Guest guest Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 I was wondering if anyone could please offer advice on a patient I have been treating. She came to me after spending a considerable amount of money on various therapies in an attempt to heal her painful tongue. She told me this was the last attempt to heal it. She told me of suffering anxiety all her life, beginning with trauma in the womb and a difficult relationship with her mother who was admitted to a hospice with consumption after her birth. (her mother was advised not to have children as her health was poor and she was very weak). She complained of post traumatic stress and spoke of regression into past lives to try and come to terms with it. (This I have tried to discourage as I do not find it helpful to become fixated on this line of thought) She has remained in a state of fear and frustration for most of her adult life, in a difficult controlling relationship with her husband, culminating in her nursing him through a protracted illness until he died. The stress and anxiety was heightened at the time of her daughters wedding which she also found highly challenging time. (June 2006) This was when the pain of her tongue began. She is now in a happy loving relationship but pushes herself everyday having extremely active days. She presented with symptoms such as recurring nightmares every night, night sweats, her temperature was unregulated throughout the day, sweats in the 5 palms. Phlegm-y throat. Last period was a small amount of spotting in October 2006. She felt panicky at the throat and churning in the stomach. Liver, Kidney and Thyroid function test ok, has been diagnosed with a heart murmour, High cholesterol, high haemoglobin levels. She takes 4g of buffered vit C daily on advice of naturopath, magnesium, B6 and Zinc. (Moved onto " sizzling minerals " (plant based i think) 3 weeks into tx) The tongue itself was swollen and pale over the rear two thirds, covered with a thick white coat, and the front third was dry, very thin and intensely deep red Deep fissures transversely were evident when she stretched her tongue (by curling it under). The roof of her mouth was sore and feeling tongue rub on teeth constantly was very distressing for her. Salivary glands were ok. Pain in tongue was worse with anxiety. Pulse was rapid, choppy, thin Dx. Kidney and Heart not communicating , Kid Yin Xu, Heart Fire, -> Shen Disturbance. Stomach Fire She was reluctant to try acupuncture and terrified of the needles but committed to come for a few weeks. We managed to get the nightmares, night sweats and temperature regulated, and anxiety levels were dramatically improved. Her appetite was voracious (with huge plates specially commissioned to contain the vast quantity of vegetables consumed every night!) Qing wei san and tian wang bu xin wan prescribed (patents only due to restriction imposed at the clinic) Things going well until she went for reflexology and symptoms all stirred up again. Subsided once more after acu tx. Tooth abscess appeared after hopi ear candle, caused much distress, swapped qing wei san to huang lian jie du wan. Abscess then burst and drained away. Discovered she was compulsively eating chocolate, several bars, packs of biscuits, easter eggs in one go. Ear seeds used to calm cravings with success. Advised no sugar or yeast diet as had thrush attack (calmed by acu) and a history of cystitis for over 10 years thru 30's. Not convinced she is sticking to the diet tho. She stopped acu tx due financial reasons and fear of needles, but will come again if I advise her to. I haven't given acu for a while as she worries about needles for days before the tx, (she is ok during tx, my needling isn't that terrible!). Pain in tongue now changeable, mostly ok but worse when stressed. Saw her briefly today (not in a formal appointment), the tongue colour is now more even light red, thin coat but crack looked a little wider. Front edge of tongue is a little scalloped Acu points used were generally Zhongwan, Taixi, Neiguan, Sanyinjiao, Xuehai, Neiting, Zusanli, Hegu, Guanyuan, Yintang, Xinshu, Shenshu, Weishu, Ganshu, Jueyinshu, Pishu Any advice on treating patient of this nature would be appreciated as not sure which direction to go next. Thanks, Christine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 On Friday 15 June 2007 14:32, c_s_tcm wrote: Hi Christine! The thrush attack is your major clue, in my opinion. Get her to eliminate yeast, bread, starch and sugar for a week or two (as long as she is willing to try) and see if it helps. A week or so of vegetables and meat shouldn't be too intolerable. Is she taking any antibiotics, or has she ever? If she is/has she should do some sort of probiotic therapy since the gut bacteria is most likely depleted and yeast is taking over. Even plain sugar free yogurt containing active culture would help if this is the problem. > I was wondering if anyone could please offer advice on a patient I > have been treating. > She came to me after spending a considerable amount of money on > various therapies in an attempt to heal her painful tongue. She told > me this was the last attempt to heal it. