Orange tongue coating, image and a further question

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Hi again Hugo,

 

Here's just another 2 cents.

Unfortunately my Giovanni Maciosa's book on tongues is in another location, but

I think the orange on the fur in that tongue region might represent some

stomach/spleen heat. As heat intensifies I believe the color may change from

yellow to orange to brown, & even black in more severe cases. I viewed a picture

in his book displaying a thick, white, cottage cheese-like coating on an

intensely red tongue. It was indicated as " dampness trapping hidden heat " . His

book is really fantastic!

 

Mike Eidson

 

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anne.crowley

Chinese Medicine

Monday, March 05, 2007 6:56 AM

[sPAM] Re: [sPAM] Re: Orange tongue coating, image and a

further question

 

 

Hugo:

 

I am not a TCM trained practitioner. I went to a 5 Element school and took

some TCM courses and passed a national exam on it. I do study it through CEU's.

 

Okay, my point. In the 5 E world you could access that she is a earth

constitutional type. You would clear the blocks - demons, aggressive energy,

pulse qualities, entry exit blocks, and just treat Earth SP and ST. The

philosphy is that she will get better, move to healing.

(I personally add more things, and some people get results by doing just this)

 

As you can see this is not as detailed as getting to the bottom of the orange

coating. So I guess what I am trying to say, is ask questions as you are doing

to be information. Then do what you know. Have a strong healing intention. Refer

her to a Western practitioner if she is not under some care (and you think she

needs to be seen). My main point is once you do the research, just be who you

are as a practitioner. You are already bringing her a lot.

 

Anne

 

P.S. I get cases a lot where I want to refer to someone who knows more than

me, e.g. herbalist. The patients refuse to drive 1.5 hrs to get to one, so I do

what I know and consult the herbalist.

 

 

> Seriously, this " orange " tongue coating concerns me, so let me run this idea

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> you people: I am most comfortable when I assess a patient and they have a

> presentation that makes sense - in other words, s & s that tie together nicely

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> an overall presentation that is self-consistent. This says to me that I

should

> not expect any surprises. On the other hand, when I have a presentation /

s & s

> that seems to be consistent but with one or (god-forbid) more " red-flags " I

feel

> uncertain. In my experience, when something seems to be " red-flagging " (i.e.

> " weird " or inconsistent), there is something more serious (or perhaps simply

> dramatic, like a " healing crisis " ) going on. Keeping in mind that an

> " inconsistent " presentation may simply be an artifact of my lack of skill at

> assessing, has anyone come to similar conclusions?

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> And thanks to everyone who has written in with ideas and suggestions, I am

still

> reading through them all.

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> Hugo

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> Pete Theisen <petetheisen

> Chinese Medicine

> Sunday, 4 March, 2007 1:23:16 PM

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> If it is not a stain I would be exploring a blood stagnation issue, most

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> > Mike I believe you are correct about the orange body colour - it is often

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> > connection to something consumed or diet. I remember reading somewhere in

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> > the past that orange tint on the sides of the tongue could represent blood

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