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Hi Lynn,

 

Three suggestions: first, consider that the problem may be that the medicines

are in ready made pill form, rather than the herbs themselves. To the best of

my recollection, the process involves binding them with corn starch, and I know

that corn is among the most hyper-sensitive of foods. So it could be

salicylates or it could be the pills themselves. Second, try to find someone in

your neck of the woods who is familiar with Bioset allergy desensitization.

Just a quick anecdote: A year ago, I had a patient who was so allergic to wine

(grapes, as you know are a major salicyate), that when she would even sip on

wine, her face would break out like a strawberry. After a Bioset treatment (I

do it a little differently as I use acupuncture instead of acupressure), she has

been able to drink wine without any reaction. Third, consider including the

formula Yu Ping Feng San, prophylactically, along with any formula you would

write for yourself addressing your differential

diagnosis.

 

Hope you feel better!

 

Yehuda

 

" J. Lynn Detamore " <lynndetamore wrote:

i have distressing problem with herbal medicine, personally. it's

making me itch. once it starts it's bad and doesn't go away soon. a couple times

i've popped my benadryl. i am sensitive to salicylates. as is common, how active

this is depends on overall histamine load. this yr, pollen in rural western

oregon is heavy. lately, i've been popping capsules like candy, emphasising

oregon grape, to knock this sinusitus that had me hardly able to get outta bed.

oh, i did use a 2 oz lomatium, higher risk, but i didn't use the 2 oz together,

and finished it several days ago. have u run into this b4? i put myself on herbs

to replace a htn rx, if i have to take allegra to keep taking them i would not

:-( thanks so much for any contribution! lynn

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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i have distressing problem with herbal medicine, personally. it's making me

itch. once it starts it's bad and doesn't go away soon. a couple times i've

popped my benadryl. i am sensitive to salicylates. as is common, how active this

is depends on overall histamine load. this yr, pollen in rural western oregon is

heavy. lately, i've been popping capsules like candy, emphasising oregon grape,

to knock this sinusitus that had me hardly able to get outta bed. oh, i did use

a 2 oz lomatium, higher risk, but i didn't use the 2 oz together, and finished

it several days ago. have u run into this b4? i put myself on herbs to replace a

htn rx, if i have to take allegra to keep taking them i would not :-( thanks so

much for any contribution! lynn

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thanks for the formula suggestion, yehuda. i will

try adding that to my current regime. i do have

proven hx of salicylate rxn, too, tho. the worst

was mixed italian herbs. red skin, welts, tight

chest and shortness of breath, for real. thyme

alone was almost that bad. thank you 4 the bioset

idea. also. lynn

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< wrote:

> Hi Lynn,

>

> Three suggestions: first, consider that the

problem may be that the medicines are in ready

made pill form, rather than the herbs themselves.

To the best of my recollection, the process

involves binding them with corn starch, and I

know that corn is among the most hyper-sensitive

of foods. So it could be salicylates or it could

be the pills themselves. Second, try to find

someone in your neck of the woods who is familiar

with Bioset allergy desensitization. Just a

quick anecdote: A year ago, I had a patient who

was so allergic to wine (grapes, as you know are

a major salicyate), that when she would even sip

on wine, her face would break out like a

strawberry. After a Bioset treatment (I do it a

little differently as I use acupuncture instead

of acupressure), she has been able to drink wine

without any reaction. Third, consider including

the formula Yu Ping Feng San, prophylactically,

along with any formula you would write for

yourself addressing your differential

> diagnosis.

>

> Hope you feel better!

>

> Yehuda

>

> " J. Lynn Detamore " <lynndetamore

wrote:

> i have distressing problem with

herbal medicine, personally. it's making me itch.

once it starts it's bad and doesn't go away soon.

a couple times i've popped my benadryl. i am

sensitive to salicylates. as is common, how

active this is depends on overall histamine load.

this yr, pollen in rural western oregon is heavy.

lately, i've been popping capsules like candy,

emphasising oregon grape, to knock this sinusitus

that had me hardly able to get outta bed. oh, i

did use a 2 oz lomatium, higher risk, but i

didn't use the 2 oz together, and finished it

several days ago. have u run into this b4? i put

myself on herbs to replace a htn rx, if i have to

take allegra to keep taking them i would not :-(

thanks so much for any contribution! lynn

>

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>

> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car "

smell?

