Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 i posted this a few days ago but it never went up for some reason so here it is again... the other day I tried out this foot detox. by the end of the 1/2 hour my knees started to hurt. the rest of the day and all the next day my kidneys down to my feet hurt so badly, mostly along the gb, kd, and ub chans. I've never had sciatica and the nearest I've had to this pain in my life was 2 yrs ago after giving birth. has anyone got any experience with this and can say what was going on? I was thinking of trying it once more to see what happens but it was pretty severe pain and i thought maybe my ca/mg might have been pulled out or something. if it makes a difference, the water turned orange- brown during the session, with mucousy clouds... is this all bunk? sami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 The water turned orangy brown because one the electrodes being used is iron. The brown color is from iron oxide, not what came from your body. Some people will report some green floating debris which would come from the copper electrode. The manufactures of all these machines suggest that the bulk of what is in the water domes from the electrodes, but the operaters, either through lack of understanding or something else, typically suggests that all of what is seen are toxins coming out of the body. This process does polerize electrolytes and will pull them out, so you are probably correct about the pain coming from an electrolytes imbalance. The manufactures suggest waiting several days between tretments for this reason. There is a good chance you may have been on the low side to begin with. In any case, I would focus on getting electrolytes back in you. Consider long hot Epson salt baths with 1lb of salt and a good mineral supplement. Hope this helps, Chris In a message dated 4/12/2007 12:01:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, herbsnacupnxr writes: i posted this a few days ago but it never went up for some reason so here it is again... the other day I tried out this foot detox. by the end of the 1/2 hour my knees started to hurt. the rest of the day and all the next day my kidneys down to my feet hurt so badly, mostly along the gb, kd, and ub chans. I've never had sciatica and the nearest I've had to this pain in my life was 2 yrs ago after giving birth. has anyone got any experience with this and can say what was going on? I was thinking of trying it once more to see what happens but it was pretty severe pain and i thought maybe my ca/mg might have been pulled out or something. if it makes a difference, the water turned orange- brown during the session, with mucousy clouds... is this all bunk? sami ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Chris, anyone, What's the science behind epsom and other mineral salts for baths and soaks? What are the benefits? Thanks! On 4/12/07, Musiclear <Musiclear wrote: > > > > The water turned orangy brown because one the electrodes being used is > iron. > The brown color is from iron oxide, not what came from your body. Some > people will report some green floating debris which would come from the > copper > electrode. > > The manufactures of all these machines suggest that the bulk of what is > in the water domes from the electrodes, but the operaters, either through > lack of understanding or something else, typically suggests that all of > what is > seen are toxins coming out of the body. > > This process does polerize electrolytes and will pull them out, so you > are probably correct about the pain coming from an electrolytes imbalance. > > The manufactures suggest waiting several days between tretments for this > reason. There is a good chance you may have been on the low side to begin > with. In > any case, I would focus on getting electrolytes back in you. > > Consider long hot Epson salt baths with 1lb of salt and a good mineral > supplement. > > Hope this helps, > > Chris > > > In a message dated 4/12/2007 12:01:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > herbsnacupnxr <herbsnacupnxr%40> writes: > > i posted this a few days ago but it never went up for some reason so > here it is again... > > the other day I tried out this foot detox. by the end of the 1/2 hour > my knees started to hurt. the rest of the day and all the next day my > kidneys down to my feet hurt so badly, mostly along the gb, kd, and ub > chans. I've never had sciatica and the nearest I've had to this pain > in my life was 2 yrs ago after giving birth. > > has anyone got any experience with this and can say what was going on? > I was thinking of trying it once more to see what happens but it was > pretty severe pain and i thought maybe my ca/mg might have been pulled > out or something. if it makes a difference, the water turned orange- > brown during the session, with mucousy clouds... > is this all bunk? > sami > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 I only have my ideas of what might be going on with Epson salt baths, but here goes. Epson salt is typically used for tired sore aching muscles. Why? One guess is magnesium ions protect the nervous system from over excitation and the pain is somewhat subdued from a down regulation of the pain receptors in the nervous system. Also, I know people who use it for muscle cramps. From what I understand, in a loose sense, calcium helps muscles constrict and magnesium helps muscles relax. If a person is having muscle spasms, magnesium can help balance the constriction. In either case, it would seem that magnesium is absorbing into the body from the bath water. Since the results of an Epson salt bath are more pronounced than taking it orally, I am thinking that we are able to uptake more magnesium from the bath than we can orally. These are only my best guesses, so if anyone has some real science on the subject, I am interested also. Chris In a message dated 4/12/2007 9:45:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, johnkokko writes: Chris, anyone, What's the science behind epsom and other mineral salts for baths and soaks? What are the benefits? Thanks! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 About 18 months ago, I, my wife, and my eldest daughter all had one treatment with an ion foot bath. It is true that the water became colored and my feet felt clean afterwards, but none of the three of us were interested in a second treatment. In addition, I noticed that the practitioner who very occasionally rents treatment rooms at our clinic did not have the apparatus with him in subsequent visits the next year. I did notice that the faucet to which the apparatus was hooked up to became noticeably corroded afterwards. At this point, I think that the color of the water after a treatment might be due to the interaction between foot dirt and dead skin cells and the ion detox water. I am a skeptic about this procedure but am open to further explanation and information. As for, epsom soaks and compresses, I frequently recommend these for muscle injury and aches. The caveat is that the baths must feel good immediately and to do them right before bedtime so the warming effects will last longer. " Go everywhere, see everything, say yea, yea and keep a firm seat. " Swami Satchitananda Duncan Chinese Medicine , " Sami Rank LAc " <herbsnacupnxr wrote: > > what's your opinions on this? who has tried it? I did yesterday. > towards the end of the 30 mins my knees started to hurt. all night and > today I have pain from my kidneys down my gb & ub chans to my k1 > points. I 've never had sciatica or anything, except I did experience > a similiar pain after giving birth 2 yrs ago. any opinions on what's > going on? > thank you > sami > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 I was at a seminar a couple of weeks ago and a woman there told me that the foot bath can have a significant impact on bloodwork. She said she has seen large improvements in liver enzymes immediately after a treatment. Treat this purely as anecdotal - I have no specifics, no details on before and after, etc. If anyone here has a foot bath and cares to do a before and after with a px w/ elevated liver enzymes - perhaps we'll all learn something. Personally you'd have to count me in the highly skeptical group. Tim Sharpe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 Dear Duncan, This product was recently featured on a consumer watchdog show here in the UK. Some chemical or other is put into the water which then creates the brownish look when a current is passed through, it happens whether your feet are in it or not! The company who produces it has always denied any detox effect, however those that were marketing it thought different. There is however some benefit from having a gentle electric current passing through your feet, it has been shown to produce relaxation, well being feelings etc so therefore is useful from this point of view and is still being sold. I was curious after a client got one, I suppose the thought that cleansing may be taking place may produce other positive feelings............. I hope this helps to clear this up!?!? Lorraine Hodgkinson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 I encourage patients to use hot foot soaks, with perhaps epsom salts or vinegar (helps the skin, as far as I know). For cold limbs, i.e. winter. Also hot fresh ginger tea to warm limbs. One motivation is a curious saying that appears more than once in the MaWangDui manuscripts (written first half of 2nd Century BCE): " keep your head cool and your feet warm. " One level of meaning here is maintain yang moving down and yin up; at least avoid yin and yang separating by moving oppositely and away from each other. (One of my rationales for this is an interpretation of the fact that yin channels run upward and yang channels downward (from the perspective that the hands are extended above the head), i.e. life/qi moves yin and yang together forming living process, as opposed to yang moving up and yin down, away from each other -- as in death. Similar to a Native American saying that life is the dance of fire and water.) Another perspective is keeping the head cool as in daoist/zen non-attachment, where heat is metaphorically the restless desire of attachments. As in Jeffery Yuen's interpretation of the complex foot-shao-yang/gall-bladder channel on the head as in part to siphon heat away from the brain/shui. Keeping the feet warm would be the taiyang, enabling the primary motion -- extension, walking -- of the sinew channels, hence fundamental muscular activity. -- Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/760 - Release 4/13/2007 8:04 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 A naturopath friend of mine told me that generally the skin should be more acidic, which is why highly acidic products such as noni, vinegar and coffee grounds are helpful on the outside of the body. Any validity to that? Between acidity and alkalinity, can we label one more yin or yang in relation to the other? k. On 4/16/07, < wrote: > > I encourage patients to use hot foot soaks, with perhaps epsom salts > or vinegar (helps the skin, as far as I know). For cold limbs, i.e. > winter. Also hot fresh ginger tea to warm limbs. > > One motivation is a curious saying that appears more than once in the > MaWangDui manuscripts (written first half of 2nd Century BCE): " keep > your head cool and your feet warm. " > > One level of meaning here is maintain yang moving down and yin up; at > least avoid yin and yang separating by moving oppositely and away > from each other. (One of my rationales for this is an interpretation > of the fact that yin channels run upward and yang channels downward > (from the perspective that the hands are extended above the head), > i.e. life/qi moves yin and yang together forming living process, as > opposed to yang moving up and yin down, away from each other -- as in > death. Similar to a Native American saying that life is the dance of > fire and water.) > > Another perspective is keeping the head cool as in daoist/zen > non-attachment, where heat is metaphorically the restless desire of > attachments. As in Jeffery Yuen's interpretation of the complex > foot-shao-yang/gall-bladder channel on the head as in part to siphon > heat away from the brain/shui. Keeping the feet warm would be the > taiyang, enabling the primary motion -- extension, walking -- of the > sinew channels, hence fundamental muscular activity. > > > > -- > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/760 - Release 4/13/2007 > 8:04 PM > > > -- 'Freedom from the desire for an answer is essential to the understanding of a problem.' Jiddu Krishnamurti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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