Autosomal recessive cerebellar ataxia.

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Hi group,

 

I have a patient with above said disease.

 

He has no strength in lower back and could not stand up but he can sit down or

lie down.

This problem is from 10 yrs.

That time he was telling about back pain and loss of balance while walking but

no tremors.

He has difficulty in speech also.

 

I would like to get ur opinion about acupuncture treatment ofr this problem?

 

Can we treat him with acupuncture? and if yes what points to be selected?

 

Sincerely,

 

Chintamani.

 

 

 

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Hi Chintamani

 

> I have a patient with Autosomal recessive cerebellar ataxia. He has

> no strength in lower back and could not stand up but he can sit down

> or lie down. This problem is from 10 yrs. That time he was telling about

> back pain and loss of balance while walking but no tremors. He has

> difficulty in speech also. I would like to get ur opinion about

> acupuncture treatment ofr this problem? Can we treat him with

> acupuncture? and if yes what points to be selected? Sincerely,

> Chintamani.

 

I have never treated this. Sounds pretty grim.

 

Consider Tonics / Reinforcing KI and Jing as part of Tx for genetic disease,

especially involving brain / spinal cord / " marrow " .

 

Also consider Scalp Motor & Sensory points for the worst affected body

parts.

 

Cookbook points for brain diseases include:

LI04 ST04 ST36 LI11 GV14 GB34 GB20 GB30 LI15 KI01

0.698 0.661 0.634 0.611 0.581 0.572 0.410 0.331 0.317 0.219

 

Ataxia w tremors may be " Wind " in TCM. Maybe add occasionally points for

LV and Wind: BL18 + LV14 + GB20 + LV03 + GB34 + GV20 + GV26.

 

See also: Zhongguo Zhen Jiu. 2006 Jan;26(1):75-7. [Clinical observation on

point-through-point acupuncture for treatment of cerebellar ataxia after

apoplexy][Article in Chinese]. Wang S, Cai YY, Hu BC, Lu JR, Sun ZR,

Zhang YL. Provincial Academy of TCM, Harbin 150036, China.

hljwang OBJECTIVE: To observe therapeutic effect of

point-through-point acupuncture on cerebellar ataxia after apoplexy and

evaluate the safety. METHODS: Random, parallel control, single blind and

multicentral study method was used and 224 cases from 4 hospitals were

divided equally into a treatment group and a control group, 112 cases in

each group. The treatment group were treated with point-through-point

acupuncture and the control group with general needling method. Their

symptoms and signs, and the effect on transcranial Doppler's method

(TCD) were investigated. RESULTS: The total effective rate was 93.3% in

the treatment group which was better than 77.4% in the control group, with

a significant difference between the two groups (P < 0.01), and the point-

through-point acupuncture could significantly improve TCD of basilar artery,

vertebral artery and posterior inferior cerebellar artery (Vs, Vm, Vd, PI, RI),

superior to the control group. CONCLUSION: The point-through-point

acupuncture has obvious therapeutic effect on cerebellar ataxia after

apoplexy and good safety. PMID: 16491766 [PubMed - in process]

 

[unfortunately, the points used were not mentioned in the abstract].

 

Zhongguo Zhen Jiu. 2005 Oct;25(10):729-32. [Lin Xue-Jian's experience on

treatment of a part of cerebral diseases with scalp acupuncture][Article in

Chinese]. Wang HL, Wu JW. Shanghai Municipal TCM Literature Center,

Shanghai 200020, China. whl-1101 LIN Xue-Jian adopts

Chinese traditional acupuncture and moxibustion manipulation methods to

stimulate the special area of scalp to treat a part of brain-derived diseases,

such as infantile cerebral palsy, nerve deafness, cerebellar ataxia, lacunar

cerebral infarction, senile dementia, Parkinson's disease, anxiety, insomnia

and central constipation, and so on. Scalp acupuncture can improve ability

of blood and oxygen supply for general blood vessels; stimulation of

corresponding acupoint area according to symptoms and signs can control

condition of disease; and can repair, activate and regenerate the injured,

dormancy and aging neurons, so as to dredge nerve network in the brain,

hence better therapeutic effect. PMID: 16318137 [PubMed - in process]

 

Best regards,

 

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In addition to the traditional scalp needles, Lin, Xue Jian of Shanhai, found

the cerebellar points to be very helpful. She and Andrew Qi Wu authored a book

titled " New Cerebellar Scalp Acupuncture Area and the Breakthrough of Difficult

Disease Bottlenecks " (in Chinese) which gives several examples in treating this

disease in combination with the traditional scalp points Phil cited here.

