Guest guest Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 " What's the big deal about abortion " ?? Are you freaking kiddding me? " Little more than an egg " ???? I am so stunned at the your ignorance, I don't even know what to say. I think I'm going to be sick. , kerley983 wrote: > > BIRD FLU- SARS didn't do the job, AIDS didn't do the job- but just like > Prince Philip said-(he's married to the Queen of England) he would like to come > back as a VIRUS to do the job that other virus' didn't do- namely, KILL MORE > PEOPLE! > > Quite often I read about this . If we are over populated what is the big > thing about abortion.??? If people do not want abortion, why not do it like the > first week after it happens, it would seem that it is little more than an > egg. Why not offer something like a reward to get sterilized??? $1000.00 to > citizens who do this, tax free. Why not sterilization. it should be free > choice. What this is all about I think is control, nothing else makes sense. > I once read that the goal is to reduce the population 50% and it looks like > there is no free choice. They are going to kill us with drugs, war, and some > of the horrible additives the FDA passes to put in our food. How about some > of the sugar substitutes. Lying to get us in a war to steal the countries > Oil. That has killed a few million. This kind of killing seems worse to me, > as they are walking breathing humanity. Even good old sugar is dangerous as > is carbs. sharon > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 A great many people believe that a fetus is not a human entity until it draws it's first breath upon leaving the womb and that an abortion simply destroys a potential 'vessel' and not a human being. Others believe a human being is created the moment sperm combines with egg. This has been a great debate for a long time and I'm not sure anyone really knows the truth about this, so judging another on this issue isn't wise. From: mommyon731Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:35:57 +0000 Re: is it true they want to decrease the population "What's the big deal about abortion"?? Are you freaking kiddding me? "Little more than an egg"???? I am so stunned at the your ignorance, I don't even know what to say. I think I'm going to be sick. , kerley983 wrote: > > BIRD FLU- SARS didn't do the job, AIDS didn't do the job- but just like > Prince Philip said-(he's married to the Queen of England) he would like to come > back as a VIRUS to do the job that other virus' didn't do- namely, KILL MORE > PEOPLE! > > Quite often I read about this . If we are over populated what is the big > thing about abortion.??? If people do not want abortion, why not do it like the > first week after it happens, it would seem that it is little more than an > egg. Why not offer something like a reward to get sterilized??? $1000.00 to > citizens who do this, tax free. Why not sterilization. it should be free > choice. What this is all about I think is control, nothing else makes sense. > I once read that the goal is to reduce the population 50% and it looks like > there is no free choice. They are going to kill us with drugs, war, and some > of the horrible additives the FDA passes to put in our food. How about some > of the sugar substitutes. Lying to get us in a war to steal the countries > Oil. That has killed a few million. This kind of killing seems worse to me, > as they are walking breathing humanity. Even good old sugar is dangerous as > is carbs. sharon > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. Check It Out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 Murder isn't generally considered wise either. , Rebecca Price <raprice49 wrote: > > > A great many people believe that a fetus is not a human entity until it draws it's first breath upon leaving the womb and that an abortion simply destroys a potential 'vessel' and not a human being. Others believe a human being is created the moment sperm combines with egg. This has been a great debate for a long time and I'm not sure anyone really knows the truth about this, so judging another on this issue isn't wise. > > > mommyon731 > Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:35:57 +0000 > Re: is it true they want to decrease the population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " What's the big deal about abortion " ?? Are you freaking kiddding me? > > " Little more than an egg " ???? I am so stunned at the your ignorance, > > I don't even know what to say. I think I'm going to be sick. > > > > , kerley983@ wrote: > > > > > > BIRD FLU- SARS didn't do the job, AIDS didn't do the job- but just > > like > > > Prince Philip said-(he's married to the Queen of England) he would > > like to come > > > back as a VIRUS to do the job that other virus' didn't do- namely, > > KILL MORE > > > PEOPLE! > > > > > > Quite often I read about this . If we are over populated what is the > > big > > > thing about abortion.??? If people do not want abortion, why not do > > it like the > > > first week after it happens, it would seem that it is little more > > than an > > > egg. Why not offer something like a reward to get sterilized??? > > $1000.00 to > > > citizens who do this, tax free. Why not sterilization. it should > > be free > > > choice. What this is all about I think is control, nothing else > > makes sense. > > > I once read that the goal is to reduce the population 50% and it > > looks like > > > there is no free choice. They are going to kill us with drugs, war, > > and some > > > of the horrible additives the FDA passes to put in our food. How > > about some > > > of the sugar substitutes. Lying to get us in a war to steal the > > countries > > > Oil. That has killed a few million. This kind of killing seems > > worse to me, > > > as they are walking breathing humanity. Even good old sugar is > > dangerous as > > > is carbs. sharon > > > > > > > > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find > > your travel > > > deal here. > > > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. > http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 It blows my mind that the same people who would avoid doctors/hospitals/medicine at all cost (like most people in this group) would think that it's ok for a woman to inject poison into her uterus and vacuum out the contents. That's hypocritical at best and in my opinion just disgusting. , " mommy2threelilboys " <mommyon731 wrote: > > Murder isn't generally considered wise either. > > , Rebecca Price > <raprice49@> wrote: > > > > > > A great many people believe that a fetus is not a human entity until > it draws it's first breath upon leaving the womb and that an abortion > simply destroys a potential 'vessel' and not a human being. Others > believe a human being is created the moment sperm combines with egg. > This has been a great debate for a long time and I'm not sure anyone > really knows the truth about this, so judging another on this issue > isn't wise. > > > > > > mommyon731@ > > Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:35:57 +0000 > > Re: is it true they want to decrease > the population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " What's the big deal about abortion " ?? Are you freaking > kiddding me? > > > > " Little more than an egg " ???? I am so stunned at the your ignorance, > > > > I don't even know what to say. I think I'm going to be sick. > > > > > > > > , kerley983@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > BIRD FLU- SARS didn't do the job, AIDS didn't do the job- but just > > > > like > > > > > Prince Philip said-(he's married to the Queen of England) he would > > > > like to come > > > > > back as a VIRUS to do the job that other virus' didn't do- namely, > > > > KILL MORE > > > > > PEOPLE! > > > > > > > > > > Quite often I read about this . If we are over populated what is the > > > > big > > > > > thing about abortion.??? If people do not want abortion, why not do > > > > it like the > > > > > first week after it happens, it would seem that it is little more > > > > than an > > > > > egg. Why not offer something like a reward to get sterilized??? > > > > $1000.00 to > > > > > citizens who do this, tax free. Why not sterilization. it should > > > > be free > > > > > choice. What this is all about I think is control, nothing else > > > > makes sense. > > > > > I once read that the goal is to reduce the population 50% and it > > > > looks like > > > > > there is no free choice. They are going to kill us with drugs, war, > > > > and some > > > > > of the horrible additives the FDA passes to put in our food. How > > > > about some > > > > > of the sugar substitutes. Lying to get us in a war to steal the > > > > countries > > > > > Oil. That has killed a few million. This kind of killing seems > > > > worse to me, > > > > > as they are walking breathing humanity. Even good old sugar is > > > > dangerous as > > > > > is carbs. sharon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find > > > > your travel > > > > > deal here. > > > > > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured > posts. > > http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 Let me be more clear: this is a highly inflammatory subject that should be dealt with privately, off this list serv, as it is an opinion vs. opinion topic. From: mommyon731Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:21:39 +0000 Re: is it true they want to decrease the population It blows my mind that the same people who would avoid doctors/hospitals/medicine at all cost (like most people in this group) would think that it's ok for a woman to inject poison into her uterus and vacuum out the contents. That's hypocritical at best and in my opinion just disgusting. , "mommy2threelilboys" <mommyon731 wrote: > > Murder isn't generally considered wise either. > > , Rebecca Price > <raprice49@> wrote: > > > > > > A great many people believe that a fetus is not a human entity until > it draws it's first breath upon leaving the womb and that an abortion > simply destroys a potential 'vessel' and not a human being. Others > believe a human being is created the moment sperm combines with egg. > This has been a great debate for a long time and I'm not sure anyone > really knows the truth about this, so judging another on this issue > isn't wise. > > > > > > mommyon731@ > > Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:35:57 +0000 > > Re: is it true they want to decrease > the population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What's the big deal about abortion"?? Are you freaking > kiddding me? > > > > "Little more than an egg"???? I am so stunned at the your ignorance, > > > > I don't even know what to say. I think I'm going to be sick. > > > > > > > > , kerley983@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > BIRD FLU- SARS didn't do the job, AIDS didn't do the job- but just > > > > like > > > > > Prince Philip said-(he's married to the Queen of England) he would > > > > like to come > > > > > back as a VIRUS to do the job that other virus' didn't do- namely, > > > > KILL MORE > > > > > PEOPLE! > > > > > > > > > > Quite often I read about this . If we are over populated what is the > > > > big > > > > > thing about abortion.??? If people do not want abortion, why not do > > > > it like the > > > > > first week after it happens, it would seem that it is little more > > > > than an > > > > > egg. Why not offer something like a reward to get sterilized??? > > > > $1000.00 to > > > > > citizens who do this, tax free. Why not sterilization. it should > > > > be free > > > > > choice. What this is all about I think is control, nothing else > > > > makes sense. > > > > > I once read that the goal is to reduce the population 50% and it > > > > looks like > > > > > there is no free choice. They are going to kill us with drugs, war, > > > > and some > > > > > of the horrible additives the FDA passes to put in our food. How > > > > about some > > > > > of the sugar substitutes. Lying to get us in a war to steal the > > > > countries > > > > > Oil. That has killed a few million. This kind of killing seems > > > > worse to me, > > > > > as they are walking breathing humanity. Even good old sugar is > > > > dangerous as > > > > > is carbs. sharon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find > > > > your travel > > > > > deal here. > > > > > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured > posts. > > http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008 > > > See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. Check It Out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 *I strongly agree with you but I also think that there is a place for abortion in our society but that place is not within in me. There are most certainly circumstances that it is the "right" choice, rape is just one of many. I personally would not have a child conceived with so much hate, this is one situation that I would elect the choice of abortion. Then again, I am not in the situation now, the experience can always have a bearing on the choices you may think you will make if that something happens, so really I do not even know if that would be the right choice for me even then. I am certain however, there is a place for abortion and it should be ava and legal everywhere for everyone to simply have the right to make the choice. The details of that choice and the spiritual consequences should never be debated because that is the interpretation of the moment and the individual in that moment.Thanks mommy2threelilboys <mommyon731 Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2008 3:21:39 PM Re: is it true they want to decrease the population It blows my mind that the same people who would avoid doctors/hospitals/ medicine at all cost (like most people in this group) would think that it's ok for a woman to inject poison into her uterus and vacuum out the contents. That's hypocritical at best and in my opinion just disgusting. , "mommy2threelilboys " <mommyon731@ ...