Practicing Naturopathy (was: New Member Intro!)

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Hi Veronica,

 

Some people are able to practice under an acupuncture or massage

license in those states that require licensure, and include the

naturopathy as part of their healing practice. I think you just have

to be sure you use the proper terminology and don't do anything that

can be construed as " practicing medicine without a license. " Every

state has different laws. It's really absurd that traditional

naturopathy is so discriminated against.

 

You may also be able to practice as a " holistic health practitioner "

or " natural health consultant. " It's the word " naturopath " that seems

to cause problems. The pseudo-medico Naturopathic Physicians seem to

have co-opted the word.

 

Laurel

 

 

*I have just learned that naturopathy was not allowed

here in Florida, which is sucks. Are there any type of

fields or anything that would allow some type of

alternative health to be incorporated? If I am asking

the question the right way...lol!

 

Veronica*

 

 

 

 

 

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There are alternative health practioners in some states who are actually chiropracters with nutrition / herbal / homeopathic experience. Basically, here is how it goes: To find natural health practitioners, either large cosmopolitan cities, Pacific Northewest, Arizona and Connecticut are good choices. To find practioners of herbal medicine (chinese and Indian), many large cities have them. (Surprisingly, having lived in Cleveland, they have 2 chinese herbal health stores/chinese medicine herbal doctors and a fairly large macrobiotic community). Basically, you have to investigate it on the net or go to health food stores/co-ops and just talk to people.Laurel <laureltheartist wrote: Hi Veronica,Some people are able to practice under an acupuncture or massagelicense in those states that require licensure, and include thenaturopathy as part of their healing practice. I think you just haveto be sure you use the proper terminology and don't do anything thatcan be construed as "practicing medicine without a license." Everystate has different laws. It's really absurd that traditionalnaturopathy is so discriminated against. You may also be able to practice as a "holistic health practitioner"or "natural health consultant." It's the word "naturopath" that seemsto cause problems. The pseudo-medico Naturopathic Physicians seem tohave co-opted the word.Laurel*I have just learned that naturopathy was not allowedhere in

Florida, which is sucks. Are there any type offields or anything that would allow some type ofalternative health to be incorporated? If I am askingthe question the right way...lol!Veronica*

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Hi Laurel,

 

I was looking at that last night about the Natural

Health Consulting. That is actually something that I

was looking into. I was trying to find out how I could

go about getting licensing and everything for natural

health consulting here in Florida but didn't see

anything when I went on the myflorida.com site or

anything else that I thought I would have been able to

find it. Maybe I overlooked it or something. I'll keep

looking until I find it! Thanks!

 

Veronica

 

 

 

 

 

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Right you are Laurel, and to the shame of the name.

By definition, Naturopathy comes from the Latin - Natus; meaning "Birth or CAUSE", the Old English preposition "O" meaning "of", and the Greek word Pathos meaning Disease.

One can easily deduce from this that a Naturopath looks to handle the "CAUSE" of Disease rather than just treat the symptom as the Medicos do.

The Bastyr curriculum which gets into injections, light surgeries, and pharmaceuticals are creating no more than Medical Doctor wannabees.

A real shame.

Doc

 

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Laurel

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 2:39 AM

Herbal Remedies - Practicing Naturopathy (was: New Member Intro!)

 

 

Hi Veronica,Some people are able to practice under an acupuncture or massagelicense in those states that require licensure, and include thenaturopathy as part of their healing practice. I think you just haveto be sure you use the proper terminology and don't do anything thatcan be construed as "practicing medicine without a license." Everystate has different laws. It's really absurd that traditionalnaturopathy is so discriminated against. You may also be able to practice as a "holistic health practitioner"or "natural health consultant." It's the word "naturopath" that seemsto cause problems. The pseudo-medico Naturopathic Physicians seem tohave co-opted the word.Laurel*I have just learned that naturopathy was not allowedhere in Florida, which is sucks. Are there any type offields or anything that would allow some type ofalternative health to be incorporated? If I am askingthe question the right way...lol!Veronica*