 

Mike L.

 

< wrote:

Hi Chintamani

 

> I have a patient with Autosomal recessive cerebellar ataxia. He has

> no strength in lower back and could not stand up but he can sit down

> or lie down. This problem is from 10 yrs. That time he was telling about

> back pain and loss of balance while walking but no tremors. He has

> difficulty in speech also. I would like to get ur opinion about

> acupuncture treatment ofr this problem? Can we treat him with

> acupuncture? and if yes what points to be selected? Sincerely,

> Chintamani.

 

I have never treated this. Sounds pretty grim.

 

Consider Tonics / Reinforcing KI and Jing as part of Tx for genetic disease,

especially involving brain / spinal cord / " marrow " .

 

Also consider Scalp Motor & Sensory points for the worst affected body

parts.

 

Cookbook points for brain diseases include:

LI04 ST04 ST36 LI11 GV14 GB34 GB20 GB30 LI15 KI01

0.698 0.661 0.634 0.611 0.581 0.572 0.410 0.331 0.317 0.219

 

Ataxia w tremors may be " Wind " in TCM. Maybe add occasionally points for

LV and Wind: BL18 + LV14 + GB20 + LV03 + GB34 + GV20 + GV26.

 

See also: Zhongguo Zhen Jiu. 2006 Jan;26(1):75-7. [Clinical observation on

point-through-point acupuncture for treatment of cerebellar ataxia after

apoplexy][Article in Chinese]. Wang S, Cai YY, Hu BC, Lu JR, Sun ZR,

Zhang YL. Provincial Academy of TCM, Harbin 150036, China.

hljwang OBJECTIVE: To observe therapeutic effect of

point-through-point acupuncture on cerebellar ataxia after apoplexy and

evaluate the safety. METHODS: Random, parallel control, single blind and

multicentral study method was used and 224 cases from 4 hospitals were

divided equally into a treatment group and a control group, 112 cases in

each group. The treatment group were treated with point-through-point

acupuncture and the control group with general needling method. Their

symptoms and signs, and the effect on transcranial Doppler's method

(TCD) were investigated. RESULTS: The total effective rate was 93.3% in

the treatment group which was better than 77.4% in the control group, with

a significant difference between the two groups (P < 0.01), and the point-

through-point acupuncture could significantly improve TCD of basilar artery,

vertebral artery and posterior inferior cerebellar artery (Vs, Vm, Vd, PI, RI),

superior to the control group. CONCLUSION: The point-through-point

acupuncture has obvious therapeutic effect on cerebellar ataxia after

apoplexy and good safety. PMID: 16491766 [PubMed - in process]

 

[unfortunately, the points used were not mentioned in the abstract].

 

Zhongguo Zhen Jiu. 2005 Oct;25(10):729-32. [Lin Xue-Jian's experience on

treatment of a part of cerebral diseases with scalp acupuncture][Article in

Chinese]. Wang HL, Wu JW. Shanghai Municipal TCM Literature Center,

Shanghai 200020, China. whl-1101 LIN Xue-Jian adopts

Chinese traditional acupuncture and moxibustion manipulation methods to

stimulate the special area of scalp to treat a part of brain-derived diseases,

such as infantile cerebral palsy, nerve deafness, cerebellar ataxia, lacunar

cerebral infarction, senile dementia, Parkinson's disease, anxiety, insomnia

and central constipation, and so on. Scalp acupuncture can improve ability

of blood and oxygen supply for general blood vessels; stimulation of

corresponding acupoint area according to symptoms and signs can control

condition of disease; and can repair, activate and regenerate the injured,

dormancy and aging neurons, so as to dredge nerve network in the brain,

hence better therapeutic effect. PMID: 16318137 [PubMed - in process]

 

Best regards,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Chintamani , phil and others/

 

I do believe using too many yang channel points will

initially cause an improvement but since pre-heaven OI

is not strong there will be an stop to progress or an

aggravation .As I recommend initial earth element and

fire tonification and than alternate with the other

points . this will push up the treatment.

 

I use sp6 st36 ren12 h5/7 and pc 6 .

this will produce the initial blood for farther

treatment .after patients sleep , mantel health and

appetite improves move to the second treatment as Phil

has mentioned . than after some time reverse back.

 

treat very slowly let the changes take place.do not

treat 3-5/week.

 

alternate treatment gives better results.use

as few needle as possible.

 

 

I have got good results in neurological conditions and

genetical condition using above principals.

