Drug Interactions

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Luke said,

" In the comments posted by Thaddeus Jacobs, ND, we find an excellent

commentary on how we should be cautious of treating patients who have been

prescribed the medication, Coumadin /warfarin. Such caution can only be

valued in light of education in the fields of allopathic pharmaceutical

medicine. "

 

My reply:

For those unaware of the extent of a naturopaths four-year training program

I will shed some light on the subject.

Naturopathic students endure one year, in-class, of Western pharmacology,

equivalent to most major medical schools. Combine that with a year+ in

clinical nutrition (more than certified nutritionists get) AND a year+ of

Western herbal medicine and you can roughly equate that from anywhere

between 2-3 years of pharmacology training. Therefore, naturopathic

physicians are uniquely qualified and, perhaps, leaders in the field when it

comes to addressing cautions regarding " fields of allopathic pharmaceutical

medicine. " In addition, I strongly recommend that you take caution not only

when I, myself, give you advice regarding pharmacology but take caution when

even a pharmacologist with a PhD gives you cautions as well. Neither I nor

they have all the answers. Ultimately, YOU have to make the decision based

upon what you know about your patients and what you know about the tools

that you use. Research is a never-ending endeavor and knowledge is

seemingly endless. I suspect -as I've stated before- we will forever be on

the tip of the iceberg.

 

Thaddeus Jacobs, N.D., L.Ac.

 

-

Luke Klincewicz <l.klincewicz

 

Saturday, June 10, 2000 12:45 AM

Vision and revision

 

 

> Thank you to all who addressed my queries.

>

> I believe that frequency of treatment relates to methodology regardless of

> whether one practices Chinese herbal medicine, acupuncture or whatever.

We,

> hopefully, adapt to prevailing social mores.

>

> When I first opened my clinic, I treated most patients with acupuncture.

I

> very quickly came to realize that they would not or could not see me more

> frequently than once a week. I then focused much study time on Chinese

> herbal medicine and discovered that many patients were simply not

> cooperative (largely due to the effort of going to Chinatown, and then

> boiling these aromatic herbal formulations. In fact, I had one patient who

> preferred her pregancy-related morning sickness to the odor of the herbs!)

>

> I then had the good fortune to treat a patient who was receiving

Zentherapy

> bodywork. This patient was a practitioner of Aikido and had twisted a

> vertebra. Furthermore, he worked as a bartender and spent many hours on

his

> feet. He recovered after three sessions! This, of course, peaked my

> curiosity, so I asked, and discovered, that in addition to the acupuncture

> and herbal treatments he received from me, he was undergoing Zentherapy.

> Naturally, I investigated further and eventually undertook the training

> myself.

>

> These studies brought to home the idea that " to move Qi, move the blood " .

>

> During the past 20 years I have learned to adapt. I have yet to find a

> school of thought that knows it all. I appreciate the attitude of many

> here, that we don't know nearly enough about Chinese medicine. But I must

> comment that Chinese medicine does not have all the answers.

>

> Recent postings inquire as to drug/herb interactions. And they further

> point out, wisely, that even physicians (MD's, in particular) can't answer

> these questions. The reality is that we in the United States practice our

> form(s) of medicine in an environment that is radically different than

that

> of when the classics of Chinese medicine were written.

>

> These parameters include everything from lack of enzyme activity in foods

> (due to top soil demineralization and over-processing of foods), exposure

to

> electromagnetic fields, chemical exposure, etc. to emotional and

> physiological stress.

>

> In the comments posted by Thaddeus Jacobs, ND, we find an

excellent

> commentary on how we should be cautious of treating patients who have been

> prescribed the medication, Coumadin /warfarin. Such caution can only be

> valued in light of education in the fields of allopathic pharmaceutical

> medicine.

>

> As much as we can benefit from the further expansion of Pure Chinese

medical

> literacy, we must be aware that we do not live in pre-Western mystical

> China.

>

> We do not wake with the rising sun, nor do we sleep as it sets. We do not

> eat native foods....

>

> Life is (for better or worse) far more complex these days.

>

> My personal goal is first and foremost, to help my patients. I choose to

> use any and all tools in this regard. I'm not a big proponent of patent

> medicines. But I have found that American patients seem much more willing

> to take a tablet, tincture or capsule, rather than to comply with

> traditional Chinese herbal methods. Such is life, and I believe that

Daoist

> thought suggests that one adapt!

