Very Interesting Liquid Soap Paste Making Experience

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I know there are some liquid soap makers here who will appreciate this

tale ...

 

Last night I was making liquid soap paste. Nothing interesting or

unusual there. This was a 100% olive batch - which I have done many

times. I used a combination of virgin olive, extra virgin olive and some

water extracted pomace.

 

I combined my KOH and distilled water outside in the yard, as usual, and

left it to cool for an hour or so and then added it to my oil. It was

getting a bit late so I decided that I was going to let the oil and lye

sit over night to get a quick trace the next morning and cook it then,

so I gave it a quick stir with the spoon and left it alone. About an

hour or so later, before I went to bed I looked in on it, with the

intention of giving it another quick spoon stir (no stick blending since

I would deal with that in the morning - I find that one can usually do

that with liquid soap). Well to my utter amazement the soap was totally

at a thick trace and in gel stage. The pot was very hot and there was a

very thin layer of water in the bottom, so I stirred like crazy with my

spoon for about 5 minutes (way too thick to use the stick blender) until

all the water was blended into the gel, and then I covered it and went

to bed. This morning I had perfect soap paste for diluting. It was

completely saponified, no sting to it, the pH was right on, it is

diluting so nicely, everything, as if I had cooked it for hours! This is

the wackiest thing. In all the hundreds of lbs of liquid soap paste I

have made it never happened this way before. If I could get it to work

this way all the time that would be awesome ! *lol*

 

Just HAD to share that!

 

*Smile*

Chris (list mom)

http://www.alittleolfactory.com

 

 

 

 

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Chris,

This is a beautiful thing! Do you always use the pomace? I know

apparently that speeds things up and wonder if that is the culprit.

I've been thinking of making some (need to!!) liquid soap, but it is

just so time consuming. Your post gives me hope, but I know I won't be

as lucky! Thanks for sharing, though, and revel in your fortune.

Hopefully you made a HUGE batch!! ; - )

 

Eva

 

, " Christine Ziegler "

<chrisziggy@e...> wrote:

> I know there are some liquid soap makers here who will appreciate this

> tale ...

>

> Last night I was making liquid soap paste. Nothing interesting or

> unusual there. This was a 100% olive batch - which I have done many

> times. I used a combination of virgin olive, extra virgin olive and some

> water extracted pomace.

>

> I combined my KOH and distilled water outside in the yard, as usual, and

> left it to cool for an hour or so and then added it to my oil. It was

> getting a bit late so I decided that I was going to let the oil and lye

> sit over night to get a quick trace the next morning and cook it then,

> so I gave it a quick stir with the spoon and left it alone. About an

> hour or so later, before I went to bed I looked in on it, with the

> intention of giving it another quick spoon stir (no stick blending since

> I would deal with that in the morning - I find that one can usually do

> that with liquid soap). Well to my utter amazement the soap was totally

> at a thick trace and in gel stage. The pot was very hot and there was a

> very thin layer of water in the bottom, so I stirred like crazy with my

> spoon for about 5 minutes (way too thick to use the stick blender) until

> all the water was blended into the gel, and then I covered it and went

> to bed. This morning I had perfect soap paste for diluting. It was

> completely saponified, no sting to it, the pH was right on, it is

> diluting so nicely, everything, as if I had cooked it for hours! This is

> the wackiest thing. In all the hundreds of lbs of liquid soap paste I

> have made it never happened this way before. If I could get it to work

> this way all the time that would be awesome ! *lol*

>

> Just HAD to share that!

>

> *Smile*

> Chris (list mom)

> http://www.alittleolfactory.com

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Glad you had a very good result Chris!! I on the other hand had a bad one,

again. For the last time I think too. Started Wed. making liquid soap. It

never did get to the " so thick you can't stir it " stage...even after 5 hours

cooking...didn't get to that amber color either...coarse I used palm, shea,

and cocoa butter (was wanting that cloudy white look anyway)besides the

olive coconut and castor. Left it alone after about 5 pm went out the next

morning to check and it was paste. Started the dilution process...it went

back to paste, only twice as much...had a show to finish getting ready for,

so it is still in the pot and waiting for me to double the amount of water

and add to the batch, and get it hot, and turn off, and see what

happens...it may end up in my laundry<G>! On top of that, back was hurting

Friday night when went to bed. Woke up at 4 am Sat. in PAIN!!! So, didn't

do the show after all Feeling better today though. Didn't have any

oregano, so put a few drops of Rosemary in about a tsp. of straight emu oil,

and rubbed it on the sore spot (to the left of spine, near the back of the

pevic bone), and it and the heating pad seemed to help. Back to the soap,

may farm out my liquid soap making to someone who has better luck with it

than I do. This was about my 5th or 6th batch and have yet to have one turn

out like it was suppose to the 1st time. Have read the book several times

over too!!!!

