Dr Title Input Please - Oregon HB 3089

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Esteemed Colleagues and Hard-working Folks,

 

here in the states, in Oregon, we have pending legislation that would allow

folks with DAOM's from schools with " federally recognized accreditation " to use

dr as title. however, it allows more than that. i am reticent about the

looseness of some of the wording. i have a request for review and feedback from

a local legislator, that's a representative from the Oregon House of

Representatives, for those of you across ponds and oceans. i'd very much

appreciate input from some of you before i send a statement

 

" Notwithstanding ORS 677.085 (5), a person who has completed a program that

leads to a doctoral degree in Oriental medicine and acupuncture from a school

that has federally recognized accreditation may use the words “Doctor of

Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine” or any abbreviation or combination thereof,

or any letters or words of similar import in connection with the name of the

person, or any trade name in which the person is interested, in the conduct of

any occupation or profession pertaining to the practice of acupuncture. "

" ...or any abbreviation or combination thereof.... "

 

? i'm not sure. other folks can't and don't rearrange how they represent their

degrees. this just isn't done, and certainly can't be considered scholarly or

intellectual. - input?

 

" ...or any letters or words of similar import in connection with the name of the

person.... "

this is where the extreme laxness, let's legislate that we can call ourselves

whatever we want look creeps in for me. - input?

 

this part concerns me even more. this Really opens any Brand of worms

practitioners want to open.

" ... or any trade name in which the person is interested, in the conduct of any

occupation or profession pertaining to the practice of acupuncture. "

-- input?

 

please remember, when we vote for legislation, we Are Not voting for concepts!

we are voting for the details in the given piece of legislation. SO, how great

an idea this bill is has NOTHING to do with whether or not i recommend this

bill. whether or not THIS bill is workable, i.e., whether or not it will hold up

in court, will guide my decision, not my emotions.

 

thank you SO much, in advance, for your input and support. thanks to any of you

who have worked for this HB, or any corrollary pieces of legislation! Kudos!!!

 

also, would someone remind me why we don't already have Dept of Education

accreditation, i.e. regional accreditation, for any of the DAOM programs? I

don't recall hearing what the ETA is on this? i know this would help in our

legislative efforts. it certainly won't hurt!

 

Lynn

 

 

 

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Lynn,

 

Great questions. I am glad to see that some state is looking at this issue of

usage of Dr title. An

attorney might be better able to discuss these issues as well as the author of

the bill. As your

state has two schools of OM, it makes sense then that they might be backing this

or are they?

I think that this might be the first legislation attempting to match up degree

with licensure (not

sure though). There is some fuzziness over whether or not another healthcare

practitioner with

a doctor title could take an abbreviated program and then apply for this title.

Otherwise, it seems

that most of this makes sense and is attempting to create a two-tiered

opportunity for acupuncture

professionals. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

 

Chinese Medicine ;

: lynndetamore: Fri, 9 Mar

2007 11:56:29 -0800Dr Title Input Please - Oregon HB 3089

 

 

 

 

Esteemed Colleagues and Hard-working Folks,here in the states, in Oregon, we

have pending legislation that would allow folks with DAOM's from schools with

" federally recognized accreditation " to use dr as title. however, it allows more

than that. i am reticent about the looseness of some of the wording. i have a

request for review and feedback from a local legislator, that's a representative

from the Oregon House of Representatives, for those of you across ponds and

oceans. i'd very much appreciate input from some of you before i send a

statement " Notwithstanding ORS 677.085 (5), a person who has completed a program

that leads to a doctoral degree in Oriental medicine and acupuncture from a

school that has federally recognized accreditation may use the words “Doctor of

Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine” or any abbreviation or combination thereof,

or any letters or words of similar import in connection with the name of the

person, or any trade name in which the person is interested, in the conduct of

any occupation or profession pertaining to the practice of acupuncture. " " ...or

any abbreviation or combination thereof.... " ? i'm not sure. other folks can't

and don't rearrange how they represent their degrees. this just isn't done, and

certainly can't be considered scholarly or intellectual. - input? " ...or any

letters or words of similar import in connection with the name of the

person.... " this is where the extreme laxness, let's legislate that we can call

ourselves whatever we want look creeps in for me. - input? this part concerns me

even more. this Really opens any Brand of worms practitioners want to open. " ...

or any trade name in which the person is interested, in the conduct of any

occupation or profession pertaining to the practice of acupuncture. " --

input?please remember, when we vote for legislation, we Are Not voting for

concepts! we are voting for the details in the given piece of legislation. SO,

how great an idea this bill is has NOTHING to do with whether or not i recommend

this bill. whether or not THIS bill is workable, i.e., whether or not it will

hold up in court, will guide my decision, not my emotions.thank you SO much, in

advance, for your input and support. thanks to any of you who have worked for

this HB, or any corrollary pieces of legislation! Kudos!!!also, would someone

remind me why we don't already have Dept of Education accreditation, i.e.

regional accreditation, for any of the DAOM programs? I don't recall hearing

what the ETA is on this? i know this would help in our legislative efforts. it

certainly won't

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Dear Lynn,

 

In order for folks not familiar with Oregon law, you might want to

tell us what ORS 677.085 (5) is about ( I presume it refers to ones'

title). In general, however, I agree that legislation that is vaguely

worded can be problematic. I am a practitioner in Florida. We have the

privelege to be licensed as AP (Acupuncture Physician) but we may also

use the title Dr. as in DOM even without a DAOM degree. We are also

considered to be primary care providers. In other states, even

practitioners who hold degrees such as M.D. (China) are relegated to

the title L.Ac. I am attempting to develop a forum at

 

www.acupuncturemed.blogspot.com

 

to address issues such as this. I perceive that one of the main

problems facing our profession is the lack of consistency across the

country regarding titles of practitioners and scope of practice.

 

This is a political issue mostly having to do with the AMA and Big

Pharma lobbying. I would recommend that you contact your state

organization and develop a dialogue with your fellow practitioners and

your legislature in order to insure the protection of your rights to

practice TCM without undue influence from non-TCM parties.

 

I will start a thread at my blogspot regarding your topic. You will

then have a place to share opinions on this particular subject with

your fellow " Dr.s " from Oregon and elsewhere.

 

I believe that the more progress we make as a profession; the more

resistance we will meet from the " powers that be. " The way to deal with

this is, unfortunately, a political process and that requires time,

$$$$$ for lobbyists, and diligence.

 

Good luck,

Dr. W. W. Waldrope DOM, AP