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 Pete: We've missed you! Have you been travelling in that mobile acupuncture unit idea I had? Hope you are well. Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- Pete Theisen <petetheisen > On Friday 15 June 2007 14:32, c_s_tcm wrote: > > Hi Christine! > > The thrush attack is your major clue, in my opinion. Get her to eliminate > yeast, bread, starch and sugar for a week or two (as long as she is willing > to try) and see if it helps. A week or so of vegetables and meat shouldn't be > too intolerable. > > Is she taking any antibiotics, or has she ever? If she is/has she should do > some sort of probiotic therapy since the gut bacteria is most likely depleted > and yeast is taking over. Even plain sugar free yogurt containing active > culture would help if this is the problem. > > > I was wondering if anyone could please offer advice on a patient I > > have been treating. > > She came to me after spending a considerable amount of money on > > various therapies in an attempt to heal her painful tongue. She told > > me this was the last attempt to heal it. > -- > Regards, > > Pete > http://www.pete-theisen.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 Hi Christine. I find the most useful thing for me in this situation is simply to summarise accurately and cleanly where, when and why patient's presenting complaint improved or got worse. Heart fire makes it very difficult for the consciousness to shine consistently, preventing proper, calm, focus. You might need to do that for them. If you summarise honestly and simply, they will very easily get the point and find their own motivation to continue, in some way, the treatment that has helped them. Remember that many of us are not able to recognise healing when it occurs. Even those patients of mine who have chosen to not cont tx have been very grateful to know that they /do/ have soemthing to stand on if they need it in the future. Hugo c_s_tcm <c_s_tcm Chinese Medicine Friday, 15 June, 2007 3:32:00 PM Case of Painful Tongue I was wondering if anyone could please offer advice on a patient I have been treating. She came to me after spending a considerable amount of money on various therapies in an attempt to heal her painful tongue. She told me this was the last attempt to heal it. She told me of suffering anxiety all her life, beginning with trauma in the womb and a difficult relationship with her mother who was admitted to a hospice with consumption after her birth. (her mother was advised not to have children as her health was poor and she was very weak). She complained of post traumatic stress and spoke of regression into past lives to try and come to terms with it. (This I have tried to discourage as I do not find it helpful to become fixated on this line of thought) She has remained in a state of fear and frustration for most of her adult life, in a difficult controlling relationship with her husband, culminating in her nursing him through a protracted illness until he died. The stress and anxiety was heightened at the time of her daughters wedding which she also found highly challenging time. (June 2006) This was when the pain of her tongue began. She is now in a happy loving relationship but pushes herself everyday having extremely active days. She presented with symptoms such as recurring nightmares every night, night sweats, her temperature was unregulated throughout the day, sweats in the 5 palms. Phlegm-y throat. Last period was a small amount of spotting in October 2006. She felt panicky at the throat and churning in the stomach. Liver, Kidney and Thyroid function test ok, has been diagnosed with a heart murmour, High cholesterol, high haemoglobin levels. She takes 4g of buffered vit C daily on advice of naturopath, magnesium, B6 and Zinc. (Moved onto " sizzling minerals " (plant based i think) 3 weeks into tx) The tongue itself was swollen and pale over the rear two thirds, covered with a thick white coat, and the front third was dry, very thin and intensely deep red Deep fissures transversely were evident when she stretched her tongue (by curling it under). The roof of her mouth was sore and feeling tongue rub on teeth constantly was very distressing for her. Salivary glands were ok. Pain in tongue was worse with anxiety. Pulse was rapid, choppy, thin Dx. Kidney and Heart not communicating , Kid Yin Xu, Heart Fire, -> Shen Disturbance. Stomach Fire She was reluctant to try acupuncture and terrified of the needles but