cupping and bleeding varicose veins and the external use of E Jiao (donkey-hide gelatin)?

February 19, 2007

I was taught by my teacher to soak 30 grams of E Jiao in 25 ml of Coca-Cola for

3 days

and then apply to skin.

JUST KIDDING!

doug

,

wrote:

>

> Dear friends, colleagues and teachers,

>

> I have 2 patients that I have been treating for varicose veins of different

etiologies, a

husband and wife team, both in their early 60s, his primary problem is type 2

diabetes

with a primary diagnosis of Kd and Sp Qi Xu, and with accompanying peripheral

neuropathy (which BTW has responded beautifully to herbs, acupuncture and CST).

Her

pattern is blood xu and damp heat in the LJ causing blood stasis (she

originally had a

slippery, thready and choppy pulse, primarily in the Kd yang pulse, which is now

just

slippery and thready).

>

> Here are my two questions: First, I am considering doing bleeding and

cupping on

them, but I am REALLY concerned with the possibility of infection from the cups.

I am also

considering the possibility of using only one set of cups per patient, to

prevent cross

infection. Forgetting about prions (which of course are a concern) how can you

properly

sterilize glass or plastic cups? It just seems to me to be unduly dangerous,

despite the

fact that in school there never was any concern. So by getting an individual set

of cups per

patient, it seems to be a reasonable way to go.

>

> Second, in Chen and Chen, under E Jiao, he lists in the section on Clinical

studies and

research:

>

> " Chronic ulceration of the legs: It was reported in one study of 24

patients that

chronic ulcerations of the legs recovered completely form topical treatment

with E Jiao

cream for 20 days. The cream was prepared by mixing 30 grams of E Jiao in 70

ml of

water and cooked until the preparation turned into paste. The daily protocol

was to

cleanse the affected area, apply the cream, then cover the area with gauze. The

procedure

was repeated daily until complete recovery was achieved. " Zhong Xi Yi Jie He Za

Zhi

(Journal of integrated Chinese and Western medicine) 1987;4:241.

>

> Has anyone heard of using E Jiao topically to specifically treat

varicosities or generally

as a skin cream, for one to " have skin as soft as a donkey! " (when treating blood

Xu,

specifically).

>

> http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/

>

February 19, 2007

Two fond rememberances of Coke as a kid: (Now remember, in the 50s, the formula

for Coca Cola was different than it is now) 1. When we wanted to get out of

school, there was a " tradition " to take 2 aspirin and drink a bottle of coke.

The result, instant fever. " Mom, I don't feel good, I think I have a fever. "

The fever would wear off in 3-4 hours.

Second, I had a 6th grade history teacher, Mr. Forgess, who was a great story

teller. He was in the navy during the Korean war, and as he tells it, they used

to keep their coke in big barrels on the ship. One time, he left an axe on top

of an open barrel for a minute, and suddenly a wave came alone and the axe fell

in the barrel. He wasn't about to stick his arm deep inside, so had to wait

until the barrel emptied, which took a day or two. When he went to retrieve the

axe, at the bottom of the barrel, all that was left was the wooden handle, the

metal was completely dissolved!

So, to continue your thought Doug, talk about a great medicine to " break up "

blood stasis?

All the best and to all of us Americans out there, Happy Washington's

birthday--I mean

president's day!

Yehuda

wrote:

I was taught by my teacher to soak 30 grams of E Jiao in 25 ml of

Coca-Cola for 3 days

and then apply to skin.

JUST KIDDING!

doug

,

wrote:

>

> Dear friends, colleagues and teachers,

>

> I have 2 patients that I have been treating for varicose veins of different

etiologies, a

husband and wife team, both in their early 60s, his primary problem is type 2

diabetes

with a primary diagnosis of Kd and Sp Qi Xu, and with accompanying peripheral

neuropathy (which BTW has responded beautifully to herbs, acupuncture and CST).

Her

pattern is blood xu and damp heat in the LJ causing blood stasis (she originally

had a

slippery, thready and choppy pulse, primarily in the Kd yang pulse, which is now

just

slippery and thready).

>

> Here are my two questions: First, I am considering doing bleeding and cupping

on

them, but I am REALLY concerned with the possibility of infection from the cups.

I am also

considering the possibility of using only one set of cups per patient, to

prevent cross

infection. Forgetting about prions (which of course are a concern) how can you

properly

sterilize glass or plastic cups? It just seems to me to be unduly dangerous,

despite the

fact that in school there never was any concern. So by getting an individual set

of cups per

patient, it seems to be a reasonable way to go.

