Guest guest Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 There is info in the hypnobirthing book, Having a Bbay Naturallly by Peggy O'Meara and a few others that I can look up for you if you'd like the names. My baby isn't due until Nov. 14, so I can't tell you of its effectiveness yet, but I plan on starting 4-6 weeks before the due date -- I guess that is soon, LOL! But you have a ways to go before you have to worry about the massage! :-) Debbie deb All Body Butters, 20% off this month http://www.debrasrhapsody.com/rhapsody/products.php/category=forthebody - " nsorcel " <jen Sunday, September 19, 2004 9:57 PM OT and maybe TMI: Perineal Massage > Can anyone give me some resources for this? When ought I to start? > What kind of lube should I use, how often, how long, techniques - any > info is welcome. > > Does it really help avoid episiotmy? > > And since this might be Too Much Info for some list members, private > replies are fine. > > Thanks! > > JenB > > > > > Step By Step Instructions On Making Rose Petal Preserves: http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.html > > To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following link: /join > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 I'd suggest Rose Otto or Maroc 1 drop to 1ml carrier start massaging it in gently once a day for about a week before baby's due. Happy days Ann - Scotland Can anyone give me some resources for this? When ought I to start? What kind of lube should I use, how often, how long, techniques - any info is welcome. Does it really help avoid episiotmy? And since this might be Too Much Info for some list members, private replies are fine. Thanks! JenB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 The thrust of informing women of perineal massage benefits is to help a laboring mother avoid an episiotomy during the pushing stage of birth. There are absolutely no 'pros' to having an episiotomy and tons of evidence for the negatives of having an episitiomy. To begin with every reason a birthcare provider can give you for why you should have a routine episiotomy is " absurd on their face " to quote Henci Goer of The Thinking Women's Guide To A Better Birth. For my part I have worked with so many second time moms that I can be very confident in saying I have yet to meet a woman who welcomed an episiotomy and who truly thought it 'saved' her or the baby in labor. Perineal massage has the benefit of stretching the perineum before labor in order to increase its elasticity. The main ingredient to the massage being to use a beneficial oil such as olive oil into the perineum and the lowest part of the vaginal wall. Please remember to wash your hands and trim your fingernails!! LOL If you can picture it you want to massage the skin in a U motion, stretching GENTLY. You will feel a slight burning sensation. This is not a no pain, no gain....please...it is a no pain no pain type of exercise. More importantly you should realize that many birthcare providers feel that as long as the perineum is supported doing the pushing stage that a perineal massage and stretching during second stage is not necessary. In a nutshell, from personal doula experience, perineal massage is beneficial in helping the mother acclimate to what she will feel in second stage as well as benefitting the muscle for postpartum care (it stretches incredibly as baby passes through). Hand in hand with good perineal support during the pushing stage is an excellent method for avoiding episiotomies and minimizing any tear that you might incur. It is important to say might. I've had many more students experience 'skid marks' from baby coming through than I've had students experience tears. And of those that experienced tears they were minimal - the largest requiring 3 stitches. Those that had episiotomies suffered from the range of yet another 'thing' to take care of during postpartum (how are you supposed to keep that site dry???) to malodor and pain from mild infections at the stitches to pain during intercourse and urinating....yes, that's right...that's going to be a lifetime problem. Hope this helps. Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 Thanks for posting this Dale--wish I'd known this before my first one, the tear took 50+ stitches to close and having that done really interfered with bonding after her birth--I couldn't participate in anything with two doctors playing jigsaw puzzle...no more, might be TMI. Serra Dale Bernucca wrote: > The thrust of informing women of perineal massage benefits is to help a laboring mother avoid an episiotomy during the pushing stage of birth. There are absolutely no 'pros' to having an episiotomy and tons of evidence for the negatives of having an episitiomy. To begin with every reason a birthcare prov idercangiveyouforwhyyoushouldhavearoutineepisiotomyisabsurdontheirfacetoquoteHen\ ciGoerofTheThinkingWomen'sGuideToABetterBirth. > > For my part I have worked with so many second time moms that I can be very confident in saying I have yet to meet a woman who welcomed an episiotomy and who truly thought it 'saved' her or the baby in labor. > -- serraangel @ chartermi.net for latest co-op info! eBay Seller ID jadenhaize Check out