committed to come for a few weeks. We managed to get the nightmares, night sweats and temperature regulated, and anxiety levels were dramatically improved. Her appetite was voracious (with huge plates specially commissioned to contain the vast quantity of vegetables consumed every night!) Qing wei san and tian wang bu xin wan prescribed (patents only due to restriction imposed at the clinic) Things going well until she went for reflexology and symptoms all stirred up again. Subsided once more after acu tx. Tooth abscess appeared after hopi ear candle, caused much distress, swapped qing wei san to huang lian jie du wan. Abscess then burst and drained away. Discovered she was compulsively eating chocolate, several bars, packs of biscuits, easter eggs in one go. Ear seeds used to calm cravings with success. Advised no sugar or yeast diet as had thrush attack (calmed by acu) and a history of cystitis for over 10 years thru 30's. Not convinced she is sticking to the diet tho. She stopped acu tx due financial reasons and fear of needles, but will come again if I advise her to. I haven't given acu for a while as she worries about needles for days before the tx, (she is ok during tx, my needling isn't that terrible!). Pain in tongue now changeable, mostly ok but worse when stressed. Saw her briefly today (not in a formal appointment) , the tongue colour is now more even light red, thin coat but crack looked a little wider. Front edge of tongue is a little scalloped Acu points used were generally Zhongwan, Taixi, Neiguan, Sanyinjiao, Xuehai, Neiting, Zusanli, Hegu, Guanyuan, Yintang, Xinshu, Shenshu, Weishu, Ganshu, Jueyinshu, Pishu Any advice on treating patient of this nature would be appreciated as not sure which direction to go next. 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Guest guest Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 Thank you Hugo- That makes sense to me. I had found it both disheartening and frustrating when reminding her of how her symptoms had improved over course of Tx, after countless months of tx from naturopath, doc's dentist, supplements etc (9 diff therapists before me, and before any change) she replied " yes, but i don't know what it is that has made the difference... " . I know i do not need any ego stroking etc but some recognition and willingness to build on what we had done already would be useful! she will continue on patents indefinatly, should i just resign to this? she will come to see me on Wed for massage treatment (acu if i really insist on it) for her first consultation in around 4 weeks regards , Christine Chinese Medicine , Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: > > Hi Christine. I find the most useful thing for me in this situation is simply to summarise accurately and cleanly where, when and why patient's presenting complaint improved or got worse. Heart fire makes it very difficult for the consciousness to shine consistently, preventing proper, calm, focus. You might need to do that for them. If you summarise honestly and simply, they will very easily get the point and find their own motivation to continue, in some way, the treatment that has helped them. Remember that many of us are not able to recognise healing when it occurs. > > Even those patients of mine who have chosen to not cont tx have been very grateful to know that they /do/ have soemthing to stand on if they need it in the future. > > Hugo > > > c_s_tcm <c_s_tcm > Chinese Medicine > Friday, 15 June, 2007 3:32:00 PM > Case of Painful Tongue > > > > > > > I was wondering if anyone could please offer advice on a patient I > > have been treating. > > She came to me after spending a considerable amount of money on > > various therapies in an attempt to heal her painful tongue. She told > > me this was the last attempt to heal it. > > > > She told me of suffering anxiety all her life, beginning with trauma > > in the womb and a difficult relationship with her mother who was > > admitted to a hospice with consumption after her birth. (her mother > > was advised not to have children as her health was poor and she was > > very weak). She complained of post traumatic stress and spoke of > > regression into past lives to try and come to terms with it. (This I > > have tried to discourage as I do not find it helpful to become > > fixated on this line of thought) > > > > She has remained in a state of fear and frustration for most of her > > adult life, in a difficult controlling relationship with her husband, > > culminating in her nursing him through a protracted illness until he > > died. > > > > The stress and anxiety was heightened at the time of her daughters > > wedding which she also found highly challenging time. (June 2006) > > This was when the pain of her tongue began. She is now in a happy > > loving relationship but pushes herself everyday