vitamins

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Friends:

who here is knowledgable about vitamins?

 

 

For a long time we have been trying to buy, what we thought were more 'natural' vitamins.... seemingly from whole foods..... for example a capsule containing ONLY dried berry as in Hawthorne...... no fillers etc

 

Now having said that, today I came across a comment from a person I consider highly respectable in the 'industry'.... about vitamins:

 

 

By the way, I see that Jordin Rubin, of Garden of Life has just come out with a whole food vitamin. Don't know anything about it, but his products sell well here in FL. I don't know if it's because they are really good or because he is FL based. I do remember you saying that a product like that would require a lot of ingredients (I think you said that) and would be expensive. I wonder how it will do. He seems to write a book every time he brings a product out, very prolific.

Answer: from Warren

I am pleased that you raise this Gayle. Dr Mercola claims the same for his Multi.

You are right. In order to produce ‘whole food’ vitamins the cost would be horrific. But, neither Garden or Life or Dr Mercola use ‘whole food’ vitamins in the strict sense of the word. In other words they are NOT sourced from plants. They use the same vitamins that we do.

Let me explain.

There are two sources used for the production of vitamins. One is petrochemical based which are common in the cheaper supplements.

The other is the ‘natural’ form which are produced using bio-technology using yeast as the growth medium. So, in that sense they are ‘grown’ and as natural as it is possible to get.

However, to refer to them as being sourced from ‘whole food’ is a bit of a stretch and using ‘marketing license’ and in my opinion is misleading.(from: http://xtendlife.squarespace.com/warren_matthews_blog/2008/8/11/are-garden-of-life-and-dr-mercolas-vitamins-really-from-whol.html )

 

So does this mean that all (the better quality) vitamins are synthetic per se? Grown on yeast etc? Is it impossible to get pure healthy non synthetic vitamins? Was I being too hopefull? I took the libery to put below a few examples of what I had considered to be pure - or better quality type vitamins...... IF what I read before is correct then these are also chemically made in a laboratory.... would I be correct? So there is nothing natural about them either? COMMENTS? THOUGHTS PLEASE

 

 

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The ones you mentioned here, Garden of Life and Dr. Mercola vitamins,

and so many others too - like Swanson, Puritan, Vitamin Shop, etc.

etc. - they all have tons of money for advertising, so most of what

you hear is a lot of hype. Even if they say it is whole food

vitamins, it is isolated from whole foods - not the whole food itself.

 

All those vitamin pills and whole food pills look good with all the

stuff that's in there – but those are all isolated nutrients – even if

they're natural – they're still isolated. Nothing is found in nature

like that – mega-doses of stuff. When you isolate compounds from a

natural substance you lose the synergy of the whole plant.

 

So a whole food supplement is just that - a " whole food " - just one

word in the ingredient label. For instance - blue green algae, or bee

pollen, or wheat grass. Those are whole foods. Of the whole food

supplements, blue green algae is the most nutrient-dense on the planet.

 

Minerals and trace minerals are important for life - enzymes don't

work without them. And most vitamin supplements don't have the trace

minerals. And anyway, who knows what all the trace minerals are,

except God and Nature. Some vitamins/minerals haven't even been

identified as yet. For instance, CoQ10 was identified in 1958 - yet

it existed eons before that - it's just that nobody found it before

that. I'm sure there are other nutrients out there that have yet to

be discovered. So - you would not get the " other " nutrients in a

man-made vitamin, because nobody would know to even add it. That's

why a real whole food supplement would supply that - the nutrients are

already naturally occurring in a whole food supplement.

