Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 , " yingsuke2002 " <list@a...> wrote: The patient has no pain, no itching, no sensation of > feverishness etc.. he just doesn't like the look of it. You should be able to diagnose a rash by the history and the look of it. Is it red, flat, raised, suppurating, etc. If the condition is chronic, then it is probably necessary to treat the patient's constitution also. Can you give us more details on these things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 , " yingsuke2002 " <list@a...> wrote: I > looked tinea versicolor in the Beijing press' english-chinese > encyclopedias of TCM and there are some external treatments only, no > etiologies Geoff, I find external treatments very effective for Tinea in general, more so than Western ext treatments. Li Lin in his book Practical Traditional Chinese Dermatology says that in general patients don't need internal therapy but he suggests Hu Ma Wan for stubborn cases; Hu ma 120g ku shen fang feng bai fu zi du huo each 30g gan cao 15g Also Long dan xie gan tang for damp heat type. Other external possibilities are Qing dai gao, sold by Blue Poppy and very easy to make yourself or what I use is a vinegar soak of zao jiao and hong hua, 10g each soaked 3-5 days in 200ml vinegar then applied for a week and so on. Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2002 Report Share Posted June 4, 2002 Geoff, I've treated this condition a number of times. A simple external treatment which is usually effective is to soak 60g of Radix Stemonae (Bai Bu) and 6g of Borax (Peng Sha) in 250ml of rice wine (sake) for 3-4 days and then apply several times per day to the affected areas. In addition, a clear bland diet is usually necessary to treat the underlying root. At the least, avoidance of sugars, sweets, and simple carbs. Bob , " yingsuke2002 " <list@a...> wrote: > I have a patient who is coming in to treat a skin rash he has. His > skin lesion has been diagnosed as tinea / Pityriasis versicolor. I > looked tinea versicolor in the Beijing press' english-chinese > encyclopedias of TCM and there are some external treatments only, no > etiologies. The patient has no pain, no itching, no sensation of > feverishness etc.. he just doesn't like the look of it. One of the > treatments in the Beijing books has a note that the lesion, in most > cases, will be healed in 1-2 weeks. Some of the derm texts I've > looked at said that TX can take 6 months, at which point the rash > would have naturally gone away on it's own. This rash only comes > out in the spring and goes away in the autumn/winter. I would > imagine that since the rash comes out in the spring and it's on the > surface of the skin, the etiology likely includes > Wind. If anyone here has any other ideas, or experience using > externalwashes for fungal infections, please let me know. > > The wash is a fine powder of: > > Lithargyrum (Mi Tuo Seng) 30g > Sulphur (Liu Huang) 15g > Os Sepeilla (Hai Piao Xiao) 15g > Pericarpium Zanthoxyli (Chuan Jiao) 15g > > Apply BID by dipping a slice of ginger into the powder and rubbing > the lesion until it turns red, do not wash with water after > application, cure should be in 1-2wk, and continue 3-6 days after > lesion is gone to prevent reoccurrence. > > > Thanks, > Geoff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2002 Report Share Posted June 4, 2002 Thanks to everyone for the information on the tinea treatments. I tend to try the simple things first, and so we tried Tinactin spray. The rash has decreased quite a bit. There is still a lesion on the abdomen that doesn't respond to the anti-fungal like the neck/chest region does. I will try the topical herbal treatments for that. I don't know if it's typical or not, but the lesions on the neck/chest are hypopigmented and the lesion on the abdomen is hyperpigmented. Size / shape are basically identical. The lesion on the abdomen is always there as opposed to the neck / chest region which only comes up in the Spring. I'm using Wen Dan Tang right now to treat internally, but I think we'll have to see next year if the internal treatments prevent a reocurrence of the tinea. Cheers, Geoff , " pemachophel2001 " <pemachophel2001> wrote: > Geoff, > > I've treated this condition a number of times. A simple external > treatment which is usually effective is to soak 60g of Radix Stemonae > (Bai Bu) and 6g of Borax (Peng Sha) in 250ml of rice wine (sake) for > 3-4 days and then apply several times per day to the affected areas. > In addition, a clear bland diet is usually necessary to treat the > underlying root. At the least, avoidance of sugars, sweets, and simple > carbs. > > Bob > > , " yingsuke2002 " <list@a...> wrote: > > I have a patient who is coming in to treat a skin rash he has. His > > skin lesion has been diagnosed as tinea / Pityriasis versicolor. I > > looked tinea versicolor in the Beijing press' english-chinese > > encyclopedias of TCM and there are some external treatments only, no > > etiologies. The patient has no pain, no itching, no sensation of > > feverishness etc.. he just doesn't like the look of it. One of the > > treatments in the Beijing books has a note that the lesion, in most > > cases, will be healed in 1-2 weeks. Some of the derm texts I've > > looked at said that TX can take 6 months, at which point the rash > > would have naturally gone away on it's own. This rash only comes > > out in the spring and goes away in the autumn/winter. I would > > imagine that since the rash comes out in the spring and it's on the > > surface of the skin, the etiology likely includes > > Wind. If anyone here has any other ideas, or experience using > > externalwashes for fungal infections, please let me know. > > > > The wash is a fine powder of: > > > > Lithargyrum (Mi Tuo Seng) 30g > > Sulphur (Liu Huang) 15g > > Os Sepeilla (Hai Piao Xiao) 15g > > Pericarpium Zanthoxyli (Chuan Jiao) 15g > > > > Apply BID by dipping a slice of ginger into the powder and rubbing > > the lesion until it turns red, do not wash with water after > > application, cure should be in 1-2wk, and continue 3-6 days after > > lesion is gone to prevent reoccurrence. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Geoff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2002 Report Share Posted June 5, 2002 out of curiosity how many people treated tinea of nails successfully Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2002 Report Share Posted June 5, 2002 I have used Tu Jin Pi several times and it's worked pretty well. I usually see some results after 3wks-1mo. I buy Tu Jin Pi from mayway. Geoff , " ALON MARCUS " <alonmarcus@w...> wrote: > out of curiosity how many people treated tinea of nails successfully > Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 My son and I have this. Beside antifungal meds, does any one have any natural suggestions we could try? Thanks Lisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Colloidal Silver. Gave some to my vet - cleared up a fungus in his cats that meds couldn't. Radiating UNCONDITIONAL LOVE & Truth To ALL who share our circle †" our universe, our love, our trust. May I always be found worthy. Gratitude & Thankfulness to All of Us a SoaringHawk Look at everything as though you were seeing it either for the first or last time. Then your time on earth will be filled with joy & glory. Thank you for YOU, Lisa! herbal remedies , " Lisa " <cochina1961 wrote: > > My son and I have this. Beside antifungal meds, does any one have any > natural suggestions we could try? > > Thanks > > Lisa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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