having extremely > > active days. > > > > She presented with symptoms such as recurring nightmares every night, > > night sweats, her temperature was unregulated throughout the day, > > sweats in the 5 palms. Phlegm-y throat. Last period was a small > > amount of spotting in October 2006. She felt panicky at the throat > > and churning in the stomach. > > Liver, Kidney and Thyroid function test ok, has been diagnosed with a > > heart murmour, High cholesterol, high haemoglobin levels. She takes > > 4g of buffered vit C daily on advice of naturopath, magnesium, B6 and > > Zinc. (Moved onto " sizzling minerals " (plant based i think) 3 weeks > > into tx) > > > > The tongue itself was swollen and pale over the rear two thirds, > > covered with a thick white coat, and the front third was dry, very > > thin and intensely deep red > > Deep fissures transversely were evident when she stretched her tongue > > (by curling it under). The roof of her mouth was sore and feeling > > tongue rub on teeth constantly was very distressing for her. Salivary > > glands were ok. Pain in tongue was worse with anxiety. > > > > Pulse was rapid, choppy, thin > > > > Dx. Kidney and Heart not communicating , Kid Yin Xu, Heart Fire, -> > > Shen Disturbance. Stomach Fire > > > > She was reluctant to try acupuncture and terrified of the needles but > > committed to come for a few weeks. We managed to get the nightmares, > > night sweats and temperature regulated, and anxiety levels were > > dramatically improved. Her appetite was voracious (with huge plates > > specially commissioned to contain the vast quantity of vegetables > > consumed every night!) Qing wei san and tian wang bu xin wan > > prescribed (patents only due to restriction imposed at the clinic) > > > > Things going well until she went for reflexology and symptoms all > > stirred up again. Subsided once more after acu tx. Tooth abscess > > appeared after hopi ear candle, caused much distress, swapped qing > > wei san to huang lian jie du wan. Abscess then burst and drained > > away. Discovered she was compulsively eating chocolate, several bars, > > packs of biscuits, easter eggs in one go. Ear seeds used to calm > > cravings with success. Advised no sugar or yeast diet as had thrush > > attack (calmed by acu) and a history of cystitis for over 10 years > > thru 30's. Not convinced she is sticking to the diet tho. > > > > She stopped acu tx due financial reasons and fear of needles, but > > will come again if I advise her to. I haven't given acu for a while > > as she worries about needles for days before the tx, (she is ok > > during tx, my needling isn't that terrible!). Pain in tongue now > > changeable, mostly ok but worse when stressed. Saw her briefly today > > (not in a formal appointment) , the tongue colour is now more even > > light red, thin coat but crack looked a little wider. Front edge of > > tongue is a little scalloped > > > > Acu points used were generally Zhongwan, Taixi, Neiguan, Sanyinjiao, > > Xuehai, Neiting, Zusanli, Hegu, Guanyuan, Yintang, > > Xinshu, Shenshu, Weishu, Ganshu, Jueyinshu, Pishu > > > > Any advice on treating patient of this nature would be appreciated as > > not sure which direction to go next. > > > > Thanks, Christine > > > > > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} > #ygrp-text{ > font-family:Georgia; > } > #ygrp-text p{ > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > font-family:Arial; > clear:both;} > #ygrp-vitnav{ > padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > padding:0 1px;} > #ygrp-actbar{ > clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text- align:right;} > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > float:left;white-space:nowrap;} > .bld{font-weight:bold;} > #ygrp-grft{ > font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;padding:15px 0;} > #ygrp-ft{ > font-family:verdana;font-size:77%;border-top:1px solid #666; > padding:5px 0; > } > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > padding-bottom:10px;} > > #ygrp-vital{ > background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > font-size:77%;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold;color:#333;text- transform:uppercase;} > #ygrp-vital ul{ > padding:0;margin:2px 0;} > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text- align:right;padding-right:.5em;} > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > font-weight:bold;} > #ygrp-vital a { > text-decoration:none;} > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline;} > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > color:#999;font-size:77%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > padding:6px 13px;background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > padding:8px 0;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font- size:100%;line-height:122%;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > text-decoration:none;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > margin:0;} > o {font-size:0;} > .MsoNormal { > margin:0 0 0 0;} > #ygrp-text tt{ > font-size:120%;} > blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} > .replbq {margin:4;} > --> > > > > > _________ > New Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. 