>

> In _Acupuncture Case Histories from China_ , edited by Chen Jirui, MD and

> Nissi Wang, M.Sc., most patients were treated daily, for a course of ten

> days. Many cases were resolved after three courses (daily treatment for

10

> days, a pause, then 10 more daily treatments, a total of 30 treatments in

> just over a month).

>

> This book lead to my inquiry. I have not had the good fortune of seeing

my

> patients as frequently. And though I agree with Z'ev, that I can still

help

> my patients, I question whether or not we can fall back on the out-dated

> notions of classics in the face of modern reality. I have no doubt that

the

> classics are of value. In fact, I spend many hours each week reviewing

> them. I merely state that we must move beyond them. If you have paid

> attention, you will note that many translations of the classics include

> notes from practitioners in era far removed from the origin.

>

> My intent is to best help my patients.

>

> And once again, though I benefit from the scholarly efforts of colleagues,

I

> also benefit from the efforts of those outside the field of Chinese

> medicine, like Thaddeus Jacobs. His comments regarding coumadin are right

> on!

>

> Health and happiness to all,

>

> luke

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi group, a friend asked me to check on drugs her mother is on. Can

anyone help? This is a copy of her email. Thank YOU in advance.

 

 

Chuck look at these drugs. These are the ones that my Mom is on, she

has beenhaving some big problems, we are having a girl that works at

one of the pharmacy find out for sure and then we are going to talk

to her Dr., but the thing is these meds are killing her slowly.

 

 

 

---

 

Drug Interactions Checker BackDrug interaction results for the

following 13 drug(s):acetaminophen (Ingredient of hydrocodone-

acetaminophen)

amitriptyline

Crestor (rosuvastatin)

cyclobenzaprine

Cymbalta (duloxetine)

gabapentin

hydrochlorothiazide

hydrocodone (Ingredient of hydrocodone-acetaminophen)

levothyroxine

metformin

metoprolol

Plavix (clopidogrel)

rosiglitazone (Ingredient of Avandamet)

[Guest guest]

Make sure she is using nothing with aspartame,

NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful. Aspartame is

actually a drug and interacts with all drugs

because of damage to the mitochondria or life of the cell.

 

Also, stay away from Splenda which is very

dangerous and causes everything from seizures to cardiac problems.

 

There are natural things for some of these drugs that are so dangerous.

 

Regards,

BettyAt 01:26 PM 10/29/2008, electraglide003 wrote:

 

>Hi group, a friend asked me to check on drugs her mother is on. Can

>anyone help? This is a copy of her email. Thank YOU in advance.

>

>Chuck look at these drugs. These are the ones that my Mom is on, she

>has beenhaving some big problems, we are having a girl that works at

>one of the pharmacy find out for sure and then we are going to talk

>to her Dr., but the thing is these meds are killing her slowly.

>

>---

>

>Drug Interactions Checker BackDrug interaction results for the

>following 13 drug(s):acetaminophen (Ingredient of hydrocodone-

>acetaminophen)

>amitriptyline

>Crestor (rosuvastatin)

>cyclobenzaprine

>Cymbalta (duloxetine)

>gabapentin

>hydrochlorothiazide

>hydrocodone (Ingredient of hydrocodone-acetaminophen)

>levothyroxine

>metformin

>metoprolol

>Plavix (clopidogrel)

>rosiglitazone (Ingredient of Avandamet)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just at a quick glance someone's mother's medication regime - she is being

given an anti-depressive possibly to " help " her sleep, she is on a statin

for her " cholesterol " she is on anti-inflamatories for her arthritis - which

can be caused by the other drugs but which will affect her adrenal function,

anti-hypertensives for her blood pressure, hypoglycaemics for her diabetes

and gabapentin for neurological pain.

 

If you can persuade her to stop the statin her arthritic symptoms will

reduce - change her diet and her hypoglcaemics will not be necessary and

will stop her gut problems.

 

It isn't so much what the drugs are doing to each other more what they are

doing to the patient - side-effects are being treated with other drugs whose

side-effects alone are more harmful than the original - reduce the

amitryptaline and allow her to sleep naturally - but reduce it slowly and

give her support if her emotional state is upset for a few days.

