chemically processed foods damaging qi, blood and essence

[Guest guest]

Tom,

 

Your eloquent epistle prompts me to mention yet one more important issue: the

food we eat as a source of Qi. What kind of Qi is going to result from mass

produced and packaged, chemically processed, denatured, genetically modified

food? And what kind of blood for that matter? When people eat " free radical

chemicals " instead of real whole foods the damage they do to their qi, xue and

ying can't be underestimated. I think that as physician, this issue is far more

important than whether or not one should be a vegetarian.

 

Yehuda

 

 

Tom Verhaeghe <tom.verhaeghe wrote:

 

One thing to add to what Hugo said below: the yang you are discussing below,

that meat and spices like garlic and onions evoke; is not the pure yang we

need in order to thrive. They work more on the lower chakras, if you know

what I mean.

The best yang that we can obtain cannot be found in any foodstuff, imo. The

pure yang comes from Heaven and that is where we should be looking for it -

through gentle meditation and cultivation of the Shen, which is pure yang.

 

I believe that there are many reasons to eat vegetarian; health being one of

them. It takes effort to compose a balanced veg*n diet, but it can be done,

as have many already showed through their lives and examples.

Ecological reasons are very compelling - not many people know that it takes

19.000 litres of water to produce one pound of beef as compared to 190

litres to produce a pound of wheat; or that the world's cattle now consume a

quantity of food equal to the caloric need of 8.7 billion people (more than

the world population). If everyone went veg*n, there would be enough food to

feed the entire population of the world. There's deforestation, there's

pollution,...

 

But I believe that the most important reason lies in spiritual cultivation;

meat is yin when it comes to cultivation of the spirit and keeps us here

when we want to go there.

 

Tom, happy yogi and veg*n for 10 years

 

----

 

Hugo Ramiro

03/24/07 19:40:01

Chinese Medicine

Re: Vegetarianism

 

Hi Attilio.

As you probably know, one of the reasons that low/no - meat diets are

prescribed by various spiritual traditions is to lower " excitement " in the

body, i.e., " Yang " . Even herbs like ginger and garlic are commonly

prohibited for their spicy (i.e. " saucy " ) properties. So it's perfectly

natural and expected that one's yang qi will diminish with this type of diet

These diets are supposed to help us be calmer. This is, however, different

from saying that one will become yang deficient, i.e. cold hands and feet,

lots of shivering, low appetite, loose stools, and so on.

However, I have found, in my experience as well as helping others with

vegetarian / vegan diets, that it does take discipline to maintain one's

balance and not slide into cold / deficiency - the same as it takes

discipline when eating meats to not slide into heat / excess. Some of the

most important factors in my experience are below:

 

1. regular, deep sleep starting at 10pm, most nights.

2. a warming breakfast, i.e. whole grains, pulses, cooked vegetables

3. high caution on sweets (incl. carbs), raw veggies and fruits, refined /

processed foods (i.e. low qi foods)

4. high caution on burning the candle at both ends + cold and damp weather

5. constant practice of qi gong / dao yin / as appropriate for your diet +

goals

 

Hope that's useful,

Hugo (15 year vegetarian, no dairy)

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Yehuda, I'm in agreement with you and

also in the consideration of being a vegetarian,

what about all of the pesticides that are used on plants,

as well as protective waxes on fruit,

sulfur-dioxide on dried goods, etc...

 

Of course, most vegetarians in this country probably eat organic,

since they're already thinking about those things.

It's harder to find organic grass-fed meat than organic vegetables and

fruit.

How is this in Europe?

 

On 3/25/07, wrote:

>

> Tom,

>

> Your eloquent epistle prompts me to mention yet one more important issue:

> the food we eat as a source of Qi. What kind of Qi is going to result from

> mass produced and packaged, chemically processed, denatured, genetically

> modified food? And what kind of blood for that matter? When people eat " free

> radical chemicals " instead of real whole foods the damage they do to their

> qi, xue and ying can't be underestimated. I think that as physician, this

> issue is far more important than whether or not one should be a vegetarian.

>

> Yehuda

>

>

> Tom Verhaeghe <tom.verhaeghe<tom.verhaeghe%40acupunctuur.org>>

> wrote:

>

> One thing to add to what Hugo said below: the yang you are discussing

> below,

> that meat and spices like garlic and onions evoke; is not the pure yang we

> need in order to thrive. They work more on the lower chakras, if you know

> what I mean.