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Guest guest Posted June 17, 2007 Report Share Posted June 17, 2007 Hi Christine, Unfortunately, I too have found that it is difficult for patients with strong shen disturbances to accurately assess improvements in their condition or what led to them. I have come to believe this is part of the nature of those particular disharmonies. Their ability to self-reflect is damaged, and the nature of some of those disharmonies is that symptoms fluctuate over time, making it further difficult for the patient to gauge improvement or recognize its source. If she is going to continue with herbs, I think it is appropriate for her to come for re-evaluations regularly, to consider different formulas as her condition changes. Consider, too, that perhaps she might just want to take a break for a while, after all the different practitioners she has worked with. And reassure her that if her symptoms worsen again, she can always come back. c_s_tcm <c_s_tcm wrote: Thank you Hugo- That makes sense to me. I had found it both disheartening and frustrating when reminding her of how her symptoms had improved over course of Tx, after countless months of tx from naturopath, doc's dentist, supplements etc (9 diff therapists before me, and before any change) she replied " yes, but i don't know what it is that has made the difference... " . I know i do not need any ego stroking etc but some recognition and willingness to build on what we had done already would be useful! she will continue on patents indefinatly, should i just resign to this? she will come to see me on Wed for massage treatment (acu if i really insist on it) for her first consultation in around 4 weeks regards , Christine Chinese Medicine , Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: > > Hi Christine. I find the most useful thing for me in this situation is simply to summarise accurately and cleanly where, when and why patient's presenting complaint improved or got worse. Heart fire makes it very difficult for the consciousness to shine consistently, preventing proper, calm, focus. You might need to do that for them. If you summarise honestly and simply, they will very easily get the point and find their own motivation to continue, in some way, the treatment that has helped them. Remember that many of us are not able to recognise healing when it occurs. > > Even those patients of mine who have chosen to not cont tx have been very grateful to know that they /do/ have soemthing to stand on if they need it in the future. > > Hugo > > > c_s_tcm <c_s_tcm > Chinese Medicine > Friday, 15 June, 2007 3:32:00 PM > Case of Painful Tongue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was wondering if anyone could please offer advice on a patient I > > have been treating. > > She came to me after spending a considerable amount of money on > > various therapies in an attempt to heal her painful tongue. She told > > me this was the last attempt to heal it. > > > > She told me of suffering anxiety all her life, beginning with trauma > > in the womb and a difficult relationship with her mother who was > > admitted to a hospice with consumption after her birth. (her mother > > was advised not to have children as her health was poor and she was > > very weak). She complained of post traumatic stress and spoke of > > regression into past lives to try and come to terms with it. (This I > > have tried to discourage as I do not find it helpful to become > > fixated on this line of thought) > > > > She has remained in a state of fear and frustration for most of her > > adult life, in a difficult controlling relationship with her husband, > > culminating in her nursing him through a protracted illness until he > > died. > > > > The stress and anxiety was heightened at the time of her daughters > > wedding which she also found highly challenging time. (June 2006) > > This was when the pain of her tongue began. She is now in a happy > > loving relationship but pushes herself everyday having extremely > > active days. > > > > She presented with symptoms such as recurring nightmares every night, > > night sweats, her temperature was unregulated throughout the day, > > sweats in the 5 palms. Phlegm-y throat. Last period was a small > > amount of spotting in October 2006. She felt panicky at the throat > > and churning in the stomach. > > Liver, Kidney and Thyroid function test ok, has been diagnosed with a > > heart murmour, High cholesterol, high haemoglobin levels. She takes > > 4g of buffered vit C daily on advice of naturopath, magnesium, B6 and > > Zinc. (Moved onto " sizzling minerals " (plant based i think) 3 weeks > > into tx) > > > > The tongue itself was swollen and pale over the rear two thirds, > > covered with a thick white coat, and the front third was dry, very > > thin and intensely deep red > > Deep fissures transversely were evident when she stretched her tongue > > (by curling it under). The roof of her mouth was sore and feeling > > tongue rub on teeth constantly was very distressing for her. Salivary > > glands were ok. Pain in tongue was worse with anxiety. > > > > Pulse was rapid, choppy, thin > > > > Dx. Kidney and Heart not communicating , Kid Yin Xu, Heart Fire, -> > > Shen Disturbance. Stomach Fire > > > > She was reluctant to try acupuncture and terrified of the needles but > > committed to come for a few weeks. We managed to get the nightmares, > > night sweats and temperature regulated, and anxiety levels were > > dramatically improved. Her appetite was voracious (with huge plates > > specially commissioned to contain the vast quantity of vegetables > > consumed every night!) Qing wei san and tian wang bu xin wan > > prescribed (patents only due to restriction imposed at the clinic) > > > > Things going well until she went for reflexology and symptoms all > > stirred up again. Subsided once more after acu tx. Tooth abscess > > appeared after hopi ear candle, caused much distress, swapped qing > > wei san to huang lian jie du wan. Abscess then burst and drained > > away. Discovered she was compulsively eating chocolate, several bars, > > packs of biscuits, easter eggs in one go. Ear seeds used to calm > > cravings with success. Advised no sugar or yeast diet as had thrush > > attack (calmed by acu) and a history of cystitis for over 10 years > > thru 30's. Not convinced she is sticking to the diet tho. > > > > She stopped acu tx due financial reasons and fear of needles, but > > will come again if I advise her to. I haven't given acu for a while > > as she worries about needles for days before the tx, (she is ok > > during tx, my needling isn't that terrible!). Pain in tongue now > > changeable, mostly ok but worse when stressed. Saw her briefly today > > (not in a formal appointment) , the tongue colour is now more even > > light red, thin coat but crack looked a little wider. Front edge of > > tongue is a little scalloped > > > > Acu points used were generally Zhongwan, Taixi, Neiguan, Sanyinjiao, > > Xuehai, Neiting, Zusanli, Hegu, Guanyuan, Yintang, > > Xinshu, Shenshu, Weishu, Ganshu, Jueyinshu, Pishu > > > > Any advice on treating patient of this nature would be appreciated as > > not sure which direction to go next. > > > > Thanks, Christine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} > #ygrp-text{ > font-family:Georgia; > } > #ygrp-text p{ > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > font-family:Arial; > clear:both;} > #ygrp-vitnav{ > padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > padding:0 1px;} > #ygrp-actbar{ > clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text- align:right;} > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > float:left;white-space:nowrap;} > .bld{font-weight:bold;} > #ygrp-grft{ > font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;padding:15px 0;} > #ygrp-ft{ > font-family:verdana;font-size:77%;border-top:1px solid #666; > padding:5px 0; > } > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > padding-bottom:10px;} > > #ygrp-vital{ > background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > font-size:77%;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold;color:#333;text- transform:uppercase;} > #ygrp-vital ul{ > padding:0;margin:2px 0;} > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text- align:right;padding-right:.5em;} > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > font-weight:bold;} > #ygrp-vital a { > text-decoration:none;} > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline;} > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > color:#999;font-size:77%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > padding:6px 13px;background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > padding:8px 0;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font- size:100%;line-height:122%;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > text-decoration:none;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > margin:0;} > o {font-size:0;} > .MsoNormal { > margin:0 0 0 0;} > #ygrp-text tt{ > font-size:120%;} > blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} > .replbq {margin:4;} > --> > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > New Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. 