> wrote: > > Murder isn't generally considered wise either. > > , Rebecca Price > <raprice49@> wrote: > > > > > > A great many people believe that a fetus is not a human entity until > it draws it's first breath upon leaving the womb and that an abortion > simply destroys a potential 'vessel' and not a human being. Others > believe a human being is created the moment sperm combines with egg. > This has been a great debate for a long time and I'm not sure anyone > really knows the truth about this, so judging another on this issue > isn't wise. > > > > > > mommyon731@ > > Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:35:57 +0000 > > [Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease > the population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What's the big deal about abortion"?? Are you freaking > kiddding me? > > > > "Little more than an egg"???? I am so stunned at the your ignorance, > > > > I don't even know what to say. I think I'm going to be sick. > > > > > > > > , kerley983@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > BIRD FLU- SARS didn't do the job, AIDS didn't do the job- but just > > > > like > > > > > Prince Philip said-(he's married to the Queen of England) he would > > > > like to come > > > > > back as a VIRUS to do the job that other virus' didn't do- namely, > > > > KILL MORE > > > > > PEOPLE! > > > > > > > > > > Quite often I read about this . If we are over populated what is the > > > > big > > > > > thing about abortion.??? If people do not want abortion, why not do > > > > it like the > > > > > first week after it happens, it would seem that it is little more > > > > than an > > > > > egg. Why not offer something like a reward to get sterilized?? ? > > > > $1000.00 to > > > > > citizens who do this, tax free. Why not sterilization. it should > > > > be free > > > > > choice. What this is all about I think is control, nothing else > > > > makes sense. > > > > > I once read that the goal is to reduce the population 50% and it > > > > looks like > > > > > there is no free choice. They are going to kill us with drugs, war, > > > > and some > > > > > of the horrible additives the FDA passes to put in our food. How > > > > about some > > > > > of the sugar substitutes. Lying to get us in a war to steal the > > > > countries > > > > > Oil. That has killed a few million. This kind of killing seems > > > > worse to me, > > > > > as they are walking breathing humanity. Even good old sugar is > > > > dangerous as > > > > > is carbs. sharon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************ **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find > > > > your travel > > > > > deal here. > > > > > (http://information. travel.aol. com/deals? ncid=aoltrv00050 000000047) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured > posts. > > http://www.windowsl ive.com/connect? ocid=TXT_ TAGLM_WL_ connect2_ 082008 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 You are right, abortion is an opinion vs.. opinion topic. However, if the government is going to pass laws about it, it has to be in a democratic manner. In a democracy there are certain issues that do not lend themselves to "either/or" laws - a compromise is the only way.. If the decision to abort a fetus becomes a "private issue", the abortion should not be funded by the government or an insurance plan. If the person seeking the abortion is incompetent to pay, then the decision may be removed from the person and decided by some sort of a tribunal.. In the case of multiple abotions and incompetency for the person, sterilization should be considered.--- On Tue, 9/2/08, Rebecca Price <raprice49 wrote: Rebecca Price <raprice49RE: Re: is it true they want to decrease the populationhealth_and_healing Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 3:26 PM Let me be more clear: this is a highly inflammatory subject that should be dealt with privately, off this list serv, as it is an opinion vs.. opinion topic. mommyon731 Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:21:39 +0000[Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease the population It blows my mind that the same people who would avoiddoctors/hospitals/ medicine at all cost (like most people in thisgroup) would think that it's ok for a woman to inject poison into heruterus and vacuum out the contents. That's hypocritical at best andin my opinion just disgusting. , "mommy2threelilboys "<mommyon731@ ...> wrote:>> Murder isn't generally considered wise either.> > , Rebecca Price> <raprice49@> wrote:> >> > > > A great many people believe that a fetus is not a human entity until> it draws it's first breath upon leaving the womb and that an abortion> simply destroys a potential 'vessel' and not a human being. Others> believe a human being is created the moment sperm combines with egg. > This has been a great debate for a long time and I'm not sure anyone> really knows the truth about this, so judging another on this issue> isn't wise.> > > > > > mommyon731@> > Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:35:57 +0000> > [Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease> the population> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What's the big deal about abortion"?? Are you freaking> kiddding me? > > > > "Little more than an egg"???? I am so stunned at the your ignorance,> > > > I don't even know what to say. I think I'm going to be sick. > > > > > > > > , kerley983@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > BIRD FLU- SARS didn't do the job, AIDS didn't do the job- but just> > > > like > > > > > Prince Philip said-(he's married to the Queen of England) he would> > > > like to come > > > > > back as a VIRUS to do the job that other virus' didn't do- namely,> > > > KILL MORE > > > > > PEOPLE!> > > > > > > > > > Quite often I read about this . If we are over populated what is the> > > > big > > > > > thing about abortion.??? If people do not want abortion, why not do> > > > it like the > > > > > first week after it happens, it would seem that it is little more> > > > than an > > > > > egg. Why not offer something like a reward to get sterilized?? ? > > > > $1000.00 to > > > > > citizens who do this, tax free.. Why not sterilization. it should> > > > be free > > > > > choice. What this is all about I think is control, nothing else> > > > makes sense.> > > > > I once read that the goal is to reduce the population 50% and it> > > > looks like > > > > > there is no free choice. They are going to kill us with drugs, war,> > > > and some > > > > > of the horrible additives the FDA passes to put in our food. How > > > > about some > > > > > of the sugar substitutes. Lying to get us in a war to steal the > > > > countries > > > > > Oil. That has killed a few million. This kind of killing seems> > > > worse to me, > > > > > as they are walking breathing humanity. Even good old sugar is> > > > dangerous as > > > > > is carbs. sharon> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************ **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go.. Find> > > > your travel > > > > > deal here. > > > > > (http://information. travel.aol. com/deals? ncid=aoltrv00050 000000047)> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> > See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured> posts.> > http://www.windowsl ive.com/connect? ocid=TXT_ TAGLM_WL_ connect2_ 082008> >> See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. Check It Out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 when roe v wade was passed, abortions were available for women in the event of rape or health risks, it was a private decision made between , the parents and the woman, and the doctor. when abortion was made legal, women had few choices for preventing pregnancy as well, that is not so today. also, we didn't have the medicines or technology to save pre-mature babies , we do today, we also didn't have the technology to see into the womb, we do today. the practice of abortion today, is profit. allowing underage girls to receive the service is dangerous as ,they may not understand the risks, psychological consequences or have knowledge of certain health issues that may increase their risks. women have many low cost, and in most cases free methods of birth control, and a wealth of education to make responsible choices. abotion laws are also biased against fathers and that cannot be ignored. in my opinion, we should go back the days when a patient and doctor made the decision, based on medical or psychological reasons, return the practice of abortion to the medical field and remove it from, the civil rights movement. the practice of abortion for reasons ,other then medical or psychological reasons is an outdated barbaric form of birth control that is unecesisary in modern times. women need a real education on this issue, before any of us, can have an opinion on the topic. judging others is not the answer, knowledge is. andreaJ B <the4ofusb Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2008 3:39:15 PMRe: Re: is it true they want to decrease the population*I strongly agree with you but I also think that there is a place for abortion in our society but that place is not within in me. There are most certainly circumstances that it is the "right" choice, rape is just one of many. I personally would not have a child conceived with so much hate, this is one situation that I would elect the choice of abortion. Then again, I am not in the situation now, the experience can always have a bearing on the choices you may think you will make if that something happens, so really I do not even know if that would be the right choice for me even then. I am certain however, there is a place for abortion and it should be ava and legal everywhere for everyone to simply have the right to make the choice. The details of that choice and the spiritual consequences should never be debated because that is the interpretation of the moment and the individual in that moment.Thanks mommy2threelilboys <mommyon731 Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2008 3:21:39 PM Re: is it true they want to decrease the populationIt blows my mind that the same people who would avoid doctors/hospitals/ medicine at all cost (like most people in this group) would think that it's ok for a woman to inject poison into her uterus and vacuum out the contents. That's hypocritical at best and in my opinion just disgusting. , "mommy2threelilboys " <mommyon731@ ...> wrote: > > Murder isn't generally considered wise either. > > , Rebecca Price > <raprice49@> wrote: > > > > > > A great many people believe that a fetus is not a human entity until > it draws it's first breath upon leaving the womb and that an abortion > simply destroys a potential 'vessel' and not a human being. Others > believe a human being is created the moment sperm combines with egg. > This has been a great debate for a long time and I'm not sure anyone > really knows the truth about this, so judging another on this issue > isn't wise. > > > > > > mommyon731@ > > Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:35:57 +0000 > > [Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease > the population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What's the big deal about abortion"?? Are you freaking > kiddding me? > > > > "Little more than an egg"???? I am so stunned at the your ignorance, > > > > I don't even know what to say. I think I'm going to be sick. > > > > > > > > , kerley983@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > BIRD FLU- SARS didn't do the job, AIDS didn't do the job- but just > > > > like > > > > > Prince Philip said-(he's married to the Queen of England) he would > > > > like to come > > > > > back as a VIRUS to do the job that other virus' didn't do- namely, > > > > KILL MORE > > > > > PEOPLE! > > > > > > > > > > Quite often I read about this . If we are over populated what is the > > > > big > > > > > thing about abortion.??? If people do not want abortion, why not do > > > > it like the > > > > > first week after it happens, it would seem that it is little more > > > > than an > > > > > egg. Why not offer something like a reward to get sterilized?? ? > > > > $1000.00 to > > > > > citizens who do this, tax free. Why not sterilization. it should > > > > be free > > > > > choice. What this is all about I think is control, nothing else > > > > makes sense. > > > > > I once read that the goal is to reduce the population 50% and it > > > > looks like > > > > > there is no free choice. They are going to kill us with drugs, war, > > > > and some > > > > > of the horrible additives the FDA passes to put in our food. How > > > > about some > > > > > of the sugar substitutes. Lying to get us in a war to steal the > > > > countries > > > > > Oil. That has killed a few million. This kind of killing seems > > > > worse to me, > > > > > as they are walking breathing humanity. Even good old sugar is > > > > dangerous as > > > > > is carbs. sharon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************ **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find > > > > your travel > > > > > deal here. > > > > > (http://information. travel.aol. com/deals? ncid=aoltrv00050 000000047) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured > posts. > > http://www.windowsl ive.com/connect? ocid=TXT_ TAGLM_WL_ connect2_ 082008 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 Heh..my opinion about the government passing laws about it could be even more inflammatory. I'm thinking it would best be covered by State or even municipal laws. From: tntstuartDate: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:25:37 -0700RE: Re: is it true they want to decrease the population You are right, abortion is an opinion vs.. opinion topic. However, if the government is going to pass laws about it, it has to be in a democratic manner. In a democracy there are certain issues that do not lend themselves to "either/or" laws - a compromise is the only way.. If the decision to abort a fetus becomes a "private issue", the abortion should not be funded by the government or an insurance plan. If the person seeking the abortion is incompetent to pay, then the decision may be removed from the person and decided by some sort of a tribunal.. In the case of multiple abotions and incompetency for the person, sterilization should be considered.--- On Tue, 9/2/08, Rebecca Price <raprice49 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Rebecca Price <raprice49 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>RE: Re: is it true they want to decrease the populationhealth_and_healing Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 3:26 PM Let me be more clear: this is a highly inflammatory subject that should be dealt with privately, off this list serv, as it is an opinion vs.. opinion topic. mommyon731 Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:21:39 +0000[Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease the population It blows my mind that the same people who would avoiddoctors/hospitals/ medicine at all cost (like most people in thisgroup) would think that it's ok for a woman to inject poison into heruterus and vacuum out the contents. That's hypocritical at best andin my opinion just disgusting. , "mommy2threelilboys "<mommyon731@ ...> wrote:>> Murder isn't generally considered wise either.> > , Rebecca Price> <raprice49@> wrote:> >> > > > A great many people believe that a fetus is not a human entity until> it draws it's first breath upon leaving the womb and that an abortion> simply destroys a potential 'vessel' and not a human being. Others> believe a human being is created the moment sperm combines with egg. > This has been a great debate for a long time and I'm not sure anyone> really knows the truth about this, so judging another on this issue> isn't wise.> > > > > > mommyon731@> > Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:35:57 +0000> > [Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease> the population> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What's the big deal about abortion"?? Are you freaking> kiddding me? > > > > "Little more than an egg"???? I am so stunned at the your ignorance,> > > > I don't even know what to say. I think I'm going to be sick. > > > > > > > > , kerley983@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > BIRD FLU- SARS didn't do the job, AIDS didn't do the job- but just> > > > like > > > > > Prince Philip said-(he's married to the Queen of England) he would> > > > like to come > > > > > back as a VIRUS to do the job that other virus' didn't do- namely,> > > > KILL MORE > > > > > PEOPLE!