the opening of my eBay store!! Nice stuff and great prices! http://stores.ebay.com/SerrasSecretSurplus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 Great info Dale! *Smile* Chris (list mom) Its The Great Pumpkin Progressive Auction! http://tinyurl.com/4gywn http://www.alittleolfactory.com Dale Bernucca [dbernucca] The thrust of informing women of perineal massage benefits is to help a laboring mother avoid an episiotomy during the pushing stage of birth. There are absolutely no 'pros' to having an episiotomy and tons of evidence for the negatives of having an episitiomy. To begin with every reason a birthcare provider can give you for why you should have a routine episiotomy is " absurd on their face " to quote Henci Goer of The Thinking Women's Guide To A Better Birth. For my part I have worked with so many second time moms that I can be very confident in saying I have yet to meet a woman who welcomed an episiotomy and who truly thought it 'saved' her or the baby in labor. Perineal massage has the benefit of stretching the perineum before labor in order to increase its elasticity. The main ingredient to the massage being to use a beneficial oil such as olive oil into the perineum and the lowest part of the vaginal wall. Please remember to wash your hands and trim your fingernails!! LOL If you can picture it you want to massage the skin in a U motion, stretching GENTLY. You will feel a slight burning sensation. This is not a no pain, no gain....please...it is a no pain no pain type of exercise. More importantly you should realize that many birthcare providers feel that as long as the perineum is supported doing the pushing stage that a perineal massage and stretching during second stage is not necessary. In a nutshell, from personal doula experience, perineal massage is beneficial in helping the mother acclimate to what she will feel in second stage as well as benefitting the muscle for postpartum care (it stretches incredibly as baby passes through). Hand in hand with good perineal support during the pushing stage is an excellent method for avoiding episiotomies and minimizing any tear that you might incur. It is important to say might. I've had many more students experience 'skid marks' from baby coming through than I've had students experience tears. And of those that experienced tears they were minimal - the largest requiring 3 stitches. Those that had episiotomies suffered from the range of yet another 'thing' to take care of during postpartum (how are you supposed to keep that site dry???) to malodor and pain from mild infections at the stitches to pain during intercourse and urinating....yes, that's right...that's going to be a lifetime problem. Hope this helps. Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 , " Christine Ziegler " <chrisziggy@e...> wrote: > Great info Dale! > > *Smile* > Chris (list mom) Yes! That was great Dale, and thank you for sharing. BTW, I'm just getting ready to start the Henci Gocer Book. Just wrapping up with Ina May first. Getting this information is important to me, because giving birth in a military hospital overseas means I can't really choose a midwife or DR that s to my birthing and childcare philosophies - I kinda get what am stuck with. There are no doulas available here, or a La Leche League, API, ect. I feel that means I need to be even more prepared, and be able to articulate what my feelings and needs are. If I were back in the states, I would seriously be considering a homebirth. But here, that's out of the question. Heck, I can't even stay home until I begin to labour, but have to go up to Seoul and stay there alone without DH at 36 weeks. Grr.... JenB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 Yowzah!! You mean they did an episiotomy and that led to the tear??? You poor thing. Dale - Serra Thanks for posting this Dale--wish I'd known this before my first one, the tear took 50+ stitches to close and having that done really interfered with bonding after her birth--I couldn't participate in anything with two doctors playing jigsaw puzzle...no more, might be TMI. Serra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 Worse--the doctor tried to avoid the cut but pushed me to push instead of letting the canal relax enough to manage that. He mentioned nothing about perineal massage either. I ripped in delivery because I didn't know how to prepare for the event as he wanted. No episiotomy would have been great, but I needed more info than he gave me to be ready. Serra Dale Bernucca wrote: > Yowzah!! You mean they did an episiotomy and that led to the tear??? > > You poor thing. > > Dale > - > Serra > > Thanks for posting this Dale--wish I'd known this before my first one, the tear took 50+ stitches to close and having that done really interfered with bonding after her birth--I couldn't participate in anything with two doctors playing jigsaw puzzle...no more, might be TMI. > Serra > -- serraangel @ chartermi.net for latest co-op info! eBay Seller ID jadenhaize Check out the opening of my eBay store!! Nice stuff and great prices! http://stores.ebay.com/SerrasSecretSurplus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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