Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Dear group, I am wondering if anyone has info on using gua sha for exzema. I have used it with great success. Now I have a patient who had a poisen oak rash about a year ago which has morphed into contact dermatitis. From the waist up. Comes/goes. No connection to anything. She went through menopause about two years ago. 49yo. Allergies, worse with sun, grass, cats (she is a vet). I have given her xiao feng san and gua sha'd her back in addition to using DU14, UB 40, some back points for low back pain, UB 17, UB 19, SP6. Anyway the qua sha just on her back and the rash seems worse. Is it just expressing itself and will abate or are I on the wrong track. Any advice appreciated. Slippery pulse, red tongue, red dots, white coat. Tongue has varied from sl. pale to red. Petra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 gua sha releases wind and trapped heat(potentially blood heat in this case)- so exacerbation is likely and temporary, continue doing it until all the wind is released... David --- petrabuchanan <petrabuchanan wrote: > Dear group, I am wondering if anyone has info on > using gua sha for > exzema. I have used it with great success. Now I > have a patient who > had a poisen oak rash about a year ago which has > morphed into contact > dermatitis. From the waist up. Comes/goes. No > connection to anything. > She went through menopause about two years ago. > 49yo. Allergies, worse > with sun, grass, cats (she is a vet). I have given > her xiao feng san > and gua sha'd her back in addition to using DU14, UB > 40, some back > points for low back pain, UB 17, UB 19, SP6. Anyway > the qua sha just > on her back and the rash seems worse. Is it just > expressing itself and > will abate or are I on the wrong track. Any advice > appreciated. > Slippery pulse, red tongue, red dots, white coat. > Tongue has varied > from sl. pale to red. > > Petra. > > ______________________________\ ____ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase. http://farechase./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 There's a good book on Gua Sha by Arya Nielsen, see http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/product/244/173/gua_sha Kind regards, Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) BSc (Hons) TCM MBAcC Editor Times +44 (0) 1189 612512 enquiries <http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/> www.chinesemedicinetimes.com <http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/forum/index.php> www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/forum/index.php This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the addressee. If you have received this message in error you must not disseminate, copy or take action on it; please notify sender. Although this e-mail and any attachments are believed to be virus free, e-mail communications are not 100% secure and the sender makes no warranty that this message is secure or virus free. Nothing in this transmission shall or shall be deemed to constitute an offer or acceptance of an offer or otherwise have the effect of forming a contract by electronic communication. Your name and address may be stored to facilitate communications. The sender is registered in England. Registered office: PO Box 3521, Wokingham, Berkshire, RG40 9DX, UK. Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of david appleton 21 June 2007 16:08 Chinese Medicine Re: gua sha for exzema gua sha releases wind and trapped heat(potentially blood heat in this case)- so exacerbation is likely and temporary, continue doing it until all the wind is released... David --- petrabuchanan <petrabuchanan@ <petrabuchanan%40> > wrote: > Dear group, I am wondering if anyone has info on > using gua sha for > exzema. I have used it with great success. Now I > have a patient who > had a poisen oak rash about a year ago which has > morphed into contact > dermatitis. From the waist up. Comes/goes. No > connection to anything. > She went through menopause about two years ago. > 49yo. Allergies, worse > with sun, grass, cats (she is a vet). I have given > her xiao feng san > and gua sha'd her back in addition to using DU14, UB > 40, some back > points for low back pain, UB 17, UB 19, SP6. Anyway > the qua sha just > on her back and the rash seems worse. Is it just > expressing itself and > will abate or are I on the wrong track. Any advice > appreciated. > Slippery pulse, red tongue, red dots, white coat. > Tongue has varied > from sl. pale to red. > > Petra. > > ________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase. http://farechase. <http://farechase./> / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Petra, If I am remembering correctly, gua sha is contraindicated in areas of open skin, such as rashes. petrabuchanan <petrabuchanan wrote: Dear group, I am wondering if anyone has