> Check outnew cars at Autos.

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Lynn, it looks like you are a client looking for advice and this group cannot do

that. If you let us know where you are located, we can probably find a

practitioner in the area where you live. Chinese medicine works well for

allergies.

..

Sincerely,

Angela Pfaffenberger, PhD

 

PS. We have moved and my email address has changed.

My new address is:

angela.pf

 

Phone: 503 589 9825

Cell: 503 453 0526 (Portland exchange)

 

Mailing address:

8678 Skyline Road

Salem, OR 97306

 

-

J. Lynn Detamore

Chinese Medicine ;

 

Friday, April 13, 2007 7:59 AM

salicylate sensitivity + herbs

 

 

i have distressing problem with herbal medicine, personally. it's making me

itch. once it starts it's bad and doesn't go away soon. a couple times i've

popped my benadryl. i am sensitive to salicylates. as is common, how active this

is depends on overall histamine load. this yr, pollen in rural western oregon is

heavy. lately, i've been popping capsules like candy, emphasising oregon grape,

to knock this sinusitus that had me hardly able to get outta bed. oh, i did use

a 2 oz lomatium, higher risk, but i didn't use the 2 oz together, and finished

it several days ago. have u run into this b4? i put myself on herbs to replace a

htn rx, if i have to take allegra to keep taking them i would not :-( thanks so

much for any contribution! lynn

 

 

 

 

 

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I have found that the flavonoid proanthocyanidin has been useful for many

patients with allergies. You have probably heard of it. It stabilizes mast cells

which are what produces histamine. It is derived either from grape seed or from

the maritime pine tree, in which case it is often referred to with the trade

name 'pycnogenol'. The derivation of the former may be more environmentally

friendly, but folks seem to differ as to which they find most effective. Should

be 150 mg daily in divided doses. Combining it with buffered Vit. C might

enhance its effect.

 

I often try this first, perhaps combined also with quercetin, another flavonoid.

A simple and useful nutrient with antioxidant effect and capillary

strengthening, easily obtainable. Sometimes this is sufficient for relief, but

if relief is only partial, as in heavy allergy seasons, I then move on to herbal

remedies while continuing the proanthocyanidin.

 

Gezundheit,

Ann

 

 

 

i have distressing problem with herbal medicine, personally. it's making me

itch. once it starts it's bad and doesn't go away soon. a couple times i've

popped my benadryl. i am sensitive to salicylates. as is common, how active this

is depends on overall histamine load. this yr, pollen in rural western oregon is

heavy. lately, i've been popping capsules like candy, emphasising oregon grape,

to knock this sinusitus that had me hardly able to get outta bed. oh, i did use

a 2 oz lomatium, higher risk, but i didn't use the 2 oz together, and finished

it several days ago. have u run into this b4? i put myself on herbs to replace a

htn rx, if i have to take allegra to keep taking them i would not :-( thanks so

much for any contribution! lynn

 

 

 

 

 

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thanks, ann. oh, yes, i know about flavinoids and

quercitin. -btw i have run into a good number of

folks whove had ents or neurotologists recommend

flavs or lemon flavs for tinnitus, need to do

some research myself b4 i am comfortable

dispensing that as advice to patients. thx for

the blessing too :) lynn

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<snakeoil.works wrote:

> I have found that the flavonoid

proanthocyanidin has been useful for many

patients with allergies. You have probably heard

of it. It stabilizes mast cells which are what

produces histamine. It is derived either from

grape seed or from the maritime pine tree, in

which case it is often referred to with the trade

name 'pycnogenol'. The derivation of the former

may be more environmentally friendly, but folks

seem to differ as to which they find most

effective. Should be 150 mg daily in divided

doses. Combining it with buffered Vit. C might

enhance its effect.

>

> I often try this first, perhaps combined also

with quercetin, another flavonoid. A simple and

useful nutrient with antioxidant effect and

capillary strengthening, easily obtainable.

Sometimes this is sufficient for relief, but if

relief is only partial, as in heavy allergy

seasons, I then move on to herbal remedies while

continuing the proanthocyanidin.

