Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Hi Lynn, Three suggestions: first, consider that the problem may be that the medicines are in ready made pill form, rather than the herbs themselves. To the best of my recollection, the process involves binding them with corn starch, and I know that corn is among the most hyper-sensitive of foods. So it could be salicylates or it could be the pills themselves. Second, try to find someone in your neck of the woods who is familiar with Bioset allergy desensitization. Just a quick anecdote: A year ago, I had a patient who was so allergic to wine (grapes, as you know are a major salicyate), that when she would even sip on wine, her face would break out like a strawberry. After a Bioset treatment (I do it a little differently as I use acupuncture instead of acupressure), she has been able to drink wine without any reaction. Third, consider including the formula Yu Ping Feng San, prophylactically, along with any formula you would write for yourself addressing your differential diagnosis. Hope you feel better! Yehuda " J. Lynn Detamore " <lynndetamore wrote: i have distressing problem with herbal medicine, personally. it's making me itch. once it starts it's bad and doesn't go away soon. a couple times i've popped my benadryl. i am sensitive to salicylates. as is common, how active this is depends on overall histamine load. this yr, pollen in rural western oregon is heavy. lately, i've been popping capsules like candy, emphasising oregon grape, to knock this sinusitus that had me hardly able to get outta bed. oh, i did use a 2 oz lomatium, higher risk, but i didn't use the 2 oz together, and finished it several days ago. have u run into this b4? i put myself on herbs to replace a htn rx, if i have to take allegra to keep taking them i would not :-( thanks so much for any contribution! lynn Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 i have distressing problem with herbal medicine, personally. it's making me itch. once it starts it's bad and doesn't go away soon. a couple times i've popped my benadryl. i am sensitive to salicylates. as is common, how active this is depends on overall histamine load. this yr, pollen in rural western oregon is heavy. lately, i've been popping capsules like candy, emphasising oregon grape, to knock this sinusitus that had me hardly able to get outta bed. oh, i did use a 2 oz lomatium, higher risk, but i didn't use the 2 oz together, and finished it several days ago. have u run into this b4? i put myself on herbs to replace a htn rx, if i have to take allegra to keep taking them i would not :-( thanks so much for any contribution! lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 thanks for the formula suggestion, yehuda. i will try adding that to my current regime. i do have proven hx of salicylate rxn, too, tho. the worst was mixed italian herbs. red skin, welts, tight chest and shortness of breath, for real. thyme alone was almost that bad. thank you 4 the bioset idea. also. lynn --- < wrote: > Hi Lynn, > > Three suggestions: first, consider that the problem may be that the medicines are in ready made pill form, rather than the herbs themselves. To the best of my recollection, the process involves binding them with corn starch, and I know that corn is among the most hyper-sensitive of foods. So it could be salicylates or it could be the pills themselves. Second, try to find someone in your neck of the woods who is familiar with Bioset allergy desensitization. Just a quick anecdote: A year ago, I had a patient who was so allergic to wine (grapes, as you know are a major salicyate), that when she would even sip on wine, her face would break out like a strawberry. After a Bioset treatment (I do it a little differently as I use acupuncture instead of acupressure), she has been able to drink wine without any reaction. Third, consider including the formula Yu Ping Feng San, prophylactically, along with any formula you would write for yourself addressing your differential > diagnosis. > > Hope you feel better! > > Yehuda > > " J. Lynn Detamore " <lynndetamore wrote: > i have distressing problem with herbal medicine, personally. it's making me itch. once it starts it's bad and doesn't go away soon. a couple times i've popped my benadryl. i am sensitive to salicylates. as is common, how active this is depends on overall histamine load. this yr, pollen in rural western oregon is heavy. lately, i've been popping capsules like candy, emphasising oregon grape, to knock this sinusitus that had me hardly able to get outta bed. oh, i did use a 2 oz lomatium, higher risk, but i didn't use the 2 oz together, and finished it several days ago. have u run into this b4? i put myself on herbs to replace a htn rx, if i have to take allegra to keep taking them i would not :-( thanks so much for any contribution! lynn > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Autos. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 Lynn, it looks like you are a client looking for advice and this group cannot do that. If you let us know where you are located, we can probably find a practitioner in the area where you live. Chinese medicine works well for allergies. .. Sincerely, Angela Pfaffenberger, PhD PS. We have moved and my email address has changed. My new address is: angela.pf Phone: 503 589 9825 Cell: 503 453 0526 (Portland exchange) Mailing address: 8678 Skyline Road Salem, OR 97306 - J. Lynn Detamore Chinese Medicine ; Friday, April 13, 2007 7:59 AM salicylate sensitivity + herbs i have distressing problem with herbal medicine, personally. it's making me itch. once it starts it's bad and doesn't go away soon. a couple times i've popped my benadryl. i am sensitive to salicylates. as is common, how active this is depends on overall histamine load. this yr, pollen in rural western oregon is heavy. lately, i've been popping capsules like candy, emphasising oregon grape, to knock this sinusitus that had me hardly able to get outta bed. oh, i did use a 2 oz lomatium, higher risk, but i didn't use the 2 oz together, and finished it several days ago. have u run into this b4? i put myself on herbs to replace a htn rx, if i have to take allegra to keep taking them i would not :-( thanks so much for any contribution! lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 I have found that the flavonoid proanthocyanidin has been useful for many patients with allergies. You have probably heard of it. It stabilizes mast cells which are what produces histamine. It is derived either from grape seed or from the maritime pine tree, in which case it is often referred to with the trade name 'pycnogenol'. The derivation of the former may be more environmentally friendly, but folks seem to differ as to which they find most effective. Should be 150 mg daily in divided doses. Combining it with buffered Vit. C might enhance its effect. I often try this first, perhaps combined also with quercetin, another flavonoid. A simple and useful nutrient with antioxidant effect and capillary strengthening, easily obtainable. Sometimes this is sufficient for relief, but if relief is only partial, as in heavy allergy seasons, I then move on to herbal remedies while continuing the proanthocyanidin. Gezundheit, Ann i have distressing problem with herbal medicine, personally. it's making me itch. once it starts it's bad and doesn't go away soon. a couple times i've popped my benadryl. i am sensitive to salicylates. as is common, how active this is depends on overall histamine load. this yr, pollen in rural western oregon is heavy. lately, i've been popping capsules like candy, emphasising oregon grape, to knock this sinusitus that had me hardly able to get outta bed. oh, i did use a 2 oz lomatium, higher risk, but i didn't use the 2 oz together, and finished it several days ago. have u run into this b4? i put myself on herbs to replace a htn rx, if i have to take allegra to keep taking them i would not :-( thanks so much for any contribution! lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 thanks, ann. oh, yes, i know about flavinoids and quercitin. -btw i have run into a good number of folks whove had ents or neurotologists recommend flavs or lemon flavs for tinnitus, need to do some research myself b4 i am comfortable dispensing that as advice to patients. thx for the blessing too lynn --- <snakeoil.works wrote: > I have found that the flavonoid proanthocyanidin has been useful for many patients with allergies. You have probably heard of it. It stabilizes mast cells which are what produces histamine. It is derived either from grape seed or from the maritime pine tree, in which case it is often referred to with the trade name 'pycnogenol'. The derivation of the former may be more environmentally friendly, but folks seem to differ as to which they find most effective. Should be 150 mg daily in divided doses. Combining it with buffered Vit. C might enhance its effect. > > I often try this first, perhaps combined also with quercetin, another flavonoid. A simple and useful nutrient with antioxidant effect and capillary strengthening, easily obtainable. Sometimes this is sufficient for relief, but if relief is only partial, as in heavy allergy seasons, I then move on to herbal remedies while continuing