Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Pete Theisen wrote: > Rephrasing this by popular demand. > >If it is not a stain I would be exploring a blood stagnation issue, most >likely liver. She gets stressed and then her liver gets stuck. Is she > " clinically obese " ? No, she is slim, but with a good appetite (except in the mornings) and she eats plenty, including meat. And can I ask everyone to stop sabotaging my thread in the name of whatever, please? Seriously, this " orange " tongue coating concerns me, so let me run this idea by you people: I am most comfortable when I assess a patient and they have a presentation that makes sense - in other words, s & s that tie together nicely and an overall presentation that is self-consistent. This says to me that I should not expect any surprises. On the other hand, when I have a presentation / s & s that seems to be consistent but with one or (god-forbid) more " red-flags " I feel uncertain. In my experience, when something seems to be " red-flagging " (i.e. " weird " or inconsistent), there is something more serious (or perhaps simply dramatic, like a " healing crisis " ) going on. Keeping in mind that an " inconsistent " presentation may simply be an artifact of my lack of skill at assessing, has anyone come to similar conclusions? And thanks to everyone who has written in with ideas and suggestions, I am still reading through them all. Hugo Pete Theisen <petetheisen Chinese Medicine Sunday, 4 March, 2007 1:23:16 PM Re: [sPAM] Re: Orange tongue coating, image On Saturday 03 March 2007 4:17 pm, Hugo Ramiro wrote: Hi Hugo! Rephrasing this by popular demand. If it is not a stain I would be exploring a blood stagnation issue, most likely liver. She gets stressed and then her liver gets stuck. Is she " clinically obese " ? > Hi Mike and all, > Mike I believe you are correct about the orange body colour - it is often > associated with a liver blood deficiency. As I wrote to Pete, there does > seem to be a connection with the food that she's eating, and you are right, > as it shows in the photograph, it does tend to restrict itself to the > centre of the tongue, indicating a Spleen related issue. I am still > mystified by the particular colour of the tongue fur though, since the only > place I have ever heard of an orange tongue colour is on the tongue body, > versus the coating. Thanks, > Hugo > > From the location of the orange coating, I'd first suspect a possible > connection to something consumed or diet. I remember reading somewhere in > the past that orange tint on the sides of the tongue could represent blood > deficiency~ Mike Eidson -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete- theisen.com/ <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both; } #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px; font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; margin:0; } #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px; } #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both; margin:25px 0; white-space:nowrap; color:#666; text-align:right; } #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left; white-space:nowrap; } ..bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; padding:15px 0; } #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana; font-size:77%; border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px; } #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px; } #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%; font-family:Verdana; font-weight:bold; color:#333; text-transform:uppercase; } #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0; margin:2px 0; } #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none; clear:both; border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold; color:#ff7900; float:right; width:2em; text-align:right; padding-right:.5em; } #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold; } #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px; background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px; margin:0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square; padding:6px 0; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none; font-size:130%; } #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color:#eee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:0 8px; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial; font-weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font-size:100%; line-height:122%; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0; } o {font-size:0;} ..MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0; } #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%; } blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} ..replbq {margin:4;} --> _________ 24 FIFA World Cup tickets to be won with Mail http://uk.mail. 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Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 On Sunday 04 March 2007 10:32 pm, Hugo Ramiro wrote: > Pete Theisen wrote: > > Rephrasing this by popular demand. > > > >If it is not a stain I would be exploring a blood stagnation issue, most > >likely liver. She gets stressed and then her liver gets stuck. Is she > > " clinically obese " ? > > No, she is slim, but with a good appetite (except in the mornings) and she > eats plenty, including meat. Hi Hugo! There were four " f " signs, Female, Fertile, Forty and the one I can't say on this forum. I can't remember which doctor, but they were a set of circumstances leading to gallbladder problem. If she had been the " f " I can't say she would have had three but as it is she only has two. Same church, but different pew from the liver. Sorry if this is irrelevant, I am just brainstorming. Oh, that is now politically incorrect too? Wouldn't surprise me. > > And can I ask everyone to stop sabotaging my thread in the name of > whatever, please? > > > > Seriously, this " orange " tongue coating concerns me, so let me run this > idea by you people: I am most comfortable when I assess a patient and they > have a presentation that makes sense - in other words, s & s that tie > together nicely and an overall presentation that is self-consistent. This > says to me that I should not expect any surprises. On the other hand, when > I have a presentation / s & s that seems to be consistent but with one or > (god-forbid) more " red-flags " I feel uncertain. In my experience, when > something seems to be " red-flagging " (i.e. " weird " or inconsistent), there > is something more serious (or perhaps simply dramatic, like a " healing > crisis " ) going on. Keeping in mind that an " inconsistent " presentation may > simply be an artifact of my lack of skill at assessing, has anyone come to > similar conclusions? > > And thanks to everyone who has written in with ideas and suggestions, I am > still reading through them all. > > On Saturday 03 March 2007 4:17 pm, Hugo Ramiro wrote: > > > If it is not a stain I would be exploring a blood stagnation issue, most > > likely liver. She gets stressed and then her liver gets stuck. Is she > > " clinically obese " ? > > > Hi Mike and all, > > > > Mike I believe you are correct about the orange body colour - it is > > often > > > > associated with a liver blood deficiency. As I wrote to Pete, there does > > > > seem to be a