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Laurel, keep searching. Ifyou search with an open mind you will find that there are many types of healing forms out there. As for this board, the basis is non MD/OD types of treatment (mainly herbs/vitamins/homeopathy). In other cultures such as oriental ones, the basis of healing is yin/yang balance and if you are sick, it means you are out of balance with the corresponding herbs/dietary changes bringing you back in balance (macrobiotics practices this also). From what I have personally seen, here it goes: 1) Cancer: I have met individuals who got into macrobiotics because of cancer. One was cured, 2 look much better now than 1 yr ago, but still have cancer, but it is under control. I also know a lady who was cured from cancer by trying a multitude of things (none from an MD). I know one of the herbs she took was the essiac mixture. 2) Autoimmune disaeses (MS, arthritis, Lupus) I have heard of

cures of all these by removing dairy products, taking aloe and other herbs, but my father had his arthritis severly lessened by ginger root. Asthma also responds to dairy removal. 3) Overall health: By just switchingt o organically produced foods, your health (and everyones) will be improved by the decrease in toxins entering your system. Also look up ayurvedic medicine (Indian herbal and dietary).

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I am 45 yrs old and started reading PREVENTION magazine in 1979. It was pure naturo. The magazine was so anti allopath and always had articles on how physicians were killing people from procedures and nasty medicines, However, over the years, prevention got into bed with the allopathic community. They advertise drugs and promote medical procedures. How things change.

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Dear Veronica,

 

The problem here in Florida is that the Medicos have it all sewed up. Florida, being the geriatric capitol of the world has the tightest laws, giving the Medicos an almost complete monopoly here.

 

The trick is to not be giving "medical advice". We had a naturopath in Safety Harbor (5 miles from me) who was set up (a sting operation), and she ended up in jail for a couple of days sharing a cell with winos, junkies, and prostitutes. She is still fighting this battle in the Florida courts.

 

I don't recommend licensure at all. One simply needs to keep one's consultations educational = a classroom experience rather than on a diagnosis / consultation basis. I have the "law" somewhere in my files, and if you're truly interested, I could find it and post it to the list, but it makes for awful boring reading, and in a nut shell it states that no one may practice Naturopathy without a license here in the state of Florida. Buuuuuuuuuuuuut, there hasn't been a new license issued in over 30 years. Nice trick.

 

The word "Doctor" comes from the Latin, "Docare" which means, "To Teach", and so far there is no law against "teaching" anyone anything. But don't try it on a one to one basis, or you'll be set up as Anita was. Small groups of "students" is the way to go, and make sure you know a couple of them personally so as to have witnesses.

 

Another viewpoint is, "Why would you want to be licensed by a system that is corrupt and failing??????"

 

Hope this helps.

 

In Health, Freedom, and Love,

 

Doc

 

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

 

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Veronica Scurry

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 1:00 PM

Herbal Remedies - Re: Practicing Naturopathy (was: New Member Intro!)

 

 

Hi Laurel,I was looking at that last night about the NaturalHealth Consulting. That is actually something that Iwas looking into. I was trying to find out how I couldgo about getting licensing and everything for naturalhealth consulting here in Florida but didn't seeanything when I went on the myflorida.com site oranything else that I thought I would have been able tofind it. Maybe I overlooked it or something. I'll keeplooking until I find it! Thanks!Veronica

