Bee Pollen for Ovulation

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Hello,

 

My cycles are on the long side (35-40 days) and I ovulate around CD 18

or so. In the past I have taken Vitex and False Unicorn (together) to

ovulate at all and my cycles have been normal for a few years now. I

stopped taking the herbs for a two years and now I see my cycles

getting long again. I also have low-progesterone.

 

I've been reading that bee pollen helps women ovulate. Would it help

me ovulate sooner in my cycle, say on CD 14 instead of 18?

 

I am on CD 5 and stated taking Vitex and bee pollen to see what

happens.

 

Any feedback on bee pollen would be appreciated.

 

Thanks!

Carla

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Carla <rose.carla wrote: Hi Carla,My cycles are on the long side (35-40 days) and I ovulate around CD 18 or so. In the past I have taken Vitex and False Unicorn (together) to ovulate at all and my cycles have been normal for a few years now.Any feedback on bee pollen would be appreciated.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no experience with ovulation problems but if the herbs worked why not go back to them again? Follow Valerie's advice it comes

from good practicle experience and you cant beat that! What I can comment on is Pollen itself. It's truly an amazing thing or rather things. What a lot of folks dont realize about Pollen is that every tiny little partcle of pollen is covered in a very tough hard outter coating called Pollinin.This protects the vital nutrients for use by the reproducing flowers its meant for. plants have special enzymes to break Pollen down and to get to those nutrients for use. Humans as well as most animals do not have these abilities or certainly have less of the right enzymes to get through this tough coating while the Pollen is in the body and much of it is wasted as a result. Quite a bit of obscure research has been done regarding this fact. The answer to this problem in human nutrition was worked out many years ago by real researchers who wanted to promote Pollen as the best food on earth. Simply put, Pollen must be processed in such a way that the Pollinin coating is

shattered or cracked so our digestive enzymes can get to the vital nutrients they contain. This is done in at least a few Pollen products on the market in the U.S. I highly recommend that if you do use Pollen, that you make sure its been cracked or broken otherwise your throwing a lot of money away!Any company going through this extra step will advertise it. If the pollen product your now using doesnt say "Double cracked or shattered" I think you can assume its just regular and I recommend not using it. Don in BaliLife is not about how fast you run, or how high you climb, but how well you

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Don,

 

Question: What if you chew the bee pollen or blend it in a drink?

Seems like either of these would break "this tough coating".

 

Are you sure this is not just a sales pitch or pre-paid research to come out with a pre-set conclusion?

 

No disrespect intended. This just sounds a bit fishy to me.

 

 

Valorie

 

 

 

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don wells

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Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:14 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Bee Pollen for Ovulation

 

 

Carla <rose.carla > wrote:

 

 

Hi Carla,My cycles are on the long side (35-40 days) and I ovulate around CD 18 or so. In the past I have taken Vitex and False Unicorn (together) to ovulate at all and my cycles have been normal for a few years now.Any feedback on bee pollen would be appreciated.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I have no experience with ovulation problems but if the herbs worked why not go back to them again? Follow Valerie's advice it comes from good practicle experience and you cant beat that!

What I can comment on is Pollen itself. It's truly an amazing thing or rather things. What a lot of folks dont realize about Pollen is that every tiny little partcle of pollen is covered in a very tough hard outter coating called Pollinin.This protects the vital nutrients for use by the reproducing flowers its meant for. plants have special enzymes to break Pollen down and to get to those nutrients for use. Humans as well as most animals do not have these abilities or certainly have less of the right enzymes to get through this tough coating while the Pollen is in the body and much of it is wasted as a result. Quite a bit of obscure research has been done regarding this fact. The answer to this problem in human nutrition was worked out many years ago by real researchers who wanted to promote Pollen as the best food on earth. Simply put, Pollen must be processed in such a way that the Pollinin coating is shattered or cracked so our digestive enzymes can get to the vital nutrients they contain. This is done in at least a few Pollen products on the market in the U.S. I highly recommend that if you do use Pollen, that you make sure its been cracked or broken otherwise your throwing a lot of money away!Any company going through this extra step will advertise it. If the pollen product your now using doesnt say "Double cracked or shattered" I think you can assume its just regular and I recommend not using it.