 

Get her to drink more water and reduce her cortisone and gabapentin and give

her some more natural form of pain relief if she still needs it after she

stops the statins.

 

Lets us know how you go - that is if the patient and the relative are brave

enough to start the weaning process at all and go against the incompetence

of her doctor.

 

Best,

 

Jane-

" electraglide003 " <electraglide003

 

Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:26 AM

Drug Interactions

 

 

Hi group, a friend asked me to check on drugs her mother is on. Can

anyone help? This is a copy of her email. Thank YOU in advance.

 

 

Chuck look at these drugs. These are the ones that my Mom is on, she

has beenhaving some big problems, we are having a girl that works at

one of the pharmacy find out for sure and then we are going to talk

to her Dr., but the thing is these meds are killing her slowly.

 

 

 

---

 

Drug Interactions Checker BackDrug interaction results for the

following 13 drug(s):acetaminophen (Ingredient of hydrocodone-

acetaminophen)

amitriptyline

Crestor (rosuvastatin)

cyclobenzaprine

Cymbalta (duloxetine)

gabapentin

hydrochlorothiazide

hydrocodone (Ingredient of hydrocodone-acetaminophen)

levothyroxine

metformin

metoprolol

Plavix (clopidogrel)

rosiglitazone (Ingredient of Avandamet)

 

 

 

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Thank YOU for taking time to answer! I will forward this to my friend. This advice makes perfect sense to me.

Chuck

--- On Wed, 10/29/08, Dr. Betty Martini,D.Hum. <bettym19 wrote:

Dr. Betty Martini,D.Hum. <bettym19Re: Drug Interactions , Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 12:33 PM

 

 

Make sure she is using nothing with aspartame, NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful. Aspartame is actually a drug and interacts with all drugs because of damage to the mitochondria or life of the cell.Also, stay away from Splenda which is very dangerous and causes everything from seizures to cardiac problems.There are natural things for some of these drugs that are so dangerous.Regards,BettyAt 01:26 PM 10/29/2008, electraglide003 wrote:>Hi group, a friend asked me to check on drugs her mother is on. Can>anyone help? This is a copy of her email. Thank YOU in advance.>>Chuck look at these drugs. These are the ones that my Mom is on, she>has beenhaving some big problems, we are having a girl that works at>one of the pharmacy find out for sure and then we are going to talk>to her Dr., but the thing is these meds are killing her

slowly.>>--->>Drug Interactions Checker BackDrug interaction results for the>following 13 drug(s):acetaminoph en (Ingredient of hydrocodone->acetaminophen)>amitriptyline>Crestor (rosuvastatin)>cyclobenzaprine>Cymbalta (duloxetine)>gabapentin>hydrochlorothiazid e>hydrocodone (Ingredient of hydrocodone- acetaminophen)>levothyroxine>metformin>metoprolol>Plavix (clopidogrel)>rosiglitazone (Ingredient of Avandamet)>>

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Thank YOU Jane! This may be what it takes to get through to my friends mother!

This too, will be forwarded and put to use.

 

--- On Wed, 10/29/08, Jane MacRoss <highfield1 wrote:

Jane MacRoss <highfield1Re: Drug Interactions Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 1:08 PM

 

 

Just at a quick glance someone's mother's medication regime - she is being given an anti-depressive possibly to "help" her sleep, she is on a statin for her "cholesterol" she is on anti-inflamatories for her arthritis - which can be caused by the other drugs but which will affect her adrenal function, anti-hypertensives for her blood pressure, hypoglycaemics for her diabetes and gabapentin for neurological pain.If you can persuade her to stop the statin her arthritic symptoms will reduce - change her diet and her hypoglcaemics will not be necessary and will stop her gut problems.It isn't so much what the drugs are doing to each other more what they are doing to the patient - side-effects are being treated with other drugs whose side-effects alone are more harmful than the original - reduce the amitryptaline and allow her to sleep naturally - but reduce it slowly and give her support if her

