Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 If we look back at the history of western herbology, we see that it is Galenic/Hippocratic medicine, i.e. Greco-arabic medicine, a humoral, 'elemental' approach of balance, a pattern-based diagnostic system, and multi-ingredient prescriptions based on qualities such as flavor, temperature, target organ. I see modern Western herbology as a survivor from that era, with physiological influences from the Eclectic school. I think Eclectic herbalism is effective if practiced according to that system. I agree that there isn't right or wrong in bian zheng vs. physiology. There are benefits and detriments to both approaches, and they are complimentary. But in our modern medical culture we are weak in what CM has to offer, i.e. pattern diagnosis and polypharmacy prescriptions. The physiological approach is greatly dominant right now, and we need to emphasize pattern based medicine to make balance. On Thursday, January 31, 2002, at 03:30 PM, > If TCM is right (about the best way to use herbs according to bian > zheng), does that mean western herbology or naturopathy is wrong? I > was just telling my class that chinese culture does not embrace this > idea that if one thing is right, the other is wrong. It strikes me > that some arguments against WM take just this approach. But in the > chinese spirit, can't both TCM and modern physiology both be correct > safe ways to approach healing (and I am thinking more about western > holistic than western conventional, but I am thinking about modern > physiology in either case). > > -- > Chinese Herbs > > FAX: > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 But in the chinese spirit, can't both TCM and modern physiology both be correct safe ways to approach healing (and I am thinking more about western holistic than western conventional, but I am thinking about modern physiology in either case). >>>Only good studies will answer this question. Till now all we have is mostly dogma Alon - cha Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:30 PM question If TCM is right (about the best way to use herbs according to bian zheng), does that mean western herbology or naturopathy is wrong? I was just telling my class that chinese culture does not embrace this idea that if one thing is right, the other is wrong. It strikes me that some arguments against WM take just this approach. But in the chinese spirit, can't both TCM and modern physiology both be correct safe ways to approach healing (and I am thinking more about western holistic than western conventional, but I am thinking about modern physiology in either case). -- Chinese Herbs FAX: Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 -- , Chinese Herb Academy FAX: (413) 669-8859 Groups Sponsor ------- thanks for posting this...I suggest that the Goddess of Intuition should be our mascot. No doubt Alon will disagree. Rory -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 ulcerative colitis? ab Bob, What is UC? Malino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 In a message dated 12/28/2005 3:06:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, goatclearing writes: Thank you Gayla. Unfortunately two things. 1, They live down stairs and would wonder where it is. 2. I am superstitious about giving gifts to people that are gifts to me. I admit I have done the second however. I think I'll substitute real oil in the jar. " How do I tell the generous gift giver that I don't like > fragrances. " Jan you might say " thank you " and find someone to gove it to. The same as you would do with an acid green and red framed mirror.....? Gayla Roberts Always Enough Ranch Acampo, California Check out our SALE PAGE at www.bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenoughhobbysale.html A day without Bill Barnhill is like a day without sunshine! goatclearing http://coloredboers.home.att.net/always.html There is no failure except in no longer trying. Elbert Hubbard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 " How do I tell the generous gift giver that I don't like > fragrances. " Jan you might say " thank you " and find someone to gove it to. The same as you would do with an acid green and red framed mirror.....? Gayla Roberts Always Enough Ranch Acampo, California Check out our SALE PAGE at www.bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenoughhobbysale.html A day without Bill Barnhill is like a day without sunshine! goatclearing http://coloredboers.home.att.net/always.html There is no failure except in no longer trying. Elbert Hubbard Dial Broadband has arrived Nationwide! Up to 5 times faster than traditional dialup connections from $13.33/month! See the demo for yourself at <a href= " http://www.BigValley.net " >www.BigValley.net</a> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Hi Lizzie, Sage infusion is good, and food with lots of parsley. Sandy > Hi, > I mostly lurk and learn ( a lot). Are there any natural ways to dry > up breast milk? A friend of mine just miscarried in her 2oth week, > and I was wondering if there were any natural remedies she could use > to help speed things along. > Thanks, > Lizzie > Lizzie's Kitchen Made Soap > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Dear Elle, what I've heard (in college biochemistry) is that urine is sterile unless you have a kidney, urinary tract, or bladder infection. jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 I have read positive things in urine therapy research and do find it intriguing to say the least. I admittedly, do have a problem getting my head around the whole idea... but have not yet formed the opinion that the research is without merit. I find it extremely fascinating and brave... can you imagine the thoughts of the first individual that tried this?? The thing that keeps me so fascinated, is yes, this