> The best yang that we can obtain cannot be found in any foodstuff, imo.

> The

> pure yang comes from Heaven and that is where we should be looking for it

> -

> through gentle meditation and cultivation of the Shen, which is pure yang.

>

>

> I believe that there are many reasons to eat vegetarian; health being one

> of

> them. It takes effort to compose a balanced veg*n diet, but it can be

> done,

> as have many already showed through their lives and examples.

> Ecological reasons are very compelling - not many people know that it

> takes

> 19.000 litres of water to produce one pound of beef as compared to 190

> litres to produce a pound of wheat; or that the world's cattle now consume

> a

> quantity of food equal to the caloric need of 8.7 billion people (more

> than

> the world population). If everyone went veg*n, there would be enough food

> to

> feed the entire population of the world. There's deforestation, there's

> pollution,...

>

> But I believe that the most important reason lies in spiritual

> cultivation;

> meat is yin when it comes to cultivation of the spirit and keeps us here

> when we want to go there.

>

> Tom, happy yogi and veg*n for 10 years

>

> ----

>

> Hugo Ramiro

> 03/24/07 19:40:01

> To:

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

> Re: Vegetarianism

>

> Hi Attilio.

> As you probably know, one of the reasons that low/no - meat diets are

> prescribed by various spiritual traditions is to lower " excitement " in the

> body, i.e., " Yang " . Even herbs like ginger and garlic are commonly

> prohibited for their spicy (i.e. " saucy " ) properties. So it's

> perfectly

> natural and expected that one's yang qi will diminish with this type of

> diet

> These diets are supposed to help us be calmer. This is, however, different

> from saying that one will become yang deficient, i.e. cold hands and feet,

> lots of shivering, low appetite, loose stools, and so on.

> However, I have found, in my experience as well as helping others with

> vegetarian / vegan diets, that it does take discipline to maintain one's

> balance and not slide into cold / deficiency - the same as it takes

> discipline when eating meats to not slide into heat / excess. Some of the

> most important factors in my experience are below:

>

> 1. regular, deep sleep starting at 10pm, most nights.

> 2. a warming breakfast, i.e. whole grains, pulses, cooked vegetables

> 3. high caution on sweets (incl. carbs), raw veggies and fruits, refined /

> processed foods (i.e. low qi foods)

> 4. high caution on burning the candle at both ends + cold and damp weather

> 5. constant practice of qi gong / dao yin / as appropriate for your diet +

> goals

>

> Hope that's useful,

> Hugo (15 year vegetarian, no dairy)

>

> ________

> To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new

>

> Security Centre. http://uk.security.

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>

[Guest guest]

I agree, Yehuda. One can eat a little meat and still be healthy. Eating

refined foods messes up the body on the qi, xue and ying level, and I would

even add the jing level. Aspartame for example can get to the nervous system

From a Chinese medical viewpoint that would be on the jing level. I just

had one of my ALS patients pass away, and I believe that he was severely

intoxicated on the jing level, sadly eventually leading to his death.

As Patrick has mentioned, I believe that the true benefit of a vegetarian

diet lies not on the physical but on the spiritual level. In Indian culture

there is the notion of ahimsa, avoidance of hurting sentient beings, so that

one's soul can freely develop.

 

Best,

 

Tom.

 

----

 

yehuda frischman

25/03/2007 11:15:31

Chinese Medicine

chemically processed foods damaging qi, blood and essence

 

Tom,

 

Your eloquent epistle prompts me to mention yet one more important issue:

the food we eat as a source of Qi. What kind of Qi is going to result from

mass produced and packaged, chemically processed, denatured, genetically

modified food? And what kind of blood for that matter? When people eat " free

radical chemicals " instead of real whole foods the damage they do to their

qi, xue and ying can't be underestimated. I think that as physician, this

issue is far more important than whether or not one should be a vegetarian.

 

Yehuda

 

 

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There are organic vegetables of course, perhaps not as much as I would like

to see, but still enough to have a healthy daily variation of vegetables. We

also have so many choices of veg*n protein so it's hard to starve yourself

as a veg*n (with this * I mean vegetarian or vegan).