emotional state is upset for a few days.Get her to drink more water and reduce her cortisone and gabapentin and give her some more natural form of pain relief if she still needs it after she stops the statins.Lets us know how you go - that is if the patient and the relative are brave enough to start the weaning process at all and go against the incompetence of her doctor.Best,Jane- "electraglide003" <electraglide003@ ><>Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:26 AM[Health_and_ Healing] Drug InteractionsHi group, a friend asked me to check on drugs her mother is on. Cananyone help? This is a copy of her email. Thank YOU in

advance.Chuck look at these drugs. These are the ones that my Mom is on, shehas beenhaving some big problems, we are having a girl that works atone of the pharmacy find out for sure and then we are going to talkto her Dr., but the thing is these meds are killing her slowly.--- Drug Interactions Checker BackDrug interaction results for thefollowing 13 drug(s):acetaminoph en (Ingredient of hydrocodone-acetaminophen)amitriptylineCrestor (rosuvastatin)cyclobenzaprineCymbalta (duloxetine)gabapentinhydrochlorothiazidehydrocodone (Ingredient of hydrocodone- acetaminophen)levothyroxinemetforminmetoprololPlavix (clopidogrel)rosiglitazone (Ingredient of Avandamet)------------ --------- --------- ------«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»§

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Its a pleasure - and on second thoughts I remembered that as far as side-effects go anti-psychotics and gabapentin are not good together - you might like to google that - the Amitriptyline may be causing more problems than necessary ....... there may be more side-effects I haven't checked them .....

 

Best,

 

Jane

 

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:43 AM

Re: Drug Interactions

 

 

 

 

 

Thank YOU Jane! This may be what it takes to get through to my friends mother!

This too, will be forwarded and put to use.

 

--- On Wed, 10/29/08, Jane MacRoss <highfield1 wrote:

Jane MacRoss <highfield1Re: Drug Interactions Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 1:08 PM

 

 

Just at a quick glance someone's mother's medication regime - she is being given an anti-depressive possibly to "help" her sleep, she is on a statin for her "cholesterol" she is on anti-inflamatories for her arthritis - which can be caused by the other drugs but which will affect her adrenal function, anti-hypertensives for her blood pressure, hypoglycaemics for her diabetes and gabapentin for neurological pain.If you can persuade her to stop the statin her arthritic symptoms will reduce - change her diet and her hypoglcaemics will not be necessary and will stop her gut problems.It isn't so much what the drugs are doing to each other more what they are doing to the patient - side-effects are being treated with other drugs whose side-effects alone are more harmful than the original - reduce the amitryptaline and allow her to sleep naturally - but reduce it slowly and give her support if her emotional state is upset for a few days.Get her to drink more water and reduce her cortisone and gabapentin and give her some more natural form of pain relief if she still needs it after she stops the statins.Lets us know how you go - that is if the patient and the relative are brave enough to start the weaning process at all and go against the incompetence of her doctor.Best,Jane- "electraglide003" <electraglide003@ ><>Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:26 AM[Health_and_ Healing] Drug InteractionsHi group, a friend asked me to check on drugs her mother is on. Cananyone help? This is a copy of her email. Thank YOU in advance.Chuck look at these drugs. These are the ones that my Mom is on, shehas beenhaving some big problems, we are having a girl that works atone of the pharmacy find out for sure and then we are going to talkto her Dr., but the thing is these meds are killing her slowly.--- Drug Interactions Checker BackDrug interaction results for thefollowing 13 drug(s):acetaminoph en (Ingredient of hydrocodone-acetaminophen)amitriptylineCrestor (rosuvastatin)cyclobenzaprineCymbalta (duloxetine)gabapentinhydrochlorothiazidehydrocodone (Ingredient of hydrocodone- acetaminophen)levothyroxinemetforminmetoprololPlavix (clopidogrel)rosiglitazone (Ingredient of Avandamet)------------ --------- --------- ------«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»§ - PULSE ON 21st CENTURY ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE! §http://groups. / group/Health_ and_HealingSubscribe:.. ....... - «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»DISCLOSURE:Any information here in is for educational purpose only; it may be news related, purely speculation or SOMEONE'S OPINION. Always consult with a qualified Medical Doctor before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses.SUBMISSION POLICY & CONDITION OF MEMBERSHIP:By becoming a member of this group you AGREE to hold this group its members, list owners, moderators and affiliates harmless of any liability for any direct, consequential, incidental, damage incurred.Anything going to this list may eventually be posted on another list.If you post a piece to the list. We reserve the right to attach yourname and email address to the piece, as well as to keep them on record.You should NOT post copyrighted material unless proper attributionsto the source of the material are made.Submissions are gladly accepted. Please feel free to post material thatyou think is worthy.YOU AGREE; to accept responsibility and liability for your own actions and to contact a licensed Medical Doctor before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses.IF YOU DO NOT AGREE; you must :