> > > > > > > > > > Quite often I read about this . If we are over populated what is the> > > > big > > > > > thing about abortion.??? If people do not want abortion, why not do> > > > it like the > > > > > first week after it happens, it would seem that it is little more> > > > than an > > > > > egg. Why not offer something like a reward to get sterilized?? ? > > > > $1000.00 to > > > > > citizens who do this, tax free.. Why not sterilization. it should> > > > be free > > > > > choice. What this is all about I think is control, nothing else> > > > makes sense.> > > > > I once read that the goal is to reduce the population 50% and it> > > > looks like > > > > > there is no free choice. They are going to kill us with drugs, war,> > > > and some > > > > > of the horrible additives the FDA passes to put in our food. How > > > > about some > > > > > of the sugar substitutes. Lying to get us in a war to steal the > > > > countries > > > > > Oil. That has killed a few million. This kind of killing seems> > > > worse to me, > > > > > as they are walking breathing humanity. Even good old sugar is> > > > dangerous as > > > > > is carbs. sharon> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************ **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go.. Find> > > > your travel > > > > > deal here. > > > > > (http://information. travel.aol. com/deals? ncid=aoltrv00050 000000047)> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> > See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured> posts.> > http://www.windowsl ive.com/connect? ocid=TXT_ TAGLM_WL_ connect2_ 082008> >> See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. Check It Out! Talk to your Friends via . Find Out How Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 Yeah, I like Andrea's idea even better...health_and_healing From: raprice49Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:48:21 -0400RE: Re: is it true they want to decrease the population Heh..my opinion about the government passing laws about it could be even more inflammatory. I'm thinking it would best be covered by State or even municipal laws. From: tntstuart Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:25:37 -0700RE: Re: is it true they want to decrease the population You are right, abortion is an opinion vs.. opinion topic. However, if the government is going to pass laws about it, it has to be in a democratic manner. In a democracy there are certain issues that do not lend themselves to "either/or" laws - a compromise is the only way.. If the decision to abort a fetus becomes a "private issue", the abortion should not be funded by the government or an insurance plan. If the person seeking the abortion is incompetent to pay, then the decision may be removed from the person and decided by some sort of a tribunal.. In the case of multiple abotions and incompetency for the person, sterilization should be considered.--- On Tue, 9/2/08, Rebecca Price <raprice49 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Rebecca Price <raprice49 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>RE: Re: is it true they want to decrease the populationhealth_and_healing Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 3:26 PM Let me be more clear: this is a highly inflammatory subject that should be dealt with privately, off this list serv, as it is an opinion vs.. opinion topic. mommyon731 Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:21:39 +0000[Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease the population It blows my mind that the same people who would avoiddoctors/hospitals/ medicine at all cost (like most people in thisgroup) would think that it's ok for a woman to inject poison into heruterus and vacuum out the contents. That's hypocritical at best andin my opinion just disgusting. , "mommy2threelilboys "<mommyon731@ ...> wrote:>> Murder isn't generally considered wise either.> > , Rebecca Price> <raprice49@> wrote:> >> > > > A great many people believe that a fetus is not a human entity until> it draws it's first breath upon leaving the womb and that an abortion> simply destroys a potential 'vessel' and not a human being. Others> believe a human being is created the moment sperm combines with egg. > This has been a great debate for a long time and I'm not sure anyone> really knows the truth about this, so judging another on this issue> isn't wise.> > > > > > mommyon731@> > Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:35:57 +0000> > [Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease> the population> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What's the big deal about abortion"?? Are you freaking> kiddding me? > > > > "Little more than an egg"???? I am so stunned at the your ignorance,> > > > I don't even know what to say. I think I'm going to be sick. > > > > > > > > , kerley983@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > BIRD FLU- SARS didn't do the job, AIDS didn't do the job- but just> > > > like > > > > > Prince Philip said-(he's married to the Queen of England) he would> > > > like to come > > > > > back as a VIRUS to do the job that other virus' didn't do- namely,> > > > KILL MORE > > > > > PEOPLE!> > > > > > > > > > Quite often I read about this . If we are over populated what is the> > > > big > > > > > thing about abortion.??? If people do not want abortion, why not do> > > > it like the > > > > > first week after it happens, it would seem that it is little more> > > > than an > > > > > egg. Why not offer something like a reward to get sterilized?? ? > > > > $1000.00 to > > > > > citizens who do this, tax free.. Why not sterilization. it should> > > > be free > > > > > choice. What this is all about I think is control, nothing else> > > > makes sense.> > > > > I once read that the goal is to reduce the population 50% and it> > > > looks like > > > > > there is no free choice. They are going to kill us with drugs, war,> > > > and some > > > > > of the horrible additives the FDA passes to put in our food. How > > > > about some > > > > > of the sugar substitutes. Lying to get us in a war to steal the > > > > countries > > > > > Oil. That has killed a few million. This kind of killing seems> > > > worse to me, > > > > > as they are walking breathing humanity. Even good old sugar is> > > > dangerous as > > > > > is carbs. sharon> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************ **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go.. Find> > > > your travel > > > > > deal here. > > > > > (http://information. travel.aol. com/deals? ncid=aoltrv00050 000000047)> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> > See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured> posts.> > http://www.windowsl ive.com/connect? ocid=TXT_ TAGLM_WL_ connect2_ 082008> >> See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. Check It Out! Talk to your Friends via . Find Out How Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be—learn how to burn a DVD with Windows®. Make your smash hit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 I'm with you on that! I love this list and most of the time the information and support is nothing short of amazing and wonderful! But when a person can honestly think that they can make a statement such as this and that a human being is not real until after birth is nothing short of the most ignorant of ignorant! Proof...are you freakin' serious! It is MURDER and nothing short of that. Have you ever seen the pictures of the development of a child? Do you know that the heart is BEATING at less than 5 weeks? That defines life wouldn't you say? And most likely will go on deaf ears... mommy2threelilboys <mommyon731 Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2008 12:21:39 PM Re: is it true they want to decrease the population It blows my mind that the same people who would avoiddoctors/hospitals/ medicine at all cost (like most people in thisgroup) would think that it's ok for a woman to inject poison into heruterus and vacuum out the contents. That's hypocritical at best andin my opinion just disgusting. , "mommy2threelilboys "<mommyon731@ ...> wrote:>> Murder isn't generally considered wise either.> > , Rebecca Price> <raprice49@> wrote:> >> > > > A great many people believe that a fetus is not a human entity until> it draws it's first breath upon leaving the womb and that an abortion> simply destroys a potential 'vessel' and not a human being. Others> believe a human being is created the moment sperm combines with egg. > This has been a great debate for a long time and I'm not sure anyone> really knows the truth about this, so judging another on this issue> isn't wise.> > > > > > mommyon731@> > Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:35:57 +0000> > [Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease> the population> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What's the big deal about abortion"?? Are you freaking> kiddding me? > > > > "Little more than an egg"???? I am so stunned at the your ignorance,> > > > I don't even know what to say. I think I'm going to be sick. > > > > > > > > , kerley983@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > BIRD FLU- SARS didn't do the job, AIDS didn't do the job- but just> > > > like > > > > > Prince Philip said-(he's married to the Queen of England) he would> > > > like to come > > > > > back as a VIRUS to do the job that other virus' didn't do- namely,> > > > KILL MORE > > > > > PEOPLE!> > > > > > > > > > Quite often I read about this . If we are over populated what is the> > > > big > > > > > thing about abortion.??? If people do not want abortion, why not do> > > > it like the > > > > > first week after it happens, it would seem that it is little more> > > > than an > > > > > egg. Why not offer something like a reward to get sterilized?? ? > > > > $1000.00 to > > > > > citizens who do this, tax free. Why not sterilization. it should> > > > be free > > > > > choice. What this is all about I think is control, nothing else> > > > makes sense.> > > > > I once read that the goal is to reduce the population 50% and it> > > > looks like > > > > > there is no free choice. They are going to kill us with drugs, war,> > > > and some > > > > > of the horrible additives the FDA passes to put in our food. How > > > > about some > > > > > of the sugar substitutes. Lying to get us in a war to steal the > > > > countries > > > > > Oil. That has killed a few million. This kind of killing seems> > > > worse to me, > > > > > as they are walking breathing humanity. Even good old sugar is> > > > dangerous as > > > > > is carbs. sharon> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************ **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find> > > > your travel > > > > > deal here. > > > > > (http://information. travel.aol. com/deals? ncid=aoltrv00050 000000047)> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> > See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured> posts.> > http://www.windowsl ive.com/connect? ocid=TXT_ TAGLM_WL_ connect2_ 082008> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 For crying out loud, all I said is that there are a large array of opinions-beliefs about when a fetus is considered a human being. And that this is a hugely inflammatory topic--as several have now so completely demonstrated. I neglected to state my position on it at all, for obvious reasons: it is a very emotion-packed subject. And I'll tell you something else: there is a quite large contingent of people that believe that our whole physical reality, whatever stage of physical development you're talking about, is pure illusion and that we are all immortal...so MURDER is actually an impossibility from that perspective (though doing harm is not). From: jjskinguruDate: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:08:56 -0700Re: Re: is it true they want to decrease the population I'm with you on that! I love this list and most of the time the information and support is nothing short of amazing and wonderful! But when a person can honestly think that they can make a statement such as this and that a human being is not real until after birth is nothing short of the most ignorant of ignorant! Proof...are you freakin' serious! It is MURDER and nothing short of that. Have you ever seen the pictures of the development of a child? Do you know that the heart is BEATING at less than 5 weeks? That defines life wouldn't you say? And most likely will go on deaf ears... mommy2threelilboys <mommyon731 > Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2008 12:21:39 PM Re: is it true they want to decrease the population It blows my mind that the same people who would avoiddoctors/hospitals/ medicine at all cost (like most people in thisgroup) would think that it's ok for a woman to inject poison into heruterus and vacuum out the contents. That's hypocritical at best andin my opinion just disgusting. , "mommy2threelilboys "<mommyon731@ ...> wrote:>> Murder isn't generally considered wise either.> > , Rebecca Price> <raprice49@> wrote:> >> > > > A great many people believe that a fetus is not a human entity until> it draws it's first breath upon leaving the womb and that an abortion> simply destroys a potential 'vessel' and not a human being. Others> believe a human being is created the moment sperm combines with egg. > This has been a great debate for a long time and I'm not sure anyone> really knows the truth about this, so judging another on this issue> isn't wise.> > > > > > mommyon731@> > Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:35:57 +0000> > [Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease> the population> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What's the big deal about abortion"?? Are you freaking> kiddding me? > > > > "Little more than an egg"???? I am so stunned at the your ignorance,> > > > I don't even know what to say. I think I'm going to be sick. > > > > > > > > , kerley983@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > BIRD FLU- SARS didn't do the job, AIDS didn't do the job- but just> > > > like > > > > > Prince Philip said-(he's married to the Queen of England) he would> > > > like to come > > > > > back as a VIRUS to do the job that other virus' didn't do- namely,> > > > KILL MORE > > > > > PEOPLE!> > > > > > > > > > Quite often I read about this . If we are over populated what is the> > > > big > > > > > thing about abortion.??? If people do not want abortion, why not do> > > > it like the > > > > > first week after it happens, it would seem that it is little more> > > > than an > > > > > egg. Why not offer something like a reward to get sterilized?? ? > > > > $1000.00 to > > > > > citizens who do this, tax free. Why not sterilization. it should> > > > be free > > > > > choice. What this is all about I think is control, nothing else> > > > makes sense.> > > > > I once read that the goal is to reduce the population 50% and it> > > > looks like > > > > > there is no free choice. They are going to kill us with drugs, war,> > > > and some > > > > > of the horrible additives the FDA passes to put in our food. How > > > > about some > > > > > of the sugar substitutes. Lying to get us in a war to steal the > > > > countries > > > > > Oil. That has killed a few million. This kind of killing seems> > > > worse to me, > > > > > as they are walking breathing humanity. Even good old sugar is> > > > dangerous as > > > > > is carbs. sharon> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************ **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find> > > > your travel > > > > > deal here. > > > > > (http://information. travel.aol. com/deals? ncid=aoltrv00050 000000047)> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> > See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured> posts.