Groin & Testicular pain

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Hello,

 

I have a patient with pain in the groin and testicles.

The pain is usually dull, but certain movements can cause a sharper pain.

Pain usually manifests if have a period of inacivity, eg., lying down, or

driving a car for long distances.

 

Doctor says it is probably due to inflammation of prostate (non bacteria

protatitis). Scanning etc., does not indicate cancer of eithr prostate or

tsticles, although there are some some cysts in the testicls which the doctor

says are within normalcy and are not cancerous.

 

Qustions:-

1) What is your diagnosis? I ould have put down to Liver Qi Stagnation at th

groin.

2) How wopuld you treat? At the moment, I use a combination of massage and

acupuncture. Points:- LV-33, LV-8, SP-6 Groin and testicular massage

with mdeicated cream.

3) What herbs or formula ould you use for groin pain due to stagnation.

 

Thanks a lot.

 

John Chow

Melbourne, Australia

 

 

 

 

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Hi John,

 

I have had a couple of patients with the same symptoms you report. Both of

them have had spinal nerve impingement from vertebral disk problems. I would

send him for x-rays or to be evaluated by a chiropractor before assuming it's

simple qi stagnation, particularly since his symptoms are worse in specific

positions. This is typical of nerve impingement.

 

 

John Chow <vajra_master wrote:

Hello,

 

I have a patient with pain in the groin and testicles.

The pain is usually dull, but certain movements can cause a sharper pain.

Pain usually manifests if have a period of inacivity, eg., lying down, or

driving a car for long distances.

 

Doctor says it is probably due to inflammation of prostate (non bacteria

protatitis). Scanning etc., does not indicate cancer of eithr prostate or

tsticles, although there are some some cysts in the testicls which the doctor

says are within normalcy and are not cancerous.

 

Qustions:-

1) What is your diagnosis? I ould have put down to Liver Qi Stagnation at th

groin.

2) How wopuld you treat? At the moment, I use a combination of massage and

acupuncture. Points:- LV-33, LV-8, SP-6 Groin and testicular massage with

mdeicated cream.

3) What herbs or formula ould you use for groin pain due to stagnation.

 

Thanks a lot.

 

John Chow

Melbourne, Australia

 

 

 

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Seems to involve blood stasis as well (possible varicose veins, sharp pain,

build up of pain with inactivity). I would stick with focusing on the LV

channel, Ligou LV5 is a great point for this. I would also look into

confluent pairs, perhaps Gongsun SP4 and Neiguan P6. Blood moving herbs

may also help (Niu xi, - ones that enter the LV channel and lower parts of

the body) This is all speculative of coarse with out tongue, pulse and more

info. Hope it helps.

 

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Hi Andrea and all,

This is an interesting topic for me, since I usually take the position that

while imaging is very useful and necessary in many cases, what is imaged is not

what is " actually " going on. I generally, when I see impingement reported, do

not assume that the problem is one of simple impingement, but rather that it is

a branch effect of a " real " reason, for example, qi stagnation. In my

experience, the only cases where the impingement is primary are in cases of

accidents / physical injury.

 

Thoughts?

Hugo

 

 

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Chinese Medicine

Thursday, 15 February, 2007 9:55:47 AM

Re: Groin & Testicular pain

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi John,

 

 

 

I have had a couple of patients with the same symptoms you report. Both of

them have had spinal nerve impingement from vertebral disk problems. I would

send him for x-rays or to be evaluated by a chiropractor before assuming it's

simple qi stagnation, particularly since his symptoms are worse in specific

positions. This is typical of nerve impingement.

 

 

 

 

 

 

John Chow <vajra_master@ > wrote:

 

Hello,

 

 

 

I have a patient with pain in the groin and testicles.

 

The pain is usually dull, but certain movements can cause a sharper pain.

 

Pain usually manifests if have a period of inacivity, eg., lying down, or

driving a car for long distances.

