Hepatitis C -Traditional Jewish therapy performed [Ethical Issues]

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On 2/13/07, wrote:

 

Yehuda replied:

> Forgive me if I offend your humane sense of respect for all livings

> things. I truly share it. Please understand that holding the bird's

> bottom firmly against the umbilicus does not mean squeezing it,

> handling it roughly, or causing it pain through its handling,

> including internal organ rupture. The point is to create a firm

> vacuum, which doesn't require undue stress on the bird. Once the

> vacuum is created, the process is fairly quick; the bird chokes and

> the patient gets better. When the proper suction is not created, it is

> clear that, no matter how tightly the bird is pressed down (obviously

> without malevolent intent), it neither chokes nor panics.

 

 

> It is an important philosophical question as to whether a bird or

> other living being should be used to restore health. The Torah's

> perspective is that man is qualitatively different and higher than

> other living creatures, and any creature may be used to sustain and

> improve the quality of human life. However, this comes with the caveat

> that man be ever aware and in awe of his role as steward of the planet

> showing the highest respect for all living creatures. Included in that

> imperative is the severe prohibition of tearing a limb from a living

> creature or causing it unnecessary pain (the case of the doves would

> be considered necessary pain, as they are giving their lives to save a

> life or improve the quality of life for a sick human being). This

> prohibition of causing unnecessary pain to creature is one of the 7

> Noahide commandments that all mankind is viewed by the Torah as being

> required to observe.

 

 

 

 

> I wonder if we could discuss the ethics of using animal meds. as a

> vegan i am largely opposed to this practice. however, i do hear the

> argument about alieviating human suffering. still, as a vegan, all life

> forms are equal: the cockroach's life is as important as the cow, dog,

> lion or human. so i don't buy that its ok to purposefully harm, cause

> suffering/kill another life form just to allieviate human suffering.

>

 

 

 

(btw: i wrestle about using bait traps, and i don't kill spiders in the

> house). in clinic, i mostly us vegan meds. shells and long gu seem ok to

> me (but maybe i should rethink the shells?). circadae is a molting, so that

> seems ok. feces seem ok: nothing was harmed (i generally will refrain

> from mentioning the addition to patients, but maybe i should rethink that).

> but the others i have inherited from a previous, non vegan practitioner. i

> use them sparingly, if at all, and debate the necc. with each use. (and i do

> clear it with patients before adding to px). i don't believe i have

> personally ordered any bugs/critters for my pharmacy.

>

 

 

clearly non-vegans don't have these sorts of reservations. i guess the crux

of the dilemma is whether one considers humans needs more valuable than

other life forms, or do all life forms have an equal right to live and die

in peace? to we have a moral/ethical right to cause harm/suffering to

another life form in order to benefit humans?

 

and then there is the suffering issue: is it really necc. to cause suffering

of another being to benefit humans? is the condition causing so much human

suffering that is justifies harming, causing pain to, killing another life

form? is there another remedy that would work that would not harm another

life form?

 

i hear what yehuda is saying , according to jewish law and the Torah. i am

wondering about other perspectives on this philosophical/ethical dilemma.

 

i do realize this is a can of worms, and could incite an emo debate. this

is not my intention. i would appreciate an intellegent, open, respectful

discussion on the matter.

 

kath_._,___

 

 

 

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Yehuda and all,

 

What does the word " segula " mean? I'm Jewish, and seem to remember hearing it

in a prayer, but don't know the translation. And what does it mean in the

context of that prayer, if anyone knows which one I'm talking about? The phrase

in the prayer is " am segula " .

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

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Thursday, February 15, 2007 4:51 PM

Re: Hepatitis C -Traditional Jewish therapy performed [Ethical

Issues]

 

 

Yehuda and all,

 

What does the word " segula " mean? I'm Jewish, and seem to remember hearing it

in a prayer, but don't know the translation. And what does it mean in the

context of that prayer, if anyone knows which one I'm talking about? The phrase

in the prayer is " am segula " .

 

Thanks,

 

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Thank you!

 

Andrea Beth

 

Ben-Yakir <benyakir wrote:

=positive quality, useful means, treasure.

Dr. Sagiv Ben-Yakir

BSC DVM(in honor) MRCVS CVA(IVAS)

benyakir

 

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Chinese Medicine

Thursday, February 15, 2007 4:51 PM

Re: Hepatitis C -Traditional Jewish therapy performed [Ethical

Issues]

 

Yehuda and all,

 

What does the word " segula " mean? I'm Jewish, and seem to remember hearing it in

a prayer, but don't know the translation. And what does it mean in the context

of that prayer, if anyone knows which one I'm talking about? The phrase in the

prayer is " am segula " .

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

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