Organic meat can be found in supermarkets, but not that many people buy it.

It is rather expensive. Only when there is a new outbreak of a meat scandal

(we have had quite a few infamous scandals in Belgium, like dioxin mixed

into chicken feed) people buy organic meat.

 

Tom.

 

----

 

 

25/03/2007 17:18:47

Chinese Medicine

Re: chemically processed foods damaging qi, blood and essence

 

Yehuda, I'm in agreement with you and

also in the consideration of being a vegetarian,

what about all of the pesticides that are used on plants,

as well as protective waxes on fruit,

sulfur-dioxide on dried goods, etc...

 

Of course, most vegetarians in this country probably eat organic,

since they're already thinking about those things.

It's harder to find organic grass-fed meat than organic vegetables and

fruit.

How is this in Europe?

 

On 3/25/07, wrote:

>

> Tom,

>

> Your eloquent epistle prompts me to mention yet one more important issue:

> the food we eat as a source of Qi. What kind of Qi is going to result from

> mass produced and packaged, chemically processed, denatured, genetically

> modified food? And what kind of blood for that matter? When people eat

free

> radical chemicals " instead of real whole foods the damage they do to their

> qi, xue and ying can't be underestimated. I think that as physician, this

> issue is far more important than whether or not one should be a vegetarian

 

>

> Yehuda

>

>

> Tom Verhaeghe <tom.verhaeghe<tom.verhaeghe%40acupunctuur

org>>

> wrote:

>

> One thing to add to what Hugo said below: the yang you are discussing

> below,

> that meat and spices like garlic and onions evoke; is not the pure yang we

> need in order to thrive. They work more on the lower chakras, if you know

> what I mean.

> The best yang that we can obtain cannot be found in any foodstuff, imo.

> The

> pure yang comes from Heaven and that is where we should be looking for it

> -

> through gentle meditation and cultivation of the Shen, which is pure yang.

>

>

> I believe that there are many reasons to eat vegetarian; health being one

> of

> them. It takes effort to compose a balanced veg*n diet, but it can be

> done,

> as have many already showed through their lives and examples.

> Ecological reasons are very compelling - not many people know that it

> takes

> 19.000 litres of water to produce one pound of beef as compared to 190

> litres to produce a pound of wheat; or that the world's cattle now consume

> a

> quantity of food equal to the caloric need of 8.7 billion people (more

> than

> the world population). If everyone went veg*n, there would be enough food

> to

> feed the entire population of the world. There's deforestation, there's

> pollution,...

>

> But I believe that the most important reason lies in spiritual

> cultivation;

> meat is yin when it comes to cultivation of the spirit and keeps us here

> when we want to go there.

>

> Tom, happy yogi and veg*n for 10 years

>

> ----

>

> Hugo Ramiro

> 03/24/07 19:40:01

> @

com<Chinese Medicine%40>

> Re: Vegetarianism

>

> Hi Attilio.

> As you probably know, one of the reasons that low/no - meat diets are

> prescribed by various spiritual traditions is to lower " excitement " in the

> body, i.e., " Yang " . Even herbs like ginger and garlic are commonly

> prohibited for their spicy (i.e. " saucy " ) properties. So it's

> perfectly

> natural and expected that one's yang qi will diminish with this type of

> diet

> These diets are supposed to help us be calmer. This is, however, different

> from saying that one will become yang deficient, i.e. cold hands and feet,

> lots of shivering, low appetite, loose stools, and so on.

> However, I have found, in my experience as well as helping others with

> vegetarian / vegan diets, that it does take discipline to maintain one's

> balance and not slide into cold / deficiency - the same as it takes

> discipline when eating meats to not slide into heat / excess. Some of the

> most important factors in my experience are below:

>

> 1. regular, deep sleep starting at 10pm, most nights.

> 2. a warming breakfast, i.e. whole grains, pulses, cooked vegetables

> 3. high caution on sweets (incl. carbs), raw veggies and fruits, refined /

> processed foods (i.e. low qi foods)

> 4. high caution on burning the candle at both ends + cold and damp weather

> 5. constant practice of qi gong / dao yin / as appropriate for your diet +

> goals

>

> Hope that's useful,

> Hugo (15 year vegetarian, no dairy)

>

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>

[Guest guest]

I agree with you 100 percent. I actually meant to write jing not ying(notice in

the heading I wrote essence?)