 

 

 

Doctor says it is probably due to inflammation of prostate (non bacteria

protatitis). Scanning etc., does not indicate cancer of eithr prostate or

tsticles, although there are some some cysts in the testicls which the doctor

says are within normalcy and are not cancerous.

 

 

 

Qustions:-

 

1) What is your diagnosis? I ould have put down to Liver Qi Stagnation at th

groin.

 

2) How wopuld you treat? At the moment, I use a combination of massage and

acupuncture. Points:- LV-33, LV-8, SP-6 Groin and testicular massage with

mdeicated cream.

 

3) What herbs or formula ould you use for groin pain due to stagnation.

 

 

 

Thanks a lot.

 

 

 

John Chow

 

Melbourne, Australia

 

 

 

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Hi John, replexively I would say the following (and so please take these ideas

only as ideas):

Assessment:

Cysts in the testicles often have to do with qi /fluid stagnation, qi

deficiency, yang deficiency, cold in the related channels and so on.

Pain of the sort you described (though we need more information) could be

deficiency, cold, qi stagnation, fluid stagnation, blood stasis, or maybe heat.

We probably need mroe information on his tongue, pulse, as well as his body

temperature. I want to know from the patient if he ever subjectively

(internally) perceives cold or emptiness in the lower tantien or the genital

area, or if he ever perceives objectively (externally via touching) that his

scrotum, penis, or lower abdomen are cold or swollen. Time of day or night for

these s & s would be good too.

His sexual function and habits might be very relevant, as well as his diet and

sleeping habits.

 

Treatment

I might focus on K and Liv channels. Liv 5 and 6 are especially useful, moxa

plus qi sensation (from needle or moxa) radiating along the channel usually

precede good effect. K points will vary based on the rest of his presentation.

The patient may also want to warm the area with his own qi. Cupping his

testicles in the palms of his hands, and relaxing, sending qi to the area if

very effective for increasing blood circulation to the scrotum / testicles and I

find this exercise to be necessary, especially for cases where cysts / swelling

or excessive firmness is present. Keep in mind that these cases are usually

based in deficiency, and therefore it is imperative that the patient rest more

and not engage in depleting activities, whether sexual or otherwise.

 

Hope that was helpful,

Hugo

 

 

John Chow <vajra_master

 

 

 

Doctor says it is probably due to inflammation of prostate (non bacteria

protatitis). Scanning etc., does not indicate cancer of eithr prostate or

tsticles, although there are some some cysts in the testicls which the doctor

says are within normalcy and are not cancerous.

 

 

 

Qustions:-

 

1) What is your diagnosis? I ould have put down to Liver Qi Stagnation at th

groin.

 

2) How wopuld you treat? At the moment, I use a combination of massage and

acupuncture. Points:- LV-33, LV-8, SP-6 Groin and testicular massage

with mdeicated cream.

 

3) What herbs or formula ould you use for groin pain due to stagnation.

 

 

 

Thanks a lot.

 

 

 

John Chow

 

Melbourne, Australia

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Hugo,

 

You may be right. However, both of my patients had serious physical injuries

to the lower back; one of them was actually crushed between a truck and some

structure. Certainly stagnation of both qi and blood is part of the scenario

following such injuries. I have gotten better results treating huatuojiaji

points than with treatments aimed solely at relieving stagnation, though.

 

Andrea Beth

 

Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote:

Hi Andrea and all,

This is an interesting topic for me, since I usually take the position that

while imaging is very useful and necessary in many cases, what is imaged is not

what is " actually " going on. I generally, when I see impingement reported, do

not assume that the problem is one of simple impingement, but rather that it is

a branch effect of a " real " reason, for example, qi stagnation. In my

experience, the only cases where the impingement is primary are in cases of

accidents / physical injury.

 

Thoughts?

Hugo

 

 

<

Chinese Medicine

Thursday, 15 February, 2007 9:55:47 AM

Re: Groin & Testicular pain

 

Hi John,

 

I have had a couple of patients with the same symptoms you report. Both of them

have had spinal nerve impingement from vertebral disk problems. I would send him

for x-rays or to be evaluated by a chiropractor before assuming it's simple qi

stagnation, particularly since his symptoms are worse in specific positions.

