bone spurs (fixing flat feet - for Alon)

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I don't live in a world of never and only. In that world many things

can't be treated. (I see you used " only " again but added some

disclaimers)

 

 

That being said here is the trick to fixing flat feet.

 

Have your patient pull their big toe up and other toes down and bend

the foot into the form of a kife edge kick(where this trick came from

and part of what gets taught in my up coming classes, see

http://health.Chinese Medicine/mess

age/24217 " Please Help " )

Now have you patient hold this position all of the time. Any free

time and they need to be doing this. Leg lifted to the side and foot

in knife edge kicking position. As they start building these muscles

that counteract hyperpronation then they can start walking on the

knife edge of the foot on grass or sand, wet sand being the best.

 

The problem is that most patients stop doing this when the pain goes

away and never get to lift the arch so you must reinforce the

importantance of this exercise. If you know how to adjust the bones

of the feet it will speed it along, especially in the beginning.

 

As to the locked out big toe you do the same but with the plasters or

a blood moving soak (also taught in the " please help " class). If

they are in a hurry then have a podiatrist scrap off the spur.

 

This also clears up plantar fasciitis as well.

 

Another exercise is to pretend the foot is a covered in peanut butter

and have them spread the peanut butter onto a big imaginary slice of

bread (no need to use real peanut butter).

 

 

Kelvin

 

www.1stdefense.info

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " Alon Marcus "

<alonmarcus wrote:

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> Kelvin

> As you know a compensated forefoot varus is a condition that

results from a supinated foot at birth something we just cant change.

If you know a way please let me know. A good orthotic is the only way

i know to take stresses out of the foot, this should always be

integrated with manual therapy and exercises. However, if the first

ray is down and MTP lucks in stance i do not know of any other way to

resolve it. Please let me know if you do

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> acupuncturebeverlyhills

> Chinese Medicine

> Monday, May 07, 2007 1:55 PM

> Re: bone spurs

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>

> Alon, I wasn't thinking " reverse Morton's extension " it is just

what

> you suggested to Yehuda.

> See your advice here.

>

http://health.Chinese Medicine/mess

> age/24493

>

> I still believe that, in the long run, ortho inserts are just

> bandaids and don't treat the root of anything.

> Kelvin

>

> Chinese Medicine , " Alon

Marcus "

> <alonmarcus@> wrote:

> >

> > Kelvin

> > A couple of more points. The treatment of choice for

compensated

> forefoot varus (and with her having a " a flat foot " ) is a reverse

> morton's (perhaps you are thinking of morton's extension which

would

> be contraindicated) or a K-wage. Reverse morton's is used in

almost

> all pt with hallux limitus. My point on acute trauma is that this

is

> another etiology that result in arthritic changes and that these

pt

> respond differently than mechanical ones.

> > As far as bone spurs, they are definitely symptomatic when they

> result in pressure on neural tissues.

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> > acupuncturebeverlyhills

> > Chinese Medicine

> > Sunday, May 06, 2007 10:46 PM

> > Re: bone spurs

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> > Let me look at what you are trying to say.

> >

> > " A bone spur is only found in a patient with significant

> mechanical

> > stress " I had many bone spurs on my femur from lying in a

> hospital

> > bed for 11 months. So " only " should be avoided in this

sentence,

> the

> > world is not so black and white.

> >

> > " The bone spur in completely immaterial to the pt symptoms. "

Well

> > Mrs. So and So, seems that painful bone spur that keeps you

from

> > walking actually is immaterial, now get up and do some walking

on

> a

> > reverse Morton's ortho insert. (She is very over weight and as

> such,

> > most likely has Forefoot Varus, which is contra-indicated in a

> > reverse Morton's)

> >

> > " You can reduce symptoms with herbs both internally and

> externally

> > but you cannot get rid of the problem unless you treat the

> mechanics

> > of the foot that lead to it in the first place. " When did

> reducing

> > the symptoms become a bad thing? Treating the mechanics of a

> woman's

> > foot that is most likely forty pounds over weight and flat

footed

> is

> > more about diet and leg muscle work (from Gluts, TFL on down

> ward)

> > and less giving inserts.

> >

> > " Saying that some pt develop MTP swelling due to trauma and in

> some

> > of them you can treat it with herbs and acup and get rid or the

> > symptoms " Haven't quite figured out what you are trying to say

> here

> > but it seems you are going against what you already said about

> not

> > being able to fix the problem with external herbs. If you

reread

> the

> > post then you will see that it started (she thinks) after

jamming

> her

> > toe into a wall(trauma)while running barefoot.

> >

> > Anyhoo... I'm sure we would both come up with something

> completely

> > different if we actually saw the patient. lol

> > Thanks for the banter.

