Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 i wonder what amount of success folks have had tx inguinal hernia where the bulge is still small, but the pressure has become constant? obviously, there is some progression. it started with a january asthma exacerbation+ spasmodic cough for a short time- just long enough! the hernia's bulge was confirmed by dr. how much is it possible to get this bulge 2 retreat, and close the gap? this is something i'm short on experience tx'g. thanks! lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Lynn, Aside from a bulge that started with a cough, what can you tell us regarding your assessment of this subject's constitution? Additionally hat can you tell us about this subject's elimination? Hernia is a classic example of lack of containment. Treating the bulge and gap is pointless without addressing what allowed this condition to occur. Even successful surgical correction (possibly including insertion of teflon mesh to reinforce the wall beneath the muscles) will not cure this problem, only patch the presenting issue. Another case of simply addressing the symptom. Bulging/herniated disks, vericose veins and hemorrhoids may be down the road (maybe there already?) for this subject if the root cause of this condition is not addressed. Mark Z Chinese Medicine , " J. Lynn Detamore " <lynndetamore wrote: > > i wonder what amount of success folks have had tx inguinal hernia where the bulge is still small, but the pressure h as become constant? obviously, there is some progression. it started with a january asthma exacerbation+ spasmodic cough for a short time- just long enough! the hernia's bulge was confirmed by dr. how much is it possible to get this bulge 2 retreat, and close the gap? this is something i'm short on experience tx'g. thanks! lynn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Hi Lynn. Age? First time for a hernia? It has been very important in my practice for these patients to take raw herbs. Local plasters are also helpful, and the local pressure w/ astringing breaths are essential. Hugo _________ Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Mail. http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Hey Mark. Just wanted to add that many people who do get stitched or patched up have no more herniation but can continue with quite a bit of pain. I've had to deal with a number of cases like this. Some cases seem to have more herniation occur after each surgery. Hugo Hernia is a classic example of lack of containment. Treating the bulge and gap is pointless without addressing what allowed this condition to occur. Even successful surgical correction (possibly including insertion of teflon mesh to reinforce the wall beneath the muscles) will not cure this problem, only patch the presenting issue. Another Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 and adjust accordingly. Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely necessary. Change settings via the Web ( ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un Recent Activity 8 New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 Greetings, In my experience after a certain point, treating inguinal hernia is a surgical technique. The pain associated with hernia (pre and post op) can be helped with acupuncture and herbs. After several years (7) of acupuncture, herbal consumption, headstands, shoulder stands, abdominal lifts, I went to Dr. Tung who had been an instructor of mine and a surgeon in China. After examining me he said, " why don't you just get surgery? " He said that hernia surgery was what surgeons started with. After studying the various techniques, I found some one who did the Shouldice (sp?) technique bit the bullet and got the surgery. That was 12 years ago, Have been OK since and I do a lot of lifting and heaving work because of living in the country. Repairing a hernia is not quite like cutting into a joint and typically does work. This is the very common surgery in a certain hospital in India I am familiar with due to the fact that many of its patients are farmers. Regards, Patrick Patrick D. Holiman http://web.mac.com/pholitao http://www.acu-polarity.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 Hi Group, In my experience, if the hernia is very mild, moxa on Kidney 1, Liver 1 is pretty effective. If the hernia can be reduced and not pop back out for several months, it's possible that it will stay that way, unless of course the person does some heavy lifting or something to pop it back out. I've had success on a number of mild cases using this method. Best, Greg -- Greg A. Livingston, PhD(candidate), L.Ac. PR China, 310002 Zhejiang Province, Hangzhou Si Tiao Xiang 23, #602 mobile: 86-571-8171-2217 http://www.myspace.com/doclivy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 Did you try bleeding LIV 1 (at least 10 drops) and then surrounding the area where the hernia is? This, along with LIV and ST points helped a patient I saw when I was in school clinic. Kathleen " J. Lynn Detamore " <lynndetamore wrote: i wonder what amount of success folks have had tx inguinal hernia where the bulge is still small, but the pressure has become constant? obviously, there is some progression. it started with a january asthma exacerbation+ spasmodic cough for a short time- just long enough! the hernia's bulge was confirmed by dr. how much is it possible to get this bulge 2 retreat, and close the gap? this is something i'm short on experience tx'g. thanks! lynn Kathleen Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 The best results i have had in hernia has been using the Tung hand points - Greg Livingston Chinese Medicine Saturday, March 31, 2007 6:40 AM Re:treating