This is typical of nerve impingement.

 

 

 

John Chow <vajra_master@ > wrote:

 

Hello,

 

I have a patient with pain in the groin and testicles.

 

The pain is usually dull, but certain movements can cause a sharper pain.

 

Pain usually manifests if have a period of inacivity, eg., lying down, or

driving a car for long distances.

 

Doctor says it is probably due to inflammation of prostate (non bacteria

protatitis). Scanning etc., does not indicate cancer of eithr prostate or

tsticles, although there are some some cysts in the testicls which the doctor

says are within normalcy and are not cancerous.

 

Qustions:-

 

1) What is your diagnosis? I ould have put down to Liver Qi Stagnation at th

groin.

 

2) How wopuld you treat? At the moment, I use a combination of massage and

acupuncture. Points:- LV-33, LV-8, SP-6 Groin and testicular massage with

mdeicated cream.

 

3) What herbs or formula ould you use for groin pain due to stagnation.

 

Thanks a lot.

 

John Chow

 

Melbourne, Australia

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Andrea. Now I'm confused. You refer to two patients who suffered physical

injury; they clearly belong to the second category that I mentioned - " physical

injury " . Then you state that you have gotten better results with the HTJJ points

- do you refer to your accident patients or others as well. I agree that HTJJ

are immensely useful points, and I do use them often.

Thank you,

Hugo

 

 

<

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Hugo,

 

 

 

You may be right. However, both of my patients had serious physical injuries

to the lower back; one of them was actually crushed between a truck and some

structure. Certainly stagnation of both qi and blood is part of the scenario

following such injuries. I have gotten better results treating huatuojiaji

points than with treatments aimed solely at relieving stagnation, though.

 

 

 

Andrea Beth

 

 

Hugo:

In my experience, the only cases where the impingement is primary are in cases

of accidents / physical injury.

 

 

 

Thoughts?

 

Hugo

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Hugo,

 

No need to be confused. First, my name is Andrea Beth. Second, I am

referring to only 2 patients. They both had very old physical injuries, and I

used huato's on both. That's all I did. No UB-17 and LI-4 and LIV-3, and no

herbs to treat stagnation; in fact, no herbs at all. This is despite the fact

that old, poorly-healed injuries usually involve a great deal of stagnation, as

did theirs.

 

 

Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote:

Hi Andrea. Now I'm confused. You refer to two patients who suffered

physical injury; they clearly belong to the second category that I mentioned -

" physical injury " . Then you state that you have gotten better results with the

HTJJ points - do you refer to your accident patients or others as well. I agree

that HTJJ are immensely useful points, and I do use them often.

Thank you,

Hugo

 

 

<

 

Hi Hugo,

 

You may be right. However, both of my patients had serious physical injuries to

the lower back; one of them was actually crushed between a truck and some

structure. Certainly stagnation of both qi and blood is part of the scenario

following such injuries. I have gotten better results treating huatuojiaji

points than with treatments aimed solely at relieving stagnation, though.

 

Andrea Beth

 

Hugo:

In my experience, the only cases where the impingement is primary are in cases

of accidents / physical injury.

 

Thoughts?

 

Hugo

 

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[Guest guest]

One of the signs of lumbar facet joint pathology is pain radiating

into the groin. I don't think it would affect the testicles, but it

is worth keeping in mind. Also there is a great chinese patent

medicine for testicular pain due to stagnation, I just can't remember

the name. I think it is based on the formular Ju he Wan. Does anybody

know the name of the patent?- Ken Cherman, L.Ac.

 

 

Chinese Medicine , Andrea Beth

Damsky < wrote:

>

> Hi John,

>

> I have had a couple of patients with the same symptoms you

report. Both of them have had spinal nerve impingement from

vertebral disk problems. I would send him for x-rays or to be

evaluated by a chiropractor before assuming it's simple qi

stagnation, particularly since his symptoms are worse in specific

positions. This is typical of nerve impingement.

