Guest guest Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 Zev, et al: Anne here. I read your post saying, “Yes, he’s right.” Yet, I find there is so much more to say and it’s very hard to articulate it. I strongly agree that the divide has to stop. We are all practicing . I like to think of it as looking at it from a different window. I am trained in a Worsley school in MD (TAI Sophia). The decision to train there came after multiple visits to the TCM school in Bethesda and to TAI. My own practitioner went to TAI so I had a leaning in that direction. Her treatments in effect changed my life in about 3 months, and I did not go in for a physical pain. Things were happening gradually, and after about 3 months I was looking in the mirror at a different person. I am in still in treatment with her 14 years later. In fact, I am going there today and it is an hour and a half drive from my house (where the school I went to for 3.5 years is.) Now can people’s lives changes like that with TCM? Of course it can. What drew me to the 5E school was the intense training on energetics of the person, CSOE and choosing points based on this. Many points were chosen for the “spirit of the point” and manuals were passed down and courses taught on the spirit of the points. I have a strong interest in the emotions and mental aspects affecting the whole body. That is why I studied acupuncture. So the 5E school was the natural choice for me. Five E schools (mine) was lacking in herbal training, tui na, cupping, electrical acupuncture. We did however cover diet and other healing modalities. These missing pieces have to be picked up after school. The herbal training is a tough one, since it takes years to go through accredited school. The intensity of the 5E school is very hard to mirror in a workshop. It is the day-in day-out working with emotions, with your classmates, teachers, and patient observation (this started the minute you entered school and went on for 3.5 years. I found both schools bashing one another, but it was much worse when I visited the TCM school. You needed an undergraduate degree to attend TAI and also you had to be available in the day. This excluded a lot of students who attended the TCM school. There was a lot of TAI bashing. Yes it also happened at TAI but not to that degree. The interesting thing is when the TCM school folded (mostly bad management I hear), TAI agreed to a teach out of the last year students, so those students did not have to start all over again at another school. From my speaking with that class, they were very grateful that happened.. I really wish the TCM school was still there as I want students to choose their way of studying this medicine. After 2 years of treatment with my practitioner, I decided to start to prepare for studying . I had to take lots of prerequisites in biology even though I had a master degree already. I did that as full time college professor with two young kids. I then decided to give up my tenured position (and pretty much life time security) to study this medicine. For most of us, it is not a casual choice. It takes a lot of time, energy and money to pursue it. I think we are all the same community healing people with our knowledge of . The training is through a different window and the skills can differ from practitioner to practitioner. In the end, it is the practitioner and patient relationship, the skills of the practioner, and the willingness to change on the part of the patient, that will bring about lasting healing. We are all drawn to the people that are helping us along our path of healing on all levels. Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 I have a PhD in psychology and can't help but notice that psychologists have spent many decades discussing which technique and approach is superior before they finally did the research and viola: study after study showed that technique doesn't make much difference for outcome in psychotherapy. I strongly suspect that our profession has a similar future waiting for it. Yes, we need to do research that compares the techniques in a systematic fashion. If anyone knows of any studies of this nature that have been completed and published, I'd love to know about it. I'd also love to stick heads together with some research oriented-practitioners and talk about how we could design such studies. And probably get some funding. I expect that the results will ultimately be similar to psychology, technique most likely will be shown to be only a minor aspect of treatment and its outcome. Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angela.pf Phone: 503 364 3022 - <anne.crowley <Chinese Medicine > Monday, June 11, 2007 5:45 AM Eight Principles and Five Elements > Zev, et al: > > Anne here. > > I read your post saying, " Yes, he's right. " Yet, I find there is so much > more to > say and it's very hard to articulate it. I strongly agree that the divide > has > to stop. We are all practicing . I like to think of it > as > looking at it from a different window. > > I am trained in a Worsley school in MD (TAI Sophia). The decision to > train > there came after multiple visits to the TCM school in Bethesda and to TAI. > My > own practitioner went to TAI so I had a leaning in that direction. Her > treatments in effect changed my life in about 3 months, and I did not go > in for > a physical pain. Things were happening gradually, and after about 3 > months I > was looking in the mirror at a different person. I am in still in > treatment with > her 14 years later. In fact, I am going there today and it is an hour and > a > half drive from my house (where the school I went to for 3.5 years is.) > > Now can people's lives changes like that with TCM? Of course it can. > What drew > me to the 5E school was the intense training on energetics of the person, > CSOE > and choosing points based on this. Many points were chosen for the > " spirit of > the point " and manuals were passed down and courses taught on the spirit > of the > points. > > I have a strong interest in the emotions and mental aspects affecting the > whole > body. That is why I studied acupuncture. So the 5E school was the natural > choice for me. Five E schools (mine) was lacking in herbal training, tui > na, > cupping, electrical acupuncture. We did however cover diet and other > healing > modalities. These missing pieces have to be picked up after school. The > herbal > training is a tough one, since it takes years to go through accredited > school. > > The intensity of the 5E school is very hard to mirror in a workshop. It > is the > day-in day-out working with emotions, with your classmates, teachers, and > patient observation (this started the minute you entered school and went > on for > 3.5 years. > > I found both schools bashing one another, but it was much worse when I > visited > the TCM school. You needed an undergraduate degree to attend TAI and also > you > had to be available in the day. This excluded a lot of students who > attended > the TCM school. There was a lot of TAI bashing. Yes it also happened at > TAI > but not to that degree. The interesting thing is when the TCM school > folded (mostly bad management I > hear), TAI agreed to a teach out of the last year students, so those > students > did not have to start all over again at another school. From my speaking > with > that class, they were very grateful that happened.. I really wish the > TCM school was still there as I want students to choose their way of > studying > this medicine. > > After 2 years of treatment with my practitioner, I decided to start to > prepare > for studying . I had to take lots of prerequisites in > biology > even though I had a master degree already. I did that as full time > college > professor with two young kids. I then decided to give up my tenured > position > (and pretty much life time security) to study this medicine. For most of > us, it > is not a casual choice. It takes a lot of time, energy and money to > pursue it. > > I think we are all the same community healing people with our knowledge of > . The training is through a different window and the > skills can > differ from practitioner to practitioner. > > In the end, it is the practitioner and patient relationship, the skills of > the > practioner, and the willingness to change on the part of the patient, that > will > bring about lasting healing. We are all drawn to the people that are > helping us > along our path of healing on all levels. > > Anne > > > Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at Times > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, > http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > and adjust > accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group > requires prior permission from the author. > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely > necessary. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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