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Veronica, another way of looking at it (and Doc is very right), if you gave someone some herbal preperation and he/she died that night (from unrelated causes) (or from an allergy to the herb, which is very rare), you will be on the 6pm news as a quack, but let an MD give someone a med in which they die from some side effect (actually very common, from allergic recations to liver failure (common with statins)) and you will hear nothing about it! Also, the drug companies control many of the health laws in many states and have had herbs / alternative medicines removed from the shelves saying that they were dangerous. (2 Big examples: Quinine, which is anti-malarial, anti spasms, mild muscle relaxing and a mild sleeping pill was removed due to "side effects". The main side effect being the drug companies could not sell their newer 5 dollar a pill tablets that did not work as well as long as there was this quinine on the market. Another

herb which was removed was called Ma Huang. It was the source of ephedra and has uses in asthma, breathing problems, stimulation.) "Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington wrote: Dear Veronica, The problem here in Florida is that the Medicos have it all sewed up. Florida, being the geriatric capitol of the world has the tightest

laws, giving the Medicos an almost complete monopoly here. The trick is to not be giving "medical advice". We had a naturopath in Safety Harbor (5 miles from me) who was set up (a sting operation), and she ended up in jail for a couple of days sharing a cell with winos, junkies, and prostitutes. She is still fighting this battle in the Florida courts. I don't recommend licensure at all. One simply needs to keep one's consultations educational = a classroom experience rather than on a diagnosis / consultation basis. I have the "law" somewhere in my files, and if you're truly interested, I could find it and post it to the list, but it makes for awful boring reading, and in a

nut shell it states that no one may practice Naturopathy without a license here in the state of Florida. Buuuuuuuuuuuuut, there hasn't been a new license issued in over 30 years. Nice trick. The word "Doctor" comes from the Latin, "Docare" which means, "To Teach", and so far there is no law against "teaching" anyone anything. But don't try it on a one to one basis, or you'll be set up as Anita was. Small groups of "students" is the way to go, and make sure you know a couple of them personally so as to have witnesses. Another viewpoint is, "Why would you want to be licensed by a system that is corrupt and failing??????" Hope this helps. In Health, Freedom, and Love, Doc Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc - Veronica Scurry herbal remedies Tuesday, June 27, 2006 1:00 PM Herbal Remedies - Re: Practicing Naturopathy (was: New Member Intro!) Hi Laurel,I was looking at that last night about the NaturalHealth Consulting. That is actually something that Iwas looking into. I was trying to find out how I couldgo about getting licensing and everything for naturalhealth consulting here in Florida but didn't seeanything when I went on the myflorida.com site oranything else that I thought I would have been able tofind it. Maybe I overlooked it or something. I'll keeplooking until I find it! Thanks!VeronicaTired of spam? Mail has the

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Some people think that GNC actually has decent herbal products. LOL

Just like most healthfood stores, they've been infiltrated by Big Pharma.

:-)

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tony vergilatis

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Tuesday, June 27, 2006 8:00 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Practicing Naturopathy (was: New Member Intro!)

 

 

I am 45 yrs old and started reading PREVENTION magazine in 1979. It was pure naturo. The magazine was so anti allopath and always had articles on how physicians were killing people from procedures and nasty medicines, However, over the years, prevention got into bed with the allopathic community. They advertise drugs and promote medical procedures. How things change.

 

 

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Doc, I know a macrobiotic teacher/practitioner whose main comment is that he has cancer specialists as clients (because of cancer). I find it funny that these doctors who practice poisoning (chemo) and burning (radiation) for 30 yrs, go to a naturo type healer when they get the disease!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington wrote: Some people think that GNC actually has decent herbal products. LOL Just like most healthfood

stores, they've been infiltrated by Big Pharma. :-) Doc Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc - tony vergilatis herbal remedies Tuesday, June 27, 2006 8:00 PM Re:

Herbal Remedies - Practicing Naturopathy (was: New Member Intro!) I am 45 yrs old and started reading PREVENTION magazine in 1979. It was pure naturo. The magazine was so anti allopath and always had articles on how physicians were killing people from procedures and nasty medicines, However, over the years, prevention got into bed with the allopathic community. They advertise drugs and promote medical procedures. How things change. Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta.