>

> Gezundheit,

> Ann

>

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In fact, I am a licensed and board certified acupuncturist. I have been, and am

still acupuncturist much more than herbalist. However, to more effectively

prescribe-dispense dietary and limited herbal medicine, I figured I ought to

'explore' this salicylate 'thing.' Increasingly, I run into patients and other

folks who are also salicylate sensitive, or at high risk b/c of apparent high

histamine load.

 

Obviously, as I have more options for myself in this regard, I also have more

options for patients. I really appreciate that now I have Chinese herbs to try

in dealing with this, besides more nutriceuticals :) I am not near my books

right now, but in the Nei Jing Ch'i Po certainly talks about learning by

observing oneself. In this case, I had the 'blessing' of such an opportunity in

my lap.

 

Lynn

 

J. Lynn Detamore, MS, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

Valley Mobile Acupuncture

503.474.8876

 

PO Box 14

Sheridan, OR 97378

 

 

 

 

" Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. " <angela.pf

Chinese Medicine

Saturday, April 14, 2007 7:42:06 AM

Re: salicylate sensitivity + herbs

 

Lynn, it looks like you are a client looking for advice and this group cannot do

that. If you let us know where you are located, we can probably find a

practitioner in the area where you live. Chinese medicine works well for

allergies.

..

Sincerely,

Angela Pfaffenberger, PhD

 

PS. We have moved and my email address has changed.

My new address is:

angela.pf (AT) netzero (DOT) com

 

Phone: 503 589 9825

Cell: 503 453 0526 (Portland exchange)

 

Mailing address:

8678 Skyline Road

Salem, OR 97306

 

-

J. Lynn Detamore

; @

. com

Friday, April 13, 2007 7:59 AM

salicylate sensitivity + herbs

 

i have distressing problem with herbal medicine, personally. it's making me

itch. once it starts it's bad and doesn't go away soon. a couple times i've

popped my benadryl. i am sensitive to salicylates. as is common, how active this

is depends on overall histamine load...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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One other idea that I would like to mention to you, Lynn, The Feingold

Association. But even if you are already familiar with it, for others with

salicylate sensitivity, I would strongly recommend looking them up,at:

http://www.feingold.org/ It is (to quote them) " ...an organization of families

and professionals, dedicated to helping children and adults apply dietary

techniques for better behavior, learning and health, based upon the work of

Pediatric allergist Dr. Ben Feingold. " The Feingold program is a well

researched and extremely successful elimination dietary protocol, which

eliminates salicylates, artificial colorings, flavorings, preservatives and

aspartame.

 

HOPE YOU FEEL BETTER SOON!!!

 

Yehuda

" J. Lynn Detamore " <lynndetamore wrote:

In fact, I am a licensed and board certified acupuncturist. I have

been, and am still acupuncturist much more than herbalist. However, to more

effectively prescribe-dispense dietary and limited herbal medicine, I figured I

ought to 'explore' this salicylate 'thing.' Increasingly, I run into patients

and other folks who are also salicylate sensitive, or at high risk b/c of

apparent high histamine load.

 

Obviously, as I have more options for myself in this regard, I also have more

options for patients. I really appreciate that now I have Chinese herbs to try

in dealing with this, besides more nutriceuticals :) I am not near my books

right now, but in the Nei Jing Ch'i Po certainly talks about learning by

observing oneself. In this case, I had the 'blessing' of such an opportunity in

my lap.

 

Lynn

 

J. Lynn Detamore, MS, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

Valley Mobile Acupuncture

503.474.8876

 

PO Box 14

Sheridan, OR 97378

 

 

 

 

" Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. " <angela.pf

Chinese Medicine

Saturday, April 14, 2007 7:42:06 AM

Re: salicylate sensitivity + herbs

 

Lynn, it looks like you are a client looking for advice and this group cannot do

that. If you let us know where you are located, we can probably find a

practitioner in the area where you live. Chinese medicine works well for

allergies.

..

Sincerely,

Angela Pfaffenberger, PhD

 

PS. We have moved and my email address has changed.