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Hi Valorie and all, Good question and one I expected. I have been actively involved in Pollen research and its uses in nutrition for well over thirty years. I, like yourself, am skeptical of all the claims made about any of these so called panacea type wonder foods,drugs, herbs, oils,metallic colloids etc etc. Until I actually can either experience the benefits in myself or in clients, I don't "swallow em"! My original research centered around Pollen for my own health but more so as a nutritional aspect in the diets of particular species of birds held in captivity. In this case the birds form a major part of their natural diet around Pollen.During those early years another much better equipped researcher at U.C. Davis in the Animal Health sector was doing similar work towards her doctorate. Dr. Anne Brice researched the role of Pollen in the diets of Lorikeets a Parrot species, subsisting on mainly Pollen

and nectar in nature. She found that the Pollen granules mainly passed through the digestive tract undigested.Even to this day I doubt the validity of that work in some part! We often discussed our own work by phone regarding this research.Later, I ran my own microscopic research and found her work held up. The question of course, why would birds in captivity,equipped to digest pollen in nature, not digest Pollen as its sold for human consumption? That question still has a lot of speculation surrounding it. My experiments continued well past Dr Brices and are still ongoing to this very day. I utilize about 50 Kilos of human/bee collected wild plant Pollen per month.My conclusions so far are: 1.Bees and other insects that feed on pollen can and do digest the Pollen grains efficiently through the action of certain enzymes they contain in their bodies. Droppings of these insects clearly demonstrate this. 2. Birds who normally feed on Pollen in nature, mostly don't digest the Pollen as witnessed in their feces. The pollen granules mainly pass through the intestinal tract undigested and appear as they did before this happens, under a microscope.The one clear difference is the Pre-eaten Pollen particles have a "coating" and when it comes out of the other end that coating is gone. 3.Birds which are served "cracked" Pollen digest almost entirely the contents of the granules and this was clearly documented by microscopic examination.I have not checked this out in humans but others have and have found the exact same thing. 4.Experiments by myself, under controlled conditions, proved to me long ago that when chicks were raised on a sole diet of Pollen as they would experience in nature, the chicks on cracked Pollen did far better. In fact, chicks raised on uncracked Pollen did very poorly and

either died or were stunted and never developed normally. While adult birds could easily survive on uncracked Pollen, which of course suggests partial digestion, the chicks could not or were badly stunted from it..It is unclear how or what the differences are between captive conditions and natural utilization of Pollen as a main dietary item? Speculations in the past have been worked through and still the answers evade us! I know from personal experience that uncracked pollen gives benefit to the human diet. Why? My guess is that there are nutrients on the outside of the Pollen granules as can be seen under a scope, that give these benefits? I cannot prove this but its the only reasonable explanation I have found to date! When cracked Pollen was taken by myself over a months period of time I found far greater benefits and I continue to use that form to this day.We know for sure that Plants can and do dissolve Pollen so they can get the

benefits from it to form viable seeds.We know that most Pollen eating insects can do this also as witnessed mainly in Apiary research.The real work still needs to be done and may actually have been done on humans and other higher forms but I am unaware of it.I can only go by my personal experience as well as that of clients and family members. Regarding the cracking process. For many years experiments were ran on the best way to make the Pollen nutrients contained inside the hard Pollinin coating, available to digestive processes in humans.After a lot of expensive and hard earned work the secret was finally found and to this day its closely guarded. The process is actually quite simple once understood.Large volumes of Pollen are exploded within a vacuum chamber which shatters the Pollinin coating quickly and more efficiently than other known methods. In my own work, I have found few blenders with the power to

smash the Pollinin hard enough or in the correct way to be efficient. So far the best has been a Vitamix blender although others have worked but to a lesser degree.One must be especially vigilant when doing this in a high speed strong blender so that the Pollen is not overheated.If you want to run your own experiments on this, simply process a half cup of Pollen in a Vitamix and then examine it under a Microscope.Do this before blending and after and you will quickly see the difference. I have found that Pollen is best cracked when done in a pure dry condition and not as blended with liquids or other ingredients.Damp Pollen that has not been dried till its hard is easier to "Crack" than hard dried granular form.It is extremely important to Freeze any Pollen but especially so once cracked because of degradation of the nutrients under normal temps, if not frozen.Mold grows much more rapidly on "Cracked' Pollen which again, I feel, demonstrates increased nutritional