> > http://www.windowsl ive.com/connect? ocid=TXT_ TAGLM_WL_ connect2_ 082008> >> Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. Get Ideas Here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Ok here is my take on the entire subject. Yes I agree when it was said that sterilization should be free, and that you should be paid a "reward" for sterilizing yourself. But seriously with the government ran the way it is these days that is never going to happen. I also think that sterilization should be manditory to some people under certain circumstances. For instance...I have a neighbor...I am not going to say any names or anything...But he has 5 kids by 5 different woman and was not married to any of them and has been in jail countless number of times because he can not pay support for any of them. He is on welfare and currantly has another woman pregnant, who this one he clamis to marry...just like all the others. People like that should be forced to be sterilized. When it comes to a certain point when a man keeps running around having a large number of children and not supporting any of them or even seeing them he shuld be forced to be sterilized. And it is sad to say that their are a ton of people in this world who do that, and have more children just so they can get more money from the state. Now dont get me wrong, I have been in a situation where I have had to get help and I am not saying all people are like this, but some are. Now as far as the abortion thing goes...I think that the ONLY way a woman should be able to have an abortion is if she was raped. And i dont mean go to the doctor and say I was raped. They should have to have documentation that a report has been filed with the police and everything. I also dont think they should be able to have the injection and vaccuum type deal done, that shuld be illegal. But i beleive a woman that has been raped should be able to go the next day and get the day after pill. But only the next day, if you wait untill that little person starts growing in you...well thats your fault. Their is always adoption. And thats another thing, the day after pill...i dont think just anyone should be able to get that, like i said only if you were raped. Just because you were stupid enough to go and have unprotected sex and get pregnant doesnt mean you can go to the doctor and get a pill to fix everything. I mean what is that teachig our children? "its ok honey, go and have unprotected sex. I will make a appointment in the morning" Rediculous. Just like the gaurdasil vaccine..." Its ok honey, you had the vaccine, you dont need to use a condem" Shannon:)----- Original Message ----Jude Johnson <jjskinguru Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2008 9:08:56 PMRe: Re: is it true they want to decrease the populationI'm with you on that! I love this list and most of the time the information and support is nothing short of amazing and wonderful! But when a person can honestly think that they can make a statement such as this and that a human being is not real until after birth is nothing short of the most ignorant of ignorant! Proof...are you freakin' serious! It is MURDER and nothing short of that. Have you ever seen the pictures of the development of a child? Do you know that the heart is BEATING at less than 5 weeks? That defines life wouldn't you say? And most likely will go on deaf ears... mommy2threelilboys <mommyon731 Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2008 12:21:39 PM Re: is it true they want to decrease the populationIt blows my mind that the same people who would avoiddoctors/hospitals/ medicine at all cost (like most people in thisgroup) would think that it's ok for a woman to inject poison into heruterus and vacuum out the contents. That's hypocritical at best andin my opinion just disgusting. , "mommy2threelilboys "<mommyon731@ ...> wrote:>> Murder isn't generally considered wise either.> > , Rebecca Price> <raprice49@> wrote:> >> > > > A great many people believe that a fetus is not a human entity until> it draws it's first breath upon leaving the womb and that an abortion> simply destroys a potential 'vessel' and not a human being. Others> believe a human being is created the moment sperm combines with egg. > This has been a great debate for a long time and I'm not sure anyone> really knows the truth about this, so judging another on this issue> isn't wise.> > > > > > mommyon731@> > Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:35:57 +0000> > [Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease> the population> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What's the big deal about abortion"?? Are you freaking> kiddding me? > > > > "Little more than an egg"???? I am so stunned at the your ignorance,> > > > I don't even know what to say. I think I'm going to be sick. > > > > > > > > , kerley983@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > BIRD FLU- SARS didn't do the job, AIDS didn't do the job- but just> > > > like > > > > > Prince Philip said-(he's married to the Queen of England) he would> > > > like to come > > > > > back as a VIRUS to do the job that other virus' didn't do- namely,> > > > KILL MORE > > > > > PEOPLE!> > > > > > > > > > Quite often I read about this . If we are over populated what is the> > > > big > > > > > thing about abortion.??? If people do not want abortion, why not do> > > > it like the > > > > > first week after it happens, it would seem that it is little more> > > > than an > > > > > egg. Why not offer something like a reward to get sterilized?? ? > > > > $1000.00 to > > > > > citizens who do this, tax free. Why not sterilization. it should> > > > be free > > > > > choice. What this is all about I think is control, nothing else> > > > makes sense.> > > > > I once read that the goal is to reduce the population 50% and it> > > > looks like > > > > > there is no free choice. They are going to kill us with drugs, war,> > > > and some > > > > > of the horrible additives the FDA passes to put in our food. How > > > > about some > > > > > of the sugar substitutes. Lying to get us in a war to steal the > > > > countries > > > > > Oil. That has killed a few million. This kind of killing seems> > > > worse to me, > > > > > as they are walking breathing humanity. Even good old sugar is> > > > dangerous as > > > > > is carbs. sharon> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************ **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find> > > > your travel > > > > > deal here. > > > > > (http://information. travel.aol. com/deals? ncid=aoltrv00050 000000047)> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> > See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured> posts.> > http://www.windowsl ive.com/connect? ocid=TXT_ TAGLM_WL_ connect2_ 082008> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 On the large scale of time and mass, all of our lives are "insignificant" but when you get up close and personal with nature all of life is a miracle. To make things simple I always use the golden rule, "Do unto others..."--- On Tue, 9/2/08, Rebecca Price <raprice49 wrote: Rebecca Price <raprice49RE: Re: is it true they want to decrease the populationhealth_and_healing Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 9:25 PM For crying out loud, all I said is that there are a large array of opinions-beliefs about when a fetus is considered a human being. And that this is a hugely inflammatory topic--as several have now so completely demonstrated. I neglected to state my position on it at all, for obvious reasons: it is a very emotion-packed subject. And I'll tell you something else: there is a quite large contingent of people that believe that our whole physical reality, whatever stage of physical development you're talking about, is pure illusion and that we are all immortal...so MURDER is actually an impossibility from that perspective (though doing harm is not). jjskinguru Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:08:56 -0700Re: [Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease the population I'm with you on that! I love this list and most of the time the information and support is nothing short of amazing and wonderful! But when a person can honestly think that they can make a statement such as this and that a human being is not real until after birth is nothing short of the most ignorant of ignorant! Proof...are you freakin' serious! It is MURDER and nothing short of that. Have you ever seen the pictures of the development of a child? Do you know that the heart is BEATING at less than 5 weeks? That defines life wouldn't you say? And most likely will go on deaf ears... mommy2threelilboys <mommyon731 >Tuesday, September 2, 2008 12:21:39 PM[Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease the population It blows my mind that the same people who would avoiddoctors/hospitals/ medicine at all cost (like most people in thisgroup) would think that it's ok for a woman to inject poison into heruterus and vacuum out the contents. That's hypocritical at best andin my opinion just disgusting. , "mommy2threelilboys "<mommyon731@ ...> wrote:>> Murder isn't generally considered wise either.> > , Rebecca Price> <raprice49@> wrote:> >> > > > A great many people believe that a fetus is not a human entity until> it draws it's first breath upon leaving the womb and that an abortion> simply destroys a potential 'vessel' and not a human being. Others> believe a human being is created the moment sperm combines with egg. > This has been a great debate for a long time and I'm not sure anyone> really knows the truth about this, so judging another on this issue> isn't wise.> > > > > > mommyon731@> > Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:35:57 +0000> > [Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease> the population> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What's the big deal about abortion"?? Are you freaking> kiddding me? > > > > "Little more than an egg"???? I am so stunned at the your ignorance,> > > > I don't even know what to say. I think I'm going to be sick. > > > > > > > > , kerley983@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > BIRD FLU- SARS didn't do the job, AIDS didn't do the job- but just> > > > like > > > > > Prince Philip said-(he's married to the Queen of England) he would> > > > like to come > > > > > back as a VIRUS to do the job that other virus' didn't do- namely,> > > > KILL MORE > > > > > PEOPLE!> > > > > > > > > > Quite often I read about this . If we are over populated what is the> > > > big > > > > > thing about abortion.??? If people do not want abortion, why not do> > > > it like the > > > > > first week after it happens, it would seem that it is little more> > > > than an > > > > > egg. Why not offer something like a reward to get sterilized?? ? > > > > $1000.00 to > > > > > citizens who do this, tax free.. Why not sterilization. it should> > > > be free > > > > > choice. What this is all about I think is control, nothing else> > > > makes sense.> > > > > I once read that the goal is to reduce the population 50% and it> > > > looks like > > > > > there is no free choice. They are going to kill us with drugs, war,> > > > and some > > > > > of the horrible additives the FDA passes to put in our food. How > > > > about some > > > > > of the sugar substitutes. Lying to get us in a war to steal the > > > > countries > > > > > Oil. That has killed a few million. This kind of killing seems> > > > worse to me, > > > > > as they are walking breathing humanity. Even good old sugar is> > > > dangerous as > > > > > is carbs. sharon> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************ **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go.. Find> > > > your travel > > > > > deal here. > > > > > (http://information. travel.aol. com/deals? ncid=aoltrv00050 000000047)> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> > See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured> posts.> > http://www.windowsl ive.com/connect? ocid=TXT_ TAGLM_WL_ connect2_ 082008> >> Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. Get Ideas Here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 I believe the confusion here is about when an 'other' makes their entrance into physical reality--or maybe just whether or not a physical vessel IS the spiritual entity or its reflection in matter. Kind of gets down to the brass tacks of one's understanding of reality, or lack thereof...All that aside, it is clear to me that no one on this list values life or wholesome approach to it too little... From: tntstuartDate: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:04:35 -0700RE: Re: is it true they want to decrease the population On the large scale of time and mass, all of our lives are "insignificant" but when you get up close and personal with nature all of life is a miracle. To make things simple I always use the golden rule, "Do unto others..."--- On Tue, 9/2/08, Rebecca Price <raprice49 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Rebecca Price <raprice49 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>RE: Re: is it true they want to decrease the populationhealth_and_healing Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 9:25 PM For crying out loud, all I said is that there are a large array of opinions-beliefs about when a fetus is considered a human being. And that this is a hugely inflammatory topic--as several have now so completely demonstrated. I neglected to state my position on it at all, for obvious reasons: it is a very emotion-packed subject. And I'll tell you something else: there is a quite large contingent of people that believe that our whole physical reality, whatever stage of physical development you're talking about, is pure illusion and that we are all immortal...so MURDER is actually an impossibility from that perspective (though doing harm is not). jjskinguru Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:08:56 -0700Re: [Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease the population I'm with you on that! I love this list and most of the time the information and support is nothing short of amazing and wonderful! But when a person can honestly think that they can make a statement such as this and that a human being is not real until after birth is nothing short of the most ignorant of ignorant! Proof...are you freakin' serious! It is MURDER and nothing short of that. Have you ever seen the pictures of the development of a child? Do you know that the heart is BEATING at less than 5 weeks? That defines life wouldn't you say? And most likely will go on deaf ears... mommy2threelilboys <mommyon731 >Tuesday, September 2, 2008 12:21:39 PM[Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease the population It blows my mind that the same people who would avoiddoctors/hospitals/ medicine at all cost (like most people in thisgroup) would think that it's ok for a woman to inject poison into heruterus and vacuum out the contents. That's hypocritical at best andin my opinion just disgusting. , "mommy2threelilboys "<mommyon731@ ...