connection with the food that she's eating, and you are > > right, > > > > as it shows in the photograph, it does tend to restrict itself to the > > > > centre of the tongue, indicating a Spleen related issue. I am still > > > > mystified by the particular colour of the tongue fur though, since the > > only > > > > place I have ever heard of an orange tongue colour is on the tongue body, > > > > versus the coating. Thanks, > > > > Hugo > > > > > > > > From the location of the orange coating, I'd first suspect a possible > > > > connection to something consumed or diet. I remember reading somewhere in > > > > the past that orange tint on the sides of the tongue could represent > > blood > > > > deficiency~ Mike Eidson -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Hugo: I am not a TCM trained practitioner. I went to a 5 Element school and took some TCM courses and passed a national exam on it. I do study it through CEU's. Okay, my point. In the 5 E world you could access that she is a earth constitutional type. You would clear the blocks - demons, aggressive energy, pulse qualities, entry exit blocks, and just treat Earth SP and ST. The philosphy is that she will get better, move to healing. (I personally add more things, and some people get results by doing just this) As you can see this is not as detailed as getting to the bottom of the orange coating. So I guess what I am trying to say, is ask questions as you are doing to be information. Then do what you know. Have a strong healing intention. Refer her to a Western practitioner if she is not under some care (and you think she needs to be seen). My main point is once you do the research, just be who you are as a practitioner. You are already bringing her a lot. Anne P.S. I get cases a lot where I want to refer to someone who knows more than me, e.g. herbalist. The patients refuse to drive 1.5 hrs to get to one, so I do what I know and consult the herbalist. > Seriously, this " orange " tongue coating concerns me, so let me run this idea by > you people: I am most comfortable when I assess a patient and they have a > presentation that makes sense - in other words, s & s that tie together nicely and > an overall presentation that is self-consistent. This says to me that I should > not expect any surprises. On the other hand, when I have a presentation / s & s > that seems to be consistent but with one or (god-forbid) more " red-flags " I feel > uncertain. In my experience, when something seems to be " red-flagging " (i.e. > " weird " or inconsistent), there is something more serious (or perhaps simply > dramatic, like a " healing crisis " ) going on. Keeping in mind that an > " inconsistent " presentation may simply be an artifact of my lack of skill at > assessing, has anyone come to similar conclusions? > > And thanks to everyone who has written in with ideas and suggestions, I am still > reading through them all. > > Hugo > > > Pete Theisen <petetheisen > Chinese Medicine > Sunday, 4 March, 2007 1:23:16 PM > Re: [sPAM] Re: Orange tongue coating, image > > > > > > > On Saturday 03 March 2007 4:17 pm, Hugo Ramiro wrote: > > > > Hi Hugo! > > > > Rephrasing this by popular demand. > > > > If it is not a stain I would be exploring a blood stagnation issue, most > > likely liver. She gets stressed and then her liver gets stuck. Is she > > " clinically obese " ? > > > > > Hi Mike and all, > > > Mike I believe you are correct about the orange body colour - it is often > > > associated with a liver blood deficiency. As I wrote to Pete, there does > > > seem to be a connection with the food that she's eating, and you are right, > > > as it shows in the photograph, it does tend to restrict itself to the > > > centre of the tongue, indicating a Spleen related issue. I am still > > > mystified by the particular colour of the tongue fur though, since the only > > > place I have ever heard of an orange tongue colour is on the tongue body, > > > versus the coating. Thanks, > > > Hugo > > > > > > From the location of the orange coating, I'd first suspect a possible > > > connection to something consumed or diet. I remember reading somewhere in > > > the past that orange tint on the sides of the tongue could represent blood > > > deficiency~ Mike Eidson > > -- > > Regards, > > > > Pete > > http://www.pete- theisen.com/ > > > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} > #ygrp-text{ > font-family:Georgia; > } > #ygrp-text p{ > margin:0 0 1em 0; > } > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > font-family:Arial; > clear:both; > } > #ygrp-vitnav{ > padding-top:10px; > font-family:Verdana; > font-size:77%; > margin:0; > } > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > padding:0 1px; > } > #ygrp-actbar{ > clear:both; > margin:25px 0; > white-space:nowrap; > color:#666; > text-align:right; > } > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > float:left; > white-space:nowrap; > } > .bld{font-weight:bold;} > #ygrp-grft{ > font-family:Verdana; > font-size:77%; > padding:15px 0; > } > #ygrp-ft{ > font-family:verdana; > font-size:77%; > border-top:1px solid #666; > padding:5px 0; > } > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > padding-bottom:10px; > } > > #ygrp-vital{ > background-color:#e0ecee; > margin-bottom:20px; > padding:2px 0 8px 8px; > } > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > font-size:77%; > font-family:Verdana; > font-weight:bold; > color:#333; > text-transform:uppercase; > } > #ygrp-vital ul{ > padding:0; > margin:2px 0; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > list-style-type:none; > clear:both; > border:1px solid #e0ecee; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > font-weight:bold; > color:#ff7900; > float:right; > width:2em; > text-align:right; > padding-right:.5em; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > font-weight:bold; > } > #ygrp-vital a { > text-decoration:none; > } > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline; > } > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > color:#999; > font-size:77%; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > padding:6px 13px; > background-color:#e0ecee; > margin-bottom:20px; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > padding:0 0 0 8px; > margin:0; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > list-style-type:square; > padding:6px 0; > font-size:77%; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > text-decoration:none; > font-size:130%; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > background-color:#eee; > margin-bottom:20px; > padding:0 8px; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > padding:8px 0; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > font-family:Arial; > font-weight:bold; > color:#628c2a; > font-size:100%; > line-height:122%; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > text-decoration:none; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > margin:0; > } > o {font-size:0;} > .MsoNormal { > margin:0 0 0 0; > } > #ygrp-text tt{ > font-size:120%; > } > blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} > .replbq {margin:4;} > --> > > > _________ > 24 FIFA World Cup tickets to be won with Mail http://uk.mail. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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