Guest guest Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 Dear Krista, That recipe is: This is the original Baby Barley Formula as formulated by L. Ron Hubbard. Put about half a cup of whole barley in a piece of muslin tie it loosely to allow for expansion place it in a pot containing 4 pints of water boil slowly for 6 1/2 hours with pot slightly vented so that steam can escape mix the formula using a ratio of: 15 oz barley water; 10 oz homogenised milk; 3 oz of corn syrup. Notes: never use an Aluminum cooking pot - stainless steel is best. Do not use this pot for anything else anymore - only for this barley. The amount of syrup can be varied according to taste. Barley water should turn very very pink and this will tell you it is the right consistency. You only use the barley water, not the barley itself. I found that the boiling has to be done VERY slowly or you won't have much water left - it took me a few times trying to get the hang of it on my stove :-) My son grew up on this formula. He's as strong as an ox, and extremely healthy! BTW, as you can see, it doesn't say " pasteurized " milk, only " homogenized " . Anyhow, have fun with this formula. Lots of kids have had it, and I've only heard good reports from it. Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom, Doc krista wrote: > Doc, > I have a question and I hope it's ok to ask you like this... > My sister gave birth to a little boy with a cleft palate and lip 12 > days ago. Because he can't nurse she is not getting the stimulation > she needs to produce enough milk. She produces about 3/4th of what he > needs currently. Rather than supplement with formula I am pumping for > her and she is using that. (I have a 9 month old...) I am willing to > do this as long as she desires, but I am afraid that there may come a > time when she decides it's just too much and puts him on formula. I > know that I've read about an alternative to commercial formula but I > don't remember what it was (more than just raw goats milk), or where I > saved the information. My husband thinks that he read somewhere that > there is a combination using young coconut milk that is supposed to be > even better than raw goat milk. Do you have any information on this, > or any ideas I can use to help her? > Thank you, > Krista > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Absolutely. Make sure the Corn Syrup is "Certified Organic" or don't use it. Normal Corn Syrup comes from GMO Corn in this day and age. If you can't find Organic, use Organic Raw Honey, but in smaller quantities as it is sweeter. Also, make sure the soy is also "Certified Organic", but realize you're dealing with enzyme inhibitors with any Soy product that is not sprouted first, but don't let that stop you if the Soy is Organic. Best would be an Almond Milk made from sprouted organic almonds = very high in protein and loaded full of enzymes. Hope this helps. Doc Debbie wrote: Hi Doc Question for you. I would like to pass this recipe on to my niece who has a 5 month old son. He is lactose intolerent. She feeds him a soy formula. Is there anything else she could tweak this recipe with to fufill her son's needs. Thanks Debbie ----- Original Message ----- Dr. Ian Shillington To: herbal remedies Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:31 AM Subject: Re: Baby Formula Alternative Dear Krista, That recipe is: This is the original Baby Barley Formula as formulated by L. Ron Hubbard. Put about half a cup of whole barley in a piece of muslin tie it loosely to allow for expansion place it in a pot containing 4 pints of water boil slowly for 6 1/2 hours with pot slightly vented so that steam can escape mix the formula using a ratio of: 15 oz barley water; 10 oz homogenised milk; 3 oz of corn syrup. Notes: never use an Aluminum cooking pot - stainless steel is best. Do not use this pot for anything else anymore - only for this barley. The amount of syrup can be varied according to taste. Barley water should turn very very pink and this will tell you it is the right consistency. You only use the barley water, not the barley itself. I found that the boiling has to be done VERY slowly or you won't have much water left - it took me a few times trying to get the hang of it on my stove :-) My son grew up on this formula. He's as strong as an ox, and extremely healthy! BTW, as you can see, it doesn't say "pasteurized" milk, only "homogenized". Anyhow, have fun with this formula. Lots of kids have had it, and I've only heard good reports from it. Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom, Doc krista wrote: > Doc, > I have a question and I hope it's ok to ask you like this... > My sister gave birth to a little boy with a cleft palate and lip 12 > days ago. Because he can't nurse she is not getting the stimulation > she needs to produce enough milk. She produces about 3/4th of what he > needs currently. Rather than supplement with formula I am pumping for > her and she is using that. (I have a 9 month old...) I am willing to > do this as long as she desires, but I am afraid that there may come a > time when she decides it's just too much and puts him on formula. I > know that I've read about an alternative to commercial formula but I > don't remember what it was (more than just raw goats milk), or where I > saved the information. My husband thinks that he read somewhere that > there is a combination using young coconut milk that is supposed to be > even better than raw goat milk. Do you have any information on this, > or any ideas I can use to help her? > Thank you, > Krista > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 Dear Erin, Didn't mean to upset you here. I hope you saw my subsequent posts on this that explained in greater detail, and also modified the recipe using honey in smaller quantities. This original recipe was written in 1960, when milk products were of a higher quality, there was no GMO Corn, and La Leche League was in its infancy. Your advice is welcome of course. I've never seen the Sally Fallon substitute, but am always willing to learn. Soooooooooo can you please send this to me and the list??? Last but not least, this old Roman recipe has been around for ages (well over a thousand years), and has saved many a young babe, so please don't knock something that has such an incredible track record without really looking before you leap. Both of my sons were raised on this once they'd weaned themselves, and you've never seen two more healthier boys. I agree that Breast Feeding is the absolute best, but not all mothers can or should breast feed (depending on the health of both mom and child, etc.). There are exceptions, and this is where this miraculous formula comes in. I too would recommend breast feeding alternatives before using this formula, but the original question was in regards this recipe and this is why it was answered in the way it was. Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom, Doc Erin wrote: Dr. Shillington, You have got to be kidding me really, corn syrup what are you thinking? I can't believe you would suggest this. Your alternative is to breast feeding is horrible, I can't believe you would suggest this. First I would reccomend that they get a hold of their nearest La Leche League leader that will provide them with the help and support they need to be successful in breastfeeding a baby with a cleft palate and lip. Next option is to look at the Weston price foundaiton website and look at the recipe that Sally Fallon has for substitue baby milk.....1000 times better than your suggestion here. homogenized milk that's horrible I am amazed that you would recommend this it's horrifying. Regards, Erin On 6/5/07, Dr. Ian Shillington <DocShillington > wrote: Dear Krista, That recipe is: This is the original Baby Barley Formula as formulated by L. Ron Hubbard. Put about half a cup of whole barley in a piece of muslin tie it loosely to allow for expansion place it in a pot containing 4 pints of water boil slowly for 6 1/2 hours with pot slightly vented so that steam can escape mix the formula using a ratio of: 15 oz barley water; 10 oz homogenised milk; 3 oz of corn syrup. Notes: never use an Aluminum cooking pot - stainless steel is best. Do not use this pot for anything else anymore - only for this barley. The amount of syrup can be varied according to taste. Barley water should turn very very pink and this will tell you it is the right consistency. You only use the barley water, not the barley itself. I found that the boiling has to be done VERY slowly or you won't have much water left - it took me a few times trying to get the hang of it on my stove :-) My son grew up on this formula. He's as strong as an ox, and extremely healthy! BTW, as you can see, it doesn't say "pasteurized" milk, only "homogenized". Anyhow, have fun with this formula. Lots of kids have had it, and I've only heard good reports from it. Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom, Doc krista wrote: > Doc, > I have a question and I hope it's ok to ask you like this... > My sister gave birth to a little boy with a cleft palate and lip 12 > days ago. Because he can't nurse she is not getting the stimulation > she needs to produce enough milk. She produces about 3/4th of what he > needs currently. Rather than supplement with formula I am pumping for > her and she is using that. (I have a 9 month old...) I am willing to > do this as long as she desires, but I am afraid that there may come a > time when she decides it's just too much and puts him on formula. I > know that I've read about an alternative to commercial formula but I > don't remember what it was (more than just raw goats milk), or where I > saved the information. My husband thinks that he read somewhere that > there is a combination using young coconut milk that is supposed to be > even better than raw goat milk. Do you have any information on this, > or any ideas I can use to help her? > Thank you, > Krista > -- Erin Ely 541-913-6836 I'm not putting any chemicals on my body or into the waterways anymore. http://www.ElyOrganics.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 Thanks Erin, Look forward to getting that recipe once you find it. I just love natural remedies. The more natural, the better ;-) Doc Erin Ely wrote: Hi Dr. Shillington, Here is an article that Sally Fallon wrote about breast feeding, while I don't necessarily agree with everything she has to say she does have some good points. This is on the Weston Price Foundation website....I am still looking for her recipe but have not found it yet. When I find the recipe, I'll send it to you. Erin http://www.westonaprice.org/children/breastfeed.html On 6/8/07, Dr. Ian Shillington <DocShillington wrote: Dear Erin, Didn't mean to upset you here. I hope you saw my subsequent posts on this that explained in greater detail, and also modified the recipe using honey in smaller quantities. This original recipe was written in 1960, when milk products were of a higher quality, there was no GMO Corn, and La Leche League was in its infancy. Your advice is welcome of course. I've never seen the Sally Fallon substitute, but am always willing to learn. Soooooooooo can you please send this to me and the list??? Last but not least, this old Roman recipe has been around for ages (well over a thousand years), and has saved many a young babe, so please don't knock something that has such an incredible track record without really looking before you leap. Both of my sons were raised on this once they'd weaned themselves, and you've never seen two more healthier boys. I agree that Breast Feeding is the absolute best, but not all mothers can or should breast feed (depending on the health of both mom and child, etc.). There are exceptions, and this is where this miraculous formula comes in. I too would recommend breast feeding alternatives before using this formula, but the original question was in regards this recipe and this is why it was answered in the way it was. Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom, Doc Erin wrote: Dr. Shillington, You have got to be kidding me really, corn syrup what are you thinking? I can't believe you would suggest this. Your alternative is to breast feeding is horrible, I can't believe you would suggest this. First I would reccomend that they get a hold of their nearest La Leche League leader that will provide them with the help and support they need to be successful in breastfeeding a baby with a cleft palate and lip. Next option is to look at the Weston price foundaiton website and look at the recipe that Sally Fallon has for substitue baby milk.....1000 times better than your suggestion here. homogenized milk that's horrible I am amazed that you would recommend this it's horrifying. Regards, Erin On 6/5/07, Dr. Ian Shillington <DocShillington > wrote: Dear Krista, That recipe is: This is the original Baby Barley Formula as formulated by L. Ron Hubbard. Put about half a cup of whole barley in a piece of muslin tie it loosely to allow for expansion place it in a pot containing 4 pints of water boil slowly for 6 1/2 hours with pot slightly vented so that steam can escape mix the formula using a ratio of: 15 oz barley water; 10 oz homogenised milk; 3 oz of corn syrup. Notes: never use an Aluminum cooking pot - stainless steel is best. Do not use this pot for anything else anymore - only for this barley. The amount of syrup can be varied according to taste. Barley water should turn very very pink and this will tell you it is the right consistency. You only use the barley water, not the barley itself. I found that the boiling has to be done VERY slowly or you won't have much water left - it took me a few times trying to get the hang of it on my stove :-) My son grew up on this formula. He's as strong as an ox, and extremely healthy! BTW, as you can see, it doesn't say "pasteurized" milk, only "homogenized". Anyhow, have fun with this formula. Lots of kids have had it, and I've only heard good reports from it. Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom, Doc krista wrote: > Doc, > I have a question and I hope it's ok to ask you like this... > My sister gave birth to a little boy with a cleft palate and lip 12 > days ago. Because he can't nurse she is not getting the stimulation > she needs to produce enough milk. She produces about 3/4th of what he > needs currently. Rather than supplement with formula I am pumping for > her and she is using that. (I have a 9 month old...) I am willing to > do this as long as she desires, but I am afraid that there may come a > time when she decides it's just too much and puts him on formula. I > know that I've read about an alternative to commercial formula but I > don't remember what it was (more than just raw goats milk), or where I > saved the information. My husband thinks that he read somewhere that > there is a combination using young coconut milk that is supposed to be > even better than raw goat milk. Do you have any information on this, > or any ideas I can use to help her? > Thank you, > Krista > -- Erin Ely 541-913-6836 I'm not putting any chemicals on my body or into the waterways anymore. http://www.ElyOrganics.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 Great! Doc Erin Ely wrote: Here's the link for the baby milk formulas http://www.westonaprice.org/children/recipes.html On 6/8/07, Erin Hi Dr. Shillington, Here is an article that Sally Fallon wrote about breast feeding, while I don't necessarily agree with everything she has to say she does have some good points. This is on the Weston Price Foundation website....I am still looking for her recipe but have not found it yet. When I find the recipe, I'll send it to you. Erin http://www.westonaprice.org/children/breastfeed.html On 6/8/07, Dr. Ian Shillington < DocShillington wrote: Dear Erin, Didn't mean to upset you here. I hope you saw my subsequent posts on this that explained in greater detail, and also modified the recipe using honey in smaller quantities. This original recipe was written in 1960, when milk products were of a higher quality, there was no GMO Corn, and La Leche League was in its infancy. Your advice is welcome of course. I've never seen the Sally Fallon substitute, but am always willing to learn. Soooooooooo can you please send this to me and the list??? Last but not least, this old Roman recipe has been around for ages (well over a thousand years), and has saved many a young babe, so please don't knock something that has such an incredible track record without really looking before you leap. Both of my sons were raised on this once they'd weaned themselves, and you've never seen two more healthier boys. I agree that Breast Feeding is the absolute best, but not all mothers can or should breast feed (depending on the health of both mom and child, etc.). There are exceptions, and this is where this miraculous formula comes in. I too would recommend breast feeding alternatives before using this formula, but the original question was in regards this recipe and this is why it was answered in the way it was. Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom, Doc Erin wrote: Dr. Shillington, You have got to be kidding me really, corn syrup what are you thinking? I can't believe you would suggest this. Your alternative is to breast feeding is horrible, I can't believe you would suggest this. First I would reccomend that they get a hold of their nearest La Leche League leader that will provide them with the help and support they need to be successful in breastfeeding a baby with a cleft palate and lip. Next option is to look at the Weston price foundaiton website and look at the recipe that Sally Fallon has for substitue baby milk.....1000 times better than your suggestion here. homogenized milk that's horrible I am amazed that you would recommend this it's horrifying. Regards, Erin On 6/5/07, Dr. Ian Shillington <DocShillington > wrote: Dear Krista, That recipe is: This is the original Baby Barley Formula as formulated by L. Ron Hubbard. Put about half a cup of whole barley in a piece of muslin tie it loosely to allow for expansion place it in a pot containing 4 pints of water boil slowly for 6 1/2 hours with pot slightly vented so that steam can escape mix the formula using a ratio of: 15 oz barley water; 10 oz homogenised milk; 3 oz of corn syrup. Notes: never use an Aluminum cooking pot - stainless steel is best. Do not use this pot for anything else anymore - only for this barley. The amount of syrup can be varied according to taste. Barley water should turn very very pink and this will tell you it is the right consistency. You only use the barley water, not the barley itself. I found that the boiling has to be done VERY slowly or you won't have much water left - it took me a few times trying to get the hang of it on my stove :-) My son grew up on this formula. He's as strong as an ox, and extremely healthy! BTW, as you can see, it doesn't say "pasteurized" milk, only "homogenized". Anyhow, have fun with this formula. Lots of kids have had it, and I've only heard good reports from it. Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom, Doc krista wrote: > Doc, > I have a question and I hope it's ok to ask you like this... > My sister gave birth to a little boy with a cleft palate and lip 12 > days ago. Because he can't nurse she is not getting the stimulation > she needs to produce enough milk. She produces about 3/4th of what he > needs currently. Rather than supplement with formula I am pumping for > her and she is using that. (I have a 9 month old...) I am willing to > do this as long as she desires, but I am afraid that there may come a > time when she decides it's just too much and puts him on formula. I > know that I've read about an alternative to commercial formula but I > don't remember what it was (more than just raw goats milk), or where I > saved the information. My husband thinks that he read somewhere that > there is a combination using young coconut milk that is supposed to be > even better than raw goat milk. Do you have any information on this, > or any ideas I can use to help her? > Thank you, > Krista -- Erin Ely 541-913-6836 I'm not putting any chemicals on my body or into the waterways anymore. http://www.ElyOrganics.com -- Erin Ely 541-913-6836 I'm not putting any chemicals on my body or into the waterways anymore. http://www.ElyOrganics.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 If this were truly the condition, best would be to sprout the Barley first. This converts it from Acid Ash to Alkaline Ash, and what often gets mistaken for a gluten intolerance, is nothing more than an aversion to Acidosis. I have never run into a child where this formula didn't improve conditions when used correctly. The problem nowadays is finding everything "ORGANIC". Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom, Doc Rena wrote: I just read this and am wondering what do you use if you have gluten intolerance?? Rena -------Original Message------- Dr. Ian Shillington Date: 6/5/2007 12:37:45 PM herbal remedies Subject: Re: Baby Formula Alternative Dear Krista, That recipe is: This is the original Baby Barley Formula as formulated by L. Ron Hubbard. Put about half a cup of whole barley in a piece of muslin tie it loosely to allow for expansion place it in a pot containing 4 pints of water boil slowly for 6 1/2 hours with pot slightly vented so that steam can escape mix the formula using a ratio of: 15 oz barley water; 10 oz homogenised milk; 3 oz of corn syrup. Notes: never use an Aluminum cooking pot - stainless steel is best. Do not use this pot for anything else anymore - only for this barley. The amount of syrup can be varied according to taste. Barley water should turn very very pink and this will tell you it is the right consistency. You only use the barley water, not the barley itself. I found that the boiling has to be done VERY slowly or you won't have much water left - it took me a few times trying to get the hang of it on my stove :-) My son grew up on this formula. He's as strong as an ox, and extremely healthy! BTW, as you can see, it doesn't say "pasteurized" milk, only "homogenized". Anyhow, have fun with this formula. Lots of kids have had it, and I've only heard good reports from it. Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom, Doc krista wrote: > Doc, > I have a question and I hope it's ok to ask you like this... > My sister gave birth to a little boy with a cleft palate and lip 12 > days ago. Because he can't nurse she is not getting the stimulation > she needs to produce enough milk. She produces about 3/4th of what he > needs currently. Rather than supplement with formula I am pumping for > her and she is using that. (I have a 9 month old...) I am willing to > do this as long as she desires, but I am afraid that there may come a > time when she decides it's just too much and puts him on formula. I > know that I've read about an alternative to commercial formula but I > don't remember what it was (more than just raw goats milk), or where I > saved the information. My husband thinks that he read somewhere that > there is a combination using young coconut milk that is supposed to be > even better than raw goat milk. Do you have any information on this, > or any ideas I can use to help her? > Thank you, > Krista > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to prescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian Shillington Doctor of Naturopathy Dr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 Great Allene. Glad to get some back up on this. :-) The subject has gotten a little controversial and I'll answer up as I can on all of these. Hugs, Doc Allene Edwards wrote: WE made formula for my granddaughter with organic barley, organic honey and goats milk. She loved it and of course thrived on it. herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Dr. Ian Shillington Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:57 PM herbal remedies Re: Baby Formula Alternative Absolutely. Make sure the Corn Syrup is "Certified Organic" or don't use it. Normal Corn Syrup comes from GMO Corn in this day and age. If you can't find Organic, use Organic Raw Honey, but in smaller quantities as it is sweeter. Also, make sure the soy is also "Certified Organic", but realize you're dealing with enzyme inhibitors with any Soy product that is not sprouted first, but don't let that stop you if the Soy is Organic. Best would be an Almond Milk made from sprouted organic almonds = very high in protein and loaded full of enzymes. Hope this helps. Doc Debbie wrote: Hi Doc Question for you. I would like to pass this recipe on to my niece who has a 5 month old son. He is lactose intolerent. She feeds him a soy formula. Is there anything else she could tweak this recipe with to fufill her son's needs. Thanks Debbie ----- Original Message ----- Dr. Ian Shillington herbal remedies Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:31 AM Re: Baby Formula Alternative Dear Krista, That recipe is: This is the original Baby Barley Formula as formulated by L. Ron Hubbard. Put about half a cup of whole barley in a piece of muslin tie it loosely to allow for expansion place it in a pot containing 4 pints of water boil slowly for 6 1/2 hours with pot slightly vented so that steam can escape mix the formula using a ratio of: 15 oz barley water; 10 oz homogenised milk; 3 oz of corn syrup. Notes: never use an Aluminum cooking pot - stainless steel is best. Do not use this pot for anything else anymore - only for this barley. The amount of syrup can be varied according to taste. Barley water should turn very very pink and this will tell you it is the right consistency. You only use the barley water, not the barley itself. I found that the boiling has to be done VERY slowly or you won't have much water left - it took me a few times trying to get the hang of it on my stove :-) My son grew up on this formula. He's as strong as an ox, and extremely healthy! BTW, as you can see, it doesn't say "pasteurized" milk, only "homogenized". Anyhow, have fun with this formula. Lots of kids have had it, and I've only heard good reports from it. Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom, Doc krista wrote: > Doc, > I have a question and I hope it's ok to ask you like this... > My sister gave birth to a little boy with a cleft palate and lip 12 > days ago. Because he can't nurse she is not getting the stimulation > she needs to produce enough milk. She produces about 3/4th of what he > needs currently. Rather than supplement with formula I am pumping for > her and she is using that. (I have a 9 month old...) I am willing to > do this as long as she desires, but I am afraid that there may come a > time when she decides it's just too much and puts him on formula. I > know that I've read about an alternative to commercial formula but I > don't remember what it was (more than just raw goats milk), or where I > saved the information. My husband thinks that he read somewhere that > there is a combination using young coconut milk that is supposed to be > even better than raw goat milk. Do you have any information on this, > or any ideas I can use to help her? > Thank you, > Krista > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 The botulism scare about honey and youngsters is a bit trumped up. This is not as dangerous as some would have you believe. As long as the honey is RAW and Organic, there should be no problems. Best is always to start off small and work up to larger dosages. Remember, honey is sweeter than either sugar or corn syrup so use less. When in doubt - start small. Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom, Doc Chrissy wrote: Debbie & Dr Shillington I would suggest doing some research on Honey and young children and infants before you suggest this to your niece. Also I used the formula for both of my daughters and it worked wonderfully just as is. And I myself wouldn't alter it as it worked and my children were very healthy using it. Just thought I would let you know. Regards, Chrissy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Dear Mendy, GMO Soy is very dangerous. Even Organic Soy is a problem since it is an Estrogen precursor and stimulator. Soy which has not been "SPROUTED" first can cause all kinds of hormonal problems in both men and women. PMS becomes a real horror, and men can actually grow breasts because of this unpublished fact. Unsprouted Soy is Acid Ash whereas sprouted is Alkaline. Unsprouted has large amounts of enzyme inhibitors which contributes to "WEIGHT GAIN", and really throws the body's communications systems outa whack. The only reason fermented soy is OK is because, fermentation also kills off the