> wrote:>> Murder isn't generally considered wise either.> > , Rebecca Price> <raprice49@> wrote:> >> > > > A great many people believe that a fetus is not a human entity until> it draws it's first breath upon leaving the womb and that an abortion> simply destroys a potential 'vessel' and not a human being. Others> believe a human being is created the moment sperm combines with egg. > This has been a great debate for a long time and I'm not sure anyone> really knows the truth about this, so judging another on this issue> isn't wise.> > > > > > mommyon731@> > Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:35:57 +0000> > [Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease> the population> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What's the big deal about abortion"?? Are you freaking> kiddding me? > > > > "Little more than an egg"???? I am so stunned at the your ignorance,> > > > I don't even know what to say. I think I'm going to be sick. > > > > > > > > , kerley983@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > BIRD FLU- SARS didn't do the job, AIDS didn't do the job- but just> > > > like > > > > > Prince Philip said-(he's married to the Queen of England) he would> > > > like to come > > > > > back as a VIRUS to do the job that other virus' didn't do- namely,> > > > KILL MORE > > > > > PEOPLE!> > > > > > > > > > Quite often I read about this . If we are over populated what is the> > > > big > > > > > thing about abortion.??? If people do not want abortion, why not do> > > > it like the > > > > > first week after it happens, it would seem that it is little more> > > > than an > > > > > egg. Why not offer something like a reward to get sterilized?? ? > > > > $1000.00 to > > > > > citizens who do this, tax free.. Why not sterilization. it should> > > > be free > > > > > choice. What this is all about I think is control, nothing else> > > > makes sense.> > > > > I once read that the goal is to reduce the population 50% and it> > > > looks like > > > > > there is no free choice. They are going to kill us with drugs, war,> > > > and some > > > > > of the horrible additives the FDA passes to put in our food. How > > > > about some > > > > > of the sugar substitutes. Lying to get us in a war to steal the > > > > countries > > > > > Oil. That has killed a few million. This kind of killing seems> > > > worse to me, > > > > > as they are walking breathing humanity. Even good old sugar is> > > > dangerous as > > > > > is carbs. sharon> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************ **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go.. Find> > > > your travel > > > > > deal here. > > > > > (http://information. travel.aol. com/deals? ncid=aoltrv00050 000000047)> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> > See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured> posts.> > http://www.windowsl ive.com/connect? ocid=TXT_ TAGLM_WL_ connect2_ 082008> >> Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. Get Ideas Here! See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. See Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 women can say no and wait to see if the guy marries them first?Shannon Smith <shannonlorrainesmith Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2008 9:37:43 PMRe: Re: is it true they want to decrease the population Ok here is my take on the entire subject. Yes I agree when it was said that sterilization should be free, and that you should be paid a "reward" for sterilizing yourself. But seriously with the government ran the way it is these days that is never going to happen. I also think that sterilization should be manditory to some people under certain circumstances. For instance...I have a neighbor...I am not going to say any names or anything...But he has 5 kids by 5 different woman and was not married to any of them and has been in jail countless number of times because he can not pay support for any of them. He is on welfare and currantly has another woman pregnant, who this one he clamis to marry...just like all the others. People like that should be forced to be sterilized. When it comes to a certain point when a man keeps running around having a large number of children and not supporting any of them or even seeing them he shuld be forced to be sterilized. And it is sad to say that their are a ton of people in this world who do that, and have more children just so they can get more money from the state. Now dont get me wrong, I have been in a situation where I have had to get help and I am not saying all people are like this, but some are. Now as far as the abortion thing goes...I think that the ONLY way a woman should be able to have an abortion is if she was raped. And i dont mean go to the doctor and say I was raped. They should have to have documentation that a report has been filed with the police and everything. I also dont think they should be able to have the injection and vaccuum type deal done, that shuld be illegal. But i beleive a woman that has been raped should be able to go the next day and get the day after pill. But only the next day, if you wait untill that little person starts growing in you...well thats your fault. Their is always adoption. And thats another thing, the day after pill...i dont think just anyone should be able to get that, like i said only if you were raped. Just because you were stupid enough to go and have unprotected sex and get pregnant doesnt mean you can go to the doctor and get a pill to fix everything. I mean what is that teachig our children? "its ok honey, go and have unprotected sex. I will make a appointment in the morning" Rediculous. Just like the gaurdasil vaccine..." Its ok honey, you had the vaccine, you dont need to use a condem" Shannon:)----- Original Message ----Jude Johnson <jjskinguru Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2008 9:08:56 PMRe: Re: is it true they want to decrease the populationI'm with you on that! I love this list and most of the time the information and support is nothing short of amazing and wonderful! But when a person can honestly think that they can make a statement such as this and that a human being is not real until after birth is nothing short of the most ignorant of ignorant! Proof...are you freakin' serious! It is MURDER and nothing short of that. Have you ever seen the pictures of the development of a child? Do you know that the heart is BEATING at less than 5 weeks? That defines life wouldn't you say? And most likely will go on deaf ears... mommy2threelilboys <mommyon731 Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2008 12:21:39 PM Re: is it true they want to decrease the populationIt blows my mind that the same people who would avoiddoctors/hospitals/ medicine at all cost (like most people in thisgroup) would think that it's ok for a woman to inject poison into heruterus and vacuum out the contents. That's hypocritical at best andin my opinion just disgusting. , "mommy2threelilboys "<mommyon731@ ...> wrote:>> Murder isn't generally considered wise either.> > , Rebecca Price> <raprice49@> wrote:> >> > > > A great many people believe that a fetus is not a human entity until> it draws it's first breath upon leaving the womb and that an abortion> simply destroys a potential 'vessel' and not a human being. Others> believe a human being is created the moment sperm combines with egg. > This has been a great debate for a long time and I'm not sure anyone> really knows the truth about this, so judging another on this issue> isn't wise.> > > > > > mommyon731@> > Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:35:57 +0000> > [Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease> the population> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What's the big deal about abortion"?? Are you freaking> kiddding me? > > > > "Little more than an egg"???? I am so stunned at the your ignorance,> > > > I don't even know what to say. I think I'm going to be sick. > > > > > > > > , kerley983@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > BIRD FLU- SARS didn't do the job, AIDS didn't do the job- but just> > > > like > > > > > Prince Philip said-(he's married to the Queen of England) he would> > > > like to come > > > > > back as a VIRUS to do the job that other virus' didn't do- namely,> > > > KILL MORE > > > > > PEOPLE!> > > > > > > > > > Quite often I read about this . If we are over populated what is the> > > > big > > > > > thing about abortion.??? If people do not want abortion, why not do> > > > it like the > > > > > first week after it happens, it would seem that it is little more> > > > than an > > > > > egg. Why not offer something like a reward to get sterilized?? ? > > > > $1000.00 to > > > > > citizens who do this, tax free. Why not sterilization. it should> > > > be free > > > > > choice. What this is all about I think is control, nothing else> > > > makes sense.> > > > > I once read that the goal is to reduce the population 50% and it> > > > looks like > > > > > there is no free choice. They are going to kill us with drugs, war,> > > > and some > > > > > of the horrible additives the FDA passes to put in our food. How > > > > about some > > > > > of the sugar substitutes. Lying to get us in a war to steal the > > > > countries > > > > > Oil. That has killed a few million. This kind of killing seems> > > > worse to me, > > > > > as they are walking breathing humanity. Even good old sugar is> > > > dangerous as > > > > > is carbs. sharon> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************ **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find> > > > your travel > > > > > deal here. > > > > > (http://information. travel.aol. com/deals? ncid=aoltrv00050 000000047)> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> > See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured> posts.> > http://www.windowsl ive.com/connect? ocid=TXT_ TAGLM_WL_ connect2_ 082008> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Or how about adoption??? No one has said a bit about adoption. Why not turn a hard or sad situation into something that could make a childless couple so happy. (And then we could avoid the murder thing.) , andrea brown <mlsw532000 wrote: > > women can say no and wait to see if the guy marries them first? > > > > > Shannon Smith <shannonlorrainesmith > > Tuesday, September 2, 2008 9:37:43 PM > Re: Re: is it true they want to decrease the population > > > Ok here is my take on the entire subject. Yes I agree when it was said that sterilization should be free, and that you should be paid a " reward " for sterilizing yourself. But seriously with the government ran the way it is these days that is never going to happen. I also think that sterilization should be manditory to some people under certain circumstances. For instance...I have a neighbor...I am not going to say any names or anything...But he has 5 kids by 5 different woman and was not married to any of them and has been in jail countless number of times because he can not pay support for any of them. He is on welfare and currantly has another woman pregnant, who this one he clamis to marry...just like all the others. People like that should be forced to be sterilized. When it comes to a certain point when a man keeps running around having a large number of children and not supporting any of them or even seeing them he shuld be forced to be sterilized. > And it is sad to say that their are a ton of people in this world who do that, and have more children just so they can get more money from the state. Now dont get me wrong, I have been in a situation where I have had to get help and I am not saying all people are like this, but some are. Now as far as the abortion thing goes...I think that the ONLY way a woman should be able to have an abortion is if she was raped. And i dont mean go to the doctor and say I was raped. They should have to have documentation that a report has been filed with the police and everything. I also dont think they should be able to have the injection and vaccuum type deal done, that shuld be illegal. But i beleive a woman that has been raped should be able to go the next day and get the day after pill. But only the next day, if you wait untill that little person starts growing in you...well thats your fault. Their is always adoption. And thats another thing, the day after > pill...i dont think just anyone should be able to get that, like i said only if you were raped. Just because you were stupid enough to go and have unprotected sex and get pregnant doesnt mean you can go to the doctor and get a pill to fix everything. I mean what is that teachig our children? " its ok honey, go and have unprotected sex. I will make a appointment in the morning " Rediculous. Just like the gaurdasil vaccine... " Its ok honey, you had the vaccine, you dont need to use a condem " > > Shannon:) > > > > > Jude Johnson <jjskinguru > > Tuesday, September 2, 2008 9:08:56 PM > Re: Re: is it true they want to decrease the population > > > I'm with you on that! I love this list and most of the time the information and support is nothing short of amazing and wonderful! But when a person can honestly think that they can make a statement such as this and that a human being is not real until after birth is nothing short of the most ignorant of ignorant! Proof...are you freakin' serious! It is MURDER and nothing short of that. Have you ever seen the pictures of the development of a child? Do you know that the heart is BEATING at less than 5 weeks? That defines life wouldn't you say? And most likely will go on deaf ears... > > > > > > > mommy2threelilboys <mommyon731 > > Tuesday, September 2, 2008 12:21:39 PM > Re: is it true they want to decrease the population > > > It blows my mind that the same people who would avoid > doctors/hospitals/ medicine at all cost (like most people in this > group) would think that it's ok for a woman to inject poison into her > uterus and vacuum out the contents. That's hypocritical at best and > in my opinion just disgusting. > > , " mommy2threelilboys " > <mommyon731@ ...