info on using gua sha for exzema. I have used it with great success. Now I have a patient who had a poisen oak rash about a year ago which has morphed into contact dermatitis. From the waist up. Comes/goes. No connection to anything. She went through menopause about two years ago. 49yo. Allergies, worse with sun, grass, cats (she is a vet). I have given her xiao feng san and gua sha'd her back in addition to using DU14, UB 40, some back points for low back pain, UB 17, UB 19, SP6. Anyway the qua sha just on her back and the rash seems worse. Is it just expressing itself and will abate or are I on the wrong track. Any advice appreciated. Slippery pulse, red tongue, red dots, white coat. Tongue has varied from sl. pale to red. Petra. Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Answers Food & Drink Q & A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Thank you for all of your input. In taking a closer look at her chart I was reminded that she also has herpes. I am going to change her formula to something that adresses both her exzema and herpes, Long dan xie gan tang. I will let you know how it goes.--- In Chinese Medicine , david appleton <acuapple wrote: > > gua sha releases wind and trapped heat(potentially > blood heat in this case)- so exacerbation is likely > and temporary, continue doing it until all the wind is > released... > > David > --- petrabuchanan <petrabuchanan wrote: > > > Dear group, I am wondering if anyone has info on > > using gua sha for > > exzema. I have used it with great success. Now I > > have a patient who > > had a poisen oak rash about a year ago which has > > morphed into contact > > dermatitis. From the waist up. Comes/goes. No > > connection to anything. > > She went through menopause about two years ago. > > 49yo. Allergies, worse > > with sun, grass, cats (she is a vet). I have given > > her xiao feng san > > and gua sha'd her back in addition to using DU14, UB > > 40, some back > > points for low back pain, UB 17, UB 19, SP6. Anyway > > the qua sha just > > on her back and the rash seems worse. Is it just > > expressing itself and > > will abate or are I on the wrong track. Any advice > > appreciated. > > Slippery pulse, red tongue, red dots, white coat. > > Tongue has varied > > from sl. pale to red. > > > > Petra. > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase. > http://farechase./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Petra, Re: Long Dan Xie Gan Tang for herpes - I am sure you are accurately differentiating your patient's patterns, however, Long Dan Xie Gan Tang is generally for acute Liver fire, or damp-heat with no deficiency. It is beaten into our heads in school that herpes = long dan xie gan tang. However, if the patient has had chronic eczema, there is almost certainly some deficiency. During an acute outbreak of herpes, sometimes a patient will feel irritable, and display heat-signs. Other times, even during an acute outbreak, there will be very few to no signs of damp-heat in the liver or liver fire. Instead, they often present with much more vacuity. I have found that supplementing a patient's Qi and Blood (modified for the patient's specific pattern) and overall immune system and stress support is very effective in preventing outbreaks. During an outbreak, if a patient does not display those heat signs, I find very little success with Long Dan Xie Gan Tang - in fact, I have sometimes found it to exacerbate the condition, and I have never found it useful for longer than a few days with any of my patients suffering from herpes. As soon as the heat signs are gone, I switch the formula. Hope that is helpful. Kind Regards, Nadia Haddad, MS, L.Ac Boulder, CO _______________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. It’s free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Dear Nadia. I believe that this is an acute outbreak. The patient has had it for a year. But intermittently. Right now she is having an outbreak. Her tongue this week is red, slightly yellow coat. Her pulse is slippery, though not super strong, not weak, just not forcefull. She also just told me that she drinks two glasses of red wine every night, and coffee every am. My plan is to put her on this for a short while, then switch to something more tonifying such as dang qui yin zhi wan. How does this sound? Thank you for your input. Petra. --- East Dakota <eastdakota wrote: > Petra, > > Re: Long Dan Xie Gan Tang for herpes - I am sure you > are accurately > differentiating your patient's patterns, however, > Long Dan Xie Gan Tang is > generally for acute Liver fire, or damp-heat with no > deficiency. It is > beaten into our heads in school that herpes = long > dan xie gan tang. > However, if the patient has had chronic eczema, > there is almost certainly > some deficiency. During an acute outbreak of herpes, > sometimes a patient > will feel