Guest guest Posted May 29, 2004 Report Share Posted May 29, 2004 > >that is an inaccurate, broad generalization made by someone who knows just > >enough to be dangerous. Marge, this was rather rude to include in the post. We all know there are many 'nicknames' to things. How many people on the west coast know of 'chiggers', not many. Marge, some of your claims for hydrosols and eo's could also be considered a broad generalization, just enough to be dangerous. " As to what causes and can cure hot spots without detailed veterinary testing is only guessing. " And by the way, that comes via my vet who graduated top of his class at UCDavis(known to be the best in California) and has been practicing over 20 years and keeps up to date by continued education. The 4 year vet has nothing on him in the education department. So next time do not be so quick to 'slag' her. I notice if you do not sell a certain persons book or carry that product you always find something wrong with it and highly recommend the one you sell. Not verbatim from a real vet school book, laymen's terms: Hot Spots or Acute Moist Pyoderma " Hot spots " are also known as " acute moist pyoderma " . What that means is that they are rapidly appearing, oozing, skin infections. A hot spot starts because something irritates the dog's skin. The body's response is to either itch or create an inflammatory response at the site. In cases of itching, the dog then rubs, licks or chews the site and adds to the problem. These sores can develop into severe problems in an hour or two at times. The most common irritants are fleas and allergies. These cause the itching that leads to the skin infection. There are many other possible sources of irritation. Tick bites, besetting, burrs, mats, mosquitos, summer heat, diet and other problems all contribute to the initial irritation that can develop into a hot spot. Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2004 Report Share Posted May 29, 2004 Not Marge, but I'm a Registered Veterinary Technician, and I'd like to chime in here. > Marge, I dont want to get into a pissing match with you, but people who > show and raise dogs cant be wrong. Yes INDEED, people who raise and show dogs can be wrong too. Not sure what makes that profession infallible. >My information originally came from > Barbara Woodhouse, who was a very well known handler and dog expert. Since > then, Ive known many breeders who confirm it, and vets that Ive personally > dealt with suggest that the protein levels are too high in most > commercially prepared food. Take a look at some of the newer " natural " > foods and check the levels of protein. Dogs are omnivore, not carnivores, > and can live on a vegetarian diet very well. All the current veterinary literature right now points to TYPES of protein being an issue in food allergies, not quantities. Hence the popularity of " lamb and rice " or chicken and rice " type diets. Even kangaroo meat has recently been introduced into the dog food market as a hypoallergenic food source. > I am not sure that I would agree entirely that the industry standard set by > the AAFCO is necessarily right, and its only recently that veterinarians > are being taught nutrition in vet school, and not provided information by > the dog food manufacturers. Agreed about AAFCO - that's a very wide door. But... Are you implying that vets know very little about dog nutrition and are adversely influenced by pet food companies? Because that kinda undermines your arguement here : >>>>>Since then, Ive known many breeders who confirm it, and vets that Ive personally dealt with suggest that the protein levels are too high in most commercially prepared food.<<<<<< Vets being taught nutrition only recently? As of last week? 1975? 1945? What does recently mean? Are you familiar with the history of curriculums set by veterinary schools? I keep hearing this arguement, and it's just wrong. Vets and vet techs ARE taught nutrition in school, always have - and by ~gasp~ professors, not pet food reps. > However, diet is something that should be invetigated. Agreed. It's a personal choice, based on what works best for you and your dog. There are many different options and choices. >A bandaid of a > hydrosol (provided by you presumably) is not an answer, only a bandaid. Rereading the thread, I think it's pretty clear that someone was asking for suggestions of what to do with yarrow hydrosol, and Marge gave a suggestion - it wasn't a sales pitch. But speaking of answers, please consult a veterinary textbook, or google the subject, because the answer YOU provided was incorrect. Hot spots are not caused by elevated protein levels, nor are they _ALWAYS_ caused by atopy or food allergy. > I dont know why you slag off competitors like you do, and you might want to > question your ethics in doing so. Who was Marge competing against here? You? AAFCO? Is Nature's Gift selling dog food now? I'm confused where the aspect of competition came in, and why you felt compelled to bring it up. Or is questioning Marge's ethics just a red herring to drag us off the trail of the fact that Marge consulted a veterinarian who provided professional, accurate information that contradicted yours? Just a thought. JenB Its widely noted that you never miss an > opportunity. > > Mary > Well, Naturally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2004 Report Share Posted May 29, 2004 cortaderia_1999 [cortaderia_1999] > >that is an inaccurate, broad generalization made by someone who knows just > >enough to be dangerous. > Marge, this was rather rude to include in the post. We all know there > are many 'nicknames' to things. How many people on the west coast > know of 'chiggers', not many. > Marge, some of your claims for hydrosols and eo's could also be > considered a broad generalization, just enough to be dangerous. Yes yes, lets try to be nice the way things are phrased, even if we're quoting others ... We're all in some ways possessing just enough knowledge to be dangerous Oh the things I learned about glycerin from soap making from the movie " Fight Club " .... *lol* ;-p > " As to what causes and can cure hot spots without detailed veterinary > testing is only guessing. " And by the way, that comes via my vet who > graduated top of his class at UCDavis(known to be the best in > California) and has been practicing over 20 years and keeps up to > date by continued education. The 4 year vet has nothing on him in > the education department. So next time do not be so quick to 'slag' > her. I notice if you do not sell a certain persons book or carry that > product you always find something wrong with it and highly recommend > the one you sell. > Not verbatim from a real vet school book, laymen's terms: > Hot Spots or Acute Moist Pyoderma > " Hot spots " are also known as " acute moist pyoderma " . What that means > is that they are rapidly appearing, oozing, skin infections. My poor doggie Nugget had them. She pretty much had a form of doggie eczema. We did a lot of dietary changes for her, and homeopathy (and that all helped her a lot) > A hot spot starts because something irritates the dog's skin. The > body's response is to either itch or create an inflammatory response > at the site. In cases of itching, the dog then rubs, licks or chews > the site and adds to the problem. These sores can develop into severe > problems in an hour or two at times. Oh my gosh! No doubt, and some dogs can get neurotic about it and cause themselves such a problem (like my dog Nugget had been). > The most common irritants are fleas and allergies. These cause the > itching that leads to the skin infection. There are many other > possible sources of irritation. Tick bites, besetting, burrs, mats, > mosquitos, summer heat, diet and other problems all contribute to the > initial irritation that can develop into a hot spot. There are SO many thing that cause cause hot spots, it is true, from food allergies of one sort or another, airborne allergies (like people get to various substances), bug bites (and we all know what happens when we get a bug bite and cave into the urge to scratch scratch scratch it, every one of us has done it at least ONCE in our lives, and its harder to convince a dog not to > Sue Thanks Sue! *Smile* Chris (list mom - who is REALLY going now! The kids are getting antsy and DH is giving me the evil eye to get a move on now *lol*) http://www.alittleolfactory.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Hi Marge Oops, that will teach me to read the 200 odd messages before replying! > >Hot spots are an immune response to something that causes an > itch. While > >food allergy is ONE of the reasons, it is NOT the only one by far. In Thanks for the information. Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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