> wrote: > > > > Murder isn't generally considered wise either. > > > > , Rebecca Price > > <raprice49@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > A great many people believe that a fetus is not a human entity until > > it draws it's first breath upon leaving the womb and that an abortion > > simply destroys a potential 'vessel' and not a human being. Others > > believe a human being is created the moment sperm combines with egg. > > This has been a great debate for a long time and I'm not sure anyone > > really knows the truth about this, so judging another on this issue > > isn't wise. > > > > > > > > > mommyon731@ > > > Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:35:57 +0000 > > > [Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease > > the population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " What's the big deal about abortion " ?? Are you freaking > > kiddding me? > > > > > > " Little more than an egg " ???? I am so stunned at the your ignorance, > > > > > > I don't even know what to say. I think I'm going to be sick. > > > > > > > > > > > > , kerley983@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BIRD FLU- SARS didn't do the job, AIDS didn't do the job- but just > > > > > > like > > > > > > > Prince Philip said-(he's married to the Queen of England) he would > > > > > > like to come > > > > > > > back as a VIRUS to do the job that other virus' didn't do- namely, > > > > > > KILL MORE > > > > > > > PEOPLE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite often I read about this . If we are over populated what is the > > > > > > big > > > > > > > thing about abortion.??? If people do not want abortion, why not do > > > > > > it like the > > > > > > > first week after it happens, it would seem that it is little more > > > > > > than an > > > > > > > egg. Why not offer something like a reward to get sterilized?? ? > > > > > > $1000.00 to > > > > > > > citizens who do this, tax free. Why not sterilization. it should > > > > > > be free > > > > > > > choice. What this is all about I think is control, nothing else > > > > > > makes sense. > > > > > > > I once read that the goal is to reduce the population 50% and it > > > > > > looks like > > > > > > > there is no free choice. They are going to kill us with drugs, war, > > > > > > and some > > > > > > > of the horrible additives the FDA passes to put in our food. How > > > > > > about some > > > > > > > of the sugar substitutes. Lying to get us in a war to steal the > > > > > > countries > > > > > > > Oil. That has killed a few million. This kind of killing seems > > > > > > worse to me, > > > > > > > as they are walking breathing humanity. Even good old sugar is > > > > > > dangerous as > > > > > > > is carbs. sharon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************ **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find > > > > > > your travel > > > > > > > deal here. > > > > > > > (http://information. travel.aol. com/deals? ncid=aoltrv00050 000000047) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > > See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured > > posts. > > > http://www.windowsl ive.com/connect? ocid=TXT_ TAGLM_WL_ connect2_ 082008 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Adoption is wonderful for everyone concerned but it costs up to $15,000 and some of the best possible parents cannot afford it. I am not sure of the statistics but if every person that wanted to adopt a baby were given one there would be a lot of extra babies left..--- On Wed, 9/3/08, mommy2threelilboys <mommyon731 wrote: mommy2threelilboys <mommyon731 Re: is it true they want to decrease the population Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 12:49 PM Or how about adoption??? No one has said a bit about adoption. Whynot turn a hard or sad situation into something that could make achildless couple so happy. (And then we could avoid the murder thing.), andrea brown<mlsw532000@ ...> wrote:>> women can say no and wait to see if the guy marries them first?> > > > > Shannon Smith <shannonlorrainesmi th> > Tuesday, September 2, 2008 9:37:43 PM> Re: [Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease the population> > > Ok here is my take on the entire subject. Yes I agree when it wassaid that sterilization should be free, and that you should be paid a"reward" for sterilizing yourself. But seriously with the governmentran the way it is these days that is never going to happen. I alsothink that sterilization should be manditory to some people undercertain circumstances. For instance...I have a neighbor...I am notgoing to say any names or anything...But he has 5 kids by 5 differentwoman and was not married to any of them and has been in jailcountless number of times because he can not pay support for any ofthem. He is on welfare and currantly has another woman pregnant, whothis one he clamis to marry...just like all the others. People likethat should be forced to be sterilized. When it comes to a certainpoint when a man keeps running around having a large number ofchildren and not supporting any of them or even seeing them he shuldbe forced to be sterilized.> And it is sad to say that their are a ton of people in this worldwho do that, and have more children just so they can get more moneyfrom the state. Now dont get me wrong, I have been in a situationwhere I have had to get help and I am not saying all people are likethis, but some are.. Now as far as the abortion thing goes...I thinkthat the ONLY way a woman should be able to have an abortion is if shewas raped. And i dont mean go to the doctor and say I was raped. Theyshould have to have documentation that a report has been filed withthe police and everything. I also dont think they should be able tohave the injection and vaccuum type deal done, that shuld be illegal.But i beleive a woman that has been raped should be able to go thenext day and get the day after pill. But only the next day, if youwait untill that little person starts growing in you...well thats yourfault. Their is always adoption. And thats another thing, the day after> pill...i dont think just anyone should be able to get that, like isaid only if you were raped. Just because you were stupid enough to goand have unprotected sex and get pregnant doesnt mean you can go tothe doctor and get a pill to fix everything. I mean what is thatteachig our children? "its ok honey, go and have unprotected sex. Iwill make a appointment in the morning" Rediculous. Just like thegaurdasil vaccine..." Its ok honey, you had the vaccine, you dont needto use a condem" > > Shannon:)> > > > > Jude Johnson <jjskinguru@ ...>> > Tuesday, September 2, 2008 9:08:56 PM> Re: [Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease the population> > > I'm with you on that! I love this list and most of the time theinformation and support is nothing short of amazing and wonderful! But when a person can honestly think that they can make a statementsuch as this and that a human being is not real until after birth isnothing short of the most ignorant of ignorant! Proof...are youfreakin' serious! It is MURDER and nothing short of that. Have youever seen the pictures of the development of a child? Do you knowthat the heart is BEATING at less than 5 weeks? That defines lifewouldn't you say? And most likely will go on deaf ears...> > > > > > > mommy2threelilboys <mommyon731@ ...>> > Tuesday, September 2, 2008 12:21:39 PM> [Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decreasethe population> > > It blows my mind that the same people who would avoid> doctors/hospitals/ medicine at all cost (like most people in this> group) would think that it's ok for a woman to inject poison into her> uterus and vacuum out the contents. That's hypocritical at best and> in my opinion just disgusting. > > , "mommy2threelilboys "> <mommyon731@ ...> wrote:> >> > Murder isn't generally considered wise either.> > > > , Rebecca Price> > <raprice49@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > A great many people believe that a fetus is not a human entity until> > it draws it's first breath upon leaving the womb and that an abortion> > simply destroys a potential 'vessel' and not a human being. Others> > believe a human being is created the moment sperm combines with egg. > > This has been a great debate for a long time and I'm not sure anyone> > really knows the truth about this, so judging another on this issue> > isn't wise.> > > > > > > > > mommyon731@> > > Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:35:57 +0000> > > [Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease> > the population> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What's the big deal about abortion"?? Are you freaking> > kiddding me? > > > > > > "Little more than an egg"???? I am so stunned at the your ignorance,> > > > > > I don't even know what to say. I think I'm going to be sick. > > > > > > > > > > > > , kerley983@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > BIRD FLU- SARS didn't do the job, AIDS didn't do the job- but just> > > > > > like > > > > > > > Prince Philip said-(he's married to the Queen of England) he would> > > > > > like to come > > > > > > > back as a VIRUS to do the job that other virus' didn't do- namely,> > > > > > KILL MORE > > > > > > > PEOPLE!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite often I read about this . If we are over populated whatis the> > > > > > big > > > > > > > thing about abortion.??? If people do not want abortion, whynot do> > > > > > it like the > > > > > > > first week after it happens, it would seem that it is little more> > > > > > than an > > > > > > > egg. Why not offer something like a reward to get sterilized?? ? > > > > > > $1000.00 to > > > > > > > citizens who do this, tax free. Why not sterilization. it should> > > > > > be free > > > > > > > choice. What this is all about I think is control, nothing else> > > > > > makes sense.> > > > > > > I once read that the goal is to reduce the population 50% and it> > > > > > looks like > > > > > > > there is no free choice. They are going to kill us with drugs,war,> > > > > > and some > > > > > > > of the horrible additives the FDA passes to put in our food. How > > > > > > about some > > > > > > > of the sugar substitutes. Lying to get us in a war to steal the > > > > > > countries > > > > > > > Oil. That has killed a few million. This kind of killing seems> > > > > > worse to me, > > > > > > > as they are walking breathing humanity. Even good old sugar is> > > > > > dangerous as > > > > > > > is carbs. sharon> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************ **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. 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Guest guest Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Scientists have proven life begins at conception. As to do they want to decrease the population, they make no bones about it. It's part of the New World Order. I live about an hour from Elberton, Georgia where they have the Georgia GuideStones. There are 8 of them in different languages saying the population must be reduced by 90%. Imagine how many millions of babies have been murdered in their mother's womb by aspartame because its an abortifacient. Some women have told me they have lost as many as 8 babies. There is no warning on aspartame for pregnant women. It's worth than criminal - its downright obscene. Aspartame Murders Infants: http://www.rense.com/general/asp.htm Regards, Betty At 09:08 PM 9/2/2008, Jude Johnson wrote: >I'm with you on that! I love this list and most >of the time the information and support is >nothing short of amazing and wonderful! But >when a person can honestly think that they can >make a statement such as this and that a human >being is not real until after birth is nothing >short of the most ignorant of >ignorant! Proof...are you freakin' serious! It >is MURDER and nothing short of that. Have you >ever seen the pictures of the development of a >child? Do you know that the heart is BEATING at >less than 5 weeks? That defines life wouldn't >you say? And most likely will go on deaf ears... > > > > > > > >mommy2threelilboys <mommyon731 > >Tuesday, September 2, 2008 12:21:39 PM > Re: is it true >they want to decrease the population > >It blows my mind that the same people who would avoid >doctors/hospitals/ medicine at all cost (like most people in this >group) would think that it's ok for a woman to inject poison into her >uterus and vacuum out the contents. That's hypocritical at best and >in my opinion just disgusting. > >--- In ><%40>@ >. com, " mommy2threelilboys " ><mommyon731@ ...> wrote: > > > > Murder isn't generally considered wise either. > > > > --- In > <%40>@ > . com, Rebecca Price > > <raprice49@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > A great many people believe that a fetus is not a human entity until > > it draws it's first breath upon leaving the womb and that an abortion > > simply destroys a potential 'vessel' and not a human being. Others > > believe a human being is created the moment sperm combines with egg. > > This has been a great debate for a long time and I'm not sure anyone > > really knows the truth about this, so judging another on this issue > > isn't wise. > > > > > > To: > <%40>@ > . com > > > mommyon731@ > > > Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:35:57 +0000 > > > [Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease > > the population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " What's the big deal about abortion " ?? Are you freaking > > kiddding me? > > > > > > " Little more than an egg " ???? I am so stunned at the your ignorance, > > > > > > I don't even know what to say. I think I'm going to be sick. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40>@ > . com, kerley983@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BIRD FLU- SARS didn't do the job, AIDS didn't do the job- but just > > > > > > like > > > > > > > Prince Philip said-(he's married to the Queen of England) he would > > > > > > like to come > > > > > > > back as a VIRUS to do the job that other virus' didn't do- namely, > > > > > > KILL MORE > > > > > > > PEOPLE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite often I read about this . If we are over populated what is the > > > > > > big > > > > > > > thing about abortion.??? If people do not want abortion, why not do > > > > > > it like the > > > > > > > first week after it happens, it would seem that it is little more > > > > > > than an > > > > > > > egg. Why not offer something like a reward to get sterilized?? ? > > > > > > $1000.00 to > > > > > > > citizens who do this, tax free. Why not sterilization. it should > > > > > > be free > > > > > > > choice. What this is all about I think is control, nothing else > > > > > > makes sense. > > > > > > > I once read that the goal is to reduce the population 50% and it > > > > > > looks like > > > > > > > there is no free choice. They are going to kill us with drugs, war, > > > > > > and some > > > > > > > of the horrible additives the FDA passes to put in our food. How > > > > > > about some > > > > > > > of the sugar substitutes. Lying to get us in a war to steal the > > > > > > countries > > > > > > > Oil. That has killed a few million. This kind of killing seems > > > > > > worse to me, > > > > > > > as they are walking breathing humanity. Even good old sugar is > > > > > > dangerous as > > > > > > > is carbs. sharon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************ **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. 