irritable, and display heat-signs. Other > times, even during an > acute outbreak, there will be very few to no signs > of damp-heat in the liver > or liver fire. Instead, they often present with much > more vacuity. I have > found that supplementing a patient's Qi and Blood > (modified for the > patient's specific pattern) and overall immune > system and stress support is > very effective in preventing outbreaks. During an > outbreak, if a patient > does not display those heat signs, I find very > little success with Long Dan > Xie Gan Tang - in fact, I have sometimes found it to > exacerbate the > condition, and I have never found it useful for > longer than a few days with > any of my patients suffering from herpes. As soon as > the heat signs are > gone, I switch the formula. > > Hope that is helpful. > > Kind Regards, > Nadia Haddad, MS, L.Ac > Boulder, CO > > _______________ > Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the > i’m Initiative now. > It’s free. > http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07 > > > > Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at > Times > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, > http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > > and adjust accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any > duplication outside the group requires prior > permission from the author. > > Please consider the environment and only print this > message if absolutely necessary. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Hi Petra, so you've told her that she has to stop the alcohol and coffee, at least temporarily, right? Also find out what kinds of meats she eats and her bedtimes as well. It's very important for her to sleep early and sleep well. This plus the elimination of heating foodstuffs will allow the fomulas to work much mroe effectively. Hugo Petra Buchanan <petrabuchanan Chinese Medicine Thursday, 21 June, 2007 8:20:40 PM Re: Re: gua sha for exzema Dear Nadia. I believe that this is an acute outbreak. The patient has had it for a year. But intermittently. Right now she is having an outbreak. Her tongue this week is red, slightly yellow coat. Her pulse is slippery, though not super strong, not weak, just not forcefull. She also just told me that she drinks two glasses of red wine every night, and coffee every am. My plan is to put her on this for a short while, then switch to something more tonifying such as dang qui yin zhi wan. How does this sound? Thank you for your input. Petra. --- East Dakota <eastdakota (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: > Petra, > > Re: Long Dan Xie Gan Tang for herpes - I am sure you > are accurately > differentiating your patient's patterns, however, > Long Dan Xie Gan Tang is > generally for acute Liver fire, or damp-heat with no > deficiency. It is > beaten into our heads in school that herpes = long > dan xie gan tang. > However, if the patient has had chronic eczema, > there is almost certainly > some deficiency. During an acute outbreak of herpes, > sometimes a patient > will feel irritable, and display heat-signs. Other > times, even during an > acute outbreak, there will be very few to no signs > of damp-heat in the liver > or liver fire. Instead, they often present with much > more vacuity. I have > found that supplementing a patient's Qi and Blood > (modified for the > patient's specific pattern) and overall immune > system and stress support is > very effective in preventing outbreaks. During an > outbreak, if a patient > does not display those heat signs, I find very > little success with Long Dan > Xie Gan Tang - in fact, I have sometimes found it to > exacerbate the > condition, and I have never found it useful for > longer than a few days with > any of my patients suffering from herpes. As soon as > the heat signs are > gone, I switch the formula. > > Hope that is helpful. > > Kind Regards, > Nadia Haddad, MS, L.Ac > Boulder, CO > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the > i¢m Initiative now. > It¢s free. > http://im.live. com/messenger/ im/home/? source=TAGHM_ June07 > > > > Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at > Times > http://www.chinesem edicinetimes. com > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, > http://toolbar. thebizplace. com/LandingPage. aspx/CT145145 > > > http://groups. / group/Traditiona l_Chinese_ Medicine/ join > and adjust accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any > duplication outside the group requires prior > permission from the author. > > Please consider the environment and only print this > message if absolutely necessary. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 What do you mean by heating of food stuffs? Microwave, at all? Are you recommending only raw food? --- Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: > Hi Petra, so you've told her that she has to stop > the alcohol and coffee, at least temporarily, right? > Also find out what kinds of meats she eats and her > bedtimes as well. It's very important for her to > sleep early and sleep well. This plus the > elimination of heating foodstuffs will allow the > fomulas to work much mroe effectively. > > Hugo > > > Petra Buchanan <petrabuchanan > Chinese Medicine > Thursday, 21 June, 2007 8:20:40 PM > Re: Re: gua sha for exzema > > > > > > > Dear Nadia. I believe that this is an > acute outbreak. > > The patient has had it for a year. But > intermittently. > > Right now she is having an outbreak. Her tongue this > > week is red, slightly yellow coat. Her pulse is > > slippery, though not super strong, not weak, just > not > > forcefull. She also just told me that she drinks two > > glasses of red wine every night, and coffee every > am. > > My plan is to put her on this for a short while, > then > > switch to something more tonifying such as dang qui > > yin zhi wan. How does this sound? Thank you for your > > input. > > Petra. > > --- East Dakota <eastdakota (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: > > > > > Petra, > > > > > > Re: Long Dan Xie Gan Tang for herpes - I am sure > you > > > are accurately > > > differentiating your patient's patterns, however, > > > Long Dan Xie Gan Tang is > > > generally for acute Liver fire, or damp-heat with > no > > > deficiency. It is > > > beaten into our heads in school that herpes = long > > > dan xie gan tang. > > > However, if the patient has had chronic eczema, > > > there is almost certainly > > > some deficiency. During an acute outbreak of > herpes, > > > sometimes a patient > > > will feel irritable, and display heat-signs. Other > > > times, even during an > > > acute outbreak, there will be very few to no signs > > > of damp-heat in the liver > > > or liver fire. Instead, they often present with > much > > > more vacuity. I have > > > found that supplementing a patient's Qi and Blood > > > (modified for the > > > patient's specific pattern) and overall immune > > > system and stress support is > > > very effective in preventing outbreaks. During an > > > outbreak, if a patient > > > does not display those heat signs, I find very > > > little success with Long Dan > > > Xie Gan Tang - in fact, I have sometimes found it > to > > > exacerbate the > > > condition, and I have never found it useful for > > > longer than a few days with > > > any of my patients suffering from herpes. As soon > as > > > the heat signs are > > > gone, I switch the formula. > > > > > > Hope that is helpful. > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > Nadia Haddad, MS, L.Ac > > > Boulder, CO > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ > _________ _ > > > Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join > the > > > i�m Initiative now. > > > It�s free. > > > > > http://im.live. com/messenger/ im/home/? > source=TAGHM_ June07 > > > > > > > > > > > > Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at > > > Times > > > http://www.chinesem edicinetimes. com > > > > > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, > click, > > > > > http://toolbar. thebizplace. com/LandingPage. > aspx/CT145145 > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Traditiona > l_Chinese_ Medicine/ join > > > and adjust accordingly. > > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar./toolbar/features/mail/index.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Hmm. Hot and Cold foods. Hot foods are contraindicated (probably) for this patient who seems to have wind-heat or blood heat etc. Cold foods would be contraindicated if the patient presents with cold or deficiency. As an aside, no, microwaving foods is not that great of an idea. Talk to you later, Hugo Petra Buchanan <petrabuchanan Chinese Medicine Friday, 22 June, 2007 7:32:47 AM Re: Re: gua sha for exzema What do you mean by heating of food stuffs? Microwave, at all? Are you recommending only raw food? --- Hugo Ramiro <subincor > wrote: > Hi Petra, so you've told her that she has to stop > the alcohol and coffee, at least temporarily, right? > Also find out what kinds of meats she eats and her > bedtimes as well. It's very important for her to > sleep early and sleep well. This plus the > elimination of heating foodstuffs will allow the > fomulas to work much mroe effectively. > > Hugo > > > Petra Buchanan <petrabuchanan@ > > > Thursday, 21 June, 2007 8:20:40 PM > Re: Re: gua sha for exzema > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nadia. I believe that this is an > acute outbreak. > > The patient has had it for a year. But > intermittently. > > Right now she is having an outbreak. Her tongue this > > week is red, slightly yellow coat. Her pulse is > > slippery, though not super strong, not weak, just > not > > forcefull. She also just told me that she