is recycled vitamins, minerals, salts, and filtered blood... so i see many benefits in this and try to look at the bladder issue as one of just volume. We cant hold all the intake, as the bladder has a definate volume and will expand just so much... so we are forced to expel what might otherwise be used completely by the body. I will keep looking at this research, and maybe muster up the courage... one day. ;~D blessings.. spot herbal remedies , " Raven " <poetress_of_passion wrote: > > My wish is not to offend anyone but I thought this would be a good > place to discuss Urine Therapy. My girlfriend came over yesterday > raving about the research that she has done on it which prompted me to > do some research myself from a skeptics point of view. I was surprised > to see how many articles that I have seen on it. > > My logic is even though you may be recirculating vitamins and minerals > you would also be recirrculating the germs or any infection as well. > > It is hard for me to stomach the idea but I want to give it at least a > look before I dismiss the uncomfortable idea > > > Any thoughts? > > > > > Elle > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 One of my dear friends broke a glass teapot filled with boiling water, burning her leg from thigh to the foot. We put her into the shower and collected our urine to put on the burn. She has no scar, and she healed very quickly. Samantha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 My dad grew up on the once UNpopulated beaches of the Gulf of Mexico, and he told me they used to urinate on the stings and burns from jellyfish and other " sea creatures " to make it stop hurting! A little off topic, but still fascinating! LOL! I don't know if I am ready for it, but it IS interesting! I'm with spot on this one... maybe one day ) Love and Blessings, ~Raaven herbal remedies , " ypoonS1123 " <ypoons1123 wrote: > > One of my dear friends broke a glass teapot filled > with boiling water, burning her leg from thigh to the > foot. We put her into the shower and collected our > urine to put on the burn. She has no scar, and she > healed very quickly. > > Samantha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Urine is also a great cure for athleets foot ( so I've heard ) smile!E J Lanier <raavenart wrote: My dad grew up on the once UNpopulated beaches of the Gulf of Mexico,and he told me they used to urinate on the stings and burns fromjellyfish and other "sea creatures" to make it stop hurting! A littleoff topic, but still fascinating! LOL! I don't know if I am ready forit, but it IS interesting! I'm with spot on this one... maybe one day )Love and Blessings, ~Raavenherbal remedies , "ypoonS1123"<ypoons1123 wrote:>> One of my dear friends broke a glass teapot filled> with boiling water, burning her leg from thigh to the> foot. We put her into the shower and collected our> urine to put on the burn. She has no scar, and she> healed very quickly. > > Samantha Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 Dear Elle, We had a major debate on this subject a couple of years ago, and it might behoove you to check back into our message archives and do a search. The general consensus back then was that this kind of therapy had some very beneficial uses but that it was limited, and should only be used once in a while rather than putting oneself on a long term program of it. There are more germs in the mouth than in urine so that is not a factor. Urine is quite pristine and sterile, but it is waste product. Believe it or not, the effects of taking one's own urine internally is more of a homeopathic approach. In essesence one is using these waste products to turn on the body's defense mechanisms which it does quite well. Since we are all different, our own urine is the best to turn on the defences we ourselves need. Many on the list at that time tried it (I was not one of them since I'm already very full of health and don't want to change anything I'm doing), but these guys reported some good wins from doing it, so I'd say it is a tool and it does work. In Health, Freedom, and Love, Doc Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc - Raven herbal remedies Saturday, June 17, 2006 10:56 AM Herbal Remedies - Question My wish is not to offend anyone but I thought this would be a good place to discuss Urine Therapy. My girlfriend came over yesterday raving about the research that she has done on it which prompted me to do some research myself from a skeptics point of view. I was surprised to see how many articles that I have seen on it.My logic is even though you may be recirculating vitamins and minerals you would also be recirrculating the germs or any infection as well. It is hard for me to stomach the idea but I want to give it at least a look before I dismiss the uncomfortable ideaAny thoughts?Elle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Hi, I haven't tried the tea, but I just wanted to pipe in and ask what your thinking was in terms of the low-cal diet. Not all low-cal diets are created equal, and imo, some can be harmful. At the moment, here's what I'm eating: fish vegetables (all kinds, except for potatoes, but for instance, I have spaghetti squash rather than spaghetti, and then lots of fresh veggies to make the sauce) fruit (all kinds) some rice and rice products soy yoghurt one "green smoothie" a day (this is a blend of green leafy veggies and fruit, about 40% leafies) extra virgin coconut oil and extra virgin olive oil small portions of nuts (almonds, mainly) beans (kidney and black mainly) If I'm craving sweets I'll have two or three small to medium sized vegan cookies, or some dark chocolate. I drink peppermint tea when my stomach hurts, otherwise rosehip & hibiscus tea for the vitamin C, or other herbal teas just for pleasure, like lemon blossom tea. Ginger tea works for nausea. I'm