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Guest guest Posted June 17, 2007 Report Share Posted June 17, 2007 On Saturday 16 June 2007 06:40, anne.crowley wrote: > We've missed you! Have you been travelling in that mobile acupuncture unit > idea I had? Hope you are well. Hi Anne! Thanks. Not much travelling. I did put together a treatment kit to take with me to the few patients I still have, but that is all local. I suppose you could consider that a mobile acupuncture unit, it lives in a 2 wheeled plastic beer cooler (with no beer). Currently doing some CEU work on acupuncture injection therapy, which is legal in Florida. I had a lot of health issues myself, unresolved accident soft tissue injuries. This is now being treated by a colleague who does prolotherapy. Nothing comes close to this - I estimate a 90% improvement in 4 treatments. As one injury heals up you become aware of other smaller issues that had been mentally " tuned out " while you were dealing with the greater problems. Astonishing results, actually. I don't know these guys, but they have an interesting description of prolotherapy. http://www.drtimspeciale.com/Prolotherapy_Treatment.htm -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2007 Report Share Posted June 17, 2007 But remember it only works for the right indications - Pete Theisen Chinese Medicine Sunday, June 17, 2007 7:56 AM Re: Case of Painful Tongue On Saturday 16 June 2007 06:40, anne.crowley wrote: > We've missed you! Have you been travelling in that mobile acupuncture unit > idea I had? Hope you are well. Hi Anne! Thanks. Not much travelling. I did put together a treatment kit to take with me to the few patients I still have, but that is all local. I suppose you could consider that a mobile acupuncture unit, it lives in a 2 wheeled plastic beer cooler (with no beer). Currently doing some CEU work on acupuncture injection therapy, which is legal in Florida. I had a lot of health issues myself, unresolved accident soft tissue injuries. This is now being treated by a colleague who does prolotherapy. Nothing comes close to this - I estimate a 90% improvement in 4 treatments. As one injury heals up you become aware of other smaller issues that had been mentally " tuned out " while you were dealing with the greater problems. Astonishing results, actually. I don't know these guys, but they have an interesting description of prolotherapy. http://www.drtimspeciale.com/Prolotherapy_Treatment.htm -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 On Sunday 17 June 2007 17:58, Alon Marcus wrote: Hi Alon! I guess I must have had the right indications, then. Big time. I had been considering it for a while, but couldn't afford it. > But remember it only works for the right indications > > > > > > > > > - > Pete Theisen > Chinese Medicine > Sunday, June 17, 2007 7:56 AM > Re: Case of Painful Tongue > > On Saturday 16 June 2007 06:40, anne.crowley wrote: > > We've missed you! Have you been travelling in that mobile acupuncture > > unit idea I had? Hope you are well. > > Hi Anne! > > Thanks. Not much travelling. I did put together a treatment kit to take > with me to the few patients I still have, but that is all local. I suppose > you could consider that a mobile acupuncture unit, it lives in a 2 wheeled > plastic beer cooler (with no beer). Currently doing some CEU work on > acupuncture injection therapy, which is legal in Florida. > > I had a lot of health issues myself, unresolved accident soft tissue > injuries. This is now being treated by a colleague who does prolotherapy. > Nothing comes close to this - I estimate a 90% improvement in 4 treatments. > As one injury heals up you become aware of other smaller issues that had > been > mentally " tuned out " while you were dealing with the greater problems. > Astonishing results, actually. > > I don't know these guys, but they have an interesting description of > prolotherapy. > > http://www.drtimspeciale.com/Prolotherapy_Treatment.htm > -- > Regards, > > Pete > http://www.pete-theisen.com/ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Prolo is great for the right indication, unfortunately too many people use it for all pain problems - Pete Theisen Chinese Medicine Monday, June 18, 2007 2:43 PM Re: Case of Painful Tongue On Sunday 17 June 2007 17:58, Alon Marcus wrote: Hi Alon! I guess I must have had the right indications, then. Big time. I had been considering it for a while, but couldn't afford it. > But remember it only works for the right indications > > > > > > > > > - > Pete Theisen > Chinese Medicine > Sunday, June 17, 2007 7:56 AM > Re: Case of Painful Tongue > > On Saturday 16 June 2007 06:40, anne.crowley wrote: > > We've missed you! Have you been travelling in that mobile acupuncture > > unit idea I had? Hope you are well. > > Hi Anne! > > Thanks. Not much travelling. I did put