Guest guest Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Hi All- For some reason, I see a huge number of female patients (and some male) who have their gallbladders removed - I'm guessing about 65-70% of the patients I see. It's as if it is endemic in this area (northern Arizona). Every one of them still exhibits of signs and symptoms of damp heat, all exhibit a strong degree of liver qi stagnation, and many exhibit blood stagnation and yang rising (often together). I'm fascinated at how similar they are and yes, most of them have difficulty making decisions. What distresses me most is that none of their doctors ever told them they should eat a low-fat (and low dampness-producing) diet for the rest of their lives. > heylaurag <heylaurag <heylaurag%40hotmail.com>> wrote: Well, > who knows. A supervisor of mine that I talked to about her said > that, actually. I have 3 patients that had their gallbladders removed > right now, and they do all 3 generate dampheat--it seems to need to be > an ongoing part of their treatments, so it does seem to be true. I > think the idea is that without the gallbladder to deal with the > dampheat it gets stuck more easily. > > --- In Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > " Guy Sedan " > <guysedan wrote: > > > > Hi there, > > Why do you think a removed gallbladder is an indication that " she is > always > > going to generate dampheat " ? > > > > She probably suffered in the past from damp-heat , but is the removal an > > indication that she will also in the future? > > Thanks > > Guy > > 2007/6/22, heylaurag <heylaurag: > > > > > > . I have a patient who had her > > > gallbladder removed, so she is always going to generate dampheat. So > > > that's the first part of the story. She is also prone to insomnia and > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Hi all and ABD... Is Arizona hot? Because I can think of three patients off the top of my head with no GB who have liver qi binding, damp in the GB channel, and yin deficient heat. These people would do very poorly with a diagnosis of " heat in the GB b/c their GB has been removed " . Hugo < Chinese Medicine Wednesday, 27 June, 2007 6:33:15 PM Re: Removal of gallbladder Hi All- For some reason, I see a huge number of female patients (and some male) who have their gallbladders removed - I'm guessing about 65-70% of the patients I see. It's as if it is endemic in this area (northern Arizona). Every one of them still exhibits of signs and symptoms of damp heat, all exhibit a strong degree of liver qi stagnation, and many exhibit blood stagnation and yang rising (often together). I'm fascinated at how similar they are and yes, most of them have difficulty making decisions. What distresses me most is that none of their doctors ever told them they should eat a low-fat (and low dampness-producing) diet for the rest of their lives. > heylaurag <heylaurag (AT) hotmail (DOT) com <heylaurag%40hotmai l.com>> wrote: Well, > who knows. A supervisor of mine that I talked to about her said > that, actually. I have 3 patients that had their gallbladders removed > right now, and they do all 3 generate dampheat--it seems to need to be > an ongoing part of their treatments, so it does seem to be true. I > think the idea is that without the gallbladder to deal with the > dampheat it gets stuck more easily. > > Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine <Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine %40. com>, > " Guy Sedan " > <guysedan@.. .> wrote: > > > > Hi there, > > Why do you think a removed gallbladder is an indication that " she is > always > > going to generate dampheat " ? > > > > She probably suffered in the past from damp-heat , but is the removal an > > indication that she will also in the future? > > Thanks > > Guy > > 2007/6/22, heylaurag <heylaurag@. ..>: > > > > > > . I have a patient who had her > > > gallbladder removed, so she is always going to generate dampheat. So > > > that's the first part of the story. She is also prone to insomnia and > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Yeah, I think that whenever possible it is best not to have organs removed from the body, and it appears as though some doctors remove the gallbladder without much thought. One of my patients said she went to her doctor once with digestive complaints that had not been around very long and he immediately told her she needed her gallbladder removed. I'm sure most doctors wouldn't do that, but I guess there are some. 2 of the 3 patients I have with GB removal have a very distinct smell. Have you noticed that with any of your patients, Andrea? Hugo--no worries--differential diagnosis is a given part of my practice. But I do appreciate your reminder because it is never a good idea to assume things, and saying " everyone with their gallbladder removed will always generate dampheat " might be too strong of a statement (although so far its been true in my practice). I think one thing to keep in mind is that even if they have some dampheat issues it may not be the most important factor to treat. Chinese Medicine , Andrea Beth Damsky < wrote: > > Hi All- > > For some reason, I see a huge number of female patients (and some male) who have their gallbladders removed - I'm guessing about 65-70% of the patients I see. It's as if it is endemic in this area (northern Arizona). Every one of them still exhibits of signs and symptoms of damp heat, all exhibit a strong degree of liver qi stagnation, and many exhibit blood stagnation and yang rising (often together). I'm fascinated at how similar they are and yes, most of them have difficulty making decisions. What distresses me most is that none of their doctors ever told them they should eat a low-fat (and low dampness-producing) diet for the rest of their lives. > > > > > heylaurag <heylaurag <heylaurag%40hotmail.com>> wrote: Well, > > who knows. A supervisor of mine that I talked to about her said > > that, actually. I have 3 patients that had their gallbladders removed > > right now, and they do all 3 generate dampheat--it seems to need to be > > an ongoing part of their treatments, so it does seem to be true. I > > think the idea is that without the gallbladder to deal with the > > dampheat it gets stuck more easily. > > > > --- In Chinese Medicine <Traditional_Chinese_Medic ine%40>, > > " Guy Sedan " > > <guysedan@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi there, > > > Why do you think a removed gallbladder is an indication that " she is > > always > > > going to generate dampheat " ? > > > > > > She probably suffered in the past from damp-heat , but is the removal an > > > indication that she will also in the future? > > > Thanks > > > Guy > > > 2007/6/22, heylaurag <heylaurag@>: > > > > > > > > . I have a patient who had her > > > > gallbladder removed, so she is always going to generate dampheat. So > > > > that's the first part of the story. She is also prone to insomnia and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Hi Laura, I haven't noticed any particular odor with folks who have had their gallbladders removed, but I do notice a stronger, sour vinegary odor more often on the feet in my patients with liver disharmonies than I used to observe in San Diego. This is true whether they wear enclosed shoes or airier sandals. Some of my gallbladder-removal patients smell " oily " , but not all of them. heylaurag <heylaurag wrote: 2 of the 3 patients I have with GB removal have a very distinct smell. Have you noticed that with any of your patients, Andrea Beth? Don't be flakey. Get Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 Yeah, that is a good description--sour vinegary odor. Makes sense that it is related to the liver. Chinese Medicine , Andrea Beth Damsky < wrote: > > Hi Laura, > > I haven't noticed any particular odor with folks who have had their gallbladders removed, but I do notice a stronger, sour vinegary odor more often on the feet in my patients with liver disharmonies than I used to observe in San Diego. This is true whether they wear enclosed shoes or airier sandals. > > Some of my gallbladder-removal patients smell " oily " , but not all of them. > > > > > heylaurag <heylaurag wrote: > > 2 of the 3 patients I have with GB removal have a very distinct > smell. Have you noticed that with any of your patients, Andrea Beth? > Don't be flakey. Get Mail for Mobile and > always stay connected to friends. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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