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This is a good site where you can look at the side-effects of the drugs she is on and draw your own conclusions:

 

http://www.medicinenet.com/gabapentin-oral/page2.htm#DrugInteractions

 

Best,

 

Jane

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jane! Yes, I personally would like to know more of Amitriptyline. I value your knowledge and expertise!

 

Best Regards

 

--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Jane MacRoss <highfield1 wrote:

Jane MacRoss <highfield1Re: Drug Interactions Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 8:36 PM

 

 

 

Its a pleasure - and on second thoughts I remembered that as far as side-effects go anti-psychotics and gabapentin are not good together - you might like to google that - the Amitriptyline may be causing more problems than necessary ....... there may be more side-effects I haven't checked them .....

 

Best,

 

Jane

 

-

Traveler

 

Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:43 AM

Re: [Health_and_ Healing] Drug Interactions

 

 

 

 

 

Thank YOU Jane! This may be what it takes to get through to my friends mother!

This too, will be forwarded and put to use.

 

--- On Wed, 10/29/08, Jane MacRoss <highfield1 (AT) activ8 (DOT) net.au> wrote:

Jane MacRoss <highfield1 (AT) activ8 (DOT) net.au>Re: [Health_and_ Healing] Drug InteractionsWednesday, October 29, 2008, 1:08 PM

 

 

Just at a quick glance someone's mother's medication regime - she is being given an anti-depressive possibly to "help" her sleep, she is on a statin for her "cholesterol" she is on anti-inflamatories for her arthritis - which can be caused by the other drugs but which will affect her adrenal function, anti-hypertensives for her blood pressure, hypoglycaemics for her diabetes and gabapentin for neurological pain.If you can persuade her to stop the statin her arthritic symptoms will reduce - change her diet and her hypoglcaemics will not be necessary and will stop her gut problems.It isn't so much what the drugs are doing to each other more what they are doing to the patient - side-effects are being treated with other drugs whose side-effects alone are more harmful than the original - reduce the amitryptaline and allow her to sleep naturally - but reduce it slowly and give her support if her

emotional state is upset for a few days.Get her to drink more water and reduce her cortisone and gabapentin and give her some more natural form of pain relief if she still needs it after she stops the statins.Lets us know how you go - that is if the patient and the relative are brave enough to start the weaning process at all and go against the incompetence of her doctor.Best,Jane- "electraglide003" <electraglide003@ ><>Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:26 AM[Health_and_ Healing] Drug InteractionsHi group, a friend asked me to check on drugs her mother is on. Cananyone help? This is a copy of her email. Thank YOU in

advance.Chuck look at these drugs. These are the ones that my Mom is on, shehas beenhaving some big problems, we are having a girl that works atone of the pharmacy find out for sure and then we are going to talkto her Dr., but the thing is these meds are killing her slowly.--- Drug Interactions Checker BackDrug interaction results for thefollowing 13 drug(s):acetaminoph en (Ingredient of hydrocodone-acetaminophen)amitriptylineCrestor (rosuvastatin)cyclobenzaprineCymbalta (duloxetine)gabapentinhydrochlorothiazidehydrocodone (Ingredient of hydrocodone- acetaminophen)levothyroxinemetforminmetoprololPlavix (clopidogrel)rosiglitazone (Ingredient of Avandamet)------------ --------- --------- ------«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»§

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list owners, moderators and affiliates harmless of any liability for any direct, consequential, incidental, damage incurred.Anything going to this list may eventually be posted on another list.If you post a piece to the list. We reserve the right to attach yourname and email address to the piece, as well as to keep them on record.You should NOT post copyrighted material unless proper attributionsto the source of the material are made.Submissions are gladly accepted. Please feel free to post material thatyou think is worthy.YOU AGREE; to accept responsibility and liability for your own actions and to contact a licensed Medical Doctor before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses.IF YOU DO NOT AGREE; you must :