against the low-carb diets out there, although as you can see I'm trying to avoid a lot of the starches. I haven't cut out carrots or fruit, despite their sugar content, because I think you do need carbs, and those are quicker to break down. Fish is a good source of protein, and it has omega-3 oils and other nice stuff, and of course it's a lot leaner than most meat. I also think it's lower in hormones and such. And then soy is very good as long as you aren't allergic to it. I'm avoiding all milk and egg products because they are higher in saturated fat and can be hard to digest properly. I think what comes of my restrictions, too, is that I end up not eating things like pizza, which I love but is obviously bad. I'm still at the start of all of this so I can't say whether it's an effective diet for weight loss. I can say I feel better and have more energy already. The choices I've made in this diet come from doing a lot of research, so it's not arbitrary. I hope that's helpful. - Sophia -Karen62879To: herbal_remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - QuestionTue, 3 Oct 2006 18:12:04 EDT Has anyone tried the YOGI fasting tea for weight loss? I was told to drink this and eat a low cal diet and it would have be to lose weight in a good healthy way? Has anyone tried it and does anyone feel it could work? Just askin..Karen -- _ Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 A girl fall and hit her head several days ago. Now she is virtually blind. She has seen myriad doctors and received no answers. Does anyone have experience with this kind of neurological problem living in the Ashland, MA area? Carl Ploss Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 Hi Carl, it is most important to know if this blindness is due to cortical (inracranial) or outside of the cranium. Usual simple neuro' exam will tell it, CT +/- MRI will add more. If it is cortical - pls, come back to me ASAP - I have some TCM electroacupuncture that might solve the problem. Time table is essential!!!! Sagiv. , carl ploss <cploss wrote: > > A girl fall and hit her head several days ago. Now she is virtually blind. She has seen myriad doctors and received no answers. Does anyone have experience with this kind of neurological problem living in the Ashland, MA area? > > Carl Ploss > > > > Bored stiff? Loosen up... > Download and play hundreds of games for free on Games. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 That's a very good question! But they're actually 2 different things: chemicals in the blood stream vs. experience of scent. You described the pathway that is followed when we have a subjective experience of smelling an odor. At the same time, we're *inhaling* a gas (air) and exchanging oxygen, carbon dioxide, and lots of other chemicals thru the lungs and into (or out of) the blood. This would happen even to people who have brain damage with associated loss of sense of smell. Does that help? Susan On 9/19/07, kachinaherbs <kachinaherbs wrote: > > OK, so when we inhale the molecules from our favorite essential oil, > say Lavender, the molecules make their way through the olfactory > system - starting from the nasal cavity, then with the help of the > nasal conchae move to the olfactory epitheliam, a specialized > epithelial tissue on the roof of the nasal cavity. The receptor cells > (cilia) in the epitheliam transduce the scent molecules into > electrical signals? Then these electrical signals travel along the > olfactory nerve into the olfactory bulb? > If it's electrical signals, why does research show the the beneficial > constituents in the bloodstream? > I know this is a very simplistic analysis so please bear with me. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 Dear Samani, Sounds like there are at least some diet issues here, but I'd need to know the child's full diet - Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner = her usual diet. Also, where do you live? Has the child been put on any drugs recently? Etc. Etc. I'd need a lot more data in order to make any hard core suggestions here. Yours in Knowledge, Health and Freedom, Doc samani wrote: Doc Shillington we have child female 8 years old had memory and concentration problem and sometimes nervous please help the child what herbs and food or medicine can help with respect. samani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 Dear Sandra, Most likely your friend's daughter is eating meats loaded with hormones and steroids, and this is the first question I'd ask if they were talking directly to me. She needs to cut this out altogether if it's the case, and she should be on my Female Formula ! ! ! This Female Formula of mine has straightened out PMS, Menopause, Puberty, and so many other "Female" difficulties, I can't count them all. Butttttttttt, as long as she's doing the "bad" things to her body (the hormone laden meats, cheeses, dairy, etc.) it'll only be a band aid. You have to find the "cause" here. Hugs, Doc PS. Have her listen to that CD Lecture of mine. I cover this in great detail there. Sandra wrote: Dear Doc Shillington, Hello Dr. Shillington, my name is Sandra. My friend has an 18 yo daughter, she has had problems with her periods before. Having to take birth control to regulate her. She got off of it due to it making her not feel good. She is back to being the same way now, is there anything else that she could take to help regulate her? Thank you, Sandra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Childrens Motrin or Childrens Tylenol. Will bring the fever down and help her feel better. K On 1/9/08, christinamw17 <christinawyatt3 wrote: > > . > > > -- Kathleen Petrides Bead Hussy http://www.BeadHussy.