 

regards,

Dr,Fadaie

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- < wrote:

 

> Hi Chintamani

>

> > I have a patient with Autosomal recessive

> cerebellar ataxia. He has

> > no strength in lower back and could not stand up

> but he can sit down

> > or lie down. This problem is from 10 yrs. That

> time he was telling about

> > back pain and loss of balance while walking but no

> tremors. He has

> > difficulty in speech also. I would like to get ur

> opinion about

> > acupuncture treatment ofr this problem? Can we

> treat him with

> > acupuncture? and if yes what points to be

> selected? Sincerely,

> > Chintamani.

>

> I have never treated this. Sounds pretty grim.

>

> Consider Tonics / Reinforcing KI and Jing as part of

> Tx for genetic disease,

> especially involving brain / spinal cord / " marrow " .

>

>

> Also consider Scalp Motor & Sensory points for the

> worst affected body

> parts.

>

> Cookbook points for brain diseases include:

> LI04 ST04 ST36 LI11 GV14 GB34 GB20 GB30

> LI15 KI01

> 0.698 0.661 0.634 0.611 0.581 0.572 0.410

> 0.331 0.317 0.219

>

> Ataxia w tremors may be " Wind " in TCM. Maybe add

> occasionally points for

> LV and Wind: BL18 + LV14 + GB20 + LV03 + GB34 + GV20

> + GV26.

>

> See also: Zhongguo Zhen Jiu. 2006 Jan;26(1):75-7.

> [Clinical observation on

> point-through-point acupuncture for treatment of

> cerebellar ataxia after

> apoplexy][Article in Chinese]. Wang S, Cai YY, Hu

> BC, Lu JR, Sun ZR,

> Zhang YL. Provincial Academy of TCM, Harbin 150036,

> China.

> hljwang OBJECTIVE: To observe

> therapeutic effect of

> point-through-point acupuncture on cerebellar ataxia

> after apoplexy and

> evaluate the safety. METHODS: Random, parallel

> control, single blind and

> multicentral study method was used and 224 cases

> from 4 hospitals were

> divided equally into a treatment group and a control

> group, 112 cases in

> each group. The treatment group were treated with

> point-through-point

> acupuncture and the control group with general

> needling method. Their

> symptoms and signs, and the effect on transcranial

> Doppler's method

> (TCD) were investigated. RESULTS: The total

> effective rate was 93.3% in

> the treatment group which was better than 77.4% in

> the control group, with

> a significant difference between the two groups (P <

> 0.01), and the point-

> through-point acupuncture could significantly

> improve TCD of basilar artery,

> vertebral artery and posterior inferior cerebellar

> artery (Vs, Vm, Vd, PI, RI),

> superior to the control group. CONCLUSION: The

> point-through-point

> acupuncture has obvious therapeutic effect on

> cerebellar ataxia after

> apoplexy and good safety. PMID: 16491766 [PubMed -

> in process]

>

> [unfortunately, the points used were not mentioned

> in the abstract].

>

> Zhongguo Zhen Jiu. 2005 Oct;25(10):729-32. [Lin

> Xue-Jian's experience on

> treatment of a part of cerebral diseases with scalp

> acupuncture][Article in

> Chinese]. Wang HL, Wu JW. Shanghai Municipal TCM

> Literature Center,

> Shanghai 200020, China. whl-1101 LIN

> Xue-Jian adopts

> Chinese traditional acupuncture and moxibustion

> manipulation methods to

> stimulate the special area of scalp to treat a part

> of brain-derived diseases,

> such as infantile cerebral palsy, nerve deafness,

> cerebellar ataxia, lacunar

> cerebral infarction, senile dementia, Parkinson's

> disease, anxiety, insomnia

> and central constipation, and so on. Scalp

> acupuncture can improve ability

> of blood and oxygen supply for general blood

> vessels; stimulation of

> corresponding acupoint area according to symptoms

> and signs can control

> condition of disease; and can repair, activate and

> regenerate the injured,

> dormancy and aging neurons, so as to dredge nerve

> network in the brain,

> hence better therapeutic effect. PMID: 16318137

> [PubMed - in process]

>

> Best regards,

>

>

 

 

 

 

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points used in the studies mentioned:

 

Zhongguo Zhen Jiu. 2006 Jan;26(1):75-7. [Clinical observation on

point-through-point acupuncture for treatment of cerebellar ataxia

after apoplexy]:

 

naokong GB19-->fengchi GB20

yuzhen BL9-->tianzhu BL10

naohu GV17-->fengfu GV16

fengchi GB20-->fengchi GB20

 

use needles of appropriate size, thirty treatments of 30 mins required

 

 

 

Zhongguo Zhen Jiu. 2005 Oct;25(10):729-32. [Lin Xue-Jian's experience

on treatment of a part of cerebral diseases with scalp acupuncture]

 

for cerebellar ataxia: use cerebellar scalp points (in the cerebellar

worm area?? xiao nao yin3 qu, yin3 as in qiuyin, earthworm; or in the

cerebellar hemisphere area, no further info added); if there is a

feeling of obstruction, sensitive points on the heterolateral side can

be added.

