Guest guest Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 Another old-schooler - they make me giggle - not scared Statements like those reveal people as underdeveloped intellectually belonging to the " If you don't understand it kill it " secterian branch of science called Scientific Materialism (QuackWatch being the extreme example). (BTW I hold science very deerly and I DO - surprise - BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION). We have A LOT of the above type " unbiased(?) scientists " in Denmark, but funny enough they can't seem to get a foothold due to public and political opinion (same in UK I believe)- the public (in the Western World) is too well-educated and can definitely take repsonsibility for their own lives.... We recently got rid of MD supervision for " Non-medical " acupuncturists and the doctors were kicking and screaming like two-year-olds having a tantrum not getting their way.... sort of sound like the professor making statements to BBC News. What these people hate the most is to be ignored!!!! So let's do exactly that and strive to evolve as practitioners of OM ourselves and become adept in both theory as well as practice producing ever more " astonishing " results that can be reproduced using our own theory as a solid foundation! I know that you - esteemed colleagues - know and experience every day that OM is a consistent clinical science that produces results that CAN be reproduced as long as we don't not adhere to WM medical diagnosis, but treat ie Liver Yin Deficiency when it manifests choosing proper points, herbs, etc.! How many times have YOU failed or succeede in relieving pain due to a properly diagnosed pattern/constitution and made proper prognosis based on Shen and St Qi? Diagnosis/Treatment/result Paramaters and evaluation based on OM CAN be set up to make the saught after proof in the shape of statistics or whatever... Theory is VERY consistent in Classical OM and if practiced correctly will make consistant results. We do not need to pay too much attention to/be afraid of voices like his, but instead spend our time studying and polishing ourselves in in all aspects and not make compromises in treatment, theory or Shen!!! This is the proper way ahead! Humbly, Thomas Sorensen Denmark Chinese Medicine , < wrote: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6476289.stm > > > -- > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.16/729 - Release Date: 3/21/2007 7:52 AM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 Hi Chris and all: Actually that sounded like a great article to me. We have a vocal minority of one and then we have the QAA saying there were no serious concerns about the degrees being offered, and then the Prince Charles (and remember, this is the BBC) fund explicitly stated that just cause there wasn't evidence now doesn't mean there wouldn't be! That's great! And then further, we no longer have to do research to see IF patients are benefiting - instead, " we need more research into why and how patients are benefiting. " Man, this is a great article, that guy colquhuon got lambasted. I'm giving this article to all my patients. Hugo < Chinese Medicine Thursday, 22 March, 2007 2:22:52 AM Bad press in the UK (hot off the press) http://news. bbc.co.uk/ 2/hi/health/ 6476289.stm -- Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.16/729 - Release 3/21/2007 7:52 AM <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0;} #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both;} #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px;} #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text-align:right;} #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left;white-space:nowrap;} ..bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;padding:15px 0;} #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana;font-size:77%;border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px;} #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold;color:#333;text-transform:upp\ ercase;} #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0;margin:2px 0;} #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text-align:right;padding-ri\ ght:.5em;} #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px;background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font-size:100%;line-height:122%\ ;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0;} o {font-size:0;} ..MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0;} #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%;} blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} ..replbq {margin:4;} --> _________ What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Mail Championship. http://uk.rd./evt=44106/*http://mail..net/uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 Hugo I have not been able to access this article from the link provided. Is there any chance of copying it and providing it here? Turiya Hill, L.Ac. - Hugo Ramiro Chinese Medicine Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:41 AM Re: Bad press in the UK (hot off the press) Hi Chris and all: Actually that sounded like a great article to me. We have a vocal minority of one and then we have the QAA saying there were no serious concerns about the degrees being offered, and then the Prince Charles (and remember, this is the BBC) fund explicitly stated that just cause there wasn't evidence now doesn't mean there wouldn't be! That's great! And then further, we no longer have to do research to see IF patients are benefiting - instead, " we need more research into why and how patients are benefiting. " Man, this is a great article, that guy colquhuon got lambasted. I'm giving this article to all my patients. Hugo < Chinese Medicine Thursday, 22 March, 2007 2:22:52 AM Bad press in the UK (hot off the press) http://news. bbc.co.uk/ 2/hi/health/ 6476289.stm -- Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.16/729 - Release 3/21/2007 7:52 AM <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0;} #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both;} #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px;} #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text-align:right;} #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left;white-space:nowrap;} .bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;padding:15px 0;} #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana;font-size:77%;border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px;} #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold;color:#333;text-transform:upp\ ercase;} #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0;margin:2px 0;} #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text-align:right;padding-ri\ ght:.5em;} #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px;background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font-size:100%;line-height:122%\ ;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0;} o {font-size:0;} .MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0;} #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%;} blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} .replbq {margin:4;} --> ________ What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Mail Championship. http://uk.rd./evt=44106/*http://mail..net/uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 Sure. Hugo ---------------- Alternative therapy degree attack There are over 60 complementary medicine courses taught in universities UK universities are teaching " gobbledygook " following the explosion in science degrees in complementary medicine, a leading expert says. There are now 61 complementary medicine courses of which 45 are science degrees, the Nature journal reported. University College London Professor David Colquhoun urged watchdogs to act, as complementary medicine was not based on scientific evidence. But supporters of the approach said the views were a " sweeping generalisation " . [textbox] COMPLEMENTARY MEDICINE The term complementary - or alternative - medicine covers therapies such as homeopathy, acupuncture or reflexology For a medicine to be used in conventional medicine, it must go through scientific trials where its effectiveness has to be proven But these techniques often fail to show how complementary medicine works Advocates say new research is beginning to prove the case, but many medics, including the British Medical Association, believe there should be tougher regulation of the practice [end textbox] Professor Colquhoun, of the university's department of pharmacology, cited the example of homeopathy. He said it had barely changed since the start of the 19th Century and was " more like religion than science " . He also pointed out that some supporters of nutritional therapy have been known to claim that changes in diet can cure Aids. He said the teaching of complementary medicine under a science banner was worse than " Mickey Mouse " degrees in golf management and baking that have sprung up in recent years as " they do what it says on the label " . " That is quite different from awarding BSc degrees in subjects that are not science at all, but are positively anti-science. " Yet this sort of gobbledygook is being taught in some UK universities as though it were science. " He suggested it would be better if courses in aromatherapy, acupuncture, herbal medicine, reflexology, naturopathy and traditional Chinese medicine were taught as part of a cultural history or sociological course. Degrees And Prof Colquhoun said the Quality Assurance Agency for Higher Education (QAA) should be taking action to stop these courses being classed as science degrees. The watchdog is in charge of ensuring the standards of degrees on offer; and, while it cannot demand universities change the courses they offer, its reviews can lead to funding being withdrawn. A spokeswoman for the QAA said there were no serious concerns about degrees being offered. The Prince's Foundation for Integrated Health, a group set up by Prince Charles to promote complementary therapy, said there was increasing evidence alternative therapies worked and where there was no proof it did not necessarily mean that there would never be. Foundation chief executive Kim Lavely added: " The enormous demand from the public for complementary treatments means that we need more research into why and how patients are benefiting. " Scientists should want to explore this rather than make sweeping, absolutist generalisations arising from deeply held prejudice as David Colquhoun does in this article. " _________ All New Mail – Tired of unwanted email come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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