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Jackie have you tried drinking a large glass of cold water before you go to bed? You are waking during the time the liver starts it work over night and it may just need a bit more water to do it more efficiently. Solar plexus breathing in the fresh air too before bed helps - and make sure the water is chemical free. See if this makes a difference - it wont cost you anything! Best, Jane - Hill8628 Sunday, August 17, 2008 8:26 PM Question I am looking for suggestions, research, or opinion as to what could be causing the following: I am post menopausal---no hot flashes for 5 years I do not have infection or ill--that I know of anyway. Occasionally I wake up between 1 am and 4 am because I am extremely hot and starting to sweat. I get up and make a trip to the bathroom and sometimes that is all I need to cool down and I can go back to sleep. Other times, it doesn't help at all and I just keep getting hotter and hotter so end up getting up. I realize this is during my elimination cycle of the circadian rhythm and I have been assuming that it is my body getting rid of toxins. But I don't know this for a fact as I haven't run across this anywhere in my reading. Also why so bad only occasionally. Any input would be appreciated. Jackie Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1615 - Release 8/16/2008 7:11 AM __________ Hit it out of the park with a new bat. Click now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 I am a heavy water drinker but have stopped drinking so much in the evening because of trips to the bathroom. I will start drinking a cold glass before bed and see if it helps. Thank you! I do the breathing in the morning but never through to do it at night. Will give that a try also! I love the price! Jackie - Jane MacRoss Sunday, August 17, 2008 6:48 AM Re: Question Jackie have you tried drinking a large glass of cold water before you go to bed? You are waking during the time the liver starts it work over night and it may just need a bit more water to do it more efficiently. Solar plexus breathing in the fresh air too before bed helps - and make sure the water is chemical free. See if this makes a difference - it wont cost you anything! Best, Jane - Hill8628 Sunday, August 17, 2008 8:26 PM Question I am looking for suggestions, research, or opinion as to what could be causing the following: I am post menopausal---no hot flashes for 5 years I do not have infection or ill--that I know of anyway. Occasionally I wake up between 1 am and 4 am because I am extremely hot and starting to sweat. I get up and make a trip to the bathroom and sometimes that is all I need to cool down and I can go back to sleep. Other times, it doesn't help at all and I just keep getting hotter and hotter so end up getting up. I realize this is during my elimination cycle of the circadian rhythm and I have been assuming that it is my body getting rid of toxins. But I don't know this for a fact as I haven't run across this anywhere in my reading. Also why so bad only occasionally. Any input would be appreciated. Jackie __________ Click to make millions by owning your own franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Its funny but i have had 2 patients complain of exactly the same thing today! Complaints like this usually come in threes! Glad the price suits - people often feel that unless it costs more it doesn't work! - Hill8628 Sunday, August 17, 2008 8:55 PM Re: Question I am a heavy water drinker but have stopped drinking so much in the evening because of trips to the bathroom. I will start drinking a cold glass before bed and see if it helps. Thank you! I do the breathing in the morning but never through to do it at night. Will give that a try also! I love the price! Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 "Doesn't work unless it costs more?" Not so true, Jane. You just get more features you never use. Oops! I was thinking merchandise not information. Then again, I am thankful that this is a free group, I've made friends and acquired knowledge, here! Kenneth T - Jane MacRoss Sunday, August 17, 2008 07:06 Re: Question Glad the price suits - people often feel that unless it costs more it doesn't work! I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users.It has removed 12938 spam emails to date.Paying users do not have this message in their emails.Try SPAMfighter for free now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Get a saliva test, or blood test (which is not as good), Your estrogen/progesterone/testosterone amounts and ratios can be out of balance. If this is inconvenient or too pricey, do some weight-bearing exercises four times per week and use a progesterone cream that will give 10 to 20 mg of progesterone for 25 days each month. This may take up to two months for you to see appreciable results.--- On Sun, 8/17/08, Hill8628 <Hill8628 wrote: Hill8628 <Hill8628 Question Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 6:26 AM I am looking for suggestions, research, or opinion as to what could be causing the following: I am post menopausal-- -no hot flashes for 5 years I do not have infection or ill--that I know of anyway. Occasionally I wake up between 1 am and 4 am because I am extremely hot and starting to sweat. I get up and make a trip to the bathroom and sometimes that is all I need to cool down and I can go back to sleep. Other times, it doesn't help at all and I just keep getting hotter and hotter so end up getting up. I realize this is during my elimination cycle of the circadian rhythm and I have been assuming that it is my body getting rid of toxins. But I don't know this for a fact as I haven't run across this anywhere in my reading. Also why so bad only occasionally. Any input would be appreciated. Jackie____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ___ Hit it out of the park with a new bat. Click now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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