together a treatment kit to take > with me to the few patients I still have, but that is all local. I suppose > you could consider that a mobile acupuncture unit, it lives in a 2 wheeled > plastic beer cooler (with no beer). Currently doing some CEU work on > acupuncture injection therapy, which is legal in Florida. > > I had a lot of health issues myself, unresolved accident soft tissue > injuries. This is now being treated by a colleague who does prolotherapy. > Nothing comes close to this - I estimate a 90% improvement in 4 treatments. > As one injury heals up you become aware of other smaller issues that had > been > mentally " tuned out " while you were dealing with the greater problems. > Astonishing results, actually. > > I don't know these guys, but they have an interesting description of > prolotherapy. > > http://www.drtimspeciale.com/Prolotherapy_Treatment.htm > -- > Regards, > > Pete > http://www.pete-theisen.com/ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 On Monday 18 June 2007 21:13, Alon Marcus wrote: > Prolo is great for the right indication, unfortunately too many people use > it for all pain problems Hi Dr. Alon! Do they? I am currently taking a class in acupuncture injection. I do not consider this prolo, but I think it has certain applications, including pain. I think of acupuncture injection as a means to get medicine into a specific area (the acupoint) without depending on the patient taking the medicine and without the medicine having to be absorbed unmodified through the digestive system. It also has the function of stimulating the point long after the needle has been withdrawn. I am being *treated* with prolo. I am *studying* acupuncture injection. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Hi Pete what are you injecting? herbs, homeopathics? - Pete Theisen Chinese Medicine Wednesday, June 20, 2007 6:59 AM Re: Case of Painful Tongue On Monday 18 June 2007 21:13, Alon Marcus wrote: > Prolo is great for the right indication, unfortunately too many people use > it for all pain problems Hi Dr. Alon! Do they? I am currently taking a class in acupuncture injection. I do not consider this prolo, but I think it has certain applications, including pain. I think of acupuncture injection as a means to get medicine into a specific area (the acupoint) without depending on the patient taking the medicine and without the medicine having to be absorbed unmodified through the digestive system. It also has the function of stimulating the point long after the needle has been withdrawn. I am being *treated* with prolo. I am *studying* acupuncture injection. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 On Wednesday 20 June 2007 09:36, Alon Marcus wrote: Hi Alon! I am getting an order together. This minute all I have is B 12. Order will include herbs and homeopathic stuff. > Hi Pete > what are you injecting? herbs, homeopathics? -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 hi pete i am not sure what this email is abut alon Pete Theisen <petetheisen wrote: On Wednesday 20 June 2007 09:36, Alon Marcus wrote: Hi Alon! I am getting an order together. This minute all I have is B 12. Order will include herbs and homeopathic stuff. > Hi Pete > what are you injecting? herbs, homeopathics? -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 We do interventional pain so we do lots of stuff. All medical Alon Alon Marcus <alonmarcus wrote: Hi Pete what are you injecting? herbs, homeopathics? - Pete Theisen Chinese Medicine Wednesday, June 20, 2007 6:59 AM Re: Case of Painful Tongue On Monday 18 June 2007 21:13, Alon Marcus wrote: > Prolo is great for the right indication, unfortunately too many people use > it for all pain problems Hi Dr. Alon! Do they? I am currently taking a class in acupuncture injection. I do not consider this prolo, but I think it has certain applications, including pain. I think of acupuncture injection as a means to get medicine into a specific area (the acupoint) without depending on the patient taking the medicine and without the medicine having to be absorbed unmodified through the digestive system. It also has the function of stimulating the point long after the needle has been withdrawn. I am being *treated* with prolo. I am *studying* acupuncture injection. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 On Tuesday 03 July 2007 13:22, Alon Marcus wrote: Hi Alon! You asked me what I was injecting. I have injectable vitamin B 12, I will get injectable herbs and homeopathic stuff. > hi pete > i am not sure what this email is abut > alon > I am getting an order together. This minute all I have is B 12. Order will > include herbs and homeopathic stuff. > > > what are you injecting? herbs, homeopathics? -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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