatment, of which a small part is reimbursed. Some people have private health insurances and they charge more to those people. FYI, it seems that socialized countries like those here in Western Europe also are moving towards a model where people seek additional private insurance, both for health care and pension. Reason for this is that the people grow older and have less children. Declining tax income because of a shrinking working population puts another strain on the system. We'll see where it goes, regards, Tom. Acupunctuurpraktijk Tom Verhaeghe Stationsplein 59 B-8770 Ingelmunster 051 699 005 tom.verhaeghe www.chinese-geneeskunde.be ---- Sami Rank LAc 5/07/2007 18:24:19 Chinese Medicine socialized med & tcm Hi all, how do the practioners of TCM in countries with socialized medicine fare? Does the gvt pay for you as well, or do people pay out of pocket, knowing that they don't have to pay anything for their western care? if you do charge, what are people willing to pay? Have heard from denmark and cuba. does anyone else on this list practice in other countries, such as france, uk, canada? Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Calendar Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at Times http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, http://toolbar thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 http://groups. com and adjust accordingly. Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely necessary. Change settings via the Web ( ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un Recent Activity 2New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 wow, that is awsome you see so many people in such a short time in practice. what techniques did you use to attract so many? what is licensing like in the EU? different per country? is it regulated? thank you for your response. I am interested in how people in other countries practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Hi Sami, I use acupuncture, granule herbs, auriculotherapy and Yamamoto New Scalp Acupuncture. I get good not great results (I think). I developed some brochures (which are downloadable from my website http://tinyurl.com/3c26gj ) which are widely read, and I get some patients from my website. I do not advertise since that is not allowed in Belgium for health practitioners. I get most of my patients from word of mouth, and after some spectacular dermatological result I get a LOT of new patients : ) We are half regulated in Belgium, which puts us actually in a comfortable position, as we decided in the European Federation of Oriental medicine, of which I am a board member. The MDs cannot attack us for practicing medicine without a license, and we are not regulated like the physiotherapists are (I was a physiotherapist in a previous incarnation). Yes acupuncture regulations are different across Europe. Germany has a very good statute with their heilpraktikers, I was told last weekend. France only allows MDs to practice acupuncture, although even there there are non-MD practitioners. Stay low on the radar, seems to be the advice. It's a pity that most people do not know how much Chinese medicine can offer them. On the other hand it is also true that there are not many people that are really good at Chinese medicine, at least in Belgium. Liu Guohui's knowledge about the classics was astounding. We were amazed at how easily he switched from Shang Han Lun to Wen Bing in a snap, adopting a flexible viewpoint and writing some very interesting formulas. FYI, Liu Guohui is writing a Shang Han Lun book, and I am going to be one of the first persons to buy it when it comes out. regards, Tom. PS tomorrow I'm leaving to London for a Jane Lyttleton congress. Anyone from the list going? Good for networking, said to increase one's practice : ) ---- Sami Rank LAc 12/07/2007 15:39:37 Chinese Medicine Re: socialized med & tcm wow, that is awsome you see so many people in such a short time in practice. what techniques did you use to attract so many? what is licensing like in the EU? different per country? is it regulated? thank you for your response. I am interested in how people in other countries practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 HAHA now don't they speak french in belgium? That I can read... I do like the look of your site, however. cheers, sami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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