enzyme inhibitors, however it does not change the fact that it is still Acid Ash. Only fermented soy from sprouted beans would be alkaline. This full subject is covered in my lecture, "Nutritional Secrets and Lifetime Health". Call the office and order a copy if you haven't already. :-) Hugs, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D. 727-447-5282 DocShillington mendy wrote: Hi Doc, I've read some things on soy and how dangerous it really is for us. Fermented soy is ok from I've gathered. Can I get your thoughts on this topic? Mendy Cleveland ~bachelor of science in holistic nutrition student~ "Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington wrote: Absolutely. Make sure the Corn Syrup is "Certified Organic" or don't use it. Normal Corn Syrup comes from GMO Corn in this day and age. If you can't find Organic, use Organic Raw Honey, but in smaller quantities as it is sweeter. Also, make sure the soy is also "Certified Organic", but realize you're dealing with enzyme inhibitors with any Soy product that is not sprouted first, but don't let that stop you if the Soy is Organic. Best would be an Almond Milk made from sprouted organic almonds = very high in protein and loaded full of enzymes. Hope this helps. Doc Debbie wrote: Hi Doc Question for you. I would like to pass this recipe on to my niece who has a 5 month old son. He is lactose intolerent. She feeds him a soy formula. Is there anything else she could tweak this recipe with to fufill her son's needs. Thanks Debbie ----- Original Message ----- Dr. Ian Shillington To: herbal remedies Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:31 AM Subject: Re: Baby Formula Alternative Dear Krista, That recipe is: This is the original Baby Barley Formula as formulated by L. Ron Hubbard. Put about half a cup of whole barley in a piece of muslin tie it loosely to allow for expansion place it in a pot containing 4 pints of water boil slowly for 6 1/2 hours with pot slightly vented so that steam can escape mix the formula using a ratio of: 15 oz barley water; 10 oz homogenised milk; 3 oz of corn syrup. Notes: never use an Aluminum cooking pot - stainless steel is best. Do not use this pot for anything else anymore - only for this barley. The amount of syrup can be varied according to taste. Barley water should turn very very pink and this will tell you it is the right consistency. You only use the barley water, not the barley itself. I found that the boiling has to be done VERY slowly or you won't have much water left - it took me a few times trying to get the hang of it on my stove :-) My son grew up on this formula. He's as strong as an ox, and extremely healthy! BTW, as you can see, it doesn't say "pasteurized" milk, only "homogenized". Anyhow, have fun with this formula. Lots of kids have had it, and I've only heard good reports from it. Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom, Doc krista wrote: > Doc, > I have a question and I hope it's ok to ask you like this... > My sister gave birth to a little boy with a cleft palate and lip 12 > days ago. Because he can't nurse she is not getting the stimulation > she needs to produce enough milk. She produces about 3/4th of what he > needs currently. Rather than supplement with formula I am pumping for > her and she is using that. (I have a 9 month old...) I am willing to > do this as long as she desires, but I am afraid that there may come a > time when she decides it's just too much and puts him on formula. I > know that I've read about an alternative to commercial formula but I > don't remember what it was (more than just raw goats milk), or where I > saved the information. My husband thinks that he read somewhere that > there is a combination using young coconut milk that is supposed to be > even better than raw goat milk. Do you have any information on this, > or any ideas I can use to help her? > Thank you, > Krista > Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Dear BL, As another experienced 61 year old (young;-) I quite agree with your initial premise here. The problem is that some women simply "can't" breast feed though there are many techniques (all collected at the LaLeche League Library), which give great hints on how to get milk in tougher circumstances. There are those though who simply can't for one reason or another. Personally, I've always done whatever I could to get my clients onto the natural approach before going down that path. The Barley Formula is the best interim I know of while getting Mom to produce. It is also the best supplement if Mom's Milk is not adequate and there are many reasons for that. The closest animal milks to Mother's Mild are Goat and Sheep. Both of these are Alkaline Ash as is Mom's Milk. Cow's milk is Acid Ash and as such is truly foreign to baby. There are Babes who are intolerant of Cow's Milk but who can take Goat's milk quite easily. Sheep's milk is nearly impossible to find nowadays. One has to really check out these things rather than just accepting some Medico's opinion that one's baby is truly "intolerant". Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom, Doc Barb wrote: I'm an "ancient" woman (61 years old). Am I right to assume "lactose intolerance" means intolerance to "animal" milk and NOT to mother's milk? If I'm right, I really do question why women insist on feeding their infants foreign milk? What's wrong with their own? B.L ----- Original Message ----- Dr. Ian Shillington To: herbal remedies Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Baby Formula Alternative Absolutely. Make sure the Corn Syrup is "Certified Organic" or don't use it. Normal Corn Syrup comes from GMO Corn in this day and age. If you can't find Organic, use Organic Raw Honey, but in smaller quantities as it is sweeter. Also, make sure the soy is also "Certified Organic", but realize you're dealing with enzyme inhibitors with any Soy product that is not sprouted first, but don't let that stop you if the Soy is Organic. Best would be an Almond Milk made from sprouted organic almonds = very high in protein and loaded full of enzymes. Hope this helps. Doc Debbie wrote: Hi Doc Question for you. I would like to pass this recipe on to my niece who has a 5 month old son. He is lactose intolerent. She feeds him a soy formula. Is there anything else she could tweak this recipe with to fufill her son's needs. Thanks Debbie ----- Original Message ----- Dr. Ian Shillington To: herbal remedies Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:31 AM Subject: Re: Baby Formula Alternative Dear Krista, That recipe is: This is the original Baby Barley Formula as formulated by L. Ron Hubbard. Put about half a cup of whole barley in a piece of muslin tie it loosely to allow for expansion place it in a pot containing 4 pints of water boil slowly for 6 1/2 hours with pot slightly vented so that steam can escape mix the formula using a ratio of: 15 oz barley water; 10 oz homogenised milk; 3 oz of corn syrup. Notes: never use an Aluminum cooking pot - stainless steel is best. Do not use this pot for anything else anymore - only for this barley. The amount of syrup can be varied according to taste. Barley water should turn very very pink and this will tell you it is the right consistency. You only use the barley water, not the barley itself. I found that the boiling has to be done VERY slowly or you won't have much water left - it took me a few times trying to get the hang of it on my stove :-) My son grew up on this formula. He's as strong as an ox, and extremely healthy! BTW, as you can see, it doesn't say "pasteurized" milk, only "homogenized". Anyhow, have fun with this formula. Lots of kids have had it, and I've only heard good reports from it. Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom, Doc krista wrote: > Doc, > I have a question and I hope it's ok to ask you like this... > My sister gave birth to a little boy with a cleft palate and lip 12 > days ago. Because he can't nurse she is not getting the stimulation > she needs to produce enough milk. She produces about 3/4th of what he > needs currently. Rather than supplement with formula I am pumping for > her and she is using that. (I have a 9 month old...) I am willing to > do this as long as she desires, but I am afraid that there may come a > time when she decides it's just too much and puts him on formula. I > know that I've read about an alternative to commercial formula but I > don't remember what it was (more than just raw goats milk), or where I > saved the information. My husband thinks that he read somewhere that > there is a combination using young coconut milk that is supposed to be > even better than raw goat milk. Do you have any information on this, > or any ideas I can use to help her? > Thank you, > Krista > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Wellllllllll, I've had a chance to check this Weston Price Formula out and disagree with it wholeheartedly. This is rather unusual since I am such a Weston Price Fan. I strongly recommend his books and diets for adults. Some of the stuff recommended is far too strong for a baby, especially the lactose supplement which is highly concentrated. You want to give your baby's supplements separate from his main formula anyway. The Roman Formula below is still the best, I've ever come across and it is brilliant. I've never had a problem in straightening out a baby with this formula, and I've used it on many. The only difference is in using an Organic Corn Syrup if you can get it since the original Karo is now GMO. Fresh RAW ORGANIC goat's milk is best since it is Alkaline (like mother's milk), whereas Cow's milk is Acid. Your's in Knowledge, Health and Freedom, Doc Dr. Ian Shillington wrote: Great! Doc Erin Ely wrote: Here's the link for the baby milk formulas http://www.westonaprice.org/children/recipes.html On 6/8/07, Erin Hi Dr. Shillington, Here is an article that Sally Fallon wrote about breast feeding, while I don't necessarily agree with everything she has to say she does have some good points. This is on the Weston Price Foundation website....I am still looking for her recipe but have not found it yet. When I find the recipe, I'll send it to you. Erin http://www.westonaprice.org/children/breastfeed.html On 6/8/07, Dr. Ian Shillington < DocShillington (AT) knology (DOT) net> wrote: Dear Erin, Didn't mean to upset you here. I hope you saw my subsequent posts on this that explained in greater detail, and also modified the recipe using honey in smaller quantities. This original recipe was written in 1960, when milk products were of a higher quality, there was no GMO Corn, and La Leche League was in its infancy. Your advice is welcome of course. I've never seen the Sally Fallon substitute, but am always willing to learn. Soooooooooo can you please send this to me and the list??? Last but not least, this old Roman recipe has been around for ages (well over a thousand years), and has saved many a young babe, so please don't knock something that has such an incredible track record without really looking before you leap. Both of my sons were raised on this once they'd weaned themselves, and you've never seen two more healthier boys. I agree that Breast Feeding is the absolute best, but not all mothers can or should breast feed (depending on the health of both mom and child, etc.). There are exceptions, and this is where this miraculous formula comes in. I too would recommend breast feeding alternatives before using this formula, but the original question was in regards this recipe and this is why it was answered in the way it was. Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom, Doc Erin wrote: Dr. Shillington, You have got to be kidding me really, corn syrup what are you thinking? I can't believe you would suggest this. Your alternative is to breast feeding is horrible, I can't believe you would suggest this. First I would reccomend that they get a hold of their nearest La Leche League leader that will provide them with the help and support they need to be successful in breastfeeding a baby with a cleft palate and lip. Next option is to look at the Weston price foundaiton website and look at the recipe that Sally Fallon has for substitue baby milk.....1000 times better than your suggestion here. homogenized milk that's horrible I am amazed that you would recommend this it's horrifying. Regards, Erin On 6/5/07, Dr. Ian Shillington <DocShillington (AT) knology (DOT) net > wrote: Dear Krista, That recipe is: This is the original Baby Barley Formula as formulated by L. Ron Hubbard. Put about half a cup of whole barley in a piece of muslin tie it loosely to allow for expansion place it in a pot containing 4 pints of water boil slowly for 6 1/2 hours with pot slightly vented so that steam can escape mix the formula using a ratio of: 15 oz barley water; 10 oz homogenised milk; 3 oz of corn syrup. Notes: never use an Aluminum cooking pot - stainless steel is best. Do not use this pot for anything else anymore - only for this barley. The amount of syrup can be varied according to taste. Barley water should turn very very pink and this will tell you it is the right consistency. You only use the barley water, not the barley itself. I found that the boiling has to be done VERY slowly or you won't have much water left - it took me a few times trying to get the hang of it on my stove :-) My son grew up on this formula. He's as strong as an ox, and extremely healthy! BTW, as you can see, it doesn't say "pasteurized" milk, only "homogenized". Anyhow, have fun with this formula. Lots of kids have had it, and I've only heard good reports from it. Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom, Doc krista wrote: > Doc, > I have a question and I hope it's ok to ask you like this... > My sister gave birth to a little boy with a cleft palate and lip 12 > days ago. Because he can't nurse she is not getting the stimulation > she needs to produce enough milk. She produces about 3/4th of what he > needs currently. Rather than supplement with formula I am pumping for > her and she is using that. (I have a 9 month old...) I am willing to > do this as long as she desires, but I am afraid that there may come a > time when she decides it's just too much and puts him on formula. I > know that I've read about an alternative to commercial formula but I > don't remember what it was (more than just raw goats milk), or where I > saved the information. My husband thinks that he read somewhere that > there is a combination using young coconut milk that is supposed to be > even better than raw goat milk. Do you have any information on this, > or any ideas I can use to help her? > Thank you, > Krista -- Erin Ely 541-913-6836 I'm not putting any chemicals on my body or into the waterways anymore. http://www.ElyOrganics.com -- Erin Ely 541-913-6836 I'm not putting any chemicals on my body or into the waterways anymore. http://www.ElyOrganics.