Viruses ** Origanum

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Hi Laura,

 

> Butch,

> I hear what you are saying (and I know I have heard you say it

> before ; ), but I got the impression from your and Christa's

> replies that eo's were *not* effective against virus'.

 

I expect mebbe we were being cautious enough to NOT say it can KILL a

virus .. I didn't mean to say it would not be effective. Catnip oil

will not KILL mosquitos .. but it is effective against them. Tear gas

will not kill rioters .. but it can make them go away. ;-)

 

>>>>We can't kill a virus but we can make it wanna go into retrograde

>>>>by doing all we can to increase our weakened immune system.

>

> So, if I am understanding you correctly, you believe that they

> may not kill a virus, but slow it down?

 

We can't kill something that is not alive .. viruses are not complete

critters .. they lack the RNA structure to survive and replicate on

their own .. they must combine with the RNA of living cells .. so its

not only safe but technically correct to say that we can't kill them.

But they are also capable of replicating at an alarming rate and it is

safe to say that we can stop that replication. The virus itself can

only mutate so many times .. each one of the dudes has a relatively

short shelf life .. note I avoid the word " life " .

 

Its hard to find information on viruses today because all searches refer

us to PC problems. But here is one useful definition:

 

" A biological virus infects a (prokaryotic or eukaryotic) cell by

injecting its own DNA into the cell. The injected DNA " hijacks " the

infected cell's replication mechanism, and results in replication of the

viral DNA. After many viral copies are created, the cell wall lyses

(dissolves) and the new virus copies emerge and infect yet other cells. "

 

So .. the trick is to stop the viral invader from collapsing the human

cell and replicating.

 

Some more information here ..

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/alllife/virus.html

 

> I'm just a bit confused and trying to understand.

 

This is a science unto itself .. and one where the scientists spend a

lot of time scratching their heads. Even classifying them is tough as

the only distinguishing features are shape .. and that requires very

sophisticated electron microscope. Examples of shape identification is

the Ebola virus .. its called the Shepherd's Crook because its looks

like the old staffs traditionally used by shepherds.

 

Antiviral therapy is tough .. its not like finding a way to create a

simple vaccine to kill LIVE bacteria .. the two basic requirements for

antiviral therapy run hand in hand with what we are talking about here:

 

1. That the process targeted be essential for virus replication.

2. That the therapeutic agent is active against the virus while having

" acceptable toxicity " to the host organism.

 

So .. again we are talking about stopping replication and not killing

the host of the virus. The latter point is crucial because we can stop

the replication of viruses by killing the host .. and unfortunately, a

few cases of killing folks who had Ebola have been reported from some

villages in Africa. It worked .. and with Ebola the death rate is 80%

within 10 days anyway and the manner of death is horrible. But we in

the West do things differently than some other folks.

 

If anyone wants to do a lot of reading .. here is one source ..

http://www.tulane.edu/~dmsander/Big_Virology/BVHomePage.html

 

> When I took an at course, we were taught that certain oils were

> antiviral. Why? Because they were made up of alcohols of terpenes

> which were antiviral. And how did these affect a virus in the

> body? Well, I guess we didn't get that far.

 

This is taught by folks who are either too lazy to do their own research

or are sloppy and put out unreferenced rumors .. and its a norm in the

cottage industry of Aromatherapy. Though I 'm qualified as a so-called

AT Practitioner I DO NOT want to be known as one because I strongly

dislike the way it is practiced. Essential oils smell great and they

work .. but the practice of AT in general stinks!

 

Martin has been saying for years that teachers are putting out incorrect

information .. and he is right. They are doing no favors for AT .. in

fact, its such misinformation that harms efforts to legitimize AT. IF

one wants to start an AT course they can just do it .. like that sorry,

idiotic, phony criminal Nicole .. from Canada. Many of you remember

her. She has since faded away but it was not before she took a lotta

young folks for a ride. She knew as much about AT as I do brain surgery

and she falsely called herself a Naturopathic Doctor till we tracked

down the alleged source of her training and found out it did not exist.

 

> I was taught that if you have a viral infection, choose oils

> that are antiviral to help combat that infection.

 

Makes sense .. huh? ;-) But what antiviral oils are proven to be so?

And .. what is antiviral? They are taking the easy way out. All AT

teachers are not stupid .. but some are lazy. Though I often argue with

Martin because he is sometimes a bit too cautious .. for sure he does

not put out unsubstantiated information .. his course can be viewed at

http://www.av-at.com/coursedetails.html

 

> Leading me to believe that these oils were used specifically to kill,

> stop, slow down, or disable a virus.

 

IF you stick to the last two points above you are on track. Stopping or

killing a virus is a bit extreme .. slowing it down and disabling it is

possible .. and Oregano does that for many of them. But there are over

1,600 viruses identified now and they mutate to create other identities

if they are allowed to proceed beyond 3 or so generations.

 

Another bit of info I found follows:

 

" Other troubling areas of current taxonomy of viruses include the

concept that viruses are abstract entities. How comforting will it be

to patients with serious diarrhea caused by Norwalk virus to learn that

their illness is caused by an abstract entity? Viruses cause disease

just as parasites and bacteria cause disease, and we do not consider

them abstract. Because parasites or bacteria are different from viruses

in composition, life cycle, and the like does not make a virus an

abstract entity. " UNQUOTE

 

Antibiotics are effective against a wide range of bacterial critters ..

and Oregano is too. I can fill a hard drive with information on the

magnificent abilities of Oregano to totally destroy a WIDE RANGE of

bacterial critters .. I used to put out such information .. it was then

called my " Oregano Files " .. but I don't do that now because it became a

full time job .. plus when I retire I am thinking of writing a book on

the Origanums. I will send a couple to the list in a few minutes.

 

But .. there is absolutely no proof that ANY essential oil or vaccine or

medicine KILLS viruses .. there are vaccines to prevent some viruses and

even they are controversial .. in most cases they help relieve symptoms

and its really symptoms that are the problem if we are not dealing with

a virus than can cause death - right?

 

As for some flu vaccines .. I found the following:

 

" Amantadine and rimantadine are thought to interfere with influenza A

virus M2 protein, a membrane ion channel protein, and inhibit virus

uncoating, which inhibits virus replication, resulting in decreased

viral shedding. "

 

So .. we are again dealing with stopping replication .. not killing!

 

But there are side effects to the known anti-viral drugs ..

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/antiviral/sideeffects.htm

 

> I personally know they have worked for me. I just haven't

> questioned why.

 

If by " they " you mean some EO .. and particular if you mean Oregano .. I

agree that they seem to work for me too. But odds are that the viruses

we are controlling are merely going into retrograde .. they have stopped

replicating .. and they are lying dormant in our bods waiting for the

next time it looks good for them to come back.

 

> Thanks for helping clarify!

 

My pleasure.

 

> I have learned things from you that I know I would never

> find in a book.........

 

That might be cause I am not selling books. ;-) But .. I do believe

with all my heart and intellect that the use of Oregano is effective in

stopping the replication of many viruses .. and in helping the immune

system to become stronger so it can do the same job. And I'm ABSOLUTELY

certain that Oregano can kick a laundry list of Big Bad Bug Butts when

we are dealing with bacterial critters .. there is too much scientific

support for this statement .. not opinion .. not psudo-science .. but

well conducted, replicated, peer reviewed and published data.

 

> Laura

 

Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com