>

> Second, in Chen and Chen, under E Jiao, he lists in the section on Clinical

studies and

research:

>

> " Chronic ulceration of the legs: It was reported in one study of 24 patients

that

chronic ulcerations of the legs recovered completely form topical treatment with

E Jiao

cream for 20 days. The cream was prepared by mixing 30 grams of E Jiao in 70 ml

of

water and cooked until the preparation turned into paste. The daily protocol was

to

cleanse the affected area, apply the cream, then cover the area with gauze. The

procedure

was repeated daily until complete recovery was achieved. " Zhong Xi Yi Jie He Za

Zhi

(Journal of integrated Chinese and Western medicine) 1987;4:241.

>

> Has anyone heard of using E Jiao topically to specifically treat varicosities

or generally

as a skin cream, for one to " have skin as soft as a donkey! " (when treating blood

Xu,

specifically).

>

> http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/

>

http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/

Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta.

February 19, 2007

I don't mean to rock the boat, but in my opinion, cola and soft

drinks are poisonous, whether sugared or artificially sweetened.

There is enough research out there to show the deleterious effects of

sodas and artificial sweeteners on health, especially children. Many

schools have banned cola and soft drink machines from their premises

because of this. If the multi-billion dollar advertising industry

was to suddenly stop selling this stuff, I think the intake of cola

drinks and sodas would decrease substantially.

On Feb 19, 2007, at 1:02 PM, yehuda frischman wrote:

> Two fond rememberances of Coke as a kid: (Now remember, in the 50s,

> the formula for Coca Cola was different than it is now) 1. When we

> wanted to get out of school, there was a " tradition " to take 2

> aspirin and drink a bottle of coke. The result, instant fever.

> " Mom, I don't feel good, I think I have a fever. " The fever would

> wear off in 3-4 hours.

>

> Second, I had a 6th grade history teacher, Mr. Forgess, who was a

> great story teller. He was in the navy during the Korean war, and

> as he tells it, they used to keep their coke in big barrels on the

> ship. One time, he left an axe on top of an open barrel for a

> minute, and suddenly a wave came alone and the axe fell in the

> barrel. He wasn't about to stick his arm deep inside, so had to

> wait until the barrel emptied, which took a day or two. When he

> went to retrieve the axe, at the bottom of the barrel, all that was

> left was the wooden handle, the metal was completely dissolved!

>

> So, to continue your thought Doug, talk about a great medicine to

> " break up " blood stasis?

>

> All the best and to all of us Americans out there, Happy

> Washington's birthday--I mean

> president's day!

>

> Yehuda

>

> wrote:

> I was taught by my teacher to soak 30 grams of E Jiao in 25 ml of

> Coca-Cola for 3 days

> and then apply to skin.

>

> JUST KIDDING!

>

> doug

>

> , yehuda frischman

> < wrote:

> >

> > Dear friends, colleagues and teachers,

> >

> > I have 2 patients that I have been treating for varicose veins of

> different etiologies, a

> husband and wife team, both in their early 60s, his primary problem

> is type 2 diabetes

> with a primary diagnosis of Kd and Sp Qi Xu, and with accompanying

> peripheral

> neuropathy (which BTW has responded beautifully to herbs,

> acupuncture and CST). Her

> pattern is blood xu and damp heat in the LJ causing blood stasis

> (she originally had a

> slippery, thready and choppy pulse, primarily in the Kd yang pulse,

> which is now just

> slippery and thready).

> >

> > Here are my two questions: First, I am considering doing bleeding

> and cupping on

> them, but I am REALLY concerned with the possibility of infection

> from the cups. I am also

> considering the possibility of using only one set of cups per

> patient, to prevent cross

> infection. Forgetting about prions (which of course are a concern)

> how can you properly

> sterilize glass or plastic cups? It just seems to me to be unduly

> dangerous, despite the

> fact that in school there never was any concern. So by getting an

> individual set of cups per

> patient, it seems to be a reasonable way to go.

> >

> > Second, in Chen and Chen, under E Jiao, he lists in the section

> on Clinical studies and

> research:

> >

> > " Chronic ulceration of the legs: It was reported in one study of

> 24 patients that

> chronic ulcerations of the legs recovered completely form topical

> treatment with E Jiao

> cream for 20 days. The cream was prepared by mixing 30 grams of E

> Jiao in 70 ml of

> water and cooked until the preparation turned into paste. The daily

> protocol was to

> cleanse the affected area, apply the cream, then cover the area

> with gauze. The procedure

> was repeated daily until complete recovery was achieved. " Zhong Xi

> Yi Jie He Za Zhi

> (Journal of integrated Chinese and Western medicine) 1987;4:241.

> >

> > Has anyone heard of using E Jiao topically to specifically treat

> varicosities or generally

> as a skin cream, for one to " have skin as soft as a donkey! " (when

> treating blood Xu,

> specifically).