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 There is too much sucrose in Sukanat, which is harder on a baby. You want the Fructose in Corn Syrup or the Dextrose in Honey, and keep it limited as per the formula. You can also use less of the recommended dosage of these. Just remember that a baby needs some carbohydrate. Love, Doc marlene wrote: Why not use Sukanat instead of corn syrup; it's high in minerals. Marlene Bragelman MH --- "Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington wrote: Absolutely. Make sure the Corn Syrup is "Certified Organic" or don't use it. Normal Corn Syrup comes from GMO Corn in this day and age. If you can't find Organic, use Organic Raw Honey, but in smaller quantities as it is sweeter. Also, make sure the soy is also "Certified Organic", but realize you're dealing with enzyme inhibitors with any Soy product that is not sprouted first, but don't let that stop you if the Soy is Organic. Best would be an Almond Milk made from sprouted organic almonds = very high in protein and loaded full of enzymes. Hope this helps. Doc Debbie wrote: */Hi Doc/* */Question for you. I would like to pass this recipe on to my niece who has a 5 month old son. /* */He is lactose intolerent. She feeds him a soy formula. Is there anything else she could tweak this recipe with to fufill her son's needs./* */Thanks/* */Debbie/* *//* - ** Dr. Ian Shillington <DocShillington *To:* herbal remedies <herbal remedies (AT) Groups (DOT) com> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:31 AM *Subject:* Re: Baby Formula Alternative Dear Krista, That recipe is: This is the original Baby Barley Formula as formulated by L. Ron Hubbard. Put about half a cup of whole barley in a piece of muslin tie it loosely to allow for expansion place it in a pot containing 4 pints of water boil slowly for 6 1/2 hours with pot slightly vented so that steam can escape mix the formula using a ratio of: 15 oz barley water; 10 oz homogenised milk; 3 oz of corn syrup. Notes: never use an Aluminum cooking pot - stainless steel is best. Do not use this pot for anything else anymore - only for this barley. The amount of syrup can be varied according to taste. Barley water should turn very very pink and this will tell you it is the right consistency. You only use the barley water, not the barley itself. I found that the boiling has to be done VERY slowly or you won't have much water left - it took me a few times trying to get the hang of it on my stove :-) My son grew up on this formula. He's as strong as an ox, and extremely healthy! BTW, as you can see, it doesn't say "pasteurized" milk, only "homogenized". Anyhow, have fun with this formula. Lots of kids have had it, and I've only heard good reports from it. Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom, Doc krista wrote: > Doc, > I have a question and I hope it's ok to ask you like this... > My sister gave birth to a little boy with a cleft palate and lip 12 > days ago. Because he can't nurse she is not getting the stimulation > she needs to produce enough milk. She produces about 3/4th of what he > needs currently. Rather than supplement with formula I am pumping for > her and she is using that. (I have a 9 month old...) I am willing to > do this as long as she desires, but I am afraid that there may come a > time when she decides it's just too much and puts him on formula. I > know that I've read about an alternative to commercial formula but I > don't remember what it was (more than just raw goats milk), or where I > saved the information. My husband thinks that he read somewhere that > there is a combination using young coconut milk that is supposed to be > even better than raw goat milk. Do you have any information on this, > or any ideas I can use to help her? > Thank you, > Krista > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Dear Lynques, You're most welcome for the formulas. Your condition is exactly what I'm talking about here. There are situations where Breast Feeding CAN NOT OR SHOULD NOT BE DONE under any circumstances. Breast Feeding is always my Number one #1 choice, but the Barley Formula is my #2 and it becomes my #1 if there are any difficulties that can not be overcome as in your case. Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom, Doc lynques wrote: "I agree that Breast Feeding is the absolute best, but not all mothers can or should breast feed (depending on the health of both mom and child, etc.). There are exceptions" My mother couldn't breastfeed me or my brother. Apparently, her breast milk didn't agree with us at all. Her doctor (remember this was the 1950's) told her it was like poison to our systems. The doctor prescribed both evaporated AND condensed milk, lightly thinned for us to drink, lol. Mom said we had rolls of fat on us. I couldn't breastfeed because my nipples were inverted. If she and I had these alternative formulas, it could have helped a lot. My mom had a cousin that had a baby with a cleft, and they had to feed the baby formula with eye droppers. Not the best treatment, but eventually the baby had surgery to correct it. Thanks for the formulas. Lynques Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Dear Sheila, Tough one. Best is to cut back on all grains that have not been sprouted and start off slowly with a sprouted grain cereal or bread. Use a small amount only and see if there is any negative reaction. Then move up to larger and larger amounts until you can determine if there are any negative reactions whatsoever. As long as the grains are fully sprouted, you'll be able to do this test yourself to determine the matter. Celiac is a toughy and not all medical diagnoses of it are accurate. You're always better to go with sprouted regardless so there's your starting point. Love, Doc The little boy of a friend of mine has tested positive for Celiac. How can she find out if it's really that or an aversion to Acidosis? Thanks, Sheila Dr. Ian Shillington wrote: If this were truly the condition, best would be to sprout the Barley first. This converts it from Acid Ash to Alkaline Ash, and what often gets mistaken for a gluten intolerance, is nothing more than an aversion to Acidosis. I have never run into a child where this formula didn't improve conditions when used correctly. The problem nowadays is finding everything "ORGANIC". Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom, Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Thanks Zoe. I appreciate the back up of your own experiences and knowledge on this. Huggles, Doc zoe w wrote: Exactly, my kids were raised on honey, we had access to raw honey, dipped their pacifiers in it Rubbed it on sore gums, etc. Never had any problems whatsoever. In fact I was well into my 60's before I heard the first mention of " Don't give them honey til after a year" Man was I shocked about that one. Its just another case of when MAN gets into the picture- its not safe to eat. Pasteurization has ruined more than just honey and milk. Processing of any kind seems to be more harmful than good. Huggs zoe > The botulism scare about honey and youngsters is a bit trumped up. This is not as dangerous as some would have you believe. As long as the honey is RAW and Organic, there should be no problems. Best is always to start off small and work up to larger dosages. Remember, honey is sweeter than either sugar or corn syrup so use less. When in doubt - start small. Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom, Doc Chrissy wrote: Debbie & Dr Shillington I would suggest doing some research on Honey and young children and infants before you suggest this to your niece. Also I used the formula for both of my daughters and it worked wonderfully just as is. And I myself wouldn't alter it as it worked and my children were very healthy using it. Just thought I would let you know. Regard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Dear Pat, Thanks for your input. I've never personally seen any one who's had difficulty with honey as long as it was: 1. 100% Raw and 2. Organic. It's amazing how bad or false information gets started. This slander against honey was probably started by the Sugar or Corn Syrup Industries. :-) All the best, Doc Pat M. wrote: Thanks Doc I gave raw organic honey to my children the day they were born after they nursed at my breast. I never had any sick children in the first year of there life. and then it was just simple colds nothing worse. I had 2 children that after I weaned them were allergic to milk so I used oats to make them a formula to drink. It was smilier to the one listed below but I relied on the calcium contents of the oats to supply these children with all they needed. They are both strong and healthy now as adults. The only change I made was to add some Vita. D to it to keep rickets away. Yours in health Pat Mahan "Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington wrote: Thanks Zoe. I appreciate the back up of your own experiences and knowledge on this. Huggles, Doc zoe w wrote: Exactly, my kids were raised on honey, we had access to raw honey, dipped their pacifiers in it Rubbed it on sore gums, etc. Never had any problems whatsoever. In fact I was well into my 60's before I heard the first mention of " Don't give them honey til after a year" Man was I shocked about that one. Its just another case of when MAN gets into the picture- its not safe to eat. Pasteurization has ruined more than just honey and milk. Processing of any kind seems to be more harmful than good. Huggs zoe > The botulism scare about honey and youngsters is a bit trumped up. This is not as dangerous as some would have you believe. As long as the honey is RAW and Organic, there should be no problems. Best is always to start off small and work up to larger dosages. Remember, honey is sweeter than either sugar or corn syrup so use less. When in doubt - start small. Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom, Doc Chrissy wrote: Debbie & Dr Shillington I would suggest doing some research on Honey and young children and infants before you suggest this to your niece. Also I used the formula for both of my daughters and it worked wonderfully just as is. And I myself wouldn't alter it as it worked and my children were very healthy using it. Just thought I would let you know. Regard "Do not be afraid of enemies; the worst they can do is to kill you. Do not be afraid of friends; the worst they can do is betray you. Be afraid of the indifferent; they do not kill or betray. But only because of their silent agreement, betrayal and murder exist on earth." - - -- Bruno Yasienski - "The Plot of the Indifferent" (1937) Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car Finder tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Dear Bob, After you sprout them, you need to dry them out and then grind them up the way you'd make any flour. Quite simple actually. All the best, Doc Hi Doc, another 61 year old here with what may be a dumb question, although I don't recall it being covered on the forum. You talk about using sprouted grains in baking, etc. Do you just chop them up or what? We have sprouts all the time in our 6 stack sprouter, but we've never used them for baking or anything, just raw and in sandwiches. So how do you prepare them? TIA. Bob. See what's free at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Dear Shelby, Very well done on being able to "think" with your information. You did right. ;-) As long as you know the source of your goat's milk, you can give it to a one day old. You want to deal locally on this kind of thing and don't just go with "store" bought. Goat's milk is the closest to mother's milk. You have to use your noggin with any health issue. Taste the milk yourself. Is if fresh??? Do you know the farmer you're getting it from and what is his or her ethics level like??? Is this someone you can trust??? Get to know your sources. This is vital. Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom, Doc Shelb wrote: I have to chime in on this. My sister’s baby was starving for quite some time because we didn’t know he wasn’t getting enough from breast milk. If I hear one more person say, “don’t give up so easily, la lache league can help” I’m going to shoot something. Some people can’t breastfeed. Instead of beating the try harder drum, let’s get some tools for these mothers that need help. We all know having a starving baby isn’t hard enough, only guilt will motivate a mother to fit your mold. That being said, I didn’t need to use this formula until my third baby. The first one was ok, my milk stopped supporting my second and third around 5 months. I used the barley formula as a secondary supplement behind breast milk, but when I did that he kept waking up hungry, it’s like my milk didn’t fill him up or he burned through it faster than other foods. So to the point of this e-mail; I don’t use any corn syrup. I found that my baby get the runs from it. My sister’s kids have genetic digestion problems that the corn syrup helps, but it’s overkill for my kid. I just do the barley water with milk and he likes it. -Shelby P.S. A question for doc; would you give a baby under a year barley formula with raw goats milk? What are the risks for doing so? herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Dr. Ian Shillington Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:06 PM herbal remedies *Possible SPAM* Re: Baby Formula Alternative There is too much sucrose in Sukanat, which is harder on a baby. You want the Fructose in Corn Syrup or the Dextrose in Honey, and keep it limited as per the formula. You can also use less of the recommended dosage of these. Just remember that a baby needs some carbohydrate. Love, Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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