the proanthocyanidin. > > Gezundheit, > Ann > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 In fact, I am a licensed and board certified acupuncturist. I have been, and am still acupuncturist much more than herbalist. However, to more effectively prescribe-dispense dietary and limited herbal medicine, I figured I ought to 'explore' this salicylate 'thing.' Increasingly, I run into patients and other folks who are also salicylate sensitive, or at high risk b/c of apparent high histamine load. Obviously, as I have more options for myself in this regard, I also have more options for patients. I really appreciate that now I have Chinese herbs to try in dealing with this, besides more nutriceuticals I am not near my books right now, but in the Nei Jing Ch'i Po certainly talks about learning by observing oneself. In this case, I had the 'blessing' of such an opportunity in my lap. Lynn J. Lynn Detamore, MS, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. Valley Mobile Acupuncture 503.474.8876 PO Box 14 Sheridan, OR 97378 " Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. " <angela.pf Chinese Medicine Saturday, April 14, 2007 7:42:06 AM Re: salicylate sensitivity + herbs Lynn, it looks like you are a client looking for advice and this group cannot do that. If you let us know where you are located, we can probably find a practitioner in the area where you live. Chinese medicine works well for allergies. .. Sincerely, Angela Pfaffenberger, PhD PS. We have moved and my email address has changed. My new address is: angela.pf (AT) netzero (DOT) com Phone: 503 589 9825 Cell: 503 453 0526 (Portland exchange) Mailing address: 8678 Skyline Road Salem, OR 97306 - J. Lynn Detamore ; @ . com Friday, April 13, 2007 7:59 AM salicylate sensitivity + herbs i have distressing problem with herbal medicine, personally. it's making me itch. once it starts it's bad and doesn't go away soon. a couple times i've popped my benadryl. i am sensitive to salicylates. as is common, how active this is depends on overall histamine load... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 One other idea that I would like to mention to you, Lynn, The Feingold Association. But even if you are already familiar with it, for others with salicylate sensitivity, I would strongly recommend looking them up,at: http://www.feingold.org/ It is (to quote them) " ...an organization of families and professionals, dedicated to helping children and adults apply dietary techniques for better behavior, learning and health, based upon the work of Pediatric allergist Dr. Ben Feingold. " The Feingold program is a well researched and extremely successful elimination dietary protocol, which eliminates salicylates, artificial colorings, flavorings, preservatives and aspartame. HOPE YOU FEEL BETTER SOON!!! Yehuda " J. Lynn Detamore " <lynndetamore wrote: In fact, I am a licensed and board certified acupuncturist. I have been, and am still acupuncturist much more than herbalist. However, to more effectively prescribe-dispense dietary and limited herbal medicine, I figured I ought to 'explore' this salicylate 'thing.' Increasingly, I run into patients and other folks who are also salicylate sensitive, or at high risk b/c of apparent high histamine load. Obviously, as I have more options for myself in this regard, I also have more options for patients. I really appreciate that now I have Chinese herbs to try in dealing with this, besides more nutriceuticals I am not near my books right now, but in the Nei Jing Ch'i Po certainly talks about learning by observing oneself. In this case, I had the 'blessing' of such an opportunity in my lap. Lynn J. Lynn Detamore, MS, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. Valley Mobile Acupuncture 503.474.8876 PO Box 14 Sheridan, OR 97378 " Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. " <angela.pf Chinese Medicine Saturday, April 14, 2007 7:42:06 AM Re: salicylate sensitivity + herbs Lynn, it looks like you are a client looking for advice and this group cannot do that. If you let us know where you are located, we can probably find a practitioner in the area where you live. Chinese medicine works well for allergies. .. Sincerely, Angela Pfaffenberger, PhD PS. We have moved and my email address has changed. My new address is: angela.pf (AT) netzero (DOT) com Phone: 503 589 9825 Cell: 503 453 0526 (Portland exchange) Mailing address: 8678 Skyline Road Salem, OR 97306 - J. Lynn Detamore ; @ . com Friday, April 13, 2007 7:59 AM salicylate sensitivity + herbs i have distressing problem with herbal medicine, personally. it's making me itch. once it starts it's bad and doesn't go away soon. a couple times i've popped my benadryl. i am sensitive to salicylates. as is common, how active this is depends on overall histamine load... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 thanks, yehuda. i will check them out. seems like i heard of them in school, a teacher was 'into' a plan similar to dr f. time to look it up. hey, i am great most of the time, the willamette valley is beautiful now, too. thx again, lynn [] wrote: One other idea that I would like to mention to you, Lynn, The Feingold Association. But even if you are already familiar with it, for others with salicylate sensitivity, I would strongly recommend looking them up,at: http://www.feingold.org/ It is (to quote them) " ...an organization of families and professionals, dedicated to helping children and adults apply dietary techniques for better behavior, learning and health, based upon the work of Pediatric allergist Dr. Ben Feingold. " The Feingold program is a well researched and extremely successful elimination dietary protocol, which eliminates salicylates, artificial colorings, flavorings, preservatives and aspartame. HOPE YOU FEEL BETTER SOON!!! Yehuda " J. Lynn Detamore " <lynndetamore wrote: In fact, I am a licensed and board certified acupuncturist. I have been, and am still acupuncturist much more than herbalist. However, to more effectively prescribe-dispense dietary and limited herbal medicine, I figured I ought to 'explore' this salicylate 'thing.' Increasingly, I run into patients and other folks who are also salicylate sensitive, or at high risk b/c of apparent high histamine load. Obviously, as I have more options for myself in this regard, I also have more options for patients. I really appreciate that now I have Chinese herbs to try in dealing with this, besides more nutriceuticals I am not near my books right now, but in the Nei Jing Ch'i Po certainly talks about learning by observing oneself. In this case, I had the 'blessing' of such an opportunity in my lap. Lynn J. Lynn Detamore, MS, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. Valley Mobile Acupuncture 503.474.8876 PO Box 14 Sheridan, OR 97378 " Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. " <angela.pf Chinese Medicine Saturday, April 14, 2007 7:42:06 AM Re: salicylate sensitivity + herbs Lynn, it looks like you are a client looking for advice and this group cannot do that. If you let us know where you are located, we can probably find a practitioner in the area where you live. Chinese medicine works well for allergies. .. Sincerely, Angela Pfaffenberger, PhD PS. We have moved and my email address has changed. My new address is: angela.pf (AT) netzero (DOT) com Phone: 503 589 9825 Cell: 503 453 0526 (Portland exchange) Mailing address: 8678 Skyline Road Salem, OR 97306 - J. Lynn Detamore ; @ . com Friday, April 13, 2007 7:59 AM salicylate sensitivity + herbs i have distressing problem with herbal medicine, personally. it's making me itch. once it starts it's bad and doesn't go away soon. a couple times i've popped my benadryl. i am sensitive to salicylates. as is common, how active this is depends on overall histamine load... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Lynn, Lomatium is notorious for creating this kind of response and it can last a very long time. Properly prepared lomatium is slow decocted for a very long time with the scum removed (sort of like ephedra). Tinctures, freeze dried lomatium and dry root powder all can cause it, as can the live plant. Steroids won't help at all, but you probably weren't going to take them. It is probably the furanocoumarins in the plant and you can look at those constituents in other herbs you take. Fang feng is related to lomatium, so you may want to avoid it, along with other apiaceae.. As far as reducing your overall allergenic load, look to cleaning your bedroom to avoid triggers for 7-8 hours a night. I have seen good responses where carpets, drapes, extra books, pets and unnecessary bedding are removed and an air cleaner is installed. The period of relative trigger-free time will help reduce your overall reactivity. If you are sensitive to pollens, try to avoid flower herbs, especially composites. In fact composites altogether can be problematic, Dandelion root can be quite helpful in reducing the effect, as well as fish oil, freeze-dried nettles, quercetin and grape seed extract. Karen S. Vaughan, L.Ac., MSTOM Licensed Acupuncturist, and Herbalist Creationsgarden1 253 Garfield Place Brooklyn, NY 11215 (718) 622-6755 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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