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Guest guest Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 I am new to the group, and this is a very deep subject close to my heart. First of all,I think it was Sharon that said this guy has 5 kids from different mothers.The question is, how did he get on welfare and medicade when he has nothing to do with the kids but plant the seed? Government BS. But some people should just be given free birthcontrol. It wouldn't hurt to stop it at the begaining.Sorry but saying no doesn't get it. Passion, that is one thing we were born to know,but not with everybody. Sorry, but one man and one woman should remember their vows or commitments before even 'accidentally' getting pregnant. I myself had to have an abortion in the 5th week. I wanted that baby so bad, but I have health problems and got so sick I couln't get out of bed with this one. I have 4 biological children and 2 adopted. But this was in 1989, and I still mourn not being able to carry that baby. The Drs told me that my other children need their mother, and I would not be able to carry it to term, and that both the baby and I would die. No mother or baby for anyone. It was the hardest thing I have ever done.I deceided to have no anticthetic during the procedure,so I could be with him as long as I could, and go thru the pain he would feel. It was horrifying pain. I couldn't stop screaming, and the Dr was in a hurry to catch a plain for Thanksgiving. I felt so alone and wished I would have died with the baby.My husband was not real concerned, he went out to the car and went to sleep.The nurse sat with me for a while in recovery.So, I was made to have that done. I believe the morning after pill is one of the best things on the market. Or the pill before having sex would be better. I would never get pregnant again. Nothing would get me to do that again. Adoption,yes it costs a lot, but some times you can find an attorney who will do the work as an out of court signing of a paper, and handing over the baby.No problems ever. But if you can't have your own baby, their are so many ways to get your baby. Now that is off my chest, I feel a lot better. I mean it, the pain lasts forever. Emotionally, they need to do more group support. Taking a pill to keep from getting pregnant is sure the way to do it. I also had a complete hystorectomy a few years later. No problem now. And the men who get every woman they see pregnant should be manditorally forced to be sterilized, or they stay in jail, can't get to a female in there. I feel sorry for these poor abandon kids. Who's my father Mom? Why didn't he want me? Those are some of the worst feelings any child or mother can go thru. I say /cut it off/ That will fix that problem. Well, I had my say, think you for lisening. dlizabeth From: tntstuartDate: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:13:07 -0700Re: Re: is it true they want to decrease the population Adoption is wonderful for everyone concerned but it costs up to $15,000 and some of the best possible parents cannot afford it. I am not sure of the statistics but if every person that wanted to adopt a baby were given one there would be a lot of extra babies left..--- On Wed, 9/3/08, mommy2threelilboys <mommyon731 > wrote: mommy2threelilboys <mommyon731 > Re: is it true they want to decrease the population Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 12:49 PM Or how about adoption??? No one has said a bit about adoption. Whynot turn a hard or sad situation into something that could make achildless couple so happy. (And then we could avoid the murder thing.), andrea brown<mlsw532000@ ...> wrote:>> women can say no and wait to see if the guy marries them first?> > > > > Shannon Smith <shannonlorrainesmi th> > Tuesday, September 2, 2008 9:37:43 PM> Re: [Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease the population> > > Ok here is my take on the entire subject. Yes I agree when it wassaid that sterilization should be free, and that you should be paid a"reward" for sterilizing yourself. But seriously with the governmentran the way it is these days that is never going to happen. I alsothink that sterilization should be manditory to some people undercertain circumstances. For instance...I have a neighbor...I am notgoing to say any names or anything...But he has 5 kids by 5 differentwoman and was not married to any of them and has been in jailcountless number of times because he can not pay support for any ofthem. He is on welfare and currantly has another woman pregnant, whothis one he clamis to marry...just like all the others. People likethat should be forced to be sterilized. When it comes to a certainpoint when a man keeps running around having a large number ofchildren and not supporting any of them or even seeing them he shuldbe forced to be sterilized.> And it is sad to say that their are a ton of people in this worldwho do that, and have more children just so they can get more moneyfrom the state. Now dont get me wrong, I have been in a situationwhere I have had to get help and I am not saying all people are likethis, but some are.. Now as far as the abortion thing goes...I thinkthat the ONLY way a woman should be able to have an abortion is if shewas raped. And i dont mean go to the doctor and say I was raped. Theyshould have to have documentation that a report has been filed withthe police and everything. I also dont think they should be able tohave the injection and vaccuum type deal done, that shuld be illegal.But i beleive a woman that has been raped should be able to go thenext day and get the day after pill. But only the next day, if youwait untill that little person starts growing in you...well thats yourfault. Their is always adoption. And thats another thing, the day after> pill...i dont think just anyone should be able to get that, like isaid only if you were raped. Just because you were stupid enough to goand have unprotected sex and get pregnant doesnt mean you can go tothe doctor and get a pill to fix everything. I mean what is thatteachig our children? "its ok honey, go and have unprotected sex. Iwill make a appointment in the morning" Rediculous. Just like thegaurdasil vaccine..." Its ok honey, you had the vaccine, you dont needto use a condem" > > Shannon:)> > > > > Jude Johnson <jjskinguru@ ...>> > Tuesday, September 2, 2008 9:08:56 PM> Re: [Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease the population> > > I'm with you on that! I love this list and most of the time theinformation and support is nothing short of amazing and wonderful! But when a person can honestly think that they can make a statementsuch as this and that a human being is not real until after birth isnothing short of the most ignorant of ignorant! Proof...are youfreakin' serious! It is MURDER and nothing short of that. Have youever seen the pictures of the development of a child? Do you knowthat the heart is BEATING at less than 5 weeks? That defines lifewouldn't you say? And most likely will go on deaf ears...> > > > > > > mommy2threelilboys <mommyon731@ ...>> > Tuesday, September 2, 2008 12:21:39 PM> [Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decreasethe population> > > It blows my mind that the same people who would avoid> doctors/hospitals/ medicine at all cost (like most people in this> group) would think that it's ok for a woman to inject poison into her> uterus and vacuum out the contents. That's hypocritical at best and> in my opinion just disgusting. > > , "mommy2threelilboys "> <mommyon731@ ...> wrote:> >> > Murder isn't generally considered wise either.> > > > , Rebecca Price> > <raprice49@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > A great many people believe that a fetus is not a human entity until> > it draws it's first breath upon leaving the womb and that an abortion> > simply destroys a potential 'vessel' and not a human being. Others> > believe a human being is created the moment sperm combines with egg. > > This has been a great debate for a long time and I'm not sure anyone> > really knows the truth about this, so judging another on this issue> > isn't wise.> > > > > > > > > mommyon731@> > > Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:35:57 +0000> > > [Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease> > the population> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What's the big deal about abortion"?? Are you freaking> > kiddding me? > > > > > > "Little more than an egg"???? I am so stunned at the your ignorance,> > > > > > I don't even know what to say. I think I'm going to be sick. > > > > > > > > > > > > , kerley983@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > BIRD FLU- SARS didn't do the job, AIDS didn't do the job- but just> > > > > > like > > > > > > > Prince Philip said-(he's married to the Queen of England) he would> > > > > > like to come > > > > > > > back as a VIRUS to do the job that other virus' didn't do- namely,> > > > > > KILL MORE > > > > > > > PEOPLE!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite often I read about this . If we are over populated whatis the> > > > > > big > > > > > > > thing about abortion.??? If people do not want abortion, whynot do> > > > > > it like the > > > > > > > first week after it happens, it would seem that it is little more> > > > > > than an > > > > > > > egg. Why not offer something like a reward to get sterilized?? ? > > > > > > $1000.00 to > > > > > > > citizens who do this, tax free. Why not sterilization. it should> > > > > > be free > > > > > > > choice. What this is all about I think is control, nothing else> > > > > > makes sense.> > > > > > > I once read that the goal is to reduce the population 50% and it> > > > > > looks like > > > > > > > there is no free choice. They are going to kill us with drugs,war,> > > > > > and some > > > > > > > of the horrible additives the FDA passes to put in our food. How > > > > > > about some > > > > > > > of the sugar substitutes. Lying to get us in a war to steal the > > > > > > countries > > > > > > > Oil. That has killed a few million. This kind of killing seems> > > > > > worse to me, > > > > > > > as they are walking breathing humanity. Even good old sugar is> > > > > > dangerous as > > > > > > > is carbs. sharon> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************ **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. 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Guest guest Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Yeah you are right on that note, I guess I really never thought of it that way. But it just makes me sick to see all of this going on. I think I am going to start a whole new subject and hopefully this doesn't start another argument on the site. But I have a one year old son and unfortunately his father is one of those deadbeat dads that never come and see their kids and doesnt pay child support. And what I say to him....is good riddance, we dont need you around here anyways. But what bothers me is that this other man ( my neighbor) is going around and doing this to so many different women. And you right I guess the women should have known also, so they cant be that brilliant either. But I do stand my ground when I say that they should be forced to be sterilized. But anyway Thanks for the other point of veiw , andrea brown <mlsw532000 wrote: > > women can say no and wait to see if the guy marries them first? > > > > > Shannon Smith <shannonlorrainesmith > > Tuesday, September 2, 2008 9:37:43 PM > Re: Re: is it true they want to decrease the population > > > Ok here is my take on the entire subject. Yes I agree when it was said that sterilization should be free, and that you should be paid a " reward " for sterilizing yourself. But seriously with the government ran the way it is these days that is never going to happen. I also think that sterilization should be manditory to some people under certain circumstances. For instance...I have a neighbor...I am not going to say any names or anything...But he has 5 kids by 5 different woman and was not married to any of them and has been in jail countless number of times because he can not pay support for any of them. He is on welfare and currantly has another woman pregnant, who this one he clamis to marry...just like all the others. People like that should be forced to be sterilized. When it comes to a certain point when a man keeps running around having a large number of children and not supporting any of them or even seeing them he shuld be forced to be sterilized. > And it is sad to say that their are a ton of people in this world who do that, and have more children just so they can get more money from the state. Now dont get me wrong, I have been in a situation where I have had to get help and I am not saying all people are like this, but some are. Now as far as the abortion thing goes...I think that the ONLY way a woman should be able to have an abortion is if she was raped. And i dont mean go to the doctor and say I was raped. They should have to have documentation that a report has been filed with the police and everything. I also dont think they should be able to have the injection and vaccuum type deal done, that shuld be illegal. But i beleive a woman that has been raped should be able to go the next day and get the day after pill. But only the next day, if you wait untill that little person starts growing in you...well thats your fault. Their is always adoption. And thats another thing, the day after > pill...i dont think just anyone should be able to get that, like i said only if you were raped. Just because you were stupid enough to go and have unprotected sex and get pregnant doesnt mean you can go to the doctor and get a pill to fix everything. I mean what is that teachig our children? " its ok honey, go and have unprotected sex. I will make a appointment in the morning " Rediculous. Just like the gaurdasil vaccine... " Its ok honey, you had the vaccine, you dont need to use a condem " > > Shannon:) > > > > > Jude Johnson <jjskinguru > > Tuesday, September 2, 2008 9:08:56 PM > Re: Re: is it true they want to decrease the population > > > I'm with you on that! I love this list and most of the time the information and support is nothing short of amazing and wonderful! But when a person can honestly think that they can make a statement such as this and that a human being is not real until after birth is nothing short of the most ignorant of ignorant! Proof...are you freakin' serious! It is MURDER and nothing short of that. Have you ever seen the pictures of the development of a child? Do you know that the heart is BEATING at less than 5 weeks? That defines life wouldn't you say? And most likely will go on deaf ears... > > > > > > > mommy2threelilboys <mommyon731 > > Tuesday, September 2, 2008 12:21:39 PM > Re: is it true they want to decrease the population > > > It blows my mind that the same people who would avoid > doctors/hospitals/ medicine at all cost (like most people in this > group) would think that it's ok for a woman to inject poison into her > uterus and vacuum out the contents. That's hypocritical at best and > in my opinion just disgusting. > > , " mommy2threelilboys " > <mommyon731@ ...