> >

> > Kelvin

> >

> > Chinese Medicine , " Alon

> Marcus "

> > <alonmarcus@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I have treated many first MTP arthritis and i know what you

> suggest

> > will not result in pain free gait. A bone spur is only found in

a

> > patient with significant mechanical stress. The bone spur in

> > completely immaterial to the pt symptoms. You can reduce

symptoms

> > with herbs both internally and externally but you cannot get

rid

> of

> > the problem unless you treat the mechanics of the foot that

lead

> to

> > it in the first place. Saying that some pt develop MTP swelling

> due

> > to trauma and in some of them you can treat it with herbs and

> acup

> > and get rid or the symptoms

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> > > Chinese Medicine

> > > Sunday, May 06, 2007 9:08 PM

> > > Re: bone spurs

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> > > Didn't hear anyone say, " Don't treat the root problem! "

> > > Anyway, I never say never (opps, just said it twice).

> > > It will make the spur smaller and get her walking without

pain,

> > > however. (stabbing a 28guage needle ito it usually clears it

> up).

> > > Making the pain go away is a good way to show how the

medicine

> > works

> > > to get a commitment on treating the root problem. Sometimes

if

> > you

> > > don't know the external herbal remedies and go the long way

of

> > > treating a root problem, they give up before they are better,

> > > thinking of how much they spent for no results.

> > >

> > > Kelvin

> > >

> > > Chinese Medicine , " Alon

> > Marcus "

> > > <alonmarcus@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Just to point out that an arthritic MTP treated with herbs

> will

> > > never treat the root of the problem.

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> > > > Chinese Medicine

> > > > Sunday, May 06, 2007 8:32 PM

> > > > Re: bone spurs

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> > > >

> > > > Seems you got every answer except what you are looking for.

> > > >

> > > > Dieda Zhengtong Yaogao, also known as " 701 plaster "

> > > > This only for chronic non red/warm bone spurs.(if it's

> red/warm

> > > let

> > > > me now and I'll give you a plaster for that)

> > > >

> > > > You might want to work on her diet as well.

> > > >

> > > > Kelvin

> > > >

> > > > Chinese Medicine , Andrea

> > Beth

> > > > Damsky <@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi All,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am interested in topical treatments for bone spurs in

the

> > > feet.

> > > > In particular, the patient is a 50-year old female with a

> > history

> > > of

> > > > swelling of her feet in warm weather that she remembers

since

> > age

> > > > 12. The bone spur is in the first metatarsophylangeal joint

> of

> > > the

> > > > right foot (where the foot joint the big toe), and the

joint

> is

> > > > obviously enlarged and makes purchasing shoes that fit

> > > comfortably

> > > > difficult. There is also pain in the joint after walking in

> > shoes

> > > > that don't have enough arch support. She has had flat feet

> > since

> > > > childhood. Lastly, related to the foot particularly, she

> > > remembers

> > > > jamming this big toe into a wall while running barefoot

once

> in

> > > her

> > > > early 20's, and believes this is the cause of the bone spur.

> > > > >

> > > > > Constitutionally, she is overweight at 5'2 " and 165

pounds,

> > > with

> > > > deficient spleen, kidney and lung qi, phlegm damp in the

> lungs

> > > and

> > > > chronic phlegm heat in the sinuses. She also exhibits signs

> and

> > > > symptoms of stagnant liver qi and blood - sore muscles that

> > > > occasionally cramp (diagnosed with fibromyalgia many years

> > ago),

> > > > varicose veins, and emotional irritability with a dusky

> tongue

> > > that

> > > > is puffy, with a medium-thickness, slightly dry and

slightly

> > > yellow

> > > > coat. She is currently experiencing irregular menses,

> > approaching

> > > > menopause. In recent years she has also exhibited kidney-

> liver

> > > yin

> > > > deficiency, generating internal wind with ocular migraines

> and

> > > > frequent headaches in summer and fall. She has a tendency

to

> be

> > > cold

> > > > or overheated (when running low-grade fevers) in the

mornings

> > and

> > > hot

> > > > in the afternoons and evenings, but not always.

> > > > >

> > > > > Her pulse is slightly rapid, weak, small, and soft with

> > kidney

> > > > pulse very deficient. Her blood pressure has always been

low,

> > > > between 80/50 and 96/60 in the mornings, and up to 110/70

in

> > the

> > > > afternoons.

> > > > >

> > > > > She is more interested in topical applications for the

bone

> > > spur

> > > > than internal use of herbs. Any suggestions? I know John

Chen

> > has

> > > > an herb formula which he claims will dissolve spurs (Flex

> > Spur),

> > > but

> > > > I am wondering if topical application of any herbs can also

> be

> > > > effective?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you,

> > > > >

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