OT: Trees and Such

[Guest guest]

Hi Renee,

 

> Ok, thanks. Was just wondering, because you didn't elaborate on the tree

> issue--just said they should be logged. I remember when they would go in and

> cut every tree in site--and that was still my vision--as that is what I see

> every day here due to housing development. They cut these big old live oaks

> down, build a house, and then plant some ash tree because it grows fast. But

> there are a few good developers that are actually trying to work around the

> old trees, keeping as many as possible, and laying out sub-divisions in an

> environmentally ethical manner as possible. They are still few and far

> between, but it's a start anyway.

 

I've not lived in the USA in a few years .. but I visit often and have

always been impressed by that Green Corridor extending from South to

North along Highways 75 and 85 .. and the entire Southeast in general.

 

Having lived and worked in more countries than I have visited US States

I can say that I have NEVER EVER been in a single country .. save some

in Africa that have fairly useless timber .. that is as green as the US.

 

And I have written before that I can understand why Europeans .. and in

particular folks from the UK .. are so concerned about Woodman, Woodman

Spare That Tree .. because they didn't do it .. and they are now sorry

for what their ancestors did to the land. Sometimes I even believe that

the attitude of some Europeans toward capital punishment might be for

similar reasons .. the USA is not old enough to have experienced times

of barbarism .. if we were we would have because it was a norm then.

Even when the American Colonists were fighting for Independence from

England there were punishments in effect in England that folks would

rather not remember or talk about today .. death was the best part of

such punishments.

 

When the Europeans first saw America they were impressed by the massive

forests .. particularly since they needed these tall trees to make the

masts of their great sailing ships .. as well as the timber for the rest

of the ships.

 

Regardless of what some folks claim .. America has not destroyed its

forests .. for sure there are fewer trees now than when the Europeans

first saw America .. but there are also a couple of hundred million plus

more folks living in the USA today.

 

I am sure we will find state to state, county to county and city to city

rules on removal of trees for housing developments. I am familiar with

developments in Tennessee, Kentucky and Georgia .. I've had homes in the

three states and my ex-wife and my son both have homes in what were new

developments when they bought in the mid 1980s .. outside Atlanta, GA.

There, the developers can cut only those trees necessary to build the

home and a yard .. and roads to get into the development. All homes are

in little hollowed out places surrounded by trees.

 

But what we have to remember is that mankind uses natural resources and

if it comes down to one having to give way for the other we know which

will give way .. and I can think of no viable solution for this. If we

are in favor of finding ways to improve folk's health and extend their

natural life span .. then we are also in favor of using more natural

resources to supply the larger populations with basic needs.

 

Those who disregard this and want to have it both ways are not living in

a world of reality .. its not different than claiming we want to be safe

as individuals and as a Nation .. but we don't believe in war under any

circumstances .. and we want to be safe from criminals on the streets

but we don't want the death penalty for the sociopaths .. nor do we want

increased taxes to build more prisons and hire more guards.

 

I realize that there are lines of extreme thought in the world .. those

of the extreme right and those of the extreme left .. and I have little

regard for either of them. Its those logical folks in the middle that

we hope will solve our future problems. :-)

 

> samala

> Renee

>

> " tossed down to live among angels, who have forgotten what they are, I

> strive to remember " RLV 1998

 

Y'all keep smiling. Butch http://www.AV-AT.com

[Guest guest]

I read the email that saied something about cutting down trees. I just

figured they have not really seen what happens. I am from the Pacific NW, and

have watched our old redwood fall, in fact my husband fell some of them. That

was back when a dollar sign was all there was working there. The trees were so

large that sometimes they spent a whole day or more making a bed for the

tree. If they did not make a landing ffor the tree it might break apart. My

Uncle fell redwoods when they used a hand saw. In fact he had a trophy which

read

that he was the champion hand bucker on the Pacific Coast. That was in Point

Arena Ca. You can see how long ago that was. On the other hand just look

at how fast they went. Today it is sad to remember. At the time it was

making a living. I suppose everthing natural could go the same way. We take

these

things for granted without a thought to what is eventually going to happen.

Try driving up highway 101 take a look at what used to be. Another thing

that happened was the silt got down in the streams and we started losing salmon

adult and baby salmon. At the time I do not remember anyone out here being

very concerned about these things. I was more concerned that the timber was

getting scarce. Not even thinking that we were losing a precious piece of

history. I would guess that the only timber left would be what is termed as

Pecker Poles. I have seen the trucks and some of the " trees " were 8 inches

across, and it looked like there were 25 or more of them on the load. Just

think

how everything is connected. This realization came with time and age but in

a lot of ways it was too late. We should have been figuring out a way to

make a living without chopping down something that really was not going to be

around long. I do remember different guys getting out of the woods, and we

heard for years the timber supply was going and would be gone. I know we did

not take it serious they had always been saying that the timber was going.

 

Time have changed, now I wonder how long the salmon will last. The farmed

salmon just does not set well with me. I hate to think of those beautiful fish

kept overcrouded bumping into each other behind fencing. Their home in the

ocean has turned into a nightmare. At first once again, when I went into

Costco and saw Salmon for 4.95 or so a pound we ate salmon always at least once

a

week. At the time I had a friend who would get sick, just not feel ok

whenever she ate it. Thank heavens I began to wonder why, and today I would

not

touch farmed salmon or any other farmed fish. Humans really do not have much

regard for the quality of life of an animal. I also read in the paper that

other people have a problem with the farmed fish. If I have to pay 15.00 a

pound for Salmon, I will just eat less.

 

I guess it would be the same with oil. I keep hearing it is going to go.

With my history of thinking things will never run out, I have a tendency to at

first hand think, oh that is an excuse to increase the price. Maybe not the

past has certainly told us nothing lasts forever. Maybe we should be looking

at some of the Tesala work and someone should be working on Cold Fushion.(

I said that like maybe I know what I am talking about) I know nothing about

cold fusihion, but I heard it on George Noorey talk show, surely someone today

could look into it. At the time they said that a car would run on I think

it was 2 gal of water a year. Just an idea. Things do not last forever, why

not make provisions before it is gone.

This talk about the trees got me remembering, I probably have not remembered

these things for decades because life went on in another direction, I am

glad I have the opportunity to remember those times of the Redwoods, there is a

less on this situation, and I do not know any solution, but there should be

people who solve problems like this. Sharon