drinks two > > glasses of red wine every night, and coffee every > am. > > My plan is to put her on this for a short while, > then > > switch to something more tonifying such as dang qui > > yin zhi wan. How does this sound? Thank you for your > > input. > > Petra. > > --- East Dakota <eastdakota@ hotmail. com> wrote: > > > > > Petra, > > > > > > Re: Long Dan Xie Gan Tang for herpes - I am sure > you > > > are accurately > > > differentiating your patient's patterns, however, > > > Long Dan Xie Gan Tang is > > > generally for acute Liver fire, or damp-heat with > no > > > deficiency. It is > > > beaten into our heads in school that herpes = long > > > dan xie gan tang. > > > However, if the patient has had chronic eczema, > > > there is almost certainly > > > some deficiency. During an acute outbreak of > herpes, > > > sometimes a patient > > > will feel irritable, and display heat-signs. Other > > > times, even during an > > > acute outbreak, there will be very few to no signs > > > of damp-heat in the liver > > > or liver fire. Instead, they often present with > much > > > more vacuity. I have > > > found that supplementing a patient's Qi and Blood > > > (modified for the > > > patient's specific pattern) and overall immune > > > system and stress support is > > > very effective in preventing outbreaks. During an > > > outbreak, if a patient > > > does not display those heat signs, I find very > > > little success with Long Dan > > > Xie Gan Tang - in fact, I have sometimes found it > to > > > exacerbate the > > > condition, and I have never found it useful for > > > longer than a few days with > > > any of my patients suffering from herpes. As soon > as > > > the heat signs are > > > gone, I switch the formula. > > > > > > Hope that is helpful. > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > Nadia Haddad, MS, L.Ac > > > Boulder, CO > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ > _________ _ > > > Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join > the > > > i�m Initiative now. > > > It�s free. > > > > > http://im.live. com/messenger/ im/home/? > source=TAGHM_ June07 > > > > > > > > > > > > Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at > > > Times > > > http://www.chinesem edicinetimes. com > > > > > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, > click, > > > > > http://toolbar. thebizplace. com/LandingPage. > aspx/CT145145 > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Traditiona > l_Chinese_ Medicine/ join > > > and adjust accordingly. > > === message truncated === ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar. / toolbar/features /mail/index. php <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0;} #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both;} #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px;} #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text-align:right;} #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left;white-space:nowrap;} ..bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;padding:15px 0;} #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana;font-size:77%;border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px;} #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold;color:#333;text-transform:upp\ ercase;} #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0;margin:2px 0;} #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text-align:right;padding-ri\ ght:.5em;} #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px;background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font-size:100%;line-height:122%\ ;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0;} o {font-size:0;} ..MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0;} #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%;} blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} ..replbq {margin:4;} --> _________ Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Mail. http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 I think he means the thermal nature of the foods like we talk about the thermal " qi " of herbs, for example: alcohol tends to be considered heating because it makes people red and they sweat and act boisterous, cucumbers tend to be considered cooling because they are mild and watery. There is a well established notion of the thermal natures of various foods, to the extent that it is cross cultural in some cases, but, the Chinese probably have the most elaborate system of understanding the stuff. Any decent TCM-Five Phase diet book should have information on this. There are a number of foods that TCM cautions against with any sort of eruptive skin disorder (which are typically seen as manifestations of blood heat, damp heat, and toxic materials rising to the surface of the body), including shellfish, and alcohol, and probably some others that I'm probably forgetting