Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 Hello, I am new to the group and have been following some of the posts with interest (although with a little bewilderment, as well *grin*). There is so much to learn! But while I am learning I had a question which perhaps some of the professional Naturopaths among you may be able to answer. I've been looking at a book based on homeopathic- some have even called them alchemical- flower essences and thought about taking the Echinacea which is said to help with past emotional trauma. (For those of you here who don't know, Homeopathy uses tiny amounts of an herb or mineral that would cause severe symptoms akin to the disease the individual is suffering from if it was taken in massive amounts, and with flower essences you only take 3-4 drops of the liquid the flower has been soaking in at a time.) A friend warned me that Echinacea would interfere with my immune system, but I told him that because I'd only be taking minute doses it would be unlikely to effect me directly in a physical way. He told me he once went to a Naturopath who used flower essences and so he thought they should be treated as a naturopathic remedy. So my questions are: are Bach or other Flower Essences considered naturopathic in application, and (for those of you who have used them) could they effect my immune system in an adverse way? Thanks very much for your comments, Emuru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Hello Emuru! Echinacea angustifolia / Echinacea purpurea are both immune modulating. This means that it can modulate your immune system, or balance it. (increasing your immunity when needed, regulating it if overactive). WHilst the 'immune modulating property' is debated over by herbalists, it is widely accepted and shown through clinical research to increase immunity. ( I have personally used it to balance immunity to those with over active immunity or dysregulated immunity with sucess.) There are a few things to consider here about what you ask - a) That it is the root that is the most active part of the plant , with the flower head not containg the active alkalymides that are present in the root. ( the flower essence uses the flower) b) Given that you are taking the herb in a homeopathic dose, it is unlikely to have a phamacological effect. c) the water the flowers have been soaking in is called a mother tincture. Depending on the essences, a few drops of this mother tincture is used to make a a bottle of stock essence, of which a few drop is used to make a bottle of dosage essence. The most 'watered down' it is, the more energetically potent. Flower essences are used widely by naturopaths, and thereofor, could be considered naturopathic by all means. It does, however, have to be considered different from herbal medicine such that they contain different properties i.e. flower essences hold the energetic imprint of that flower, whilst herbal medicine holds all the phamacologically active constituents as well as any energetic input. I do have to ad here that anything could potentially be considered naturopathic, depending on the trends in individual countries. This is why some of my collegues like to call thmselves Herbalists as well as Naturopaths. I hope this answers a few of your questions. Regards, Hania. Hania TrzaskowskiBHSci. NatChirinka Natural Therapies Hello,I am new to the group and have been following some of the posts with interest (although with a little bewilderment, as well *grin*). There is so much to learn! But while I am learning I had a question which perhaps some of the professional Naturopaths among you may be able to answer.I've been looking at a book based on homeopathic- some have even called them alchemical- flower essences and thought about taking the Echinacea which is said to help with past emotional trauma. (For those of you here who don't know, Homeopathy uses tiny amounts of an herb or mineral that would cause severe symptoms akin to the disease the individual is suffering from if it was taken in massive amounts, and with flower essences you only take 3-4 drops of the liquid the flower has been soaking in at a time.)A friend warned me that Echinacea would interfere with my immune system, but I told him that because I'd only be taking minute doses it would be unlikely to effect me directly in a physical way. He told me he once went to a Naturopath who used flower essences and so he thought they should be treated as a naturopathic remedy. So my questions are: are Bach or other Flower Essences considered naturopathic in application, and (for those of you who have used them) could they effect my immune system in an adverse way?Thanks very much for your comments,Emuru Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.3/374 - Release 23/06/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Dear Hania, Please remember our policy of using simple words. Most of the people who come to this list for help need the simple approach and not, the $20 verbose nomenclature. :-) Doc Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc - Hania Trzaskowski herbal remedies Saturday, June 24, 2006 9:08 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Echinacea purpurea Flower Essence Hello Emuru! Echinacea angustifolia / Echinacea purpurea are both immune modulating. This means that it can modulate your immune system, or balance it. (increasing your immunity when needed, regulating it if overactive). WHilst the 'immune modulating property' is debated over by herbalists, it is widely accepted and shown through clinical research to increase immunity. ( I have personally used it to balance immunity to those with over active immunity or dysregulated immunity with sucess.) There are a few things to consider here about what you ask - a) That it is the root that is the most active part of the plant , with the flower head not containg the active alkalymides that are present in the root. ( the flower essence uses the flower) b) Given that you are taking the herb in a homeopathic dose, it is unlikely to have a phamacological effect. c) the water the flowers have been soaking in is called a mother tincture. Depending