Guest guest Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 Hi group, I'm going to meet with a few doctors to ask for referrals. Can anyone help me with the following: 1. An informative article on acupuncture that would be appropriate for western MDs...short, evidence based, and clear. 2. Any ideas in what to include in the info packet I will give them. 3. Any other helpful insights into this process. Thanks for any help, Cheers, David V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 When visiting docs, which I rarely do because of the lack of reciprocity, I find a current article from the archives of Acupuncture Today and include it along with a lette and business cards. Reenah --- dmvitello01 <dmvitello wrote: > Hi group, > > I'm going to meet with a few doctors to ask for > referrals. Can anyone help me with the > following: 1. An informative article on acupuncture > that would be appropriate for western > MDs...short, evidence based, and clear. 2. Any > ideas in what to include in the info packet I > will give them. 3. Any other helpful insights into > this process. Thanks for any help, > > Cheers, > David V > > Dr. Reenah McGill Licensed Acupuncturist & Biofeedback Specialist Healing Energy Center Modern Technology and Ancient Wisdom 323.668.0278 ph 323.668.2206 fax visit http://WWW.healingenergycenter.com and signup for your FREE ezine of health news and information to improve your life. ______________________________\ ____ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search./search?fr=oni_on_mail & p=summer+activities+for+kids & cs=bz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 I usually use something from a conventional medical journal. Abstracts are really just as good as whole articles; if the MD gives you 30 seconds of her/his time, that's usually all you can expect. I'd use an article or abstract related to the Md's specialty. Most Mds have tons of clients they can't help, people who don't want to take meds, people with chronic pain, or strange symptoms, or depression, etc. I would stress how acupuncture is the empirically best supported of all alternative approaches. Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angela.pf Phone: 503 364 3022 - dmvitello01 Chinese Medicine Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:44 AM Asking MD's for referrals Hi group, I'm going to meet with a few doctors to ask for referrals. Can anyone help me with the following: 1. An informative article on acupuncture that would be appropriate for western MDs...short, evidence based, and clear. 2. Any ideas in what to include in the info packet I will give them. 3. Any other helpful insights into this process. Thanks for any help, Cheers, David V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 David, A few suggestions (in no particular order)... (1) Keep written info on acupuncture to a minimum and confine it to less than a page focused on only on efficacy (2) Don't even try to explain TCM theory or acupuncture's mechanism for action (3) How you make them *feel* is the most important thing. They want to know that they're not going to look bad if they send patients your way. Most won't care about too much else. (4) Try to quickly demonstrate that you understand *their* medicine. Talk *their* language not ours. (5) Try to get another MD to provide an introduction. (This is huge.) (6) Be specific in the two or three types of cases that you want them to send to you. --Bill. On Jun 5, 2007, at 10:44 AM, dmvitello01 wrote: > Hi group, > > I'm going to meet with a few doctors to ask for referrals. Can > anyone help me with the > following: 1. An informative article on acupuncture that would be > appropriate for western > MDs...short, evidence based, and clear. 2. Any ideas in what to > include in the info packet I > will give them. 3. Any other helpful insights into this process. > Thanks for any help, > > Cheers, > David V > > > > Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at > Times http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, http:// > toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > http:// > and adjust > accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside > the group requires prior permission from the author. > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if > absolutely necessary. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 Excellent advice David. Chinese Medicine , Bill Mosca <mosca wrote: > > David, > > A few suggestions (in no particular order)... > > (1) Keep written info on acupuncture to a minimum and confine it to > less than a page focused on only on efficacy > (2) Don't even try to explain TCM theory or acupuncture's mechanism > for action > (3) How you make them *feel* is the most important thing. They want > to know that they're not going to look bad if they send patients your > way. Most won't care about too much else. > (4) Try to quickly demonstrate that you understand *their* medicine. > Talk *their* language not ours. > (5) Try to get another MD to provide an introduction. (This is huge.) > (6) Be specific in the two or three types of cases that you want them > to send to you. > > --Bill. > > > On Jun 5, 2007, at 10:44 AM, dmvitello01 wrote: > > > Hi group, > > > > I'm going to meet with a few doctors to ask for referrals. Can > > anyone help me with the > > following: 1. An informative article on acupuncture that would be > > appropriate for western > > MDs...short, evidence based, and clear. 