Guest guest Posted November 5, 2001 Report Share Posted November 5, 2001 Hello group I am not sure where I read it, but is ME relatively unknown of in China. Has anyone been in training in China recently to give an opinion about that. And does anyone know when the first so called cases of ME started to develop /be observed in the States? early 80's? Heiko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2001 Report Share Posted November 5, 2001 And does anyone know when the first so called cases of ME started todevelop /be observed in the States? early 80's?>>>It all started in a small town near lake Tahoe in early 80's. But it is still not a recognized disease, it can be applied to any chronic fatigue disorder. There are some CDC criteria but many MD's don't even believe the condition exists. Alon - Heiko Lade Monday, November 05, 2001 4:41 PM Re:ME/CFS Hello groupI am not sure where I read it, but is ME relatively unknown of in China.Has anyone been in training in China recently to give an opinion aboutthat.And does anyone know when the first so called cases of ME started todevelop /be observed in the States? early 80's?HeikoChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2001 Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 " >>>It all started in a small town near lake Tahoe in early 80's. But it is still not a recognized disease, it can be applied to any chronic fatigue disorder. There are some CDC criteria but many MD's don't even believe the condition exists. Alon " It also seemed to break out from one specific place in New Zealand in 1984 , in a province West Otago , south island.They called it Tapanui flu here, Tapanui being a town. I have brought this up on the list before in reference to ME , but there is a growing number of doctors here (and Patients) that say one of the signs in recovery is when they start catching colds again.( Chronic ME patients do not catch colds, apparantly) This made me think of the shan han lun and 6 divisions. A cold pathogen can penetrate the straight through the tai yang eg to shao yang or deeper and as the disease gets better it can go back up through the levels. Could it be an indication that as the patient recovers from the ME illness, the pathogen has moved form a deeper level and is thus manifesting tai yang symptoms? Does anyone know if Bob 's new book will have an ME section? Heiko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2001 Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 Chronic MEpatients do not catch colds, apparantly) >>>They do but have mild symptoms that last a long time Alon - Heiko Lade Tuesday, November 06, 2001 1:15 AM Re: Re:ME/CFS ">>>It all started in a small town near lake Tahoe in early 80's. Butit is still not a recognized disease, it can be applied to anychronic fatigue disorder. There are some CDC criteria but many MD'sdon't even believe the condition exists.Alon"It also seemed to break out from one specific place in New Zealand in1984 , in a province West Otago , south island.They called it Tapanuiflu here, Tapanui being a town.I have brought this up on the list before in reference to ME , but thereis a growing number of doctors here (and Patients) that say one of thesigns in recovery is when they start catching colds again.( Chronic MEpatients do not catch colds, apparantly) This made me think of the shanhan lun and 6 divisions. A cold pathogen can penetrate the straightthrough the tai yang eg to shao yang or deeper and as the disease getsbetter it can go back up through the levels. Could it be an indicationthat as the patient recovers from the ME illness, the pathogen has movedform a deeper level and is thus manifesting tai yang symptoms?Does anyone know if Bob 's new book will have an ME section?HeikoChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2001 Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 Hi Heiko, As a student listening in and looking to learn from the group. Could tell me what ME stands for? I did a search in the archive and found nothing, on the internet and you can imagine what turned up! And, in my medical dictionary it stands for medical examiner. Obvious, not correct here. I thought it was our MS, initially, but when you referred to " chronic " (which is inherent when you say MS) I had to rule it out. Thanks, Kit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2001 Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 kitcurtin wrote: > Could tell me what ME stands > for? ME is Myalgic encephalomyelitis (ME) which is also called Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome (CFIDS) Here's more: http://www.Acupuncture.com/Acup/ME.htm -- Al Stone L.Ac. <AlStone http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2001 Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 Great... Thanks Al! The link was really helpful... Kit At 10:34 AM 11/6/01 -0800, you wrote: kitcurtin wrote: > Could tell me what ME stands > for? ME is Myalgic encephalomyelitis (ME) which is also called Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome (CFIDS) Here's more: http://www.Acupuncture.com/Acup/ME.htm -- Al Stone L.Ac. <AlStone http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2001 Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 Heiko, Yes, our new book, The Treatment of Modern Western Medical Diseases, does have a chapter on Chronic Fatigue Immune Deficiency Syndrome (CFIDS, a.k.a. CFS). We also have a chapter on Fibromyalgia Syndrome (FMS). Here in the U.S. approximately 75% of patients diagnosed as suffering from CFIDS/CFS actually have FMS, at least according to our Western meedical sources. In any case, I would suggest looking at both chapters since the material forms a continuum. You might also be interested to know that, about six months or so ago, I came across the first article on CFS I personally have seen in a Chinese medical journal. A translation of the most important information in that article is available as Blue Poppy Recent Research Report #185. One other thing I think might be useful to mention is that when a diagnostic label is first used is different from when a condition first appears. It appears that the diagnostic label of CFS has recently been adopted by at least one Chinese doctor in China. However, the symptoms we label CFS may have been presenting in China for many years -- more recently under the rubric shen jing shuai rou, neurasthenia, more traditionally under the term xu lao, vacuity taxation. Bob , Heiko Lade <heiko@l...> wrote: > Hello group > I am not sure where I read it, but is ME relatively unknown of in China. > Has anyone been in training in China recently to give an opinion about > that. > And does anyone know when the first so called cases of ME started to > develop /be observed in the States? early 80's? > > Heiko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2001 Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 Hi,Dr.Stone, >ME is Myalgic encephalomyelitis (ME) which is also called Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome Thank you very much for the information. Jean ===== -------------------------------- < ¨C¤Ñ³£ ©_¼¯ > www..tw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 Hello does anyone have andthing that can help with ME/CFS as it is getting me down Thank you Walkingwithelves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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