benefits. I used to feel as you do about the possible and very strong hype surrounding Pollen.Processors often attribute ( in my opinion) miraculous results from Pollen use and although this might be true. I have not witnessed it in my work.Its great stuff especially when taken in a blended ( multi species) form but I have found its even better when combined with other foods such as Super Algae etc. If you have further questions please ask. Don Valorie Shillington <ValorieShillington wrote: Don, Question: What if you chew the bee pollen or blend it in a drink? Seems like either of these would break "this tough coating". Are you sure this is not just a sales pitch or pre-paid research to come out with a pre-set conclusion? No disrespect intended. This just sounds a bit fishy to me. Valorie - don wells herbal remedies Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:14 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Bee Pollen for Ovulation Carla <rose.carla > wrote: Hi Carla,My cycles are on the long side (35-40 days) and I ovulate around CD 18 or so. In the past I have taken Vitex and False Unicorn (together) to ovulate at all and my cycles have been normal for a few years now.Any feedback on bee pollen would be appreciated.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no experience with ovulation problems but if the herbs worked why not go back to them again? Follow Valerie's advice it comes from good practicle experience and you cant beat that! What I can comment on is Pollen itself. It's truly an amazing thing or rather things. What a lot of folks dont realize about Pollen is that every tiny little partcle of pollen is covered in a very tough hard outter coating called Pollinin.This protects the vital nutrients for use by the reproducing flowers its meant for. plants have special enzymes to

break Pollen down and to get to those nutrients for use. Humans as well as most animals do not have these abilities or certainly have less of the right enzymes to get through this tough coating while the Pollen is in the body and much of it is wasted as a result. Quite a bit of obscure research has been done regarding this fact. The answer to this problem in human nutrition was worked out many years ago by real researchers who wanted to promote Pollen as the best food on earth. Simply put, Pollen must be processed in such a way that the Pollinin coating is shattered or cracked so our digestive enzymes can get to the vital nutrients they contain. This is done in at least a few Pollen products on the market in the U.S. I highly recommend that if you do use Pollen, that you make sure its been cracked or broken otherwise your throwing a lot of money away!Any company going through this extra step will advertise it. If the pollen product your now using doesnt say "Double cracked

or shattered" I think you can assume its just regular and I recommend not using it. Don in BaliLife is not about how fast you run, or how high you climb, but how well you bounce Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta. Life is not about how fast you run, or how high you climb, but how well you bounce

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Thanks for all the information and explanation, Don.

 

I do use a VitaMix and I'm having our associate, who's area of expertise is Environmental Science, review the data and do some further research.

 

Thanks for sharing this.

 

Valorie

 

 

 

 

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don wells

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Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:57 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Bee Pollen for Ovulation

 

 

 

Hi Valorie and all,

 

Good question and one I expected. I have been actively involved in Pollen research and its uses in nutrition for well over thirty years. I, like yourself, am skeptical of all the claims made about any of these so called panacea type wonder foods,drugs, herbs, oils,metallic colloids etc etc. Until I actually can either experience the benefits in myself or in clients, I don't "swallow em"!

 

My original research centered around Pollen for my own health but more so as a nutritional aspect in the diets of particular species of birds held in captivity. In this case the birds form a major part of their natural diet around Pollen.During those early years another much better equipped researcher at U.C. Davis in the Animal Health sector was doing similar work towards her doctorate. Dr. Anne Brice researched the role of Pollen in the diets of Lorikeets a Parrot species, subsisting on mainly Pollen and nectar in nature. She found that the Pollen granules mainly passed through the digestive tract undigested.Even to this day I doubt the validity of that work in some part! We often discussed our own work by phone regarding this research.Later, I ran my own microscopic research and found her work held up. The question of course, why would birds in captivity,equipped to digest pollen in nature, not digest Pollen as its sold for human consumption? That question still has a lot of speculation surrounding it.

 

My experiments continued well past Dr Brices and are still ongoing to this very day. I utilize about 50 Kilos of human/bee collected wild plant Pollen per month.My conclusions so far are:

 

1.Bees and other insects that feed on pollen can and do digest the Pollen grains efficiently through the action of certain enzymes they contain in their bodies. Droppings of these insects clearly demonstrate this.

 

2. Birds who normally feed on Pollen in nature, mostly don't digest the Pollen as witnessed in their feces. The pollen granules mainly pass through the intestinal tract undigested and appear as they did before this happens, under a microscope.The one clear difference is the Pre-eaten Pollen particles have a "coating" and when it comes out of the other end that coating is gone.

 

3.Birds which are served "cracked" Pollen digest almost entirely the contents of the granules and this was clearly documented by microscopic examination.I have not checked this out in humans but others have and have found the exact same thing.

 

4.Experiments by myself, under controlled conditions, proved to me long ago that when chicks were raised on a sole diet of Pollen as they would experience in nature, the chicks on cracked Pollen did far better. In fact, chicks raised on uncracked Pollen did very poorly and either died or were stunted and never developed normally. While adult birds could easily survive on uncracked Pollen, which of course suggests partial digestion, the chicks could not or were badly stunted from it..It is unclear how or what the differences are between captive conditions and natural utilization of Pollen as a main dietary item? Speculations in the past have been worked through and still the answers evade us!