 

Lin Xue-Jian, if still alive, is 86 years old and seems to be very

experienced with scalp acupuncture. Does anyone know of a book by him?

 

Tom.

 

 

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< wrote:

>

> Hi Chintamani

>

> > I have a patient with Autosomal recessive cerebellar ataxia. He has

> > no strength in lower back and could not stand up but he can sit down

> > or lie down. This problem is from 10 yrs. That time he was telling

about

> > back pain and loss of balance while walking but no tremors. He has

> > difficulty in speech also. I would like to get ur opinion about

> > acupuncture treatment ofr this problem? Can we treat him with

> > acupuncture? and if yes what points to be selected? Sincerely,

> > Chintamani.

>

> I have never treated this. Sounds pretty grim.

>

> Consider Tonics / Reinforcing KI and Jing as part of Tx for genetic

disease,

> especially involving brain / spinal cord / " marrow " .

>

> Also consider Scalp Motor & Sensory points for the worst affected body

> parts.

>

> Cookbook points for brain diseases include:

> LI04 ST04 ST36 LI11 GV14 GB34 GB20 GB30 LI15 KI01

> 0.698 0.661 0.634 0.611 0.581 0.572 0.410 0.331 0.317

0.219

>

> Ataxia w tremors may be " Wind " in TCM. Maybe add occasionally points

for

> LV and Wind: BL18 + LV14 + GB20 + LV03 + GB34 + GV20 + GV26.

>

> See also: Zhongguo Zhen Jiu. 2006 Jan;26(1):75-7. [Clinical

observation on

> point-through-point acupuncture for treatment of cerebellar ataxia

after

> apoplexy][Article in Chinese]. Wang S, Cai YY, Hu BC, Lu JR, Sun ZR,

> Zhang YL. Provincial Academy of TCM, Harbin 150036, China.

> hljwang OBJECTIVE: To observe therapeutic effect of

> point-through-point acupuncture on cerebellar ataxia after apoplexy and

> evaluate the safety. METHODS: Random, parallel control, single blind

and

> multicentral study method was used and 224 cases from 4 hospitals were

> divided equally into a treatment group and a control group, 112

cases in

> each group. The treatment group were treated with point-through-point

> acupuncture and the control group with general needling method. Their

> symptoms and signs, and the effect on transcranial Doppler's method

> (TCD) were investigated. RESULTS: The total effective rate was 93.3% in

> the treatment group which was better than 77.4% in the control

group, with

> a significant difference between the two groups (P < 0.01), and the

point-

> through-point acupuncture could significantly improve TCD of basilar

artery,

> vertebral artery and posterior inferior cerebellar artery (Vs, Vm,

Vd, PI, RI),

> superior to the control group. CONCLUSION: The point-through-point

> acupuncture has obvious therapeutic effect on cerebellar ataxia after

> apoplexy and good safety. PMID: 16491766 [PubMed - in process]

>

> [unfortunately, the points used were not mentioned in the abstract].

>

> Zhongguo Zhen Jiu. 2005 Oct;25(10):729-32. [Lin Xue-Jian's

experience on

> treatment of a part of cerebral diseases with scalp

acupuncture][Article in

> Chinese]. Wang HL, Wu JW. Shanghai Municipal TCM Literature Center,

> Shanghai 200020, China. whl-1101 LIN Xue-Jian adopts

> Chinese traditional acupuncture and moxibustion manipulation methods to

> stimulate the special area of scalp to treat a part of brain-derived

diseases,

> such as infantile cerebral palsy, nerve deafness, cerebellar ataxia,

lacunar

> cerebral infarction, senile dementia, Parkinson's disease, anxiety,

insomnia

> and central constipation, and so on. Scalp acupuncture can improve

ability

> of blood and oxygen supply for general blood vessels; stimulation of

> corresponding acupoint area according to symptoms and signs can control

> condition of disease; and can repair, activate and regenerate the

injured,

> dormancy and aging neurons, so as to dredge nerve network in the brain,

> hence better therapeutic effect. PMID: 16318137 [PubMed - in process]

>

> Best regards,

>

>