My new address is:

angela.pf (AT) netzero (DOT) com

 

Phone: 503 589 9825

Cell: 503 453 0526 (Portland exchange)

 

Mailing address:

8678 Skyline Road

Salem, OR 97306

 

-

J. Lynn Detamore

; @

. com

Friday, April 13, 2007 7:59 AM

salicylate sensitivity + herbs

 

i have distressing problem with herbal medicine, personally. it's making me

itch. once it starts it's bad and doesn't go away soon. a couple times i've

popped my benadryl. i am sensitive to salicylates. as is common, how active this

is depends on overall histamine load...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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thanks, yehuda. i will check them out. seems like i heard of them in school, a

teacher was 'into' a plan similar to dr f. time to look it up. hey, i am great

most of the time, the willamette valley is beautiful now, too. thx again, lynn

 

[] wrote:

One other idea that I would like to mention to you, Lynn, The Feingold

Association. But even if you are already familiar with it, for others with

salicylate sensitivity, I would strongly recommend looking them up,at:

http://www.feingold.org/ It is (to quote them) " ...an organization of families

and professionals, dedicated to helping children and adults apply dietary

techniques for better behavior, learning and health, based upon the work of

Pediatric allergist Dr. Ben Feingold. " The Feingold program is a well

researched and extremely successful elimination dietary protocol, which

eliminates salicylates, artificial colorings, flavorings, preservatives and

aspartame.

 

HOPE YOU FEEL BETTER SOON!!!

 

Yehuda

" J. Lynn Detamore " <lynndetamore wrote:

In fact, I am a licensed and board certified acupuncturist. I have

been, and am still acupuncturist much more than herbalist. However, to more

effectively prescribe-dispense dietary and limited herbal medicine, I figured I

ought to 'explore' this salicylate 'thing.' Increasingly, I run into patients

and other folks who are also salicylate sensitive, or at high risk b/c of

apparent high histamine load.

 

Obviously, as I have more options for myself in this regard, I also have more

options for patients. I really appreciate that now I have Chinese herbs to try

in dealing with this, besides more nutriceuticals :) I am not near my books

right now, but in the Nei Jing Ch'i Po certainly talks about learning by

observing oneself. In this case, I had the 'blessing' of such an opportunity in

my lap.

 

Lynn

 

J. Lynn Detamore, MS, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

Valley Mobile Acupuncture

503.474.8876

 

PO Box 14

Sheridan, OR 97378

 

 

 

 

" Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. " <angela.pf

Chinese Medicine

Saturday, April 14, 2007 7:42:06 AM

Re: salicylate sensitivity + herbs

 

Lynn, it looks like you are a client looking for advice and this group cannot do

that. If you let us know where you are located, we can probably find a

practitioner in the area where you live. Chinese medicine works well for

allergies.

..

Sincerely,

Angela Pfaffenberger, PhD

 

PS. We have moved and my email address has changed.

My new address is:

angela.pf (AT) netzero (DOT) com

 

Phone: 503 589 9825

Cell: 503 453 0526 (Portland exchange)

 

Mailing address:

8678 Skyline Road

Salem, OR 97306

 

-

J. Lynn Detamore

; @

. com

Friday, April 13, 2007 7:59 AM

salicylate sensitivity + herbs

 

i have distressing problem with herbal medicine, personally. it's making me

itch. once it starts it's bad and doesn't go away soon. a couple times i've

popped my benadryl. i am sensitive to salicylates. as is common, how active this

is depends on overall histamine load...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Lynn,

 

Lomatium is notorious for creating this kind of response and it can last a

very long time. Properly prepared lomatium is slow decocted for a very long

time with the scum removed (sort of like ephedra). Tinctures, freeze dried

lomatium and dry root powder all can cause it, as can the live plant. Steroids

won't help at all, but you probably weren't going to take them. It is

probably the furanocoumarins in the plant and you can look at those

constituents in

other herbs you take. Fang feng is related to lomatium, so you may want to

avoid it, along with other apiaceae..

 

As far as reducing your overall allergenic load, look to cleaning your

bedroom to avoid triggers for 7-8 hours a night. I have seen good responses

where

carpets, drapes, extra books, pets and unnecessary bedding are removed and

an air cleaner is installed. The period of relative trigger-free time will

help reduce your overall reactivity. If you are sensitive to pollens, try to

avoid flower herbs, especially composites. In fact composites altogether

can be problematic, Dandelion root can be quite helpful in reducing the

effect, as well as fish oil, freeze-dried nettles, quercetin and grape seed

extract.

 

 

Karen S. Vaughan, L.Ac., MSTOM

Licensed Acupuncturist, and Herbalist

Creationsgarden1

253 Garfield Place

Brooklyn, NY 11215

 

(718) 622-6755

 

 

 

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