Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Hi Margaret, Welcome back .. we missed you. Congratulations on the new house/home and wishing you all many years of peaceful living therein. :-) > Hi Marge, Obviously not Marge here .. but I will put in my 4 Lira. ;-) >>to the best of my knowledge there is no safe and effective 'natural' >>preservative. >> >>if there were... the corporate giants would love it... think of the >>advertising benefits... > > So what do you know of the preservative system that Burts Bee's is currently > using and touting as natural? I think it is called biovert and or miovert. > Sounds promising to me... > > Margaret Those who speak French or German can find more on this .. most of the data listed regarding Biovert in those languages .. but the following makes it clear that it is no more a preservative than are essential oils and it can't be listed as a preservative in the USA. Its called a Non Preservative Protection System. The INCI designation for this product is Glucose & Glucose Oxidase & Lactoperoxidase .. a mouthful fer'shur. But that does not stop slick marketers who know how to dance around the facts. While we watch them singing their humma-humma songs and dancing their schuffle-schuffle dance we pay no attention to their hands and if we misinterpret the word " inhibiting " we might even believe they have a natural preservative. ;-P Many, many, many things inhibit the growth of microbial critters .. but they too ain't preservatives. http://www.archpersonalcare.com/ProductDocumentation/Technical%20Data%20Sheet/Bi\ overt%20FAQ%20v%201.1.pdf Might need to do some highlighting and pasting on this one. For those who don't wanna bother doing that .. the above is a FAQ on this product .. and its clearly stated that though though use of the product in the USA and Europe is NOT prohibited .. it CAN NOT be listed as a preservative .. cause .. it AIN'T a preservative. It has not been safety tested on live critters .. only in vitro testing. And there are some " potential " .. " hypothetical " .. hard to get a finger on it .. " possible " and " negligible " (says they) hazards. Basically .. its gar-an-teed to not rust, bust or collect dust and under the right conditions, when Gawd's in His Heaven and all's right with the World it MIGHT even help to slow down critter growth to " some " degree. Basically .. I read it as a new way to make money and it appears to be doing just that. Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 Hey Butch, >Hi Margaret, > >Welcome back .. we missed you. Congratulations on the new house/home >and wishing you all many years of peaceful living therein. :-) Thank you very much! It's nice to know that a few folks on my favorite list noticed me gone and missed me > > Hi Marge, > >Obviously not Marge here .. but I will put in my 4 Lira. ;-) Thanks for taking the time to put it in, I alway appreciate what you have to offer. > > So what do you know of the preservative system that Burts Bee's is >currently > > using and touting as natural? I think it is called biovert and or >miovert. > > Sounds promising to me... > > > > Margaret > >Those who speak French or German can find more on this .. most of the >data listed regarding Biovert in those languages .. but the following >makes it clear that it is no more a preservative than are essential oils >and it can't be listed as a preservative in the USA. Its called a Non >Preservative Protection System. The INCI designation for this product >is Glucose & Glucose Oxidase & Lactoperoxidase .. a mouthful fer'shur. > >But that does not stop slick marketers who know how to dance around the >facts. While we watch them singing their humma-humma songs and dancing >their schuffle-schuffle dance we pay no attention to their hands and if >we misinterpret the word " inhibiting " we might even believe they have a >natural preservative. ;-P Many, many, many things inhibit the growth >of microbial critters .. but they too ain't preservatives. > >http://www.archpersonalcare.com/ProductDocumentation/Technical%20Data%20Sheet/B\ iovert%20FAQ%20v%201.1.pdf > >Might need to do some highlighting and pasting on this one. > >For those who don't wanna bother doing that .. the above is a FAQ on >this product .. and its clearly stated that though though use of the >product in the USA and Europe is NOT prohibited .. it CAN NOT be listed >as a preservative .. cause .. it AIN'T a preservative. > >It has not been safety tested on live critters .. only in vitro testing. >And there are some " potential " .. " hypothetical " .. hard to get a finger >on it .. " possible " and " negligible " (says they) hazards. > >Basically .. its gar-an-teed to not rust, bust or collect dust and under >the right conditions, when Gawd's in His Heaven and all's right with the >World it MIGHT even help to slow down critter growth to " some " degree. > >Basically .. I read it as a new way to make money and it appears to be >doing just that. I was definately interested in it myself. I hadn't spent the money yet, but was looking into it. It sounds logical and like it works to kill the microbes by destroying the cell wall. However, there is the ever present " not a preservative " but a protection system. This type of stuff makes it very difficult for a person like me who would like to keep her products as natural as possible and wants to stay away from synthetic potentially harmful preservatives. I know I know, bad buggies in skin care is a lot worse. I currently use potassium sorbate (which is not naturally produced much anymore, but a synthetic food safe version) and keep my lotions and such to a lower ph, as well as using containers that need a treatment pump, thus no finger dipping. Well, maybe someday someone will come up with that natural preservative that is safe and effective but I won't hold my breath. > >Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com I'm smilin alright. And thanks again Butch for sharing the link and all. Margaret http://www.naturalindulgences.com _______________ Watch the online reality show Mixed Messages with a friend and enter to win a trip to NY http://www.msnmessenger-download.click-url.com/go/onm00200497ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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