on the essences, a few drops of this mother tincture is used to make a a bottle of stock essence, of which a few drop is used to make a bottle of dosage essence. The most 'watered down' it is, the more energetically potent. Flower essences are used widely by naturopaths, and thereofor, could be considered naturopathic by all means. It does, however, have to be considered different from herbal medicine such that they contain different properties i.e. flower essences hold the energetic imprint of that flower, whilst herbal medicine holds all the phamacologically active constituents as well as any energetic input. I do have to ad here that anything could potentially be considered naturopathic, depending on the trends in individual countries. This is why some of my collegues like to call thmselves Herbalists as well as Naturopaths. I hope this answers a few of your questions. Regards, Hania. Hania TrzaskowskiBHSci. NatChirinka Natural Therapies Hello,I am new to the group and have been following some of the posts with interest (although with a little bewilderment, as well *grin*). There is so much to learn! But while I am learning I had a question which perhaps some of the professional Naturopaths among you may be able to answer.I've been looking at a book based on homeopathic- some have even called them alchemical- flower essences and thought about taking the Echinacea which is said to help with past emotional trauma. (For those of you here who don't know, Homeopathy uses tiny amounts of an herb or mineral that would cause severe symptoms akin to the disease the individual is suffering from if it was taken in massive amounts, and with flower essences you only take 3-4 drops of the liquid the flower has been soaking in at a time.)A friend warned me that Echinacea would interfere with my immune system, but I told him that because I'd only be taking minute doses it would be unlikely to effect me directly in a physical way. He told me he once went to a Naturopath who used flower essences and so he thought they should be treated as a naturopathic remedy. So my questions are: are Bach or other Flower Essences considered naturopathic in application, and (for those of you who have used them) could they effect my immune system in an adverse way?Thanks very much for your comments,Emuru Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.3/374 - Release 23/06/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Hi Doc and Hania, I just wanted to thank you for the info, Hania (which was about what I figured- there's a first-) and let Doc know that I didn't have too much trouble with the big words. But I absolutely do appreciate a doctor who CARES if laypeople can understand the big words!! This is a wonderful thing, as is the whole idea of your group, imho. I've learned more helpful info about herbs from the whole site in one week than I have in years reading books written by people who want to sell me synthetic medications. THANK you all, Emuru ~~~ herbal remedies , " Dr. Ian Shillington " <DocShillington wrote: > > Dear Hania, > Please remember our policy of using simple words. > Most of the people who come to this list for help need the simple approach and not, > the $20 verbose nomenclature. > :-) > Doc > > Doc Shillington > 727-447-5282 > Doc > > - > Hania Trzaskowski > herbal remedies > Saturday, June 24, 2006 9:08 PM > Re: Herbal Remedies - Echinacea purpurea Flower Essence > > Hello Emuru! > > Echinacea angustifolia / Echinacea purpurea are both immune modulating. This means that it can modulate your immune system, or balance it. (increasing your immunity when needed, regulating it if overactive). WHilst the 'immune modulating property' is debated over by herbalists, it is widely accepted and shown through clinical research to increase immunity. ( I have personally used it to balance immunity to those with over active immunity or dysregulated immunity with sucess.) > There are a few things to consider here about what you ask - > a) That it is the root that is the most active part of the plant , with the flower head not containg the active alkalymides that are present in the root. ( the flower essence uses the flower) > b) Given that you are taking the herb in a homeopathic dose, it is unlikely to have a phamacological effect. > c) the water the flowers have been soaking in is called a mother tincture. Depending on the essences, a few drops of this mother tincture is used to make a a bottle of stock essence, of which a few drop is used to make a bottle of dosage essence. The most 'watered down' it is, the more energetically potent. > > Flower essences are used widely by naturopaths, and thereofor, could be considered naturopathic by all means. It does, however, have to be considered different from herbal medicine such that they contain different properties i.e. flower essences hold the energetic imprint of that flower, whilst herbal medicine holds all the phamacologically active constituents as well as any energetic input. I do have to ad here that anything could potentially be considered naturopathic, depending on the trends in individual countries. This is why some of my collegues like to call thmselves Herbalists as well as Naturopaths. > > I hope this answers a few of your questions. > Regards, > Hania. > > Hania Trzaskowski > BHSci. Nat > Chirinka Natural Therapies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 Dear Emuru, You're most welcome, and I'm glad the big words didn't bother you too much. ;-) Often, the use of nomenclature (special words or names of items in a specialized subject), can put people to sleep. The most common thing is for people to go blank after the word, get frustrated with the subject and then blow from it (leave). It makes it very difficult when studying something new. A person gets into the subject of natural healing, runs into a bunch of Medico terms (shouldn't be used in natural healing anyway), and then blows the subject too often feeling the entire subject is incomprehensible (not understandable). Let me give you an example. The following sentence contains a "big" word that is perfectly acceptable English (it's in