Anita in TX

[Guest guest]

> Chris,

> This is a beautiful thing!

 

 

You bet your bippy it is *lol*

 

> Do you always use the pomace?

 

For the all olive base, yes, and as far as I can tell everything I did

was exactly the same!

 

> I know apparently that speeds things up and wonder if that is the

culprit.

 

It sure does speed things up in regular CP soap making, and if I didn't

always use it I'd have thought it was why this batch of liquid soap did

what it did, but I'm pretty sure I used the same amount I always do ...

 

 

> I've been thinking of making some (need to!!) liquid soap, but it is

> just so time consuming. Your post gives me hope, but I know I won't

be as lucky!

 

*lol*, Keep this in mind when making liquid soap (not referring to my

unusual experience today) .. let the chemicals do as much for you as

possible. Don't slave over it. Usually I'll mix the oil and lye water

and stir it a bit and go away and stir it some when I come back and then

go away. I do that several times and let the chemicals do their thing.

Yes, it is time consuming in the sense that it takes a while, but it

isn't in the sense that you don't have to stand there and dote over it.

:-D

 

> Thanks for sharing, though, and revel in your fortune.

> Hopefully you made a HUGE batch!! ; - )

 

Not huge enough, only 15 lbs ... but if I can get a batch to do that

again I'll surely write a book *lol*

 

> Eva

 

*Smile*

Chris (list mom)

http://www.alittleolfactory.com

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Anita,

 

I hope you're feeling better now! Sorry to hear that you missed your

show due to back pain

 

I noticed you said that you've read " the book " several times and not had

the liquid soap come out well yet, after a half dozen batches. Are you

using Failor's book? It makes a good guideline, and it is a very

attractive book, but to be honest I don't think it is the end all

" bible " for making liquid soap. I do feel that another few books need to

be written on the subject

 

So, which method of hers are you using? Let us know and I'll try to help

you figure out where the problem is coming from, and I'll also be glad

to share my technique too

 

*Smile*

Chris (list mom)

http://www.alittleolfactory.com

 

 

Anita Reeves [anita-r]

 

Glad you had a very good result Chris!! I on the other hand had a bad

one,

again. For the last time I think too. Started Wed. making liquid soap.

It

never did get to the " so thick you can't stir it " stage...even after 5

hours

cooking...didn't get to that amber color either...coarse I used palm,

shea,

and cocoa butter (was wanting that cloudy white look anyway)besides the

olive coconut and castor. Left it alone after about 5 pm went out the

next

morning to check and it was paste. Started the dilution process...it

went

back to paste, only twice as much...had a show to finish getting ready

for,

so it is still in the pot and waiting for me to double the amount of

water

and add to the batch, and get it hot, and turn off, and see what

happens...it may end up in my laundry<G>! On top of that, back was

hurting

Friday night when went to bed. Woke up at 4 am Sat. in PAIN!!! So,

didn't

do the show after all Feeling better today though. Didn't have any

oregano, so put a few drops of Rosemary in about a tsp. of straight emu

oil,

and rubbed it on the sore spot (to the left of spine, near the back of

the

pevic bone), and it and the heating pad seemed to help. Back to the

soap,

may farm out my liquid soap making to someone who has better luck with

it

than I do. This was about my 5th or 6th batch and have yet to have one

turn

out like it was suppose to the 1st time. Have read the book several

times

over too!!!!

Anita in TX

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yes it was the Failor book. I think I know what the problem is...used too

much Palm Oil. With the Stearic acid it made for a thick gel type. I've

let the paste alone, and now am going to try doubling my water( ie twice the

amount of water to paste), and see what happens. Will keep you and others

informed, even if it means " this is not the recipe to use " type information.

As for what method, just the simple one. lye and water added to oils when

oils melted ( I noticed you said that you let yours cool a little, does this

help?), stir til thick, cook til amber, cut up and dilute with 1 lb 6oz.

water/lb. of paste. I had 3 lb. 9 oz. of paste to start with. Like I said,

it made more paste, even simmering on very low, instead of diluting. What I

" think " I will do is, measure about double the water, then get it to

simmering, then turn it off. What do you think? Oh, and I hadn't done the

ph balancing yet, with citric acid or borax...for the first time ever I

bought some ph test strips( not that they are very accurate), and it tested

to 7, which is where I was wanting it. Any lower, and it might seperate.

Yes, please help or share your technique.

Anita

>>

> So, which method of hers are you using? Let us know and I'll try to help

> you figure out where the problem is coming from, and I'll also be glad

> to share my technique too

>