> wrote: > > > > Murder isn't generally considered wise either. > > > > , Rebecca Price > > <raprice49@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > A great many people believe that a fetus is not a human entity until > > it draws it's first breath upon leaving the womb and that an abortion > > simply destroys a potential 'vessel' and not a human being. Others > > believe a human being is created the moment sperm combines with egg. > > This has been a great debate for a long time and I'm not sure anyone > > really knows the truth about this, so judging another on this issue > > isn't wise. > > > > > > > > > mommyon731@ > > > Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:35:57 +0000 > > > [Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease > > the population > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " What's the big deal about abortion " ?? Are you freaking > > kiddding me? > > > > > > " Little more than an egg " ???? I am so stunned at the your ignorance, > > > > > > I don't even know what to say. I think I'm going to be sick. > > > > > > > > > > > > , kerley983@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BIRD FLU- SARS didn't do the job, AIDS didn't do the job- but just > > > > > > like > > > > > > > Prince Philip said-(he's married to the Queen of England) he would > > > > > > like to come > > > > > > > back as a VIRUS to do the job that other virus' didn't do- namely, > > > > > > KILL MORE > > > > > > > PEOPLE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite often I read about this . If we are over populated what is the > > > > > > big > > > > > > > thing about abortion.??? If people do not want abortion, why not do > > > > > > it like the > > > > > > > first week after it happens, it would seem that it is little more > > > > > > than an > > > > > > > egg. Why not offer something like a reward to get sterilized?? ? > > > > > > $1000.00 to > > > > > > > citizens who do this, tax free. Why not sterilization. it should > > > > > > be free > > > > > > > choice. What this is all about I think is control, nothing else > > > > > > makes sense. > > > > > > > I once read that the goal is to reduce the population 50% and it > > > > > > looks like > > > > > > > there is no free choice. They are going to kill us with drugs, war, > > > > > > and some > > > > > > > of the horrible additives the FDA passes to put in our food. How > > > > > > about some > > > > > > > of the sugar substitutes. Lying to get us in a war to steal the > > > > > > countries > > > > > > > Oil. That has killed a few million. This kind of killing seems > > > > > > worse to me, > > > > > > > as they are walking breathing humanity. Even good old sugar is > > > > > > dangerous as > > > > > > > is carbs. sharon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************ **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find > > > > > > your travel > > > > > > > deal here. > > > > > > > (http://information. travel.aol. com/deals? ncid=aoltrv00050 000000047) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > > See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured > > posts. > > > http://www.windowsl ive.com/connect? ocid=TXT_ TAGLM_WL_ connect2_ 082008 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 It was me who was talking about the man with five kids all from different mothers...But my name is Shannon. lol. Its ok alot of people get it wrong...sometimes I wish it was different, But anyway. I am not sure when you posted this I got a little behind because I have been working and got the croup..uhk. But I am so sorry for you, I could not imagine your pain. I have a son and I am a single mother, his name is Dennis and he's just turned one. I love him more than anything, and my pregnancy was aciidental. I took all the nesesary precautions but for some reason the birthcontrol failed...It was the patch form. It didnt fall off or anything and I wasnt taking anything...It just failed. So I had a very hard decision to make also...well my struggle was between adoption and keeping my son ( I am only 21 also) I choose to keep my son and leave his father and it was the absolute best thing I have ever done. I love my son more than anything in this world, I live for him. And he saved me. So just thinking about the pain you must feel everyday makes my heart ache...I just wanted to say that. And what hurts even worse is their are people like you who could have taken care of a child and loved a child..but cant have them anymore, and then their are people who cant have them at all and ache to have a child...and then their is my neighbor someone who just makes children all the time and has no care to see them or take care of them. I just dont understand why God put people like that here, and I know he is not the only one doing this...all them poor children. Your right he shouldnt even have a penis, or a life, he should be in jail. And it is BS that the government just inhibits it and lets it happen...Its like their saying "Go ahead and have five more kids..the taxpayers, the real parents in this economy will take care of your children for you" Like I said I am a single mother 21 years of age and I work my A** off so I can make sure my son has everything he needs and wants (his father is in jail for not paying child support) and they take money out of my hard earned check every week and it goes to support people like that....it just burns me. Shannon:)Elizabeth Davidson <elizabethfayehealth_and_healing Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2008 7:41:16 PMRE: Re: is it true they want to decrease the population I am new to the group, and this is a very deep subject close to my heart. First of all,I think it was Sharon that said this guy has 5 kids from different mothers.The question is, how did he get on welfare and medicade when he has nothing to do with the kids but plant the seed? Government BS. But some people should just be given free birthcontrol. It wouldn't hurt to stop it at the begaining.Sorry but saying no doesn't get it. Passion, that is one thing we were born to know,but not with everybody. Sorry, but one man and one woman should remember their vows or commitments before even 'accidentally' getting pregnant. I myself had to have an abortion in the 5th week. I wanted that baby so bad, but I have health problems and got so sick I couln't get out of bed with this one. I have 4 biological children and 2 adopted. But this was in 1989, and I still mourn not being able to carry that baby. The Drs told me that my other children need their mother, and I would not be able to carry it to term, and that both the baby and I would die. No mother or baby for anyone. It was the hardest thing I have ever done.I deceided to have no anticthetic during the procedure,so I could be with him as long as I could, and go thru the pain he would feel. It was horrifying pain. I couldn't stop screaming, and the Dr was in a hurry to catch a plain for Thanksgiving. I felt so alone and wished I would have died with the baby.My husband was not real concerned, he went out to the car and went to sleep.The nurse sat with me for a while in recovery.So, I was made to have that done. I believe the morning after pill is one of the best things on the market. Or the pill before having sex would be better. I would never get pregnant again. Nothing would get me to do that again. Adoption,yes it costs a lot, but some times you can find an attorney who will do the work as an out of court signing of a paper, and handing over the baby.No problems ever. But if you can't have your own baby, their are so many ways to get your baby. Now that is off my chest, I feel a lot better. I mean it, the pain lasts forever. Emotionally, they need to do more group support. Taking a pill to keep from getting pregnant is sure the way to do it. I also had a complete hystorectomy a few years later. No problem now. And the men who get every woman they see pregnant should be manditorally forced to be sterilized, or they stay in jail, can't get to a female in there. I feel sorry for these poor abandon kids. Who's my father Mom? Why didn't he want me? Those are some of the worst feelings any child or mother can go thru. I say /cut it off/ That will fix that problem. Well, I had my say, think you for lisening. dlizabeth From: tntstuartDate: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:13:07 -0700Re: Re: is it true they want to decrease the population Adoption is wonderful for everyone concerned but it costs up to $15,000 and some of the best possible parents cannot afford it. I am not sure of the statistics but if every person that wanted to adopt a baby were given one there would be a lot of extra babies left..--- On Wed, 9/3/08, mommy2threelilboys <mommyon731 > wrote: mommy2threelilboys <mommyon731 >[Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease the populationWednesday, September 3, 2008, 12:49 PM Or how about adoption??? No one has said a bit about adoption. Whynot turn a hard or sad situation into something that could make achildless couple so happy. (And then we could avoid the murder thing.), andrea brown<mlsw532000@ ...> wrote:>> women can say no and wait to see if the guy marries them first?> > > > > Shannon Smith <shannonlorrainesmi th> > Tuesday, September 2, 2008 9:37:43 PM> Re: [Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease the population> > > Ok here is my take on the entire subject. Yes I agree when it wassaid that sterilization should be free, and that you should be paid a"reward" for sterilizing yourself. But seriously with the governmentran the way it is these days that is never going to happen. I alsothink that sterilization should be manditory to some people undercertain circumstances. For instance...I have a neighbor...I am notgoing to say any names or anything...But he has 5 kids by 5 differentwoman and was not married to any of them and has been in jailcountless number of times because he can not pay support for any ofthem. He is on welfare and currantly has another woman pregnant, whothis one he clamis to marry...just like all the others. People likethat should be forced to be sterilized. When it comes to a certainpoint when a man keeps running around having a large number ofchildren and not supporting any of them or even seeing them he shuldbe forced to be sterilized.> And it is sad to say that their are a ton of people in this worldwho do that, and have more children just so they can get more moneyfrom the state. Now dont get me wrong, I have been in a situationwhere I have had to get help and I am not saying all people are likethis, but some are.. Now as far as the abortion thing goes...I thinkthat the ONLY way a woman should be able to have an abortion is if shewas raped. And i dont mean go to the doctor and say I was raped. Theyshould have to have documentation that a report has been filed withthe police and everything. I also dont think they should be able tohave the injection and vaccuum type deal done, that shuld be illegal.But i beleive a woman that has been raped should be able to go thenext day and get the day after pill. But only the next day, if youwait untill that little person starts growing in you...well thats yourfault. Their is always adoption. And thats another thing, the day after> pill...i dont think just anyone should be able to get that, like isaid only if you were raped. Just because you were stupid enough to goand have unprotected sex and get pregnant doesnt mean you can go tothe doctor and get a pill to fix everything. I mean what is thatteachig our children? "its ok honey, go and have unprotected sex. Iwill make a appointment in the morning" Rediculous. Just like thegaurdasil vaccine..." Its ok honey, you had the vaccine, you dont needto use a condem" > > Shannon:)> > > > > Jude Johnson <jjskinguru@ ...>> > Tuesday, September 2, 2008 9:08:56 PM> Re: [Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease the population> > > I'm with you on that! I love this list and most of the time theinformation and support is nothing short of amazing and wonderful! But when a person can honestly think that they can make a statementsuch as this and that a human being is not real until after birth isnothing short of the most ignorant of ignorant! Proof...are youfreakin' serious! It is MURDER and nothing short of that. Have youever seen the pictures of the development of a child? Do you knowthat the heart is BEATING at less than 5 weeks? That defines lifewouldn't you say? And most likely will go on deaf ears...> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----> mommy2threelilboys <mommyon731@ ...>> > Tuesday, September 2, 2008 12:21:39 PM> [Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decreasethe population> > > It blows my mind that the same people who would avoid> doctors/hospitals/ medicine at all cost (like most people in this> group) would think that it's ok for a woman to inject poison into her> uterus and vacuum out the contents. That's hypocritical at best and> in my opinion just disgusting. > > , "mommy2threelilboys "> <mommyon731@ ...> wrote:> >> > Murder isn't generally considered wise either.> > > > , Rebecca Price> > <raprice49@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > A great many people believe that a fetus is not a human entity until> > it draws it's first breath upon leaving the womb and that an abortion> > simply destroys a potential 'vessel' and not a human being. Others> > believe a human being is created the moment sperm combines with egg. > > This has been a great debate for a long time and I'm not sure anyone> > really knows the truth about this, so judging another on this issue> > isn't wise.> > > > > > > > > mommyon731@> > > Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:35:57 +0000> > > [Health_and_ Healing] Re: is it true they want to decrease> > the population> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What's the big deal about abortion"?? Are you freaking> > kiddding me? > > > > > > "Little more than an egg"???? I am so stunned at the your ignorance,> > > > > > I don't even know what to say. I think I'm going to be sick. > > > > > > > > > > > > , kerley983@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > BIRD FLU- SARS didn't do the job, AIDS didn't do the job- but just> > > > > > like > > > > > > > Prince Philip said-(he's married to the Queen of England) he would> > > > > > like to come > > > > > > > back as a VIRUS to do the job that other virus' didn't do- namely,> > > > > > KILL MORE > > > > > > > PEOPLE!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite often I read about this . If we are over populated whatis the> > > > > > big > > > > > > > thing about abortion.??? If people do not want abortion, whynot do> > > > > > it like the > > > > > > > first week after it happens, it would seem that it is little more> > > > > > than an > > > > > > > egg. Why not offer something like a reward to get sterilized?? ? > > > > > > $1000.00 to > > > > > > > citizens who do this, tax free. Why not sterilization. it should> > > > > > be free > > > > > > > choice. What this is all about I think is control, nothing else> > > > > > makes sense.> > > > > > > I once read that the goal is to reduce the population 50% and it> > > > > > looks like > > > > > > > there is no free choice. They are going to kill us with drugs,war,> > > > > > and some > > > > > > > of the horrible additives the FDA passes to put in our food. How > > > > > > about some > > > > > > > of the sugar substitutes. Lying to get us in a war to steal the > > > > > > countries > > > > > > > Oil. That has killed a few million. This kind of killing seems> > > > > > worse to me, > > > > > > > as they are walking breathing humanity. Even good old sugar is> > > > > > dangerous as > > > > > > > is carbs. sharon> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************ **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find> > > > > > your travel > > > > > > > deal here. > > > > > > > (http://information. travel.aol. com/deals? ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> > > See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured> > posts.> > > http://www.windowsl ive.com/connect? ocid=TXT_ TAGLM_WL_connect2_ 082008> > >> >> See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the go. See Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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