every big dictionary), but it is very seldom used in common conversation. "The children were very active and noisy, however when the crepuscule arrived, they became quite calm". Now the word here which messes everyone up is the word "crepuscule". Is it a new toy??? Or a favorite family member??? It sound like it might be an infection. Perhaps the children became sick with the plague??? Maybe they're just not feeling well now??? Get the idea??? The tendency is to make up a substitute word, or invent a meaning for it, but since there is no other sentence to relate it to, we are left with an impossible misunderstanding. Modern day education (which really sucks and is why I recommend people home school), tells our children to just keep on reading and go by these kinds of words, and then the next thing you know is our children are having a very rough time in school, and subjects like English Grammar and Mathematics become incomprehensible. Our children then "blow" from school and "hate" their teachers and we as parents tear our hair out feeling we're terrible failures as parents. Wellllllllll, the problem lies in, not just a poor, but a really terrible system of education as a result of the Psych influence for the last 70+ years. In the above sentence I gave you, when you get the definition of the word crepuscule and find it means: "the period of partial darkness at the beginning or the end of the day; twilight.", all of sudden the meaning of the sentence and the communication itself becomes quite clear. Very often I ask this question of children: "What does the word Mathematics mean". Invariably I get this hunted look on the child's face and a final admission that they don't really know. Well how in hell can we expect a child to know or learn a subject when the actual word that describes the subject itself has never been defined???????????????? The answer is, you can't!!!!!! Until a person learns that Mathematics means "The science of quantity" or "How to find out how much of something is there", they'll never have a complete grasp of the subject of Mathematics. They'll always be stuck in that blank period right after that misunderstood word. The secret is to use simple words when trying to communicate things of importance. This is why I have such a policy on HR and have even banned a few who couldn't comply. I recall a few years ago, I banned a guy who simply could not write a simple sentence without using a lot of technical jargon. He was incapable of using simple words, and put the whole list to sleep. I eventually had to let him go as he truly was no use to anyone. Shortly after that, I wrote that policy. Now, I'm no slouch when it comes to using a $20 dollar word once in a while, and any list member is welcome to query me or any other member's post when it comes to explaining in greater detail so as to make things better understood. We are all here to learn. And I hope this helps. In Health, Freedom, and Love, Doc Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc - Emuru herbal remedies Tuesday, June 27, 2006 5:05 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Echinacea purpurea Flower Essence Hi Doc and Hania,I just wanted to thank you for the info, Hania (which was about what I figured- there's a first-) and let Doc know that I didn't have too much trouble with the big words. But I absolutely do appreciate a doctor who CARES if laypeople can understand the big words!! This is a wonderful thing, as is the whole idea of your group, imho. I've learned more helpful info about herbs from the whole site in one week than I have in years reading books written by people who want to sell me synthetic medications.THANK you all,Emuru~~~herbal remedies , "Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington wrote:>> Dear Hania,> Please remember our policy of using simple words.> Most of the people who come to this list for help need the simple approach and not,> the $20 verbose nomenclature.> :-)> Doc> > Doc Shillington> 727-447-5282> Doc> - > Hania Trzaskowski > herbal remedies > Saturday, June 24, 2006 9:08 PM> Re: Herbal Remedies - Echinacea purpurea Flower Essence> > Hello Emuru!> > Echinacea angustifolia / Echinacea purpurea are both immune modulating. This means that it can modulate your immune system, or balance it. (increasing your immunity when needed, regulating it if overactive). WHilst the 'immune modulating property' is debated over by herbalists, it is widely accepted and shown through clinical research to increase immunity. ( I have personally used it to balance immunity to those with over active immunity or dysregulated immunity with sucess.)> There are a few things to consider here about what you ask -> a) That it is the root that is the most active part of the plant , with the flower head not containg the active alkalymides that are present in the root. ( the flower essence uses the flower)> b) Given that you are taking the herb in a homeopathic dose, it is unlikely to have a phamacological effect.> c) the water the flowers have been soaking in is called a mother tincture. Depending on the essences, a few drops of this mother tincture is used to make a a bottle of stock essence, of which a few drop is used to make a bottle of dosage essence. The most 'watered down' it is, the more energetically potent.> > Flower essences are used widely by naturopaths, and thereofor, could be considered naturopathic by all means. It does, however, have to be considered different from herbal medicine such that they contain different properties i.e. flower essences hold the energetic imprint of that flower, whilst herbal medicine holds all the phamacologically active constituents as well as any energetic input. I do have to ad here that anything could potentially be considered naturopathic, depending on the trends in individual countries. This is why some of my collegues like to call thmselves Herbalists as well as Naturopaths.> > I hope this answers a few of your questions. > Regards,> Hania.> > Hania Trzaskowski> BHSci. Nat> Chirinka Natural Therapies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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