right now. Cooking can influence the thermal nature of food somewhat, as you will see in a Macrobiotic or five phase cookbook, but it will not change the inherent nature of the food. In a way you can think about it more like how we prepare different medicinals in different ways. Par - Hugo Ramiro Chinese Medicine Friday, June 22, 2007 1:34 PM Re: Re: gua sha for exzema Hmm. Hot and Cold foods. Hot foods are contraindicated (probably) for this patient who seems to have wind-heat or blood heat etc. Cold foods would be contraindicated if the patient presents with cold or deficiency. As an aside, no, microwaving foods is not that great of an idea. Talk to you later, Hugo Petra Buchanan <petrabuchanan Chinese Medicine Friday, 22 June, 2007 7:32:47 AM Re: Re: gua sha for exzema What do you mean by heating of food stuffs? Microwave, at all? Are you recommending only raw food? --- Hugo Ramiro <subincor > wrote: > Hi Petra, so you've told her that she has to stop > the alcohol and coffee, at least temporarily, right? > Also find out what kinds of meats she eats and her > bedtimes as well. It's very important for her to > sleep early and sleep well. This plus the > elimination of heating foodstuffs will allow the > fomulas to work much mroe effectively. > > Hugo > > > Petra Buchanan <petrabuchanan@ > > > Thursday, 21 June, 2007 8:20:40 PM > Re: Re: gua sha for exzema > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nadia. I believe that this is an > acute outbreak. > > The patient has had it for a year. But > intermittently. > > Right now she is having an outbreak. Her tongue this > > week is red, slightly yellow coat. Her pulse is > > slippery, though not super strong, not weak, just > not > > forcefull. She also just told me that she drinks two > > glasses of red wine every night, and coffee every > am. > > My plan is to put her on this for a short while, > then > > switch to something more tonifying such as dang qui > > yin zhi wan. How does this sound? Thank you for your > > input. > > Petra. > > --- East Dakota <eastdakota@ hotmail. com> wrote: > > > > > Petra, > > > > > > Re: Long Dan Xie Gan Tang for herpes - I am sure > you > > > are accurately > > > differentiating your patient's patterns, however, > > > Long Dan Xie Gan Tang is > > > generally for acute Liver fire, or damp-heat with > no > > > deficiency. It is > > > beaten into our heads in school that herpes = long > > > dan xie gan tang. > > > However, if the patient has had chronic eczema, > > > there is almost certainly > > > some deficiency. During an acute outbreak of > herpes, > > > sometimes a patient > > > will feel irritable, and display heat-signs. Other > > > times, even during an > > > acute outbreak, there will be very few to no signs > > > of damp-heat in the liver > > > or liver fire. Instead, they often present with > much > > > more vacuity. I have > > > found that supplementing a patient's Qi and Blood > > > (modified for the > > > patient's specific pattern) and overall immune > > > system and stress support is > > > very effective in preventing outbreaks. During an > > > outbreak, if a patient > > > does not display those heat signs, I find very > > > little success with Long Dan > > > Xie Gan Tang - in fact, I have sometimes found it > to > > > exacerbate the > > > condition, and I have never found it useful for > > > longer than a few days with > > > any of my patients suffering from herpes. As soon > as > > > the heat signs are > > > gone, I switch the formula. > > > > > > Hope that is helpful. > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > Nadia Haddad, MS, L.Ac > > > Boulder, CO > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ > _________ _ > > > Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join > the > > > i�m Initiative now. > > > It�s free. > > > > > http://im.live. com/messenger/ im/home/? > source=TAGHM_ June07 > > > > > > > > > > > > Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at > > > Times > > > http://www.chinesem edicinetimes. com > > > > > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, > click, > > > > > http://toolbar. thebizplace. com/LandingPage. > aspx/CT145145 > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Traditiona > l_Chinese_ Medicine/ join > > > and adjust accordingly. > > === message truncated === ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar. / toolbar/features /mail/index. php <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0;} #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both;} #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px;} #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text-align:right;} #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left;white-space:nowrap;} .bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;padding:15px 