>

>

>

> John Chow <vajra_master wrote:

> Hello,

>

> I have a patient with pain in the groin and testicles.

> The pain is usually dull, but certain movements can cause a sharper

pain.

> Pain usually manifests if have a period of inacivity, eg., lying

down, or driving a car for long distances.

>

> Doctor says it is probably due to inflammation of prostate (non

bacteria protatitis). Scanning etc., does not indicate cancer of

eithr prostate or tsticles, although there are some some cysts in the

testicls which the doctor says are within normalcy and are not

cancerous.

>

> Qustions:-

> 1) What is your diagnosis? I ould have put down to Liver Qi

Stagnation at th groin.

> 2) How wopuld you treat? At the moment, I use a combination of

massage and acupuncture. Points:- LV-33, LV-8, SP-6 Groin and

testicular massage with mdeicated cream.

> 3) What herbs or formula ould you use for groin pain due to

stagnation.

>

> Thanks a lot.

>

> John Chow

> Melbourne, Australia

>

>

>

> The all-new Mail goes wherever you go - free your email

address from your Internet provider.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Actually the most likely referred pain to testicles from musculoskeletal

problems is T-12 disc. The iliolumbar ligament refers to the groin. Facets are

unlikely to refer to testicles

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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asvassah

Chinese Medicine

Thursday, February 15, 2007 11:01 PM

Re: Groin & Testicular pain

 

 

One of the signs of lumbar facet joint pathology is pain radiating

into the groin. I don't think it would affect the testicles, but it

is worth keeping in mind. Also there is a great chinese patent

medicine for testicular pain due to stagnation, I just can't remember

the name. I think it is based on the formular Ju he Wan. Does anybody

know the name of the patent?- Ken Cherman, L.Ac.

 

Chinese Medicine , Andrea Beth

Damsky < wrote:

>

> Hi John,

>

> I have had a couple of patients with the same symptoms you

report. Both of them have had spinal nerve impingement from

vertebral disk problems. I would send him for x-rays or to be

evaluated by a chiropractor before assuming it's simple qi

stagnation, particularly since his symptoms are worse in specific

positions. This is typical of nerve impingement.

>

>

>

> John Chow <vajra_master wrote:

> Hello,

>

> I have a patient with pain in the groin and testicles.

> The pain is usually dull, but certain movements can cause a sharper

pain.

> Pain usually manifests if have a period of inacivity, eg., lying

down, or driving a car for long distances.

>

> Doctor says it is probably due to inflammation of prostate (non

bacteria protatitis). Scanning etc., does not indicate cancer of

eithr prostate or tsticles, although there are some some cysts in the

testicls which the doctor says are within normalcy and are not

cancerous.

>

> Qustions:-

> 1) What is your diagnosis? I ould have put down to Liver Qi

Stagnation at th groin.

> 2) How wopuld you treat? At the moment, I use a combination of

massage and acupuncture. Points:- LV-33, LV-8, SP-6 Groin and

testicular massage with mdeicated cream.

> 3) What herbs or formula ould you use for groin pain due to

stagnation.

>

> Thanks a lot.

>

> John Chow

> Melbourne, Australia

>

>

>

> The all-new Mail goes wherever you go - free your email

address from your Internet provider.

>

>

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Re: Re: Groin & Testicular pain

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> Actually the most likely referred pain to testicles from

> musculoskeletal problems is T-12 disc. The iliolumbar ligament refers

> to the groin. Facets are unlikely to refer to testicles

>

 

 

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I have a senior patient (age 55) who suffered a kick to the groin over 15

years ago. He has a non-descending testicle on the left side. His MD told

him not o worry about it. His health is otherwise good. He's tried some

Homeopathy, which actually does have this symptom listed in a great many

manners.. There are acupuncture protocols but I was looking for something

herbal. Any suggestions.

 

Ed Kasper LAc.

Santa Cruz, CA