MS and aupuncture

March 17, 2007

Yesterday was visited by a 60 year old patient diagnosed with Multiple

Sclerosis, my first MS patient. Main complaint is the stiffness in his

legs, specially the right one, he cannot bend his right knee or control

his ankle. Left leg is considerably better, has controlled movement but

no strength. Other complaints are lack of control of his urine and

stools, extreme low tolerance to heat and swollen ankles. He is

currently on a wheelchair. While diagnosing through front mu, i found

6CV, 25ST (right) 17CV, 14LR (right), and 1LU (left) reactive. His

radial pulse prior to treatment was empty and thready, almost non

existent, in all locations but Heart/S.I. After treatment, his radial

pulse on all 3 locations on both wrists were significantly stronger. I

am looking for ideas on how to treat this person, who has been on

acupuncture before but with very little results.

March 17, 2007

This may or may not help, but have you considered that this presentation

is similar to cauda equina syndrome in that both bowel and bladder functioning

are affected? MS as an entity does seem to respond, in my experience, to san

jiao

points. Locally, I would think of maybe using hua to pts around the T-L

junction.

Have you considered that there might be a space occupying lesion at this level

or

has this been ruled out? Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

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aramis1971: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 07:22:59 -0400MS

and aupuncture

Yesterday was visited by a 60 year old patient diagnosed with Multiple

Sclerosis, my first MS patient. Main complaint is the stiffness in his legs,

specially the right one, he cannot bend his right knee or control his ankle.

Left leg is considerably better, has controlled movement but no strength. Other

complaints are lack of control of his urine and stools, extreme low tolerance to

heat and swollen ankles. He is currently on a wheelchair. While diagnosing

through front mu, i found 6CV, 25ST (right) 17CV, 14LR (right), and 1LU (left)

reactive. His radial pulse prior to treatment was empty and thready, almost non

existent, in all locations but Heart/S.I. After treatment, his radial pulse on

all 3 locations on both wrists were significantly stronger. I am looking for

ideas on how to treat this person, who has been on acupuncture before but with

very little results.

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March 17, 2007

There are relations of this disease to vaccination so perhaps getting the

vaccinosis treated would also be advisable.Homeopathy has a clear pattern

for treating vaccinosis but we should discuss if TCM has a way to address

this. Since I believe that vaccination especially with MLV leads to DNA

transmutations, would it be possible to address the Jing?Hertbs, like Jing

Essence or Defeciency formulas?and then also use acupuncture to address the

presentation via TCM diagnosis?

Sincerely,

Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

mike Bowser <naturaldoc1

Chinese Medicine

RE: MS and aupuncture

Sat, 17 Mar 2007 13:57:25 +0000

This may or may not help, but have you considered that this presentation

is similar to cauda equina syndrome in that both bowel and bladder

functioning

are affected? MS as an entity does seem to respond, in my experience, to

san jiao

points. Locally, I would think of maybe using hua to pts around the T-L

junction.

Have you considered that there might be a space occupying lesion at this

level or

has this been ruled out? Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

:

aramis1971: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 07:22:59 -0400TCM -

MS and aupuncture

Yesterday was visited by a 60 year old patient diagnosed with Multiple

Sclerosis, my first MS patient. Main complaint is the stiffness in his legs,

specially the right one, he cannot bend his right knee or control his ankle.

Left leg is considerably better, has controlled movement but no strength.

Other complaints are lack of control of his urine and stools, extreme low

tolerance to heat and swollen ankles. He is currently on a wheelchair. While

diagnosing through front mu, i found 6CV, 25ST (right) 17CV, 14LR (right),

and 1LU (left) reactive. His radial pulse prior to treatment was empty and

thready, almost non existent, in all locations but Heart/S.I. After

treatment, his radial pulse on all 3 locations on both wrists were

significantly stronger. I am looking for ideas on how to treat this person,

who has been on acupuncture before but with very little results.

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March 17, 2007

As someone who has MS and who is also an Immunologist...there are those of

us that do not consider this a true autoimmune disease but is rather a

breakdown in the immune response in that the anti antbodies are not functioning

properly...Hope this helps. Susan

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March 17, 2007

In a message dated 3/17/2007 2:15:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Docvite writes:

As someone who has MS and who is also an Immunologist.As someone who has MS

us that do not consider this a true autoimmune disease but is rather a

breakdown in the immune response in that the anti antbodies are not

functioning

properly...Hope this helps. Susan

Hi Susan,

Would you mind sharing a little more of your perceptions about MS?

Thanks,

Chris

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March 17, 2007

Hi Juan,

Find a way to get him to commit / persist. As long as he does that, you'll be

bale to make headway with him. If he commits you will be able to build a

relationship with him and slowly start working on his bad habits. Take really

good notes and a very detailed history so that you can track all his changes and

_demonstrate_ to him that he is improving, slow as it might be. I'm not going to

try to provide any specific advice because I don't have enough information and

you also reported that his pulses were stronger after the treatment.

Hugo

Juan Tovar <aramis1971

Yesterday was visited by a 60 year old patient diagnosed with

Multiple