0;} #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana;font-size:77%;border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px;} #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold;color:#333;text-transform:upp\ ercase;} #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0;margin:2px 0;} #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text-align:right;padding-ri\ ght:.5em;} #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px;background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font-size:100%;line-height:122%\ ;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0;} o {font-size:0;} .MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0;} #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%;} blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} .replbq {margin:4;} --> ________ Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Mail. http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 An update on my patient. I ended up giving her long dan xie gan tang to address the herpes as well, the qua sha seems to be working becouse everywhere that I did it is almost rash free. And I am very proud of my patient she has not had any coffee, dairy, wine, or wheat since the last treatment. For some reason your answers did not show up until just now when I responded, I am now having this patient do a major diet overhaul. I had already given her a paper explaining which foods to avoid becouse they created damp heat and which to eat becouse they clear heat and nourish blook. --- Par Scott <parufus wrote: > I think he means the thermal nature of the foods > like we talk about the thermal " qi " of herbs, for > example: alcohol tends to be considered heating > because it makes people red and they sweat and act > boisterous, cucumbers tend to be considered cooling > because they are mild and watery. There is a well > established notion of the thermal natures of various > foods, to the extent that it is cross cultural in > some cases, but, the Chinese probably have the most > elaborate system of understanding the stuff. Any > decent TCM-Five Phase diet book should have > information on this. There are a number of foods > that TCM cautions against with any sort of eruptive > skin disorder (which are typically seen as > manifestations of blood heat, damp heat, and toxic > materials rising to the surface of the body), > including shellfish, and alcohol, and probably some > others that I'm probably forgetting right now. > Cooking can influence the thermal nature of food > somewhat, as you will see in a Macrobiotic or five > phase cookbook, but it will not change the inherent > nature of the food. In a way you can think about it > more like how we prepare different medicinals in > different ways. > > Par > > - > Hugo Ramiro > Chinese Medicine > Friday, June 22, 2007 1:34 PM > Re: Re: gua sha for exzema > > > Hmm. Hot and Cold foods. Hot foods are > contraindicated (probably) for this patient who > seems to have wind-heat or blood heat etc. Cold > foods would be contraindicated if the patient > presents with cold or deficiency. > As an aside, no, microwaving foods is not that > great of an idea. > > Talk to you later, > Hugo > > > Petra Buchanan <petrabuchanan > Chinese Medicine > Friday, 22 June, 2007 7:32:47 AM > Re: Re: gua sha for exzema > > What do you mean by heating of food stuffs? > Microwave, > > at all? Are you recommending only raw food? > > --- Hugo Ramiro <subincor > wrote: > > > Hi Petra, so you've told her that she has to > stop > > > the alcohol and coffee, at least temporarily, > right? > > > Also find out what kinds of meats she eats and > her > > > bedtimes as well. It's very important for her to > > > sleep early and sleep well. This plus the > > > elimination of heating foodstuffs will allow the > > > fomulas to work much mroe effectively. > > > > > > Hugo > > > > > > > > > Petra Buchanan <petrabuchanan@ > > > > Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine @. > com > > > Thursday, 21 June, 2007 8:20:40 PM > > > Re: Re: gua sha for exzema > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nadia. I believe that this is an > > > acute outbreak. > > > > > > The patient has had it for a year. But > > > intermittently. > > > > > > Right now she is having an outbreak. Her tongue > this > > > > > > week is red, slightly yellow coat. Her pulse is > > > > > > slippery, though not super strong, not weak, > just > > > not > > > > > > forcefull. She also just told me that she drinks > two > > > > > > glasses of red wine every night, and coffee > every > > > am. > > > > > > My plan is to put her on this for a short while, > > > then > > > > > > switch to something more tonifying such as dang > qui > > > > > > yin zhi wan. How does this sound? Thank you for > your > > > > > > input. > > > > > > Petra. > > > > > > --- East Dakota <eastdakota@ hotmail. com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Petra, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Long