 

Tom Verhaeghe <tom.verhaeghe wrote:

I agree, Yehuda. One can eat a little meat and still be healthy. Eating

refined foods messes up the body on the qi, xue and ying level, and I would

even add the jing level. Aspartame for example can get to the nervous system

From a Chinese medical viewpoint that would be on the jing level. I just

had one of my ALS patients pass away, and I believe that he was severely

intoxicated on the jing level, sadly eventually leading to his death.

As Patrick has mentioned, I believe that the true benefit of a vegetarian

diet lies not on the physical but on the spiritual level. In Indian culture

there is the notion of ahimsa, avoidance of hurting sentient beings, so that

one's soul can freely develop.

 

Best,

 

Tom.

 

----

 

yehuda frischman

25/03/2007 11:15:31

Chinese Medicine

chemically processed foods damaging qi, blood and essence

 

Tom,

 

Your eloquent epistle prompts me to mention yet one more important issue:

the food we eat as a source of Qi. What kind of Qi is going to result from

mass produced and packaged, chemically processed, denatured, genetically

modified food? And what kind of blood for that matter? When people eat " free

radical chemicals " instead of real whole foods the damage they do to their

qi, xue and ying can't be underestimated. I think that as physician, this

issue is far more important than whether or not one should be a vegetarian.

 

Yehuda

 

 

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Even the quality of organic produce varies dramatically. I have a patient from

Perth, on the " other " West Coast: that of Australia, who tells me that the

organic produce there is much sweeter, much juicier, and much more flavorful

that our California organic. I found the same in Israel whenever I go there:

that even commercial produce is more flavorful than California organic, and

California organic is SIGNIFICANTLY better, than New York organic, of course, in

my palate's very humble opinion.

 

Yehuda

 

Tom Verhaeghe <tom.verhaeghe wrote:

 

There are organic vegetables of course, perhaps not as much as I would like

to see, but still enough to have a healthy daily variation of vegetables. We

also have so many choices of veg*n protein so it's hard to starve yourself

as a veg*n (with this * I mean vegetarian or vegan).

Organic meat can be found in supermarkets, but not that many people buy it.

It is rather expensive. Only when there is a new outbreak of a meat scandal

(we have had quite a few infamous scandals in Belgium, like dioxin mixed

into chicken feed) people buy organic meat.

 

Tom.

 

----

 

 

25/03/2007 17:18:47

Chinese Medicine

Re: chemically processed foods damaging qi, blood and essence

 

Yehuda, I'm in agreement with you and

also in the consideration of being a vegetarian,

what about all of the pesticides that are used on plants,

as well as protective waxes on fruit,

sulfur-dioxide on dried goods, etc...

 

Of course, most vegetarians in this country probably eat organic,

since they're already thinking about those things.

It's harder to find organic grass-fed meat than organic vegetables and

fruit.

How is this in Europe?

 

On 3/25/07, wrote:

>

> Tom,

>

> Your eloquent epistle prompts me to mention yet one more important issue:

> the food we eat as a source of Qi. What kind of Qi is going to result from

> mass produced and packaged, chemically processed, denatured, genetically

> modified food? And what kind of blood for that matter? When people eat

free

> radical chemicals " instead of real whole foods the damage they do to their

> qi, xue and ying can't be underestimated. I think that as physician, this

> issue is far more important than whether or not one should be a vegetarian

 

>

> Yehuda

>

>

> Tom Verhaeghe <tom.verhaeghe<tom.verhaeghe%40acupunctuur

org>>

> wrote:

>

> One thing to add to what Hugo said below: the yang you are discussing

> below,

> that meat and spices like garlic and onions evoke; is not the pure yang we

> need in order to thrive. They work more on the lower chakras, if you know

> what I mean.

> The best yang that we can obtain cannot be found in any foodstuff, imo.

> The

> pure yang comes from Heaven and that is where we should be looking for it

> -

> through gentle meditation and cultivation of the Shen, which is pure yang.