 

As Brian Clement says in his book " The Vitamin Myth " - " Taking

synthetic vitamins in milligram quantities is related to the RDA's

(Recommended Daily Allowance) or the more modern RDI's (Recommended

Daily Intake), but this still does not actually relate to potency

because potency of a vitamin has to do with its effectiveness and

assimilation not its weight. Weight and potency, in this case, are two

different things. Naturally occurring whole complexed vitamins from

foods created by nature are more " potent " per milligram than synthetic

fractions of those vitamins because it is the whole, real vitamin that

the body requires not a synthetic chemical substitute of a fraction of

a vitamin that has been chemically synthesized a laboratory. "

 

Plus - how many " components " of the vitamin/mineral pills you take

come from China? Probably a lot!

 

I get all my nutrition in a whole food form - blue green algae grown

and packaged in the USA.

 

Carol

 

 

, " Clares Primus "

<mcharris wrote:

> Friends:

> who here is knowledgable about vitamins?

> For a long time we have been trying to buy, what we thought were

more 'natural' vitamins.... seemingly from whole foods..... for

example a capsule containing ONLY dried berry as in Hawthorne...... no

fillers etc

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I always thought that Nature's Sunshine was a good brand ........... but i

don't seem to have one here to see what is actually in it - they are saying

that Magnesium Stearate prevents absorption of the benefits anyway but that

there are very few manufacturers who will not use this additive - to avoid

it seems to be very difficult

 

Jane

 

 

 

The ones you mentioned here, Garden of Life and Dr. Mercola vitamins,

and so many others too - like Swanson, Puritan, Vitamin Shop, etc.

etc. - they all have tons of money for advertising, so most of what

you hear is a lot of hype. Even if they say it is whole food

vitamins, it is isolated from whole foods - not the whole food itself.

 

All those vitamin pills and whole food pills look good with all the

stuff that's in there - but those are all isolated nutrients - even if

they're natural - they're still isolated. Nothing is found in nature

like that - mega-doses of stuff. When you isolate compounds from a

natural substance you lose the synergy of the whole plant.

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I used to be a distributor years ago for Nature's Sunshine products.

Their products are ok, but they are not considered whole food

supplements, because mostly what is used is either the root, or the

leaf, or the flower, or the stem, etc. - not the whole food. They

will lead you to believe it is a whole food, but it is not. And the

herbs they sell target certain " problems " in the body, they don't

address whole body health, like a whole food supplement does.

 

Carol

 

, " Jane MacRoss "

<highfield1 wrote:

>

> I always thought that Nature's Sunshine was a good brand ...........

but i

> don't seem to have one here to see what is actually in it - they are

saying

> that Magnesium Stearate prevents absorption of the benefits anyway

but that

> there are very few manufacturers who will not use this additive - to

avoid

> it seems to be very difficult

>

> Jane

>

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I used to be a distributor years ago for Nature's Sunshine products.

Their products are ok, but they are not considered whole food

supplements, because mostly what is used is either the root, or the

leaf, or the flower, or the stem, etc. - not the whole food. They

will lead you to believe it is a whole food, but it is not. And the

herbs they sell target certain "problems" in the body, they don't

address whole body health, like a whole food supplement does.

 

Carol

 

, "Jane MacRoss"

<highfield1@ ...> wrote:

>

> I always thought that Nature's Sunshine was a good brand ...........

but i

> don't seem to have one here to see what is actually in it - they are

saying

> that Magnesium Stearate prevents absorption of the benefits anyway

but that

> there are very few manufacturers who will not use this additive - to

avoid

> it seems to be very difficult

>

> Jane

>

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Vemma is just a bunch of isolated/synthetic ingredients. Plus, didn't

you read the " other " ingredients? Why would you put this stuff in

your body?!?!?

 

fructose, flavors, potassium sorbate, sodium benzoate, malic acid,

xanthan gum, carmine color (do you know they get carmine color from

red beetles?) - the sugar-free version has the poison sucralose.

 

I've said it here a million times before - BENZOATES CONTRIBUTE TO

ADHD - don't give this drink to kids (or anyone else for that matter).

 

Carol

 

, Duane Pfeiffer

<farmer279 wrote:

 

> http://www.myvemma.com/dpfeiffer   Look at this one  it is great 

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Lynda

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