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Doc, There was a time that I considered naturopathic medicine. However, I have since discovered that herbs and nutrition are what interest me the most - an what I've had the most success with. So, my question is this. What is the best way to go about becoming an herbalist, or at least assessing the quality of an online course? I am not concerned about licensure, because I plan on becoming a nutritionist or ethnobotanist (long story, but the short of it is that my education options depend on where I will be living) The main thing is I want to teach and write about herbs. Like breastfeeding advocacy - I feel that education is the key. The more educated consumers are, the quicker the tides will change back to a more natural way of doing

things. Tammi U.Dr. Ian Shillington <DocShillingtonherbal remedies Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:23:29 PMRe: Herbal Remedies - Re: Practicing Naturopathy (was: New Member Intro!) Dear Veronica, The problem here in Florida is that the Medicos have it all sewed up. Florida, being the geriatric capitol of the world has the tightest laws, giving the Medicos an almost complete monopoly here. The trick is to not be giving "medical advice". We had a naturopath in Safety Harbor (5 miles from me) who was set up (a sting operation), and she ended up in jail for a couple of days sharing a cell with winos, junkies, and prostitutes. She is still fighting this battle in the Florida courts. I don't recommend licensure at all. One simply needs to keep one's consultations educational = a classroom experience rather than on a diagnosis /

consultation basis. I have the "law" somewhere in my files, and if you're truly interested, I could find it and post it to the list, but it makes for awful boring reading, and in a nut shell it states that no one may practice Naturopathy without a license here in the state of Florida. Buuuuuuuuuuuuut, there hasn't been a new license issued in over 30 years. Nice trick. The word "Doctor" comes from the Latin, "Docare" which means, "To Teach", and so far there is no law against "teaching" anyone anything. But don't try it on a one to one basis, or you'll be set up as Anita was. Small groups of "students" is the way to go, and make sure you know a couple of them personally so as to have witnesses.

Another viewpoint is, "Why would you want to be licensed by a system that is corrupt and failing??????" Hope this helps. In Health, Freedom, and Love, Doc Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc - Veronica Scurry herbal remedies Tuesday, June 27, 2006 1:00 PM Herbal Remedies - Re: Practicing Naturopathy (was: New Member Intro!) Hi Laurel,I was looking at that last night about the NaturalHealth Consulting. That is actually something that Iwas looking into. I was trying to find out how I couldgo about getting licensing and everything for naturalhealth consulting here in Florida but didn't seeanything when I went on the

myflorida.com site oranything else that I thought I would have been able tofind it. Maybe I overlooked it or something. I'll keeplooking until I find it! Thanks!Veronica____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail.

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Hi Doc,

 

Mainly what I would like to do is educate others on

natural health with herbs, vitamins, supplements, etc.

I was thinking about natural health consulting because

I wanted to have some kind of certification that would

say I am certified to teach this information. You know

how there are those that want to see your license or

are very particular about your title like Dr., RN,

etc. I do understand what you are saying about the

one-on-one and classroom teaching. Are there any

liability forms, etc. that you can use when giving a

consultation or presentation so that they can't say

you are trying to give medical advice and that says

that you are only educating the person on these

natural methods, not diagnosing any problems?

 

I guess I am asking the right questions but I am not

sure. Does that make sense?

 

Veronica

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I recently had an interesting " insight " into the healthcare profession.

 

I attended a breastfeeding conferences - It was geared towards

healthcare professionals RN's, IBCLC's, MD's, etc... Anyone could come

of course, and since I'm hoping to become a nutritionist/herbalist

that specializes in maternal, infant and child nutrition I want to

also add IBCLC to the mix. This conference had a very technical slant,

since the organizers of the event felt that since doctors needed more

" education " about breastfeeding (which they do), the conference should

be geared more towards the " science " behind breastfeeding.

 

The information revolved around the anatomy of the breast, the

composition of the milk, and how they change over time - i.e. birth to

four years post-partum. There were lots of diagrams, charts, and of

course $20.00 dollar words.

 

I took notes, wrote down journal articles to find and read and so on.

I went home and for the next week I read up on everything. If I didn't

know a word, I looked it up. If I didn't understand how something was

done, I asked a friend of mine (who is an M.D. - who acts more like an

N.D! - She thinks her fellow colleagues are ignorant about the bodies

ability to heal itself) to explain how they came up with what they

came up with and so on. I was able to walk away with a decent working

knowledge of what the researchers were talking about.