> >

> > http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/

> >

>

> http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/

>

> Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta.

>

February 19, 2007

I only mentioned it for its benefits for a bad stomach whilst

travelling around Asia. When you're in countries such as this, there

is very little healthcare. It can be miles away, take all day to see

a doctor and you'll get some generic drugs. Coca cola can be a useful

tool. It's cheap and easy to get hold off.

I'm happy to hear about soft drinks being banned from schools. There

was a big campaign in the UK by a chef on the junk food dinners being

served to children in schools. After a public out cry it's improved a

lot. Discipline and exams have increased as a result.

Attilio

www.chinesemedicinetimes.com

, " "

<zrosenbe wrote:

>

> I don't mean to rock the boat, but in my opinion, cola and soft

> drinks are poisonous, whether sugared or artificially sweetened.

> There is enough research out there to show the deleterious effects

of

> sodas and artificial sweeteners on health, especially children.

Many

> schools have banned cola and soft drink machines from their

premises

> because of this. If the multi-billion dollar advertising industry

> was to suddenly stop selling this stuff, I think the intake of

cola

> drinks and sodas would decrease substantially.

>

> On Feb 19, 2007, at 1:02 PM, yehuda frischman wrote:

>

> > Two fond rememberances of Coke as a kid: (Now remember, in the

50s,

> > the formula for Coca Cola was different than it is now) 1. When

we

> > wanted to get out of school, there was a " tradition " to take 2

> > aspirin and drink a bottle of coke. The result, instant fever.

> > " Mom, I don't feel good, I think I have a fever. " The fever

would

> > wear off in 3-4 hours.

> >

> > Second, I had a 6th grade history teacher, Mr. Forgess, who was

a

> > great story teller. He was in the navy during the Korean war,

and

> > as he tells it, they used to keep their coke in big barrels on

the

> > ship. One time, he left an axe on top of an open barrel for a

> > minute, and suddenly a wave came alone and the axe fell in the

> > barrel. He wasn't about to stick his arm deep inside, so had to

> > wait until the barrel emptied, which took a day or two. When he

> > went to retrieve the axe, at the bottom of the barrel, all that

was

> > left was the wooden handle, the metal was completely dissolved!

> >

> > So, to continue your thought Doug, talk about a great medicine

to

> > " break up " blood stasis?

> >

> > All the best and to all of us Americans out there, Happy

> > Washington's birthday--I mean

> > president's day!

> >

> > Yehuda

> >

> > wrote:

> > I was taught by my teacher to soak 30 grams of E Jiao in 25 ml

of

> > Coca-Cola for 3 days

> > and then apply to skin.

> >

> > JUST KIDDING!

> >

> > doug

> >

> > , yehuda frischman

> > <@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear friends, colleagues and teachers,

> > >

> > > I have 2 patients that I have been treating for varicose veins

of

> > different etiologies, a

> > husband and wife team, both in their early 60s, his primary

problem

> > is type 2 diabetes

> > with a primary diagnosis of Kd and Sp Qi Xu, and with

accompanying

> > peripheral

> > neuropathy (which BTW has responded beautifully to herbs,

> > acupuncture and CST). Her

> > pattern is blood xu and damp heat in the LJ causing blood stasis

> > (she originally had a

> > slippery, thready and choppy pulse, primarily in the Kd yang

pulse,

> > which is now just

> > slippery and thready).

> > >

> > > Here are my two questions: First, I am considering doing

bleeding

> > and cupping on

> > them, but I am REALLY concerned with the possibility of

infection

> > from the cups. I am also

> > considering the possibility of using only one set of cups per

> > patient, to prevent cross

> > infection. Forgetting about prions (which of course are a

concern)

> > how can you properly

> > sterilize glass or plastic cups? It just seems to me to be

unduly

> > dangerous, despite the

> > fact that in school there never was any concern. So by getting

an

> > individual set of cups per

> > patient, it seems to be a reasonable way to go.

> > >

> > > Second, in Chen and Chen, under E Jiao, he lists in the

section

> > on Clinical studies and

> > research:

> > >

> > > " Chronic ulceration of the legs: It was reported in one study

of

> > 24 patients that

> > chronic ulcerations of the legs recovered completely form

topical

> > treatment with E Jiao

> > cream for 20 days. The cream was prepared by mixing 30 grams of

E

> > Jiao in 70 ml of

> > water and cooked until the preparation turned into paste. The

daily

> > protocol was to

> > cleanse the affected area, apply the cream, then cover the area

> > with gauze. The procedure

> > was repeated daily until complete recovery was achieved. " Zhong

Xi

> > Yi Jie He Za Zhi

> > (Journal of integrated Chinese and Western medicine) 1987;4:241.

