Guest guest Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Hi all. Looking for information on the following: 1. Qi Gong hospitals in China 2. Mountain Qi Gong retreats for cancer in China (or led by experienced Qi Gong master) Patient is a 64 year old male with late stage lung cancer, yin deficient, mild late-onset diabetes. Well, otherwise. Thanks for any help, or other ideas, Hugo _________ Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd./evt=44106/*http://uk.docs./mail/winter07.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Hi Hugo I shall open by saying that I am first year TCM student and thus have been learning a lot from this forum rather than being able to contribute. I have, however, developed a considerable interest in Qi Gong (and Tai Chi) over the last few years and would be keen to understand what you believe it can do for such a patient. Regards Norman Chinese Medicine , Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: > > Hi all. Looking for information on the following: > > 1. Qi Gong hospitals in China > 2. Mountain Qi Gong retreats for cancer in China (or led by experienced Qi Gong master) > > Patient is a 64 year old male with late stage lung cancer, yin deficient, mild late-onset diabetes. Well, otherwise. > > Thanks for any help, or other ideas, > Hugo > > > > > _________ > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for > your free account today http://uk.rd./evt=44106/*http://uk.docs./mail/winter07.html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Hi Norman, I will try to reply with more depth later, but the essence of it is that CM has, at it's root, an idea which goes roughly like this: Yi moves, then Qi moves, then the physical body moves. This is essentially the prerequisite state of the following famous axiom, also at the root of CM: " Where there is freeflow, disease cannot take root " . If this idea is true (and I must admit that it has been disputed by various hardheads throughout Chinese history, but, yin-yang, you know), it has extensive ramifications. If everything is influenced / created by conciousness, then physical problems can be remedied through appropriate concentration. The key, of course, is " concentration " . An unfocussed mind does nothing but create a weak ripple here, another one there, and is never able to build up a resonant force. (Well, in reality, most of us do have strong resonant forces, it's just that these forces are rooted in our poor habits) While western medicine did spend many years authoritatively discounting " mind-body " out of hand, " a priori " (which is poor rational / logical manners), it has now had to backpedal, albeit reluctantly and with a litter of qualifications. The point being that it is now acknowledged (not by everyone) that the mind has extensive effects on the body. Having said all that, Qi Gong has been used to cure any number of very serious ailments. I will not state that it is a cure-all or anything of the sort because it is clear that the requirements for cure using Qi Gong are the same as for any other modality: the patient's belief, motivation, and discipline. Those ill people who approach Qi Gong in this fashion have often shown the remarkable effects of " spontaneous remission " , with regards to cancer, for example. Again, the people with success have had many factors leaning in their favour, including the three I have already mentioned above. One might ask why various masters, very highly accomplished in Qi Gong and so on, still die, and moreover, die from cancers, organ failure etc.? No master, I believe, claims to know or follow " the Perfect Way " perfectly. This is one reason. Another is the weight of karma, the past actions of aeons. And that is for another discussion, I suppose. Finally, the main reason I am posting this question regarding this patient in particular is not because Lung Cancer + Qi Gong neccesarily equals great results, but rather that he seems to have a genuine, deep-rooted interest in it. Hope that answered your question, Hugo Norman Savigar <n.savigar Hi Hugo I shall open by saying that I am first year TCM student and thus have been learning a lot from this forum rather than being able to contribute. I have, however, developed a considerable interest in Qi Gong (and Tai Chi) over the last few years and would be keen to understand what you believe it can do for such a patient. Regards Norman Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine , Hugo Ramiro <subincor@.. .> wrote: > > Hi all. Looking for information on the following: > > 1. Qi Gong hospitals in China > 2. Mountain Qi Gong retreats for cancer in China (or led by experienced Qi Gong master) > > Patient is a 64 year old male with late stage lung cancer, yin deficient, mild late-onset diabetes. Well, otherwise. > > Thanks for any help, or other ideas, > Hugo > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for > your free account today http://uk.rd. / evt=44106/ *http://uk. docs.. com/mail/ winter07. html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Hugo, I asked a friend of mine who does Qigong, and here is the info I got back from her. Hope it helps: Emily: The Qigong institute that my teacher is at has many people with cancer, but beside getting qigong treatment, they wil have to practice a lot in the school. It is quit intense for people have not attended one before, it starts 6am to 9pm at night. The name of qigong is call Zhineng Qigong, this person can read up on some background information by googling. There are actual programs taking people to China plus traveling to tourist places, but I don't know those people's background and who is teaching. My teacher's center is at Tai mountain city, they has a new location, and I will find out the address for you. This is my teacher's email address: teacher Zhu <zhu.zhuchengfeng My mother was there for a whole year and loved it. ----Original Message Follows---- Hugo Ramiro <subincor Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine Qi Gong Cancer Centres Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:33:07 +0000 (GMT) Hi all. Looking for information on the following: 1. Qi Gong hospitals in China 2. Mountain Qi Gong retreats for cancer in China (or led by experienced Qi Gong master) Patient is a 64 year old male with late stage lung cancer, yin deficient, mild late-onset diabetes. Well, otherwise. Thanks for any help, or other ideas, Hugo _________ Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd./evt=44106/*http://uk.docs./mail/winter07.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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