2. Any ideas in what to > > include in the info packet I > > will give them. 3. Any other helpful insights into this process. > > Thanks for any help, > > > > Cheers, > > David V > > > > > > > > Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at > > Times http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, http:// > > toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > > http:// > > and adjust > > accordingly. > > > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside > > the group requires prior permission from the author. > > > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if > > absolutely necessary. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 Every MD has patients with whom they (the doc) are exasperated. Ask them to refer to you their incurables, their hypocondriacs, those who just do not respond to what the doc gives them. They will be more than happy to send these folks your way. Do not be afraid of these people. Proper diagnosis and treatment will yield excellent results with most of them. Send the successes back to their referring doctor for a follow-up and then you will have the relationship you seek. Mark Zaranski East Wind Acupuncture, Inc. Chesterton, Indiana Chinese Medicine , " dmvitello01 " <dmvitello wrote: > > Hi group, > > I'm going to meet with a few doctors to ask for referrals. Can anyone help me with the > following: 1. An informative article on acupuncture that would be appropriate for western > MDs...short, evidence based, and clear. 2. Any ideas in what to include in the info packet I > will give them. 3. Any other helpful insights into this process. Thanks for any help, > > Cheers, > David V > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 David, Are you approaching GP's or specialists? dr.w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 Mark: I agree completely. The other steps mentioned in previous posts are also good to do. Mention the incurables or the tough cases and they will send them your way. I have a chiropractor that does that. He does his usual routine, if the pain doesn't move satisfactorily for him or the patient, he sends them to me. 90% or more of the time, I get results. I wish he sent them sooner. Doctors are more than willing to send you a patient that they can't help. Just get the rapport, reputation and research (some) going and they will begin to do it more frequently. A GYN, whose office I worked in (last year) sent me a patient with pelvic pain. GYN didn't want to keep prescribing meds, so he referred her to me. With acupuncture and herbs, she is doing great. She even callled him to say she was taking out the Nuvo Ring (controls hormones - inserted internally). The nurse in charge said, " fine. " I think when stories like that get around, your phone will keep ringing. In the meantime, go out and build the rapport and get your patients to talk about you. Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- " zedbowls " <zaranski > Every MD has patients with whom they (the doc) are exasperated. Ask > them to refer to you their incurables, their hypocondriacs, those who > just do not respond to what the doc gives them. They will be more than > happy to send these folks your way. > > Do not be afraid of these people. Proper diagnosis and treatment will > yield excellent results with most of them. Send the successes back to > their referring doctor for a follow-up and then you will have the > relationship you seek. > > Mark Zaranski > East Wind Acupuncture, Inc. > Chesterton, Indiana > > Chinese Medicine , " dmvitello01 " > <dmvitello wrote: > > > > Hi group, > > > > I'm going to meet with a few doctors to ask for referrals. Can > anyone help me with the > > following: 1. An informative article on acupuncture that would be > appropriate for western > > MDs...short, evidence based, and clear. 2. Any ideas in what to > include in the info packet I > > will give them. 3. Any other helpful insights into this process. > Thanks for any help, > > > > Cheers, > > David V > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 This is great Bill. Thanks. I particularly like # 2. Wow, that has been a learning for me over the years. Keep that as simple as possible. Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- Bill Mosca <mosca > David, > > A few suggestions (in no particular order)... > > (1) Keep written info on acupuncture to a minimum and confine it to > less than a page focused on only on efficacy > (2) Don't even try to explain TCM theory or acupuncture's mechanism > for action > (3) How you make them *feel* is the most important thing. They want > to know that they're not going to look bad if they send patients your > way. Most won't care about too much else. > (4) Try to quickly demonstrate that you understand *their* medicine. > Talk *their* language not ours. > (5) Try to get another MD to provide an introduction. (This is huge.) > (6) Be specific in the two or three types of cases that you want them > to send to you. > > --Bill. > > > On Jun 5, 2007, at 10:44 AM, dmvitello01 wrote: > > > Hi group, > > > > I'm going to meet with a few doctors to ask for referrals. Can > > anyone help me with the > > following: 1. An informative article on acupuncture that would be > > appropriate for western > > MDs...short, evidence based, and clear. 2. Any ideas in what to > > include in the info packet I > > will give them. 3. Any other helpful insights into this process. > > Thanks for any help, > > > > Cheers, > > David V > > > > > > > > Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at > > Times http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, http:// > > toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > > http:// > > and adjust > > accordingly. > > > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside > > the group requires prior permission from the author. > > > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if > > absolutely necessary. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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