> > >

> > > Has anyone heard of using E Jiao topically to specifically

treat

> > varicosities or generally

> > as a skin cream, for one to " have skin as soft as a donkey! "

(when

> > treating blood Xu,

> > specifically).

> > >

> > > http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/

> > >

> >

> > http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/

> >

> > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta.

> >

February 19, 2007

Dear friends, colleagues and teachers,

I have 2 patients that I have been treating for varicose veins of different

etiologies, a husband and wife team, both in their early 60s, his primary

problem is type 2 diabetes with a primary diagnosis of Kd and Sp Qi Xu, and with

accompanying peripheral neuropathy (which BTW has responded beautifully to

herbs, acupuncture and CST). Her pattern is blood xu and damp heat in the LJ

causing blood stasis (she originally had a slippery, thready and choppy pulse,

primarily in the Kd yang pulse, which is now just slippery and thready).

Here are my two questions: First, I am considering doing bleeding and

cupping on them, but I am REALLY concerned with the possibility of infection

from the cups. I am also considering the possibility of using only one set of

cups per patient, to prevent cross infection. Forgetting about prions (which of

course are a concern) how can you properly sterilize glass or plastic cups? It

just seems to me to be unduly dangerous, despite the fact that in school there

never was any concern. So by getting an individual set of cups per patient, it

seems to be a reasonable way to go.

Second, in Chen and Chen, under E Jiao, he lists in the section on Clinical

studies and research:

" Chronic ulceration of the legs: It was reported in one study of 24 patients

that chronic ulcerations of the legs recovered completely form topical

treatment with E Jiao cream for 20 days. The cream was prepared by mixing 30

grams of E Jiao in 70 ml of water and cooked until the preparation turned into

paste. The daily protocol was to cleanse the affected area, apply the cream,

then cover the area with gauze. The procedure was repeated daily until complete

recovery was achieved. " Zhong Xi Yi Jie He Za Zhi (Journal of integrated

Chinese and Western medicine) 1987;4:241.

Has anyone heard of using E Jiao topically to specifically treat varicosities

or generally as a skin cream, for one to " have skin as soft as a donkey! " (when

treating blood Xu, specifically).

http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/

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February 19, 2007

I sterilize cups in a bleach solution, the sort used to steralize babies feeding

bottles, after first washing them thoroughly with detergent to remove any

grease. I then store in sealed container until needed.

Angela

wrote:

Dear friends, colleagues and teachers,

I have 2 patients that I have been treating for varicose veins of different

etiologies, a husband and wife team, both in their early 60s, his primary

problem is type 2 diabetes with a primary diagnosis of Kd and Sp Qi Xu, and with

accompanying peripheral neuropathy (which BTW has responded beautifully to

herbs, acupuncture and CST). Her pattern is blood xu and damp heat in the LJ

causing blood stasis (she originally had a slippery, thready and choppy pulse,

primarily in the Kd yang pulse, which is now just slippery and thready).

Here are my two questions: First, I am considering doing bleeding and cupping on

them, but I am REALLY concerned with the possibility of infection from the cups.

I am also considering the possibility of using only one set of cups per patient,

to prevent cross infection. Forgetting about prions (which of course are a

concern) how can you properly sterilize glass or plastic cups? It just seems to

me to be unduly dangerous, despite the fact that in school there never was any

concern. So by getting an individual set of cups per patient, it seems to be a

reasonable way to go.

Second, in Chen and Chen, under E Jiao, he lists in the section on Clinical

studies and research:

" Chronic ulceration of the legs: It was reported in one study of 24 patients

that chronic ulcerations of the legs recovered completely form topical treatment

with E Jiao cream for 20 days. The cream was prepared by mixing 30 grams of E

Jiao in 70 ml of water and cooked until the preparation turned into paste. The

daily protocol was to cleanse the affected area, apply the cream, then cover the

area with gauze. The procedure was repeated daily until complete recovery was

achieved. " Zhong Xi Yi Jie He Za Zhi (Journal of integrated Chinese and Western

medicine) 1987;4:241.

Has anyone heard of using E Jiao topically to specifically treat varicosities or

generally as a skin cream, for one to " have skin as soft as a donkey! " (when

treating blood Xu, specifically).

http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/

Be a PS3 game guru.

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February 19, 2007

Are you referring to glass, plastic or both kinds of cups?

Angela Aldridge <angela_aldridge wrote: I sterilize cups

in a bleach solution, the sort used to steralize babies feeding bottles, after

first washing them thoroughly with detergent to remove any grease. I then store

in sealed container until needed.