inguinal hernia Hi Group, In my experience, if the hernia is very mild, moxa on Kidney 1, Liver 1 is pretty effective. If the hernia can be reduced and not pop back out for several months, it's possible that it will stay that way, unless of course the person does some heavy lifting or something to pop it back out. I've had success on a number of mild cases using this method. Best, Greg -- Greg A. Livingston, PhD(candidate), L.Ac. PR China, 310002 Zhejiang Province, Hangzhou Si Tiao Xiang 23, #602 mobile: 86-571-8171-2217 http://www.myspace.com/doclivy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 thanks for the responses so far. here's more of a consititutional pic: premenopausal woman, late 40's, overweight. hypertension for spleen deficient patrick, i certainly agree that once hernias progress to a certain point, surgery's the best option. Alon Marcus <alonmarcus Chinese Medicine Saturday, March 31, 2007 8:29:21 AM Re: Re:treating inguinal hernia The best results i have had in hernia has been using the Tung hand points www.integrativeheal thmedicine. com - Greg Livingston Saturday, March 31, 2007 6:40 AM Re:treating inguinal hernia Hi Group, In my experience, if the hernia is very mild, moxa on Kidney 1, Liver 1 is pretty effective. If the hernia can be reduced and not pop back out for several months, it's possible that it will stay that way, unless of course the person does some heavy lifting or something to pop it back out. I've had success on a number of mild cases using this method. Best, Greg -- Greg A. Livingston, PhD(candidate) , L.Ac. PR China, 310002 Zhejiang Province, Hangzhou Si Tiao Xiang 23, #602 mobile: 86-571-8171- 2217 http://www.myspace. com/doclivy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 thanks for the responses so far. i don't know what just happened, but i paused while composing, and decided to send my partial mssg. sorry. here's more of a constitutional pic: pre-menopausal woman, late 40's. overweight, htn for ~35 yrs, obviously constitutional issue, not adult onset. meniere's disease in left ear, tinnitus, minor hearing loss- interferes w/ sound discrimination, occas. vertigo but hasn't had all day or overnite vertigo w/emesis since last fall. has had cochlear sx in rt ear w/ fullness, temporary hearing loss, but no vertigo originating in that ear. moderate asthma, worse heavy pollen, but significant shortness of breath w/ fatigue and overwork - QI XU! SPLEEN XU, easy consistent fluid retention, DAMP HEAT - shows up w/sinusitis w/ small amt fresh blood sometimes when blowing nose - much newer sx. QI STAGNATION- works in incredibly stressful environment. is hospital nursing staff, acted as whistle blower, a death occurred anyway, so she wonders where her watchfulness ends and paranoid fear begins. takes Armour thyroid - porcine thyroid not synthetic, calcium channel blocker +hyperquell, diuretic + potassium, flovent (steroidal) daily + maxair prn (rescue inhaler w/minimal side fx incl. any ht rate/bp increase). when she uses the maxair she always follows it with at least one puff of the flovent a few minutes later, which i support. this will decrease chances of developing rebound bronchial constriction from the rescue inhaler. oh, i'm reminded by someone's q: i've also started her on blue poppy's Free the Flow for constipation, to which she's very sensitive, so she's not taking very much of it. this is probably the difficulty-eliminating version of irritable bowel syndrome for her per dr. a Korean herbalist determined she had no metal in her natal chart. this easily explains the easy lung and bowel problems, and of course, the easy qi stagnation. he said, she only had 2 problems, her spleen and her lungs. also, a double dose of earth in her chart. she has a taiyang constitution, too much damp earth! Patrick, i certainly agree that once hernias progress to a certain point, surgery's the best option. my question is, how far does it have to progress for this to be the case. the internist certainly didn't assume this was a surgical case in January. it had actually fairly resolved, enough to make us think it might close up on it's own. since some moderate lifting she's been able to feel it again since. she's also been concerned about the time off, being low on paid time off and her dept being short on staff anyway. my tx has been primarily balance method, dr tan method. thanks to all, Lynn Alon Marcus <alonmarcus Chinese Medicine Saturday, March 31, 2007 8:29:21 AM Re: Re:treating inguinal hernia The best results i have had in hernia has been using the Tung hand points www.integrativeheal thmedicine. com - Greg Livingston Saturday, March 31, 2007 6:40 AM Re:treating inguinal hernia Hi Group, In my experience, if the hernia is very mild, moxa on Kidney 1, Liver 1 is pretty effective. If the hernia can be reduced and not pop back out for several months, it's possible that it will stay that way, unless of course the person does some heavy lifting or something to pop it back out. I've had success on a number of mild cases using this method. Best, Greg -- Greg A. Livingston, PhD(candidate) , L.Ac. PR China, 310002 Zhejiang Province, Hangzhou Si Tiao Xiang 23, #602 mobile: 86-571-8171- 2217 http://www.myspace. com/doclivy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Lynn: In the 5 Element world hernias fall in the Earth element. SP not holding things up. Sounds like you are on to it with your diagnosis. Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- " J. Lynn Detamore " <lynndetamore > thanks for the responses so far. here's more of a consititutional pic: > premenopausal woman, late 40's, overweight. hypertension for > spleen deficient > > patrick, i certainly agree that once hernias progress to a certain point, > surgery's the best option. > > > > Alon Marcus <alonmarcus > Chinese Medicine > Saturday, March 31, 2007 8:29:21 AM > Re: Re:treating inguinal hernia > > The best results i have had in hernia has been using the Tung hand points > > > > > > > > www.integrativeheal thmedicine. com > - > Greg Livingston > > Saturday, March 31, 2007 6:40 AM > Re:treating inguinal hernia > > Hi Group, > > In my experience, if the hernia is very mild, moxa on Kidney 1, Liver 1 is > pretty effective. If the hernia can be reduced and not pop back out for > several months, it's possible that it will stay that way, unless of course > the person does some heavy lifting or something to pop it back out. I've had > success on a number of mild cases using this method. > > Best, > > Greg > > -- > Greg A. Livingston, PhD(candidate) , L.Ac. > PR China, 310002 > Zhejiang Province, Hangzhou > Si Tiao Xiang 23, #602 > mobile: 86-571-8171- 2217 > http://www.myspace. com/doclivy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Lynn, you mentioned the Korean herbalist who works with the natal chart... is this the ba zi method applied to five-phase constitution treatment? I know of a zen-monk who does this kind of work. How do you use this in your practice? Basically, I'm interested in how five-element practitioners work with herbs. This may take more space than this forum allows, but a general sense would be great. Thanks, k. On 4/1/07, J. Lynn Detamore <lynndetamore wrote: > > thanks for the responses so far. > i don't know what just happened, but i paused while composing, and > decided to send my partial mssg. sorry. > > here's more of a constitutional pic: pre-menopausal woman, late 40's. > overweight, htn for ~35 yrs, obviously constitutional issue, not adult > onset. meniere's disease in left ear, tinnitus, minor hearing loss- > interferes w/ sound discrimination, occas. vertigo but hasn't had all day or > overnite vertigo w/emesis since last fall. has had cochlear sx in rt ear w/ > fullness, temporary hearing loss, but no vertigo originating in that ear. > moderate asthma, worse heavy pollen, but significant shortness of breath w/ > fatigue and overwork - QI XU! SPLEEN XU, easy consistent fluid retention, > DAMP HEAT - shows up w/sinusitis w/ small amt fresh blood sometimes when > blowing nose - much newer sx. QI STAGNATION- works in incredibly stressful > environment. is hospital nursing staff, acted as whistle blower, a death > occurred anyway, so she wonders where her watchfulness ends and paranoid > fear begins. takes Armour thyroid - porcine thyroid not synthetic, calcium > channel blocker +hyperquell, > diuretic + potassium, flovent (steroidal) daily + maxair prn (rescue > inhaler w/minimal side fx incl. any ht rate/bp increase). when she uses the > maxair she always follows it with at least one puff of the flovent a few > minutes later, which i support. this will decrease chances of developing > rebound bronchial constriction from the rescue inhaler. oh, i'm reminded by > someone's q: i've also started her on blue poppy's Free the Flow for > constipation, to which she's very sensitive, so she's not taking very much > of it. this is probably the difficulty-eliminating version of irritable > bowel syndrome for her per dr. > > a Korean herbalist determined she had no metal in her natal chart. this > easily explains the easy lung and bowel problems, and of course, the easy qi > stagnation. he said, she only had 2 problems, her spleen and her lungs. > also, a double dose of earth in her chart. she has a taiyang constitution, > too much damp earth! > > Patrick, i certainly agree that once hernias progress to a certain point, > surgery's the best option. my question is, how far does it have to progress > for this to be the case. the internist certainly didn't assume this was a > surgical case in January. it had actually fairly resolved, enough to make us > think it might close up on it's own. since some moderate lifting she's been > able to feel it again since. she's also been concerned about the time off, > being low on paid time off and her dept being short on staff anyway. my tx > has been primarily balance method, dr tan method. > > thanks to all, > Lynn > > > Alon Marcus <alonmarcus <alonmarcus%40wans.net>> > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > Saturday, March 31, 2007 8:29:21 AM > Re: Re:treating inguinal hernia > > The best results i have had in hernia has been using the Tung hand points > > > > > > > > www.integrativeheal thmedicine. com > - > Greg Livingston > > Saturday, March 31, 2007 6:40 AM > Re:treating inguinal hernia > > Hi Group, > > In my experience, if the hernia is very mild, moxa on Kidney 1, Liver 1 is > pretty effective. If the hernia can be reduced and not pop back out for > several months, it's possible that it will stay that way, unless of course > the person does some heavy lifting or something to pop it back out. I've > had > success on a number of mild cases using this method. > > Best, > > Greg > > -- > Greg A. Livingston, PhD(candidate) , L.Ac. > PR China, 310002 > Zhejiang Province, Hangzhou > Si Tiao Xiang 23, #602 > mobile: 86-571-8171- 2217 > http://www.myspace. com/doclivy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 the herbalist is master sunim, a zen monk and daoist master. he's at 6th patriarch zen center, i believe, in berkeley. i met him while he visiting seattle, where he used to live. he does five element constitutional analyses based on time and place of birth. he makes detailed nutritional recommendations and also dispenses a ten day herb rx. they can both have amazing effects. he'll also do analyses by mail. now, i do primarily balance method acupuncture, but still do some 5e. i've also been primarily an acupuncturist rather than an herbalist. bastyr's herb program wasn't complete in time for me to go thru it b4 i graduated, tho i grad. in 96. so i had patents, a qtr of materia medica and intro to chm. i plan to start blue poppy's herb course this yr. i don't think a residential program will work, tho that would be ideal. the time away from work would be prohibitive. when using patents + some encapsulated formulae, i've chiefly done tcm herbal rx +some lon jarrett. lynn [johnkokko] wrote: Lynn, you mentioned the Korean herbalist who works with the natal chart... is this the ba zi method applied to five-phase constitution treatment? I know of a zen-monk who does this kind of work. How do you use this in your practice? Basically, I'm interested in how five-element practitioners work with herbs. This may take more space than this forum allows, but a general sense would be great. Thanks, k. On 4/1/07, J. Lynn Detamore <lynndetamore wrote: > > thanks for the responses so far. > i don't know what just happened, but i paused while composing, and > decided to send my partial mssg. sorry. > > here's more of a constitutional pic: pre-menopausal woman, late 40's. > overweight, htn for ~35 yrs, obviously constitutional issue, not adult > onset. meniere's disease in left ear, tinnitus, minor hearing loss- > interferes w/ sound discrimination, occas. vertigo but hasn't had all day or > overnite vertigo w/emesis since last fall. has had cochlear sx in rt ear w/ > fullness, temporary hearing loss, but no vertigo originating in that ear. > moderate asthma, worse heavy pollen, but significant shortness of breath w/ > fatigue and overwork - QI XU! SPLEEN XU, easy consistent fluid retention, > DAMP HEAT - shows up w/sinusitis w/ small amt fresh blood sometimes when > blowing nose - much newer sx. QI STAGNATION- works in incredibly stressful > environment. is hospital nursing staff, acted as whistle blower, a death > occurred anyway, so she wonders where her watchfulness ends and paranoid > fear begins. takes Armour thyroid - porcine thyroid not synthetic, calcium > channel blocker +hyperquell, > diuretic + potassium, flovent (steroidal) daily + maxair prn (rescue > inhaler w/minimal side fx incl. any ht rate/bp increase). when she uses the > maxair she always follows it with at least one puff of the flovent a few > minutes later, which i support. this will decrease chances of developing > rebound bronchial constriction from the rescue inhaler. oh, i'm reminded by > someone's q: i've also started her on blue poppy's Free the Flow for > constipation, to which she's very sensitive, so she's not taking very much > of it. this is probably the difficulty-eliminating version of irritable > bowel syndrome for her per dr. > > a Korean herbalist determined she had no metal in her natal chart. this > easily explains the easy lung and bowel problems, and of course, the easy qi > stagnation. he said, she only had 2 problems, her spleen and her lungs. > also, a double dose of earth in her chart. she has a taiyang constitution, > too much damp earth! > > Patrick, i certainly agree that once hernias progress to a certain point, > surgery's the best option. my question is, how far does it have to progress > for this to be the case. the internist certainly didn't assume this was a > surgical case in January. it had actually fairly resolved, enough to make us > think it might close up on it's own. since some moderate lifting she's been > able to feel it again since. she's also been concerned about the time off, > being low on paid time off and her dept being short on staff anyway. my tx > has been primarily balance method, dr tan method. > > thanks to all, > Lynn > > > Alon Marcus <alonmarcus <alonmarcus%40wans.net>> > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > Saturday, March 31, 2007 8:29:21 AM > Re: Re:treating inguinal hernia > > The best results i have had in hernia has been using the Tung hand points > > > > > > > > www.integrativeheal thmedicine. com > - > Greg Livingston > > Saturday, March 31, 2007 6:40 AM > Re:treating inguinal hernia > > Hi Group, > > In my experience, if the hernia is very mild, moxa on Kidney 1, Liver 1 is > pretty effective. If the hernia can be reduced and not pop back out for > several months, it's possible that it will stay that way, unless of course > the person does some heavy lifting or something to pop it back out. I've > had > success on a number of mild cases using this method. > > Best, > > Greg > > -- > Greg A. Livingston, PhD(candidate) , L.Ac. > PR China, 310002 > Zhejiang Province, Hangzhou > Si Tiao Xiang 23, #602 > mobile: 86-571-8171- 2217 > http://www.myspace. com/doclivy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 hm, i haven't been using tung points. discovered them in school, used some. in fact, some of dr tan's points as i recall are from dr tung. maybe it's time to revisit those. thanks alon, lynn [alonmarcus] wrote: The best results i have had in hernia has been using the Tung hand points - Greg Livingston Chinese Medicine Saturday, March 31, 2007 6:40 AM Re:treating inguinal hernia Hi Group, In my experience, if the hernia is very mild, moxa on Kidney 1, Liver 1 is pretty effective. If the hernia can be reduced and not pop back out for several months, it's possible that it will stay that way, unless of course the person does some heavy lifting or something to pop it back out. I've had success on a number of mild cases using this method. Best, Greg -- Greg A. Livingston, PhD(candidate), L.Ac. PR China, 310002 Zhejiang Province, Hangzhou Si Tiao Xiang 23, #602 mobile: 86-571-8171-2217 http://www.myspace.com/doclivy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Lynn: This herbalist sounds interesting. I did an astrology chart based on birth time. It was suppose to relate to the 5E constitutional type. Actually it was pretty right on for me. There were balls on the chart - if it was the largest ball that was an element for you, and if it was the smallest, that was an element for you. Lynn, on the balance method I have integrated 5E with that. When you have a choice about what meridians to use, keep the constiution in mind. I have done a whole treatment with four needles (the yin yang cross over). I usually use a lot more, but this can work very well for some patients. Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- " J. Lynn Detamore " <lynndetamore > the herbalist is master sunim, a zen monk and daoist master. he's at 6th > patriarch zen center, i believe, in berkeley. i met him while he visiting > seattle, where he used to live. he does five element constitutional analyses > based on time and place of birth. he makes detailed nutritional recommendations > and also dispenses a ten day herb rx. they can both have amazing effects. he'll > also do analyses by mail. now, i do primarily balance method acupuncture, but > still do some 5e. i've also been primarily an acupuncturist rather than an > herbalist. bastyr's herb program wasn't complete in time for me to go thru it b4 > i graduated, tho i grad. in 96. so i had patents, a qtr of materia medica and > intro to chm. i plan to start blue poppy's herb course this yr. i don't think a > residential program will work, tho that would be ideal. the time away from work > would be prohibitive. when using patents + some encapsulated formulae, i've > chiefly done tcm herbal rx +some lon jarrett. lynn > > [johnkokko] wrote: > Lynn, you mentioned the Korean herbalist who works with the natal chart... > is this the ba zi method applied to five-phase constitution treatment? > > I know of a zen-monk who does this kind of work. > How do you use this in your practice? > > Basically, I'm interested in how five-element practitioners work with herbs. > This may take more space than this forum allows, but a general sense would > be great. > > Thanks, k. > > On 4/1/07, J. Lynn Detamore <lynndetamore wrote: > > > > thanks for the responses so far. > > i don't know what just happened, but i paused while composing, and > > decided to send my partial mssg. sorry. > > > > here's more of a constitutional pic: pre-menopausal woman, late 40's. > > overweight, htn for ~35 yrs, obviously constitutional issue, not adult > > onset. meniere's disease in left ear, tinnitus, minor hearing loss- > > interferes w/ sound discrimination, occas. vertigo but hasn't had all day or > > overnite vertigo w/emesis since last fall. has had cochlear sx in rt ear w/ > > fullness, temporary hearing loss, but no vertigo originating in that ear. > > moderate asthma, worse heavy pollen, but significant shortness of breath w/ > > fatigue and overwork - QI XU! SPLEEN XU, easy consistent fluid retention, > > DAMP HEAT - shows up w/sinusitis w/ small amt fresh blood sometimes when > > blowing nose - much newer sx. QI STAGNATION- works in incredibly stressful > > environment. is hospital nursing staff, acted as whistle blower, a death > > occurred anyway, so she wonders where her watchfulness ends and paranoid > > fear begins. takes Armour thyroid - porcine thyroid not synthetic, calcium > > channel blocker +hyperquell, > > diuretic + potassium, flovent (steroidal) daily + maxair prn (rescue > > inhaler w/minimal side fx incl. any ht rate/bp increase). when she uses the > > maxair she always follows it with at least one puff of the flovent a few > > minutes later, which i support. this will decrease chances of developing > > rebound bronchial constriction from the rescue inhaler. oh, i'm reminded by > > someone's q: i've also started her on blue poppy's Free the Flow for > > constipation, to which she's very sensitive, so she's not taking very much > > of it. this is probably the difficulty-eliminating version of irritable > > bowel syndrome for her per dr. > > > > a Korean herbalist determined she had no metal in her natal chart. this > > easily explains the easy lung and bowel problems, and of course, the easy qi > > stagnation. he said, she only had 2 problems, her spleen and her lungs. > > also, a double dose of earth in her chart. she has a taiyang constitution, > > too much damp earth! > > > > Patrick, i certainly agree that once hernias progress to a certain point, > > surgery's the best option. my question is, how far does it have to progress > > for this to be the case. the internist certainly didn't assume this was a > > surgical case in January. it had actually fairly resolved, enough to make us > > think it might close up on it's own. since some moderate lifting she's been > > able to feel it again since. she's also been concerned about the time off, > > being low on paid time off and her dept being short on staff anyway. my tx > > has been primarily balance method, dr tan method. > > > > thanks to all, > > Lynn > > > > > > Alon Marcus <alonmarcus <alonmarcus%40wans.net>> > > To: > Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho > ogroups.com> > > Saturday, March 31, 2007 8:29:21 AM > > Re: Re:treating inguinal hernia > > > > The best results i have had in hernia has been using the Tung hand points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.integrativeheal thmedicine. com > > - > > Greg Livingston > > > > Saturday, March 31, 2007 6:40 AM > > Re:treating inguinal hernia > > > > Hi Group, > > > > In my experience, if the hernia is very mild, moxa on Kidney 1, Liver 1 is > > pretty effective. If the hernia can be reduced and not pop back out for > > several months, it's possible that it will stay that way, unless of course > > the person does some heavy lifting or something to pop it back out. I've > > had > > success on a number of mild cases using this method. > > > > Best, > > > > Greg > > > > -- > > Greg A. Livingston, PhD(candidate) , L.Ac. > > PR China, 310002 > > Zhejiang Province, Hangzhou > > Si Tiao Xiang 23, #602 > > mobile: 86-571-8171- 2217 > > http://www.myspace. com/doclivy > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 i had forgotten, she does also have a hiatal hernia, approx. 3 cm. its not caused sx, was just discovered during some tests a couple yrs ago. shes 47. lynn ______________________________\ ____ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Small Business. http://smallbusiness./domains/?p=BESTDEAL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 well, this doesn't seem to have lasted even a couple months. i think i may encourage her to have a f/u with her dr. it would nice to have his take on it. he also felt it when it was very new. i'd like to see labs too since she's been on hyperquell with her meds for a while now thanks, lynn [drlivingston] wrote: Hi Group, In my experience, if the hernia is very mild, moxa on Kidney 1, Liver 1 is pretty effective. If the hernia can be reduced and not pop back out for several months, it's possible that it will stay that way, unless of course the person does some heavy lifting or something to pop it back out. I've had success on a number of mild cases using this method. Best, Greg -- Greg A. Livingston, PhD(candidate), L.Ac. PR China, 310002 Zhejiang Province, Hangzhou Si Tiao Xiang 23, #602 mobile: 86-571-8171-2217 http://www.myspace.com/doclivy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 thanks, patrick. i went thru a similar saga with 2 constricted carpal nerves. after yrs of never going long w/o acup or p.t. and just having nerve fxn hold, i went 3 months w/o. my nerve fxn decreased dramatically, by over 50% in my worse hand, the right. i was so glad after i had the surgeries. this hernia, so far, has seemed to small to be necessarily surgical. we'll see, but don't worry, not for 7 yrs. lynn [patrick] wrote: Greetings, In my experience after a certain point, treating inguinal hernia is a surgical technique. The pain associated with hernia (pre and post op) can be helped with acupuncture and herbs. After several years (7) of acupuncture, herbal consumption, headstands, shoulder stands, abdominal lifts, I went to Dr. Tung who had been an instructor of mine and a surgeon in China. After examining me he said, " why don't you just get surgery? " He said that hernia surgery was what surgeons started with. After studying the various techniques, I found some one who did the Shouldice (sp?) technique bit the bullet and got the surgery. That was 12 years ago, Have been OK since and I do a lot of lifting and heaving work because of living in the country. Repairing a hernia is not quite like cutting into a joint and typically does work. This is the very common surgery in a certain hospital in India I am familiar with due to the fact that many of its patients are farmers. Regards, Patrick Patrick D. Holiman http://web.mac.com/pholitao http://www.acu-polarity.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 anne, hey, a practitioner after my own heart. or, i resemble those remarks. i do take constitution into account, particularly for diffuse pain and any internal conditions. it helps simplify the starting points, channel wise. i also take both kinds of pulses. even on a 5e pt once, i did a retained 4 gates tx. i think i still did sources, but that was all. i thot her main issue at present was stagnation. well, i got my positive answer, and went back to the usual the next tx. btw, when i do herbs, it's tcm with influence from lon jarrett, some western herbs as well-i love oregon grape. how do u do herbs, do u have more 5e methods? thanks for the reply, lynn [anne.crowley] wrote: Lynn: This herbalist sounds interesting. I did an astrology chart based on birth time. It was suppose to relate to the 5E constitutional type. Actually it was pretty right on for me. There were balls on the chart - if it was the largest ball that was an element for you, and if it was the smallest, that was an element for you. Lynn, on the balance method I have integrated 5E with that. When you have a choice about what meridians to use, keep the constiution in mind. I have done a whole treatment with four needles (the yin yang cross over). I usually use a lot more, but this can work very well for some patients. Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- " J. Lynn Detamore " <lynndetamore > the herbalist is master sunim, a zen monk and daoist master. he's at 6th > patriarch zen center, i believe, in berkeley. i met him while he visiting > seattle, where he used to live. he does five element constitutional analyses > based on time and place of birth. he makes detailed nutritional recommendations > and also dispenses a ten day herb rx. they can both have amazing effects. he'll > also do analyses by mail. now, i do primarily balance method acupuncture, but > still do some 5e. i've also been primarily an acupuncturist rather than an > herbalist. bastyr's herb program wasn't complete in time for me to go thru it b4 > i graduated, tho i grad. in 96. so i had patents, a qtr of materia medica and > intro to chm. i plan to start blue poppy's herb course this yr. i don't think a > residential program will work, tho that would be ideal. the time away from work > would be prohibitive. when using patents + some encapsulated formulae, i've > chiefly done tcm herbal rx +some lon jarrett. lynn > > [johnkokko] wrote: > Lynn, you mentioned the Korean herbalist who works with the natal chart... > is this the ba zi method applied to five-phase constitution treatment? > > I know of a zen-monk who does this kind of work. > How do you use this in your practice? > > Basically, I'm interested in how five-element practitioners work with herbs. > This may take more space than this forum allows, but a general sense would > be great. > > Thanks, k. > > On 4/1/07, J. Lynn Detamore <lynndetamore wrote: > > > > thanks for the responses so far. > > i don't know what just happened, but i paused while composing, and > > decided to send my partial mssg. sorry. > > > > here's more of a constitutional pic: pre-menopausal woman, late 40's. > > overweight, htn for ~35 yrs, obviously constitutional issue, not adult > > onset. meniere's disease in left ear, tinnitus, minor hearing loss- > > interferes w/ sound discrimination, occas. vertigo but hasn't had all day or > > overnite vertigo w/emesis since last fall. has had cochlear sx in rt ear w/ > > fullness, temporary hearing loss, but no vertigo originating in that ear. > > moderate asthma, worse heavy pollen, but significant shortness of breath w/ > > fatigue and overwork - QI XU! SPLEEN XU, easy consistent fluid retention, > > DAMP HEAT - shows up w/sinusitis w/ small amt fresh blood sometimes when > > blowing nose - much newer sx. QI STAGNATION- works in incredibly stressful > > environment. is hospital nursing staff, acted as whistle blower, a death > > occurred anyway, so she wonders where her watchfulness ends and paranoid > > fear begins. takes Armour thyroid - porcine thyroid not synthetic, calcium > > channel blocker +hyperquell, > > diuretic + potassium, flovent (steroidal) daily + maxair prn (rescue > > inhaler w/minimal side fx incl. any ht rate/bp increase). when she uses the > > maxair she always follows it with at least one puff of the flovent a few > > minutes later, which i support. this will decrease chances of developing > > rebound bronchial constriction from the rescue inhaler. oh, i'm reminded by > > someone's q: i've also started her on blue poppy's Free the Flow for > > constipation, to which she's very sensitive, so she's not taking very much > > of it. this is probably the difficulty-eliminating version of irritable > > bowel syndrome for her per dr. > > > > a Korean herbalist determined she had no metal in her natal chart. this > > easily explains the easy lung and bowel problems, and of course, the easy qi > > stagnation. he said, she only had 2 problems, her spleen and her lungs. > > also, a double dose of earth in her chart. she has a taiyang constitution, > > too much damp earth! > > > > Patrick, i certainly agree that once hernias progress to a certain point, > > surgery's the best option. my question is, how far does it have to progress > > for this to be the case. the internist certainly didn't assume this was a > > surgical case in January. it had actually fairly resolved, enough to make us > > think it might close up on it's own. since some moderate lifting she's been > > able to feel it again since. she's also been concerned about the time off, > > being low on paid time off and her dept being short on staff anyway. my tx > > has been primarily balance method, dr tan method. > > > > thanks to all, > > Lynn > > > > > > Alon Marcus <alonmarcus <alonmarcus%40wans.net>> > > To: > Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho > ogroups.com> > > Saturday, March 31, 2007 8:29:21 AM > > Re: Re:treating inguinal hernia > > > > The best results i have had in hernia has been using the Tung hand points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.integrativeheal thmedicine. com > > - > > Greg Livingston > > > > Saturday, March 31, 2007 6:40 AM > > Re:treating inguinal hernia > > > > Hi Group, > > > > In my experience, if the hernia is very mild, moxa on Kidney 1, Liver 1 is > > pretty effective. 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Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 Lynn: I really don't have a 5E methodology for herbs. I use TCM diagnosis and mostly use patents. When you come out of a 5E school, your whole window is on on that, so somehow you are integrating it anyway. Anne P.S. I may not be so coherent at this hour. I have been doing the final round of college visitis with my daughter, who is a musical theatre major so everything is audition based. I flew in from Long Island to Baltimore Thursday and felt the world was coming to an end on a very rainy, windy gusty day. I suddenly turn into a water constitutional type when on a plane with (or without turbulence) also on bridges. -------------- Original message ---------------------- " J. Lynn Detamore " <lynndetamore > anne, hey, a practitioner after my own heart. or, i resemble those remarks. i do > take constitution into account, particularly for diffuse pain and any internal > conditions. it helps simplify the starting points, channel wise. i also take > both kinds of pulses. even on a 5e pt once, i did a retained 4 gates tx. i think > i still did sources, but that was all. i thot her main issue at present was > stagnation. well, i got my positive answer, and went back to the usual the next > tx. btw, when i do herbs, it's tcm with influence from lon jarrett, some western > herbs as well-i love oregon grape. how do u do herbs, do u have more 5e methods? > thanks for the reply, lynn > > [anne.crowley] wrote: > > Lynn: > > This herbalist sounds interesting. I did an astrology chart based on birth > time. It was suppose to relate to the 5E constitutional type. Actually it was > pretty right on for me. There were balls on the chart - if it was the largest > ball that was an element for you, and if it was the smallest, that was an > element for you. > > Lynn, on the balance method I have integrated 5E with that. When you have a > choice about what meridians to use, keep the constiution in mind. I have done a > whole treatment with four needles (the yin yang cross over). I usually use a > lot more, but this can work very well for some patients. > > Anne > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > " J. Lynn Detamore " <lynndetamore > > the herbalist is master sunim, a zen monk and daoist master. he's at 6th > > patriarch zen center, i believe, in berkeley. i met him while he visiting > > seattle, where he used to live. he does five element constitutional analyses > > based on time and place of birth. he makes detailed nutritional > recommendations > > and also dispenses a ten day herb rx. they can both have amazing effects. > he'll > > also do analyses by mail. now, i do primarily balance method acupuncture, but > > still do some 5e. i've also been primarily an acupuncturist rather than an > > herbalist. bastyr's herb program wasn't complete in time for me to go thru it > b4 > > i graduated, tho i grad. in 96. so i had patents, a qtr of materia medica and > > intro to chm. i plan to start blue poppy's herb course this yr. i don't think > a > > residential program will work, tho that would be ideal. the time away from > work > > would be prohibitive. when using patents + some encapsulated formulae, i've > > chiefly done tcm herbal rx +some lon jarrett. lynn > > > > [johnkokko] wrote: > > Lynn, you mentioned the Korean herbalist who works with the natal chart... > > is this the ba zi method applied to five-phase constitution treatment? > > > > I know of a zen-monk who does this kind of work. > > How do you use this in your practice? > > > > Basically, I'm interested in how five-element practitioners work with herbs. > > This may take more space than this forum allows, but a general sense would > > be great. > > > > Thanks, k. > > > > On 4/1/07, J. Lynn Detamore <lynndetamore wrote: > > > > > > thanks for the responses so far. > > > i don't know what just happened, but i paused while composing, and > > > decided to send my partial mssg. sorry. > > > > > > here's more of a constitutional pic: pre-menopausal woman, late 40's. > > > overweight, htn for ~35 yrs, obviously constitutional issue, not adult > > > onset. meniere's disease in left ear, tinnitus, minor hearing loss- > > > interferes w/ sound discrimination, occas. vertigo but hasn't had all day or > > > overnite vertigo w/emesis since last fall. has had cochlear sx in rt ear w/ > > > fullness, temporary hearing loss, but no vertigo originating in that ear. > > > moderate asthma, worse heavy pollen, but significant shortness of breath w/ > > > fatigue and overwork - QI XU! SPLEEN XU, easy consistent fluid retention, > > > DAMP HEAT - shows up w/sinusitis w/ small amt fresh blood sometimes when > > > blowing nose - much newer sx. QI STAGNATION- works in incredibly stressful > > > environment. is hospital nursing staff, acted as whistle blower, a death > > > occurred anyway, so she wonders where her watchfulness ends and paranoid > > > fear begins. takes Armour thyroid - porcine thyroid not synthetic, calcium > > > channel blocker +hyperquell, > > > diuretic + potassium, flovent (steroidal) daily + maxair prn (rescue > > > inhaler w/minimal side fx incl. any ht rate/bp increase). when she uses the > > > maxair she always follows it with at least one puff of the flovent a few > > > minutes later, which i support. this will decrease chances of developing > > > rebound bronchial constriction from the rescue inhaler. oh, i'm reminded by > > > someone's q: i've also started her on blue poppy's Free the Flow for > > > constipation, to which she's very sensitive, so she's not taking very much > > > of it. this is probably the difficulty-eliminating version of irritable > > > bowel syndrome for her per dr. > > > > > > a Korean herbalist determined she had no metal in her natal chart. this > > > easily explains the easy lung and bowel problems, and of course, the easy qi > > > stagnation. he said, she only had 2 problems, her spleen and her lungs. > > > also, a double dose of earth in her chart. she has a taiyang constitution, > > > too much damp earth! > > > > > > Patrick, i certainly agree that once hernias progress to a certain point, > > > surgery's the best option. my question is, how far does it have to progress > > > for this to be the case. the internist certainly didn't assume this was a > > > surgical case in January. it had actually fairly resolved, enough to make us > > > think it might close up on it's own. since some moderate lifting she's been > > > able to feel it again since. she's also been concerned about the time off, > > > being low on paid time off and her dept being short on staff anyway. my tx > > > has been primarily balance method, dr tan method. > > > > > > thanks to all, > > > Lynn > > > > > > > > > Alon Marcus <alonmarcus <alonmarcus%40wans.net>> > > > To: > > > Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho > > ogroups.com> > > > Saturday, March 31, 2007 8:29:21 AM > > > Re: Re:treating inguinal hernia > > > > > > The best results i have had in hernia has been using the Tung hand points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.integrativeheal thmedicine. com > > > - > > > Greg Livingston > > > > > > Saturday, March 31, 2007 6:40 AM > > > Re:treating inguinal hernia > > > > > > Hi Group, > > > > > > In my experience, if the hernia is very mild, moxa on Kidney 1, Liver 1 is > > > pretty effective. 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