>

>

> I believe that there are many reasons to eat vegetarian; health being one

> of

> them. It takes effort to compose a balanced veg*n diet, but it can be

> done,

> as have many already showed through their lives and examples.

> Ecological reasons are very compelling - not many people know that it

> takes

> 19.000 litres of water to produce one pound of beef as compared to 190

> litres to produce a pound of wheat; or that the world's cattle now consume

> a

> quantity of food equal to the caloric need of 8.7 billion people (more

> than

> the world population). If everyone went veg*n, there would be enough food

> to

> feed the entire population of the world. There's deforestation, there's

> pollution,...

>

> But I believe that the most important reason lies in spiritual

> cultivation;

> meat is yin when it comes to cultivation of the spirit and keeps us here

> when we want to go there.

>

> Tom, happy yogi and veg*n for 10 years

>

> ----

>

> Hugo Ramiro

> 03/24/07 19:40:01

> @

com<Chinese Medicine%40>

> Re: Vegetarianism

>

> Hi Attilio.

> As you probably know, one of the reasons that low/no - meat diets are

> prescribed by various spiritual traditions is to lower " excitement " in the

> body, i.e., " Yang " . Even herbs like ginger and garlic are commonly

> prohibited for their spicy (i.e. " saucy " ) properties. So it's

> perfectly

> natural and expected that one's yang qi will diminish with this type of

> diet

> These diets are supposed to help us be calmer. This is, however, different

> from saying that one will become yang deficient, i.e. cold hands and feet,

> lots of shivering, low appetite, loose stools, and so on.

> However, I have found, in my experience as well as helping others with

> vegetarian / vegan diets, that it does take discipline to maintain one's

> balance and not slide into cold / deficiency - the same as it takes

> discipline when eating meats to not slide into heat / excess. Some of the

> most important factors in my experience are below:

>

> 1. regular, deep sleep starting at 10pm, most nights.

> 2. a warming breakfast, i.e. whole grains, pulses, cooked vegetables

> 3. high caution on sweets (incl. carbs), raw veggies and fruits, refined /

> processed foods (i.e. low qi foods)

> 4. high caution on burning the candle at both ends + cold and damp weather

> 5. constant practice of qi gong / dao yin / as appropriate for your diet +

> goals

>

> Hope that's useful,

> Hugo (15 year vegetarian, no dairy)

>

> ________

> To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new

>

> Security Centre. http://uk.security.

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>

[Guest guest]

I am from Switzerland, where issues like health, healthy food, vegetarism,

organic

products and so on are highly discussed and developed, which means you can find

organic

vegs and meat even in regular supermarkets. I believe it is a privilege that i

can choose

being a vegetarian. if i would live in old times in a vast forest i would be a

hunter, eat

meat, but with respect for the being i just killed. therefore i agree that it is

not just for

health benefits but it is also a spiritula matter, whether you eat meat, dairies

or vegs.

everything is alive and it cant hurt to be thankful also to vegetables and

fruits that grew

and died " for us " . A problem in the near future wil be, if there is any organic

food at all!!?

because of all the chemicals, hormons, antibiotics, genetic manipulations and so

on..

(already there is no organic soy left). but in the end everything is qi, coming

from the

same source,therefore what quality of energy your body and spirit gets is due to

your state

of mind, isn`t it? by the way, did you hear of the rising number of people who

don^t eat

at all? there is one (a scientist) in my area, living on nothing but energy from

meditation

and water!

i guess whatever we do, we should do it with joy, respect and without guilt

 

sincere,

 

rebekka

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " Tom Verhaeghe "

<tom.verhaeghe wrote:

>

>

> There are organic vegetables of course, perhaps not as much as I would like

> to see, but still enough to have a healthy daily variation of vegetables. We

> also have so many choices of veg*n protein so it's hard to starve yourself

> as a veg*n (with this * I mean vegetarian or vegan).

> Organic meat can be found in supermarkets, but not that many people buy it.

> It is rather expensive. Only when there is a new outbreak of a meat scandal

> (we have had quite a few infamous scandals in Belgium, like dioxin mixed

> into chicken feed) people buy organic meat.

>

> Tom.