Dan Xie Gan Tang for herpes - I am > sure > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile./mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Chinese Medicine , Petra Buchanan <petrabuchanan wrote: > > An update on my patient. I ended up giving her long > dan xie gan tang to address the herpes as well, the > qua sha seems to be working becouse everywhere that I > did it is almost rash free. And I am very proud of my > patient she has not had any coffee, dairy, wine, or > wheat since the last treatment. For some reason your > answers did not show up until just now when I > responded, I am now having this patient do a major > diet overhaul. I had already given her a paper > explaining which foods to avoid becouse they created > damp heat and which to eat becouse they clear heat and > nourish blook. > --- Par Scott <parufus wrote: > > > I think he means the thermal nature of the foods > > like we talk about the thermal " qi " of herbs, for > > example: alcohol tends to be considered heating > > because it makes people red and they sweat and act > > boisterous, cucumbers tend to be considered cooling > > because they are mild and watery. There is a well > > established notion of the thermal natures of various > > foods, to the extent that it is cross cultural in > > some cases, but, the Chinese probably have the most > > elaborate system of understanding the stuff. Any > > decent TCM-Five Phase diet book should have > > information on this. There are a number of foods > > that TCM cautions against with any sort of eruptive > > skin disorder (which are typically seen as > > manifestations of blood heat, damp heat, and toxic > > materials rising to the surface of the body), > > including shellfish, and alcohol, and probably some > > others that I'm probably forgetting right now. > > Cooking can influence the thermal nature of food > > somewhat, as you will see in a Macrobiotic or five > > phase cookbook, but it will not change the inherent > > nature of the food. In a way you can think about it > > more like how we prepare different medicinals in > > different ways. > > > > Par > > > > - > > Hugo Ramiro > > Chinese Medicine > > Friday, June 22, 2007 1:34 PM > > Re: Re: gua sha for exzema > > > > > > Hmm. Hot and Cold foods. Hot foods are > > contraindicated (probably) for this patient who > > seems to have wind-heat or blood heat etc. Cold > > foods would be contraindicated if the patient > > presents with cold or deficiency. > > As an aside, no, microwaving foods is not that > > great of an idea. > > > > Talk to you later, > > Hugo > > > > > > Petra Buchanan <petrabuchanan > > Chinese Medicine > > Friday, 22 June, 2007 7:32:47 AM > > Re: Re: gua sha for exzema > > > > What do you mean by heating of food stuffs? > > Microwave, > > > > at all? Are you recommending only raw food? > > > > --- Hugo Ramiro <subincor > wrote: > > > > > Hi Petra, so you've told her that she has to > > stop > > > > > the alcohol and coffee, at least temporarily, > > right? > > > > > Also find out what kinds of meats she eats and > > her > > > > > bedtimes as well. It's very important for her to > > > > > sleep early and sleep well. This plus the > > > > > elimination of heating foodstuffs will allow the > > > > > fomulas to work much mroe effectively. > > > > > > > > > > Hugo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Petra Buchanan <petrabuchanan@ > > > > > > Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine @. > > com > > > > > Thursday, 21 June, 2007 8:20:40 PM > > > > > Re: Re: gua sha for exzema > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nadia. I believe that this is an > > > > > acute outbreak. > > > > > > > > > > The patient has had it for a year. But > > > > > intermittently. > > > > > > > > > > Right now she is having an outbreak. Her tongue > > this > > > > > > > > > > week is red, slightly yellow coat. Her pulse is > > > > > > > > > > slippery, though not super strong, not weak, > > just > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > forcefull. She also just told me that she drinks > > two > > > > > > > > > > glasses of red wine every night, and coffee > > every > > > > > am. > > > > > > > > > > My plan is to put her on this for a short while, > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > switch to something more tonifying such as dang > > qui > > > > > > > > > > yin zhi wan. How does this sound? Thank you for > > your > > > > > > > > > > input. > > > > > > > > > > Petra. > > > > > > > > > > --- East Dakota <eastdakota@ hotmail. com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Petra, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Long Dan Xie Gan Tang for herpes - I am > > sure > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > http://mobile./mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.