 

I know from personal experience that uncracked pollen gives benefit to the human diet. Why? My guess is that there are nutrients on the outside of the Pollen granules as can be seen under a scope, that give these benefits? I cannot prove this but its the only reasonable explanation I have found to date! When cracked Pollen was taken by myself over a months period of time I found far greater benefits and I continue to use that form to this day.We know for sure that Plants can and do dissolve Pollen so they can get the benefits from it to form viable seeds.We know that most Pollen eating insects can do this also as witnessed mainly in Apiary research.The real work still needs to be done and may actually have been done on humans and other higher forms but I am unaware of it.I can only go by my personal experience as well as that of clients and family members.

 

Regarding the cracking process. For many years experiments were ran on the best way to make the Pollen nutrients contained inside the hard Pollinin coating, available to digestive processes in humans.After a lot of expensive and hard earned work the secret was finally found and to this day its closely guarded. The process is actually quite simple once understood.Large volumes of Pollen are exploded within a vacuum chamber which shatters the Pollinin coating quickly and more efficiently than other known methods.

 

In my own work, I have found few blenders with the power to smash the Pollinin hard enough or in the correct way to be efficient. So far the best has been a Vitamix blender although others have worked but to a lesser degree.One must be especially vigilant when doing this in a high speed strong blender so that the Pollen is not overheated.If you want to run your own experiments on this, simply process a half cup of Pollen in a Vitamix and then examine it under a Microscope.Do this before blending and after and you will quickly see the difference. I have found that Pollen is best cracked when done in a pure dry condition and not as blended with liquids or other ingredients.Damp Pollen that has not been dried till its hard is easier to "Crack" than hard dried granular form.It is extremely important to Freeze any Pollen but especially so once cracked because of degradation of the nutrients under normal temps, if not frozen.Mold grows much more rapidly on "Cracked' Pollen which again, I feel, demonstrates increased nutritional benefits.

 

I used to feel as you do about the possible and very strong hype surrounding Pollen.Processors often attribute ( in my opinion) miraculous results from Pollen use and although this might be true. I have not witnessed it in my work.Its great stuff especially when taken in a blended ( multi species) form but I have found its even better when combined with other foods such as Super Algae etc. If you have further questions please ask.

 

Don

 

 

 

Valorie Shillington <ValorieShillington (AT) Knology (DOT) net> wrote:

 

 

 

Don,

 

Question: What if you chew the bee pollen or blend it in a drink?

Seems like either of these would break "this tough coating".

 

Are you sure this is not just a sales pitch or pre-paid research to come out with a pre-set conclusion?

 

No disrespect intended. This just sounds a bit fishy to me.

 

 

Valorie

 

 

 

-

don wells

herbal remedies

Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:14 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Bee Pollen for Ovulation

 

 

Carla <rose.carla > wrote:

 

 

Hi Carla,My cycles are on the long side (35-40 days) and I ovulate around CD 18 or so. In the past I have taken Vitex and False Unicorn (together) to ovulate at all and my cycles have been normal for a few years now.Any feedback on bee pollen would be appreciated.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I have no experience with ovulation problems but if the herbs worked why not go back to them again? Follow Valerie's advice it comes from good practicle experience and you cant beat that!

What I can comment on is Pollen itself. It's truly an amazing thing or rather things. What a lot of folks dont realize about Pollen is that every tiny little partcle of pollen is covered in a very tough hard outter coating called Pollinin.This protects the vital nutrients for use by the reproducing flowers its meant for. plants have special enzymes to break Pollen down and to get to those nutrients for use. Humans as well as most animals do not have these abilities or certainly have less of the right enzymes to get through this tough coating while the Pollen is in the body and much of it is wasted as a result. Quite a bit of obscure research has been done regarding this fact. The answer to this problem in human nutrition was worked out many years ago by real researchers who wanted to promote Pollen as the best food on earth. Simply put, Pollen must be processed in such a way that the Pollinin coating is shattered or cracked so our digestive enzymes can get to the vital nutrients they contain. This is done in at least a few Pollen products on the market in the U.S. I highly recommend that if you do use Pollen, that you make sure its been cracked or broken otherwise your throwing a lot of money away!Any company going through this extra step will advertise it. If the pollen product your now using doesnt say "Double cracked or shattered" I think you can assume its just regular and I recommend not using it.

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