 

Later, I was talking with one of the organizers who told me that the

biggest complaint they had was that the confrence was " too technical " ,

and that it was difficult to follow. I asked who did most of the

complaining. She said that the majority of the complaints came from

drs, nurses, registered dietitions and a few IBCLC's who were not

familiar with the research to begin with!

 

I find it Ironic that the most complaints came from the folks with

" credentials " , and that I, an artist and a stay at home mother of four

with two years of business school and a few biology courses under my

belt, walked away with an understanding of the information that I came

to get in the first place. I'm not tooting my own horn here, but...

aren't I the one that should be going " DUH!!! " ??

 

Tammi U.

 

 

 

herbal remedies , tony vergilatis

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> Doc, I know a macrobiotic teacher/practitioner whose main comment is

that he has cancer specialists as clients (because of cancer). I find

it funny that these doctors who practice poisoning (chemo) and burning

(radiation) for 30 yrs, go to a naturo type healer when they get the

disease!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest guest]

I've seen quinine powder for sale. Is this the same thing? Can one get

it in one form, but not another?

 

Tammi U.

 

herbal remedies , tony vergilatis 2 Big

examples: Quinine, which is anti-malarial, anti spasms, mild muscle

relaxing and a mild sleeping pill was removed due to " side effects " .

The main side effect being the drug companies could not sell their

newer 5 dollar a pill tablets that did not work as well as long as

there was this quinine on the market.

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Is it pure quinine? Also, you can get chinchona bark powder, which has quinine. Tammi <wundrfulworld wrote: I've seen quinine powder for sale. Is this the same thing? Can one getit in one form, but not another?Tammi U.herbal remedies , tony vergilatis 2 Bigexamples: Quinine, which is anti-malarial, anti spasms, mild musclerelaxing and a mild sleeping pill was removed due to "side effects".The main side effect

being the drug companies could not sell theirnewer 5 dollar a pill tablets that did not work as well as long asthere was this quinine on the market.

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Dear Veronica,

There are liability forms, but they have limited workability in a legal case scenario.

You can get an N.D (Naturopathic Doctor) diploma from Trinity, or an M.H. (Master Herbalist) diploma from Doc Christopher's School of Natural Healing (my personal recommendation) and according to "Right to Work" laws in just about every state including Florida, you have the right to practice that which you've been trained in (as long as it doesn't infringe on any other laws), which of course it does since most states require some kind of licensure. Licensure is different from a sheep skin diploma you hang on a wall.

I personally am against licensure, since this leads to vested interests taking over an entire field as Big Pharma is now attempting to do to the alternative health field.

Hope this answers it for you.

In Health, Freedom, and Love,

Doc

 

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

 

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Veronica Scurry

herbal remedies

Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:15 AM

Herbal Remedies - Re: Practicing Naturopathy (was: New Member Intro!)

 

 

Hi Doc,Mainly what I would like to do is educate others onnatural health with herbs, vitamins, supplements, etc.I was thinking about natural health consulting becauseI wanted to have some kind of certification that wouldsay I am certified to teach this information. You knowhow there are those that want to see your license orare very particular about your title like Dr., RN,etc. I do understand what you are saying about theone-on-one and classroom teaching. Are there anyliability forms, etc. that you can use when giving aconsultation or presentation so that they can't sayyou are trying to give medical advice and that saysthat you are only educating the person on thesenatural methods, not diagnosing any problems?I guess I am asking the right questions but I am notsure. Does that make sense?Veronica

[Guest guest]

That's a good question. I'll have to check and see, but I think it's

the latter. What's the difference between the two? Why would one be

legal, and the other not?

 

Tammi U.

 

herbal remedies , tony vergilatis

<greekamerican1961 wrote:

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> Is it pure quinine? Also, you can get chinchona bark powder, which

has quinine.