>

> ----

>

>

> 25/03/2007 17:18:47

> Chinese Medicine

> Re: chemically processed foods damaging qi, blood and essence

>

> Yehuda, I'm in agreement with you and

> also in the consideration of being a vegetarian,

> what about all of the pesticides that are used on plants,

> as well as protective waxes on fruit,

> sulfur-dioxide on dried goods, etc...

>

> Of course, most vegetarians in this country probably eat organic,

> since they're already thinking about those things.

> It's harder to find organic grass-fed meat than organic vegetables and

> fruit.

> How is this in Europe?

>

> On 3/25/07, wrote:

> >

> > Tom,

> >

> > Your eloquent epistle prompts me to mention yet one more important issue:

> > the food we eat as a source of Qi. What kind of Qi is going to result from

> > mass produced and packaged, chemically processed, denatured, genetically

> > modified food? And what kind of blood for that matter? When people eat

> free

> > radical chemicals " instead of real whole foods the damage they do to their

> > qi, xue and ying can't be underestimated. I think that as physician, this

> > issue is far more important than whether or not one should be a vegetarian

>

> >

> > Yehuda

> >

> >

> > Tom Verhaeghe <tom.verhaeghe<tom.verhaeghe%40acupunctuur

> org>>

> > wrote:

> >

> > One thing to add to what Hugo said below: the yang you are discussing

> > below,

> > that meat and spices like garlic and onions evoke; is not the pure yang we

> > need in order to thrive. They work more on the lower chakras, if you know

> > what I mean.

> > The best yang that we can obtain cannot be found in any foodstuff, imo.

> > The

> > pure yang comes from Heaven and that is where we should be looking for it

> > -

> > through gentle meditation and cultivation of the Shen, which is pure yang.

> >

> >

> > I believe that there are many reasons to eat vegetarian; health being one

> > of

> > them. It takes effort to compose a balanced veg*n diet, but it can be

> > done,

> > as have many already showed through their lives and examples.

> > Ecological reasons are very compelling - not many people know that it

> > takes

> > 19.000 litres of water to produce one pound of beef as compared to 190

> > litres to produce a pound of wheat; or that the world's cattle now consume

> > a

> > quantity of food equal to the caloric need of 8.7 billion people (more

> > than

> > the world population). If everyone went veg*n, there would be enough food

> > to

> > feed the entire population of the world. There's deforestation, there's

> > pollution,...

> >

> > But I believe that the most important reason lies in spiritual

> > cultivation;

> > meat is yin when it comes to cultivation of the spirit and keeps us here

> > when we want to go there.

> >

> > Tom, happy yogi and veg*n for 10 years

> >

> > ----

> >

> > Hugo Ramiro

> > 03/24/07 19:40:01

> > @

> com<Chinese Medicine%40>

> > Re: Vegetarianism

> >

> > Hi Attilio.

> > As you probably know, one of the reasons that low/no - meat diets are

> > prescribed by various spiritual traditions is to lower " excitement " in the

> > body, i.e., " Yang " . Even herbs like ginger and garlic are commonly

> > prohibited for their spicy (i.e. " saucy " ) properties. So it's

> > perfectly

> > natural and expected that one's yang qi will diminish with this type of

> > diet

> > These diets are supposed to help us be calmer. This is, however, different

> > from saying that one will become yang deficient, i.e. cold hands and feet,

> > lots of shivering, low appetite, loose stools, and so on.

> > However, I have found, in my experience as well as helping others with

> > vegetarian / vegan diets, that it does take discipline to maintain one's

> > balance and not slide into cold / deficiency - the same as it takes

> > discipline when eating meats to not slide into heat / excess. Some of the

> > most important factors in my experience are below:

> >

> > 1. regular, deep sleep starting at 10pm, most nights.

> > 2. a warming breakfast, i.e. whole grains, pulses, cooked vegetables

> > 3. high caution on sweets (incl. carbs), raw veggies and fruits, refined /

> > processed foods (i.e. low qi foods)

> > 4. high caution on burning the candle at both ends + cold and damp weather

> > 5. constant practice of qi gong / dao yin / as appropriate for your diet +

> > goals

> >

> > Hope that's useful,

> > Hugo (15 year vegetarian, no dairy)

> >

> > ________

> > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new

> >

> > Security Centre. http://uk.security.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

This kind of dogmatic statement causes terror, fright, grief, anger and

frustration in my patients, backed up by ancient chinese theories on

seven emotions. None of my master teachers in China, none of my expert

books ever mentioned the risk stemming from " bad modern food Qi " .

 

Instead " Dont eat this! It that! " spoken out by an authority can block

Qi.

 

Look at the reaction of someone whom you tell: You have been eating

poison for all your live. Australian toxic spider venom genes implanted

into maize. ( I can't believe you americans haven't started a riot)

Now fantasize what could happen to you.

 

I have seen patients destroying their stomach with " whole food " they

couldn't digest (I call it the stone washed denim effect).

 

Nausea just looking at the warm porridge dish. But they had to eat it

else they...

 

You get the idea.

 

We are becoming fundamentalists in interpreting chinese symbols,

taking them literally, squeezing them in our materialistic scheme.

 

I started rethinking my western approach when my teacher said that the

university textbook errs in this and that instance.

 

 

> Your eloquent epistle prompts me to mention yet one more important

issue: the food we eat as a source of Qi. What kind of Qi is going to

result from mass produced and packaged, chemically processed,

denatured, genetically modified food? And what kind of blood for that

matter? When people eat " free radical chemicals " instead of real whole

foods the damage they do to their qi, xue and ying can't be

underestimated. I think that as physician, this issue is far more

important than whether or not one should be a vegetarian.

>

> Yehuda

[Guest guest]

Just because none of your teachers are yet aware of the problems of

chemicalized food, trans fats and the like, doesn't mean the problem

isn't there. Yehuda's statement is hardly dogmatic, it is fact.

China is becoming more and more susceptible to diseases such as

obesity, diabetes, hypertension, etc. as it adapts the 'modern food

qi' diet more and more.

 

 

On Mar 25, 2007, at 6:30 PM, tayfx wrote:

 

>

> This kind of dogmatic statement causes terror, fright, grief, anger

> and

> frustration in my patients, backed up by ancient chinese theories on

> seven emotions. None of my master teachers in China, none of my expert

> books ever mentioned the risk stemming from " bad modern food Qi " .

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dogma? Whatever you eat will have an effect on you. If a person

decides to a high fat, cholesterol and sugar diet, this person will

suffer from diseases such as the ones Zev pointed out. If a person

decides to eat chemically rich " foods " and high in sodium such as

canned meats and whatever else comes in a can -preservatives, etc-

people will feel the consequences. Artificial sweeteners will have a

negative effect on your body, why not try to use brown sugar? White

cereals, such as white rice and oats have been stripped down of most

of their nutrients. You might be eating, but are you nurturing your

body? Brown rice goes a long way because you don't need to eat so

much. Meat is definitely toxic to a humans body, but if you can't

avoid it, find the cleanest one. Where do all the pesticides go when

fruits and veggies are sprayed? If millions of insects die with those

toxins, are you sure it won't affect your body once you eat them? Get

organic veggies and fruits, pay a bit more, but have a better quality

of life. I remember when i was a kid, i didn't know which fruit i

could pick and eat, someone told me that if a bird eats it, it's ok to

eat. Have you ever asked somebody how much their lives are worth?

They'll probably say " a lot " , but most would rather save a penny here

and there buying processed, chemically rich and genetically altered

fruits and vegetables than paying a bit more for their MAIN source of

fuel for their bodies. They'll probably spend all what they've saved,

and more, in doctor's appointments, tests and medicines. Go figure.

 

Throw a pebble into a lake and ripples will happen.

 

Juan

 

Chinese Medicine , " "

<zrosenbe wrote:

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> Just because none of your teachers are yet aware of the problems of

> chemicalized food, trans fats and the like, doesn't mean the problem

> isn't there. Yehuda's statement is hardly dogmatic, it is fact.

> China is becoming more and more susceptible to diseases such as

> obesity, diabetes, hypertension, etc. as it adapts the 'modern food

> qi' diet more and more.

>

>

> On Mar 25, 2007, at 6:30 PM, tayfx wrote:

>

> >

> > This kind of dogmatic statement causes terror, fright, grief, anger

> > and

> > frustration in my patients, backed up by ancient chinese theories on

> > seven emotions. None